3 Mar
2014
3 Mar
'14
10:41 p.m.
Hello all,
This is NOT a complain, just a question. While I'm working with a perfectly
working Wheezy + TDE, I've had the curiosity to install "Siduction", a
rolling distribution based on SID.
I've tried to install Trinity Desktop from the nightly builds (using jessie as
target distribution). desktop-base-trinity installed correctly, but
kde-trinity depends tde-trinity taht won't be installed.
My question: does this mean that Trinity and SID are incompatible (which I
would understand, given that it's impossible - and makes little sense -to
provide compatible packages) or is it one of these situations where packages
are just being (re)created for Jessie and I should try it later. ANd if so
how can I know when such a situation occurs?
Siduction is not interesting if I can't get a sensible desktop...
Regards,
Thierry
3 Mar
3 Mar
11:34 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] TDE on SID
Hello all,
This is NOT a complain, just a question. While I'm working with a
perfectly
working Wheezy + TDE, I've had the curiosity to install "Siduction", a
rolling distribution based on SID.
I've tried to install Trinity Desktop from the nightly builds (using
jessie as
target distribution). desktop-base-trinity installed correctly, but
kde-trinity depends tde-trinity taht won't be installed.
My question: does this mean that Trinity and SID are incompatible (which I
would understand, given that it's impossible - and makes little sense -to
provide compatible packages) or is it one of these situations where
packages
are just being (re)created for Jessie and I should try it later. ANd if so
how can I know when such a situation occurs?
Siduction is not interesting if I can't get a sensible desktop...
Regards,
Thierry
Packages are being rebuilt. Debian stopped providing certain package
archive index files in January; this was not caught until recently when
all Jessie builds started failing. Now that the Jessie archive is up to
date, the build farm is rebuilding all TDE Jessie packages.
Tim
11:59 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] TDE on SID
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Timothy Pearson
<kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
... Debian stopped providing certain package
archive index files in January; this was not caught until recently when
all Jessie builds started failing.
As nice as the "Testing" branch might be, it cannot be fully trusted.
Even though Debian Testing is more stable than some "stable"
distributions out there, it does change both randomly and severely.
I love it. Such wonderful chaos!
(which is why I've run Sid, and Stable)
Curt-
--
The secret of happiness is freedom,
and the secret of freedom is courage.
- Thucydides
4 Mar
4 Mar
6:44 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] TDE on SID
On Tuesday 04 March 2014 00.59:18 Curt Howland wrote:
As nice as the "Testing" branch might be, it
cannot be fully trusted.
Even though Debian Testing is more stable than some "stable"
distributions out there, it does change both randomly and severely.
I love it. Such wonderful chaos!
(which is why I've run Sid, and Stable)
Curt-
I'm perfectly aware of this, this is also why I run Wheezy as my
"production"
system (although I had to get a backport kernel because my machine has a
haswell mainboard).
But I wanted to give it a try and its surprisingly stable so far (although I
have to work with KDE 4 that only confirms why I choose Trinity).
Thierry
1:20 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] TDE on SID
My main system is wheezy but I always maintain a sid install also.
The problem with TDE here has been the core TDE components depend on a
specific version of binutils.
At the moment binutils is the same as jessie so TDE should be
installable in sid. Otherwise you need to pin binutils (and other
associated packages) to jessie versions.
re siduction: very experienced dev and support team (but that doesn't
extend to TDE)
David
12:13 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Patches
Hi,
We have a trinity-devel mailing list where development occurs, as well as a
bug tracker where most of the patches are held. Patches can also be mailed
directly to the devel list (though it's not encouraged)
checkout
http://trinitydesktop.org/development.php
On 3 March 2014 19:09, Tini <trin(a)telekon.org> wrote:
How does one add the patches to TDE?
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5 Mar
8:41 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Patches
I meant "how does one download the patches from this page
(http://trinitydesktop.org/patches/) and install them on their
current setup?"
Not submit a patch.
--- Original Message ---
From: Calvin Morrison <mutantturkey(a)gmail.com>
To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Patches
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014
Hi,
We have a trinity-devel mailing list where development occurs, as well as a
bug tracker where most of the patches are held. Patches can also be mailed
directly to the devel list (though it's not encouraged)
checkout
http://trinitydesktop.org/development.php
On 3 March 2014 19:09, Tini <trin(a)telekon.org> wrote:
How does one add the patches to TDE?
10:09 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Patches
On Wednesday 05 of March 2014 21:41:31 Tini wrote:
I meant "how does one download the patches from
this page
(http://trinitydesktop.org/patches/) and install them on their
current setup?"
Not submit a patch.
I assume you care about the stable branch v3.5.13-sru? Because if you cared
about development branch (nightly-builds), then you instead of the patch uses
the current git tree.
To use the patch on stable branch may be necessary to backport patch. But it
can be a bit challenging.
Please, can you be more specific?
--
Slavek
6 Mar
6 Mar
2:07 p.m.
New subject: Two Errors on the "Kubuntu Precise" LiveCD
I'm thinking of installing "TDE-Kubuntu"
(http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/cdimages/kubuntu/precise/) but there
are two errors on the LiveCD:
Error 1:
1. [right click on desktop] >> Configure Desktop >> Behavior >> [uncheck
"Show Tooltips"] [now click "Apply"] the window will crash and any
changes are not recorded.
---
Error 2:
2. [click on "My Computer"] >> [click on any partition] and the error
popup reads:
"Permissions denied<p>please insure that<br>..." etc.
As you can see, the HTML code is visible in the popup message.
Will both of these errors be fixed?
8 Apr
8 Apr
2:43 p.m.
New subject: Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
Does anyone know what was the last version of Kubuntu to be
shipped with kDE3?
I'm trying to locate the version that came just before the jump
to KDE4 several years ago.
2:48 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
ject: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
Does anyone know what was the last version of Kubuntu to be
shipped with kDE3?
I'm trying to locate the version that came just before the jump
to KDE4 several years ago.
I'd say it is between 8.xx and 10.xx.
Timothy Pearson is the best person to answer this one, but here is a link to 10.10
maverick:
http://trinity.motivewellbeing.org/cdimages/kubuntu/maverick/
Thank you!
-Alexandre
4:18 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
On Tuesday 08 April 2014 16:43, Tini wrote:
Does anyone know what was the last version of Kubuntu
to be
shipped with kDE3?
I'm trying to locate the version that came just before the jump
to KDE4 several years ago.
Hi Tim.
Hardy 8.04 which I have booted up at the moment. Has KDE 3.5.10
Intrepid 8.10 which I also still have has KDE4
Best,
Nigel.
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New subject: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
Thanx for the news!
Is it possible to run all modern software/hardware under Hardy 8.04?
(IE, widescreen monitors, firefox, mkv files, etc?)
--- Original Message ---
From: Nigel Henry <fizzog.z9m23(a)orange.fr>
To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 18:18:27 +0200
On Tuesday 08 April 2014 16:43, Tini wrote:
Does anyone know what was the last version of Kubuntu
to be
shipped with kDE3?
I'm trying to locate the version that came just before the jump
to KDE4 several years ago.
Hardy 8.04 which I have booted up at the moment. Has KDE 3.5.10
Intrepid 8.10 which I also still have has KDE4
Best,
Nigel.
4:32 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
On Tuesday 08 April 2014 17:28:12 Tini wrote:
Is it possible to run all modern software/hardware
under Hardy
8.04? (IE, widescreen monitors, firefox, mkv files, etc?)
Probably not. It was 6 years ago. Hence TDE!!
Lisi
5:45 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
On Tuesday 08 April 2014 18:28, Tini wrote:
Thanx for the news!
Is it possible to run all modern software/hardware under Hardy 8.04?
(IE, widescreen monitors, firefox, mkv files, etc?)
It will do widescreen monitors, but that will also be dependent on your video
card. With my Rage 128 Pro card the Acer 19" Widescreen (1366 x 768) says
it's doing that, but according to the xorg log it''s doing 1280 x 768, but
that's about as good as it will get for a 1366 x 768 monitor.
Firefox is stuck at 3.6.17
Opera won't get further than 12.02 due to the version of libc6
And as Lisi says there are newer versions of apps that won't work on it due to
needing newer library versions.
I must say that I also have Xubuntu Lucid 10.04 installed with TDE 3.5.13.2
which works fine, and also Xubuntu Precise 12.04 with TDE 3.5.13.2
Just covering myself so it doesn't look like I'm plugging older distros. I'm
still using Hardy on a daily basis mainly because there is a bunch of stuff
on it that I had to build from source, linuxsampler for example so that it
will play .sfx files. And you don't want to know how old the Fedora version
is that I'm emailing from.
Nigel.
7:14 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
I'm considering switching distros because of the frequent problems
with software suddenly not working, luckily I don't have many apps
to worry over.
My 5 major concerns are:
1. Kaffeine (the 0.8 version that actually worked)
2. Audacity
3. AVI Demux (the old version that worked correctly)
4. WINE (1.4.1 worked with my programs)
5. Amarok
Thnx for the update.
--- Original Message ---
From: Nigel Henry <fizzog.z9m23(a)orange.fr>
To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
On Tuesday 08 April 2014 18:28, Tini wrote:
Is it possible to run all modern software/hardware
under Hardy 8.04?
(IE, widescreen monitors, firefox, mkv files, etc?)
It will do widescreen monitors, but that will also be dependent on your video card. With
my Rage 128 Pro card the Acer 19" Widescreen (1366 x 768) says it's doing that,
but according to the xorg log it's doing 1280 x 768, but that's about as good as
it will get for a 1366 x 768 monitor.
Firefox is stuck at 3.6.17
Opera won't get further than 12.02 due to the version of libc6.
And as Lisi says there are newer versions of apps that won't work on it
due to needing newer library versions.
I must say that I also have Xubuntu Lucid 10.04 installed with TDE 3.5.13.2 which works
fine, and also Xubuntu Precise 12.04 with TDE 3.5.13.2
Nigel.
9 Apr
9 Apr
12:25 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
Mint 15 is Ubuntu 13.04/Raring based and can use all the Raring repos
including the ones for Trinity. Trinity installed and runs fine on Mint 15.
I just checked in synaptic that all the packages on your list are available,
including wine 1.4.1. I got best results from starting with the Mate DE
version of Mint 15 and leaving most of Mate/Gnome installed. The result
is fully up to date on media and sound support with Firefox 20.0.
Another good option might be Ubuntu Studio 12.04 with Trinity
installed. I haven't
tried this yet, but it'll be the next thing I do. Trinity works fine
on standard 12.04
but I'm missing something needed to make the sound work. 12.04 uses wine 1.4,
and so far that's been as good as wine 1.4.1.
On 4/8/14, Tini <trin(a)telekon.org> wrote:
I'm considering switching distros because of the
frequent problems
with software suddenly not working, luckily I don't have many apps
to worry over.
My 5 major concerns are:
1. Kaffeine (the 0.8 version that actually worked)
2. Audacity
3. AVI Demux (the old version that worked correctly)
4. WINE (1.4.1 worked with my programs)
5. Amarok
Thnx for the update.
--- Original Message ---
From: Nigel Henry <fizzog.z9m23(a)orange.fr>
To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
On Tuesday 08 April 2014 18:28, Tini wrote:
Is it possible to run all modern
software/hardware under Hardy 8.04?
(IE, widescreen monitors, firefox, mkv files, etc?)
It will do widescreen monitors, but that will also be dependent on your
video card. With my Rage 128 Pro card the Acer 19" Widescreen (1366 x 768)
says it's doing that, but according to the xorg log it's doing 1280 x 768,
but that's about as good as it will get for a 1366 x 768 monitor.
Firefox is stuck at 3.6.17
Opera won't get further than 12.02 due to the version of libc6.
And as Lisi says there are newer versions of apps that won't work on it
due to needing newer library versions.
I must say that I also have Xubuntu Lucid 10.04 installed with TDE 3.5.13.2
which works fine, and also Xubuntu Precise 12.04 with TDE 3.5.13.2
Nigel.
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12:36 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
There is also a Wine PPA https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa that has the
latest development version of wine for both raring and precise.
On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 8:25 PM, Chris Graham <chrisdgraham22(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Mint 15 is Ubuntu 13.04/Raring based and can use all the Raring repos
including the ones for Trinity. Trinity installed and runs fine on Mint 15.
I just checked in synaptic that all the packages on your list are available,
including wine 1.4.1. I got best results from starting with the Mate DE
version of Mint 15 and leaving most of Mate/Gnome installed. The result
is fully up to date on media and sound support with Firefox 20.0.
Another good option might be Ubuntu Studio 12.04 with Trinity
installed. I haven't
tried this yet, but it'll be the next thing I do. Trinity works fine
on standard 12.04
but I'm missing something needed to make the sound work. 12.04 uses wine 1.4,
and so far that's been as good as wine 1.4.1.
On 4/8/14, Tini <trin(a)telekon.org> wrote:
I'm considering switching distros because of the
frequent problems
with software suddenly not working, luckily I don't have many apps
to worry over.
My 5 major concerns are:
1. Kaffeine (the 0.8 version that actually worked)
2. Audacity
3. AVI Demux (the old version that worked correctly)
4. WINE (1.4.1 worked with my programs)
5. Amarok
Thnx for the update.
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From: Nigel Henry <fizzog.z9m23(a)orange.fr>
To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
On Tuesday 08 April 2014 18:28, Tini wrote:
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Is it possible to run all modern
software/hardware under Hardy 8.04?
(IE, widescreen monitors, firefox, mkv files, etc?)
It will do widescreen monitors, but that will also be dependent on your
video card. With my Rage 128 Pro card the Acer 19" Widescreen (1366 x 768)
says it's doing that, but according to the xorg log it's doing 1280 x 768,
but that's about as good as it will get for a 1366 x 768 monitor.
Firefox is stuck at 3.6.17
Opera won't get further than 12.02 due to the version of libc6.
And as Lisi says there are newer versions of apps that won't work on it
due to needing newer library versions.
I must say that I also have Xubuntu Lucid 10.04 installed with TDE 3.5.13.2
which works fine, and also Xubuntu Precise 12.04 with TDE 3.5.13.2
Nigel.
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6:43 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
1. I was considering switching to Mint, is there a
version that has TDE already installed?
2. Is there a public list of the files in the Mint repo?
I'm not overly concerned with the distro, I am more
concerned with the versions of the apps. The older
ones worked better.
--- Original Message ---
From: Chris Graham <chrisdgraham22(a)gmail.com>
To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014
Mint 15 is Ubuntu 13.04/Raring based and can use all the Raring repos
including the ones for Trinity. Trinity installed and runs fine on Mint 15.
I just checked in synaptic that all the packages on your list are available,
including wine 1.4.1. I got best results from starting with the Mate DE
version of Mint 15 and leaving most of Mate/Gnome installed. The result
is fully up to date on media and sound support with Firefox 20.0.
Another good option might be Ubuntu Studio 12.04 with Trinity
installed. I haven't tried this yet, but it'll be the next thing I do. Trinity
works fine on standard 12.04 but I'm missing something needed to make the sound work.
12.04 uses wine 1.4, and so far that's been as good as wine 1.4.1.
On 4/8/14, Tini <trin(a)telekon.org> wrote:
I'm considering switching distros because of the
frequent problems
with software suddenly not working, luckily I don't have many apps
to worry over.
My 5 major concerns are:
1. Kaffeine (the 0.8 version that actually worked)
2. Audacity
3. AVI Demux (the old version that worked correctly)
4. WINE (1.4.1 worked with my programs)
5. Amarok
Thnx for the update.
7:40 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
Mint doesn't come with Trinity at all, but the 13.04 repos work fine
if you stick
with Mint 15 (which is based on 13.04). Use the Mate desktop version and leave
most of it installed.
List of versions: I'll get back to you later with the exact versions I
found with synaptic
in Mint 15. (I'm running Debian at the moment). Also, I'll post my sources.list.
Mint has the best media support I've yet seen. Annoying bugs are [1] it doesn't
complete shutdown or reboot automatically like any other modern distro (you have
to halt it with the shutdown button) and [2] some gtk widgets are
mis-rendered in
the Trinity DE (such as synaptic, but the programs all seem to work).
In general, the apps we know and love get broken in some versions and
fixed again
in others. Same with distros. That's why I try out and multi-boot lots
of them. I still
occasionally run Vector 6 "Kde Classic" with 3.5.10, but it's become
useless for
media now (even though it was great 18 months ago).
On 4/9/14, Tini <trin(a)telekon.org> wrote:
1. I was considering switching to Mint, is there a
version that has TDE already installed?
2. Is there a public list of the files in the Mint repo?
I'm not overly concerned with the distro, I am more
concerned with the versions of the apps. The older
ones worked better.
--- Original Message ---
From: Chris Graham <chrisdgraham22(a)gmail.com>
To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014
Mint 15 is Ubuntu 13.04/Raring based and can use all the Raring repos
including the ones for Trinity. Trinity installed and runs fine on Mint 15.
I just checked in synaptic that all the packages on your list are
available,
including wine 1.4.1. I got best results from starting with the Mate DE
version of Mint 15 and leaving most of Mate/Gnome installed. The result
is fully up to date on media and sound support with Firefox 20.0.
Another good option might be Ubuntu Studio 12.04 with Trinity
installed. I haven't tried this yet, but it'll be the next thing I do.
Trinity works fine on standard 12.04 but I'm missing something needed to
make the sound work. 12.04 uses wine 1.4, and so far that's been as good as
wine 1.4.1.
On 4/8/14, Tini <trin(a)telekon.org> wrote:
I'm considering switching distros because of
the frequent problems
with software suddenly not working, luckily I don't have many apps
to worry over.
My 5 major concerns are:
1. Kaffeine (the 0.8 version that actually worked)
2. Audacity
3. AVI Demux (the old version that worked correctly)
4. WINE (1.4.1 worked with my programs)
5. Amarok
Thnx for the update.
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New subject: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
1. Think I'll skip Mint. I Googled 'mint 15 kaffeine' and the result page
said 'kaffeine 1.2.2' which does not work. And I'm pretty sure they have
the latest versions of 'Audacity' and 'WINE' which don't work.
(WINE 1.6.1 won't run certain programs, and if I use Audacity 2.0.5 to
edit an mp3 the new file sounds 'tinny' for some reason. I didn't have
any problems with the older versions of WINE or Audacity)
2. I almost went with Vector Linux 3 months ago. I didn't know it was outdated
multi-media wise.
3. I'm going to try TDE-Kubuntu, it has the version of kaffeine that
I want. And the repo has WINE 1.4.0. Not quite the version I want,
but it's better than 1.6.1 which doesn't run anything.
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To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014
Mint has the best media support I've yet seen. Annoying bugs are [1] it doesn't
complete shutdown or reboot automatically like any other modern distro (you have to halt
it with the shutdown button) and [2] some gtk widgets are mis-rendered in the Trinity DE
(such as synaptic, but the programs all seem to work).
In general, the apps we know and love get broken in some versions and
fixed again in others. Same with distros. That's why I try out and multi-boot lots of
them.
I still occasionally run Vector 6 "Kde Classic" with 3.5.10, but it's
become
useless for media now (even though it was great 18 months ago).
2:19 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
On Wednesday 09 April 2014, Tini wrote:
(WINE 1.6.1 won't run certain programs, and if I
use Audacity 2.0.5 to
edit an mp3 the new file sounds 'tinny' for some reason. I didn't have
any problems with the older versions of WINE or Audacity)
Just out of curiosity - why aren't you using Audacity under Wine and not
directly install it under Mint/Ubuntu/...?
Gerhard
2:32 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
On Wednesday 09 April 2014, Gerhard Zintel wrote:
On Wednesday 09 April 2014, Tini wrote:
Sorry, typo, it should have been:
Just out of curiosity - why are you using Audacity under Wine and not directly install it
under Mint/Ubuntu/...?
Gerhard
(WINE 1.6.1 won't run certain programs, and
if I use Audacity 2.0.5 to
edit an mp3 the new file sounds 'tinny' for some reason. I didn't have
any problems with the older versions of WINE or Audacity)
Just out of curiosity - why aren't you using Audacity under Wine and not
directly install it under Mint/Ubuntu/...?
2:37 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
On Wednesday 09 April 2014 15:32:16 Gerhard Zintel wrote:
Just out of curiosity - why are you using Audacity
under Wine and
not directly install it under Mint/Ubuntu/...?
Just out of curiosity, why do you think that Tini is using Audacity
under Wine??
Lisi
2:54 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
I was wondering the same thing. :-D
My meaning got lost in translation! hah!
To clarify:
1. I run Audacity (installed).
2. I run Kaffeine (installed).
3. I run WINE (installed, obviously ha!)
All three of these programs will work *IF* I install an older
version of each. New versions of apps don't always work better.
WINE 1.6.1 won't run many of my programs. I need 1.4.x
and...
Kaffeine 1.2.2 is a piece of garbage. I need 0.8.
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Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014
On Wednesday 09 April 2014 15:32:16 Gerhard Zintel wrote:
Just out of curiosity - why are you using Audacity
under Wine and
not directly install it under Mint/Ubuntu/...?
Just out of curiosity, why do you think that Tini is using Audacity
under Wine??
Lisi
3:18 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
On Wednesday 09 April 2014, Tini wrote:
I was wondering the same thing. :-D
My meaning got lost in translation! hah!
From: Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com>
I've got the idea from this
Just out of curiosity - why are you using
Audacity under Wine and
not directly install it under Mint/Ubuntu/...?
Just out of curiosity, why do you think that Tini is using Audacity
under Wine?? (WINE 1.6.1 won't run certain programs, and if I
use Audacity 2.0.5 to
edit an mp3 the new file sounds 'tinny' for some reason. I didn't have
any problems with the older versions of WINE or Audacity)
Obviously, I was wrong.
G
4:05 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
On Wednesday 09 April 2014 16:18:45 Gerhard Zintel wrote:
It doesn't say it. It says that WINE and audacity both cause him
problems, not that he runs one on the other.
Lisi
Just out of
curiosity, why do you think that Tini is using
Audacity under Wine??
I've got the idea from this
> (WINE 1.6.1 won't run certain programs, and if I use Audacity
> 2.0.5 to edit an mp3 the new file sounds 'tinny' for some reason.
> I didn't have any problems with the older versions of WINE or
> Audacity) 
5:19 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
On Wed, 9 Apr 2014, Tini wrote:
To clarify:
1. I run Audacity (installed).
2. I run Kaffeine (installed).
3. I run WINE (installed, obviously ha!)
All three of these programs will work *IF* I install an older
version of each. New versions of apps don't always work better.
WINE 1.6.1 won't run many of my programs. I need 1.4.x
and...
Kaffeine 1.2.2 is a piece of garbage. I need 0.8.
I think you should be able to find the older version(s) of what you
are worried about -- maybe at SourceForge, maybe at a devoted web site.
You may need to compile from source to get them to play nice with
new/updated distro libraries.
For instance, I installed an "older" version of KDE on this
system to get away from KDE 4. :-)
Just my thoughts.
Jonesy
5:36 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
I've tried that route and had mucho trouble getting them
to install/run under the new libs. So now I stick with what
is in the repos.
I'm not that tech savvy when I comes to compiling and
installing. Plus I worry about wrecking what already works!
So far TDE-Kubunto seems to have what I'm looking for.
And I too want to get away from KDE 4... :-D
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Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014
On Wed, 9 Apr 2014, Tini wrote:
To clarify:
1. I run Audacity (installed).
2. I run Kaffeine (installed).
3. I run WINE (installed, obviously ha!)
All three of these programs will work *IF* I install an older
version of each. New versions of apps don't always work better.
WINE 1.6.1 won't run many of my programs. I need 1.4.x
and...
Kaffeine 1.2.2 is a piece of garbage. I need 0.8.
I think you should be able to find the older version(s) of what you
are worried about -- maybe at SourceForge, maybe at a devoted web site.
You may need to compile from source to get them to play nice with
new/updated distro libraries.
For instance, I installed an "older" version of KDE on this
system to get away from KDE 4. :-)
Just my thoughts.
Jonesy
5:48 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
On Wednesday 09 April 2014 18:36:50 Tini wrote:
So far TDE-Kubunto seems to have what I'm looking
for.
And if it lets you down, there is always one of the other distros that
TDE supports. Debian is great, and Amarok works fine. I haven't
tried the others, but will do so over the next few days.
Lisi
8:20 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Last Kubuntu Version That Came With KDE3?
I get wildly variable results from different distros.
I've found wine to be very unpredictable and needs a lot of tweaking.
I agree that
1.4.1 is the best version so far, but I've also had good results with
1.6.1..with the
particular apps I run in it. But I can't honestly say any version of
wine is guaranteed
to work for sure.
Vector 6 "Kde Classic" was fabulous for a while, but you're stuck with
Firefox 3.6.
The newest wine you can use in VL6 is 1.3.9 and I couldn't do much with it.
On 4/9/14, Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday 09 April 2014 18:36:50 Tini wrote:
So far TDE-Kubunto seems to have what I'm
looking for.
And if it lets you down, there is always one of the other distros that
TDE supports. Debian is great, and Amarok works fine. I haven't
tried the others, but will do so over the next few days.
Lisi
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4:36 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Two Errors on the "Kubuntu Precise" LiveCD
Dne čt 6. března 2014 Tini napsal(a):
I'm thinking of installing
"TDE-Kubuntu"
(http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/cdimages/kubuntu/precis
e/) but there are two errors on the LiveCD:
Error 1:
1. [right click on desktop] >> Configure Desktop >> Behavior >>
[uncheck
"Show Tooltips"] [now click "Apply"] the window will crash and any
changes
are not recorded.
Use Control Center / Desktop / Behaviour.
The same settings by this way work correctly.
---
Error 2:
2. [click on "My Computer"] >> [click on any partition] and the error
popup
reads:
"Permissions denied<p>please insure that<br>..." etc.
As you can see, the HTML code is visible in the popup message.
Are you member in group plugdev?
Will both of these errors be fixed?
I think, it is better to solve these problems, instead of use very old
distribution as is Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy).
--
Slavek
9 Apr
9 Apr
7:04 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Two Errors on the "Kubuntu Precise" LiveCD
No, I am not a member of 'plugdev'.
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Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Two Errors on the "Kubuntu Precise" LiveCD
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014
Dne čt 6. března 2014 Tini napsal(a):
I'm thinking of installing
"TDE-Kubuntu"
(http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/cdimages/kubuntu/precis
e/) but there are two errors on the LiveCD:
Error 1:
1. [right click on desktop] >> Configure Desktop >> Behavior >>
[uncheck
"Show Tooltips"] [now click "Apply"] the window will crash and any
changes
are not recorded.
Use Control Center / Desktop / Behaviour.
The same settings by this way work correctly.
---
Error 2:
2. [click on "My Computer"] >> [click on any partition] and the error
popup
reads:
"Permissions denied<p>please insure that<br>..." etc.
As you can see, the HTML code is visible in the popup message.
Are you member in group plugdev?
Will both of these errors be fixed?
I think, it is better to solve these problems, instead of use very old
distribution as is Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy).
--
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12:44 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Two Errors on the "Kubuntu Precise" LiveCD
thanks! that worx!
--- Original Message ---
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To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Two Errors on the "Kubuntu Precise" LiveCD
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014
2014 Tini napsal(a):
I'm thinking of installing
"TDE-Kubuntu"
(http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/cdimages/kubuntu/precise/) but there
are two errors on the LiveCD:
Error 1:
1. [right click on desktop] >> Configure Desktop >> Behavior >>
[uncheck "Show Tooltips"] [now click "Apply"] the window will crash
and any changes are not recorded.
Use Control Center / Desktop / Behaviour.
The same settings by this way work correctly.
--
Slavek
7:35 p.m.
New subject: Multi-Media Codecs "Kubuntu Precise" LiveCD
Can anyone tell me which codecs I need to download from the
ubuntu repo in order to play mp3, avi, mpg, mkv, etc files?
I'm trying the Live-CD but nothing plays. I understand this is
done for legal reasons.
9:07 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Multi-Media Codecs "Kubuntu Precise" LiveCD
On Kubuntu 13.04, I think what you need is the package called
flashplugin-installer.
This is what installs non-free Adobe media codecs into Firefox.
BTW, you can install and test not-included software into RAM on a
running live CD.
Apt-get and Synaptic think the Live CD RAM filesystem is a real filesystem. Any
new software installed is only written to RAM and not to the CD, and how much
you can install is limited by how much RAM you've got. This is great
for testing.
On 4/9/14, Tini <trin(a)telekon.org> wrote:
Can anyone tell me which codecs I need to download
from the
ubuntu repo in order to play mp3, avi, mpg, mkv, etc files?
I'm trying the Live-CD but nothing plays. I understand this is
done for legal reasons.
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New subject: [trinity-users] Multi-Media Codecs "Kubuntu Precise" LiveCD
This is the version I'm going to install,
http://ftp.fau.de/trinity/cdimages/kubuntu/precise/
I want to play music/movie files on 'kaffeine' and 'smplayer'...
not play flash files on firefox.
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To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Multi-Media Codecs "Kubuntu Precise" LiveCD
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014
On Kubuntu 13.04, I think what you need is the package called
flashplugin-installer.
This is what installs non-free Adobe media codecs into Firefox.
BTW, you can install and test not-included software into RAM on a
running live CD. Apt-get and Synaptic think the Live CD RAM filesystem
is a real filesystem.
Any new software installed is only written to RAM and not to the CD, and how much you can
install is limited by how much RAM you've got. This is great for testing.
10:21 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Multi-Media Codecs "Kubuntu Precise" LiveCD
Try that and try test-installing kaffeine and smplayer on the running live cd.
to see if it works. If Synaptic isn't installed, do sudo apt-get
install synaptic first.
If that doesn't work out, try the March 22nd 2014 nightly build live
CD from here:
http://ftp.fau.de/trinity/cdimages/ubuntu/
And do the same test install. That's Ubuntu 13.04.
And/or try Ubuntu Studio 12.04 then installing Trinity on it from the
Precise repos.
You may well have to try several OS's before you get one that does
what you want.
On 4/9/14, Tini <trin(a)telekon.org> wrote:
This is the version I'm going to install,
http://ftp.fau.de/trinity/cdimages/kubuntu/precise/
I want to play music/movie files on 'kaffeine' and 'smplayer'...
not play flash files on firefox.
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To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Multi-Media Codecs "Kubuntu Precise" LiveCD
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014
On Kubuntu 13.04, I think what you need is the package called
flashplugin-installer.
This is what installs non-free Adobe media codecs into Firefox.
BTW, you can install and test not-included software into RAM on a
running live CD. Apt-get and Synaptic think the Live CD RAM filesystem
is a real filesystem.
Any new software installed is only written to RAM and not to the CD, and how
much you can install is limited by how much RAM you've got. This is great
for testing.
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10:34 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Multi-Media Codecs "Kubuntu Precise" LiveCD
Ok, first of all - thanks to everyone for their help!
Second, I checked the included files in 'Studio' and it
doesn't have the files I want. So if I install it I'm going
to get the bad versions of some programs (kaffeine 122)
from the repo.
Anyway I think this will take care of the audio problems!
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Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Multi-Media Codecs "Kubuntu Precise" LiveCD
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 18:21:40 -0400
Try that and try test-installing kaffeine and smplayer on the running live cd.
to see if it works. If Synaptic isn't installed, do
sudo apt-get install synaptic first.
If that doesn't work out, try the March 22nd 2014 nightly build live
CD from here: http://ftp.fau.de/trinity/cdimages/ubuntu/
And do the same test install. That's Ubuntu 13.04.
And/or try Ubuntu Studio 12.04 then installing Trinity on it from the
Precise repos.
You may well have to try several OS's before you get one that does
what you want.
10:34 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Multi-Media Codecs "Kubuntu Precise" LiveCD
On Wednesday 09 April 2014 23:21:40 Chris Graham wrote:
Try that and try test-installing kaffeine and smplayer
on the
running live cd. to see if it works. If Synaptic isn't installed,
do sudo apt-get install synaptic first.
If that doesn't work out, try the March 22nd 2014 nightly build
live CD from here:
http://ftp.fau.de/trinity/cdimages/ubuntu/
And do the same test install. That's Ubuntu 13.04.
And/or try Ubuntu Studio 12.04 then installing Trinity on it from
the Precise repos.
You may well have to try several OS's before you get one that does
what you want.
But why not try actually installing them rather than installing
software on a running live CD? It would give a much more
satisfactory picture, and wouldn't take long. I reckon around half
an hour for a basic install of an OS. And a little longer to install
other bits.
Lisi
11:33 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Multi-Media Codecs "Kubuntu Precise" LiveCD
You can do the same testing on a hard install too.
On 4/9/14, Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday 09 April 2014 23:21:40 Chris Graham
wrote:
Try that and try test-installing kaffeine and
smplayer on the
running live cd. to see if it works. If Synaptic isn't installed,
do sudo apt-get install synaptic first.
If that doesn't work out, try the March 22nd 2014 nightly build
live CD from here:
http://ftp.fau.de/trinity/cdimages/ubuntu/
And do the same test install. That's Ubuntu 13.04.
And/or try Ubuntu Studio 12.04 then installing Trinity on it from
the Precise repos.
You may well have to try several OS's before you get one that does
what you want.
But why not try actually installing them rather than installing
software on a running live CD? It would give a much more
satisfactory picture, and wouldn't take long. I reckon around half
an hour for a basic install of an OS. And a little longer to install
other bits.
Lisi
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11:34 p.m.
New subject: A Better Klipper in TDE?
I was using the Klipper app under "Kubuntu Precise" LiveCD and
noticed that it doesn't allow you to edit the contents like the new
Klipper app under KDE4 does.
Is there some way to upgrade this app so that you can edit the
contents?
10 Apr
10 Apr
6:36 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] A Better Klipper in TDE?
You can probably install and run the Kde4 version of Klipper in TDE,
but apt-get
will want to install most of Kde4 DE as dependencies. A leaner installation may
be possible by manually downloading and installing Klipper with dpkg -i, and
working through all the deps by hand. It won't install straight off the bat, but
dpkg will tell you what the dependencies are.
On 4/9/14, Tini <trin(a)telekon.org> wrote:
I was using the Klipper app under "Kubuntu
Precise" LiveCD and
noticed that it doesn't allow you to edit the contents like the new
Klipper app under KDE4 does.
Is there some way to upgrade this app so that you can edit the
contents?
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New subject: [trinity-users] A Better Klipper in TDE?
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 02:36:47 -0400
Chris Graham <chrisdgraham22(a)gmail.com> wrote:
< top-posting fixed>
On 4/9/14, Tini <trin(a)telekon.org> wrote:
IIRR, klipper in KDE4 also needs to have akonadi installed.
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I was using the Klipper app under "Kubuntu
Precise" LiveCD and
noticed that it doesn't allow you to edit the contents like the new
Klipper app under KDE4 does.
Is there some way to upgrade this app so that you can edit the
contents?
You can probably install and run the Kde4 version of Klipper in TDE,
but apt-get
will want to install most of Kde4 DE as dependencies. A leaner installation may
be possible by manually downloading and installing Klipper with dpkg -i, and
working through all the deps by hand. It won't install straight off the bat, but
dpkg will tell you what the dependencies are.
2:36 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] A Better Klipper in TDE?
--- Original Message ---
From: Chris Graham <chrisdgraham22(a)gmail.com>
To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-users] A Better Klipper in TDE?
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014
You can probably install and run the Kde4 version of Klipper in TDE,
but apt-get will want to install most of Kde4 DE as dependencies.
A leaner installation may be possible by manually downloading and installing Klipper with
dpkg -i, and working through all the deps by hand.
It won't install straight off the bat, but dpkg will tell you what the dependencies
are.
---
I'm not familiar with the command "dpkg -i"... How would I use it to
install the new Klipper? I don't mind installing the libraries if it works ok.
7:32 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] A Better Klipper in TDE?
dpkg is used to install packages that you downloaded manually as opposed the
automated process of using apt-get or synaptic. It also has uses for manually or
automatically configuring packages during or after installation. The
-i switch means
"install". 'man dpkg' or 'dpkg --help' will explain the other
uses of dpkg.
Getting all the libraries installed manually is tedious, but dpkg will
tell you what the
missing dependencies are and install the 'broken' package anyway.
You'll be forced to
remove and re-install it in the course of fixing the dependencies.
On 4/10/14, Tini <trin(a)telekon.org> wrote:
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To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-users] A Better Klipper in TDE?
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014
You can probably install and run the Kde4 version of Klipper in TDE,
but apt-get will want to install most of Kde4 DE as dependencies.
A leaner installation may be possible by manually downloading and installing
Klipper with dpkg -i, and working through all the deps by hand.
It won't install straight off the bat, but dpkg will tell you what the
dependencies are.
---
I'm not familiar with the command "dpkg -i"... How would I use it to
install the new Klipper? I don't mind installing the libraries if it works
ok.
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New subject: [trinity-users] A Better Klipper in TDE?
On Thursday 10 April 2014 20:32:02 Chris Graham wrote:
You'll be forced to
remove and re-install it in the course of fixing the dependencies.
I never have been. I aptitude install the dependencies, and when I
get to the end aptitude announces that there is a partly installed
package and installs it without my doing anything further.
Lisi
11 Apr
11 Apr
12:04 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] A Better Klipper in TDE?
On Thursday 10 April 2014 12:48:19 you wrote:
On Thursday 10 April 2014 20:32:02 Chris Graham
wrote:
+1
It would be better to use "apt-get install --no-install-recommends
<package name>" . This will install the package and only the depends,
which you want anyway. You can configure apt to do this as the default
behavior.
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You'll be forced to
remove and re-install it in the course of fixing the dependencies.
I never have been. I aptitude install the dependencies, and when I
get to the end aptitude announces that there is a partly installed
package and installs it without my doing anything further.
Lisi 
10 Apr
10 Apr
8:38 p.m.
New subject: A Better Klipper in TDE?
In article <1397086467.26537.104771741.426029C7(a)webmail.messagingengine.com>om>,
Tini <trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
I was using the Klipper app under "Kubuntu
Precise" LiveCD and
noticed that it doesn't allow you to edit the contents like the new
Klipper app under KDE4 does.
Is there some way to upgrade this app so that you can edit the
contents?
Does it not ? It certainly used to. I'm away from home for a week
or two so can't check that detail unfortunately. I do hope it's not gone
from Trinity too, I was at a loss when KDE4 removed the ability to edit
clipboard contents from klipper.
Nick
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9:30 p.m.
New subject: A Better Klipper in TDE?
In article <li6vfo$fho$1(a)ger.gmane.org>rg>,
Nick Leverton <trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
In article
<1397086467.26537.104771741.426029C7(a)webmail.messagingengine.com>om>,
Tini <trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
Ah the wonder of KVM and downloadable live images :-) Yes, KDE3 klipper
does allow editing of items in the context specific popup and, last time
I was at home to use it, so did Trinity 3.5.12 klipper. Assuming you
are talking of the same feature I am, if you don't have this feature
any more it would seem to be a regression.
To test: highlight a URL like this one: http://test.invalid
Cause the Web-URL popup to appear (it may be automatic or you may need
to press control-alt-R)
You should see "Edit Contents" as the second to last option
Nick
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I was using the Klipper app under "Kubuntu
Precise" LiveCD and
noticed that it doesn't allow you to edit the contents like the new
Klipper app under KDE4 does.
Is there some way to upgrade this app so that you can edit the
contents?
Does it not ? It certainly used to. I'm away from home for a week
or two so can't check that detail unfortunately.
10:11 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: A Better Klipper in TDE?
On Thursday 10 April 2014 22:30:12 Nick Leverton wrote:
In article <li6vfo$fho$1(a)ger.gmane.org>rg>,
Nick Leverton <trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
Works for me - 3.5.13.2 last upgraded a couple of hours ago.
Lisi
In article
<1397086467.26537.104771741.426029C7(a)webmail.messagingengine.com>
,
Tini <trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
Ah the wonder of KVM and downloadable live images :-) Yes, KDE3
klipper does allow editing of items in the context specific popup
and, last time I was at home to use it, so did Trinity 3.5.12
klipper. Assuming you are talking of the same feature I am, if you
don't have this feature any more it would seem to be a regression.
To test: highlight a URL like this one: http://test.invalid
Cause the Web-URL popup to appear (it may be automatic or you may
need to press control-alt-R)
You should see "Edit Contents" as the second to last option I was using the Klipper app under "Kubuntu
Precise" LiveCD and
noticed that it doesn't allow you to edit the contents like the
new Klipper app under KDE4 does.
Is there some way to upgrade this app so that you can edit the
contents?
Does it not ? It certainly used to. I'm away from home for a
week or two so can't check that detail unfortunately.
14 Apr
14 Apr
11:41 p.m.
New subject: Synaptic Won't Install From CD
I just did a demo installation of Synaptic from Kub. Live CD and got
these error messages after entering "sudo apt-get install synaptic"
---
Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main sgml-data all 2.0.6 [271 kB ]
Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main docbook-xml all 4.5-7ubuntu 1 [336
kB]
Get:3 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main python-gnupginterface all 0
.3.2-9.1ubuntu3 [19.2 kB]
Get:4 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main libvte-common all 1:0.28.2- 3ubuntu2
[22.8 kB]
Get:5 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main libvte9 i386 1:0.28.2-3ubun tu2 [372
kB]
Get:6 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main python-pkg-resources all 0.
6.24-1ubuntu1 [63.1 kB]
Get:7 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main unattended-upgrades all
0.76ubuntu1 [24.7 kB]
Get:8 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main python-pycurl i386 7.19.0-4 ubuntu3
[48.5 kB]
Get:9 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main librarian0 i386 0.8.1-5 [59 .2 kB]
Get:10 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main rarian-compat i386 0.8.1-5 [104 kB]
Get:11 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main python-defer all 1.0.2+bzr 481-1
[10.9 kB]
Get:12 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main python-aptdaemon a ll
0.43+bzr805-0ubuntu9 [82.2 kB]
Get:13 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main aptdaemon-data all
0.43+bzr805-0ubuntu9 [163 kB]
Get:14 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main python-aptdaemon.g
tk3widgets all 0.43+bzr805-0ubuntu9 [15.0 kB]
Get:15 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/universe synaptic i386 0.75.9ub untu1
[2,405 kB]
Get:16 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main aptdaemon all 0.43
+bzr805-0ubuntu9 [16.0 kB]
Err http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main python-software-prope rties all
0.82.7.3 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.149 80]
Err http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main software-properties-c ommon all
0.82.7.3 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.149 80]
Err http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main software-properties-g tk all
0.82.7.3 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.149 80]
Fetched 4,012 kB in 7s (558 kB/s) Failed to fetch
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/software-properties
/python-software-properties_0.82.7.3_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.149 80]
Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/software-properties
/software-properties-common_0.82.7.3_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.149 80]
Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/software-properties
/software-properties-gtk_0.82.7.3_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.149 80]
E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
15 Apr
15 Apr
12:08 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Synaptic Won't Install From CD
On Tuesday 15 of April 2014 01:41:35 Tini wrote:
I just did a demo installation of Synaptic from Kub.
Live CD and got
these error messages after entering "sudo apt-get install synaptic"
---
Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main sgml-data all 2.0.6
[271 kB ]
Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main docbook-xml all
4.5-7ubuntu 1 [336 kB]
Get:3 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main python-gnupginterface
all 0 .3.2-9.1ubuntu3 [19.2 kB]
Get:4 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main libvte-common all
1:0.28.2- 3ubuntu2 [22.8 kB]
Get:5 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main libvte9 i386
1:0.28.2-3ubun tu2 [372 kB]
Get:6 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main python-pkg-resources
all 0. 6.24-1ubuntu1 [63.1 kB]
Get:7 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main
unattended-upgrades all 0.76ubuntu1 [24.7 kB]
Get:8 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main python-pycurl i386
7.19.0-4 ubuntu3 [48.5 kB]
Get:9 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main librarian0 i386
0.8.1-5 [59 .2 kB]
Get:10 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main rarian-compat i386
0.8.1-5 [104 kB]
Get:11 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main python-defer all
1.0.2+bzr 481-1 [10.9 kB]
Get:12 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main
python-aptdaemon a ll 0.43+bzr805-0ubuntu9 [82.2 kB]
Get:13 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main
aptdaemon-data all 0.43+bzr805-0ubuntu9 [163 kB]
Get:14 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main
python-aptdaemon.g tk3widgets all 0.43+bzr805-0ubuntu9 [15.0 kB]
Get:15 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/universe synaptic i386
0.75.9ub untu1 [2,405 kB]
Get:16 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main aptdaemon all
0.43 +bzr805-0ubuntu9 [16.0 kB]
Err http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main
python-software-prope rties all 0.82.7.3 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.149
80]
Err http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main
software-properties-c ommon all 0.82.7.3 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.149
80]
Err http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main
software-properties-g tk all 0.82.7.3 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.149 80]
Fetched 4,012 kB in 7s (558 kB/s) Failed to fetch
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/software-properties
/python-software-properties_0.82.7.3_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP:
91.189.88.149 80]
Failed to fetch
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/software-properties
/software-properties-common_0.82.7.3_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP:
91.189.88.149 80]
Failed to fetch
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/software-properties
/software-properties-gtk_0.82.7.3_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.149
80]
E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with
--fix-missing?
Enter first: sudo apt-get update
This will update the packages lists.
--
Slavek
11:44 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Synaptic Won't Install From CD
On Tuesday 15 of April 2014 01:41:35 Tini wrote:
> I just did a demo installation of Synaptic from Kub. Live CD and got
> these error messages after entering "sudo apt-get install synaptic"
>
> ---
>
...
Enter first: sudo apt-get update
This will update the packages lists.
--
Slavek
Hi all!
I should add that the graphic equivalent of apt-get update in Konsole is to click on the
''Reload'' button, which is the leftmost button in Synaptic.
-Alexandre
11:48 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Synaptic Won't Install From CD
Dne út 15. dubna 2014 Alexandre napsal(a):
Alexandre, but the catch is that Tini wants to install Synaptic ;)
--
Slavek
On Tuesday 15
of April 2014 01:41:35 Tini wrote:
> I just did a demo installation of Synaptic from Kub. Live CD and got
> these error messages after entering "sudo apt-get install synaptic"
>
> ---
...
Enter first: sudo apt-get update
This will update the packages lists.
--
Slavek
Hi all!
I should add that the graphic equivalent of apt-get update in Konsole is to
click on the ''Reload'' button, which is the leftmost button in
Synaptic.
-Alexandre
12:02 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Synaptic Won't Install From CD
Alexandre, but the catch is that Tini wants to install
Synaptic ;)
--
Slavek
Yes, just install Synaptic from Synaptic :) Ok, just forget this one :)
You are sure that Kubuntu doesn't already come with Synaptic installed?
Seems to be a very rare exception, or not a regular build.
-Alexandre
2:17 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Synaptic Won't Install From CD
On Tuesday 15 April 2014 01:08:55 Slávek Banko wrote:
On Tuesday 15 of April 2014 01:41:35 Tini wrote:
Tini, you really would get on a lot better with a lot less frustration
if you were to find out how deb package managers work before trying
to use one. You keep landing yourself with easily predictable
problems because you don't really know what to do. None of us are
born knowing. Just look it up. Look before you leap!
Lisi
I just did a demo installation of Synaptic from
Kub. Live CD and
got these error messages after entering "sudo apt-get install
synaptic"
---
Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main sgml-data
all 2.0.6 [271 kB ]
Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main docbook-xml
all 4.5-7ubuntu 1 [336 kB]
Get:3 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main
python-gnupginterface all 0 .3.2-9.1ubuntu3 [19.2 kB]
Get:4 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main
libvte-common all 1:0.28.2- 3ubuntu2 [22.8 kB]
Get:5 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main libvte9 i386
1:0.28.2-3ubun tu2 [372 kB]
Get:6 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main
python-pkg-resources all 0. 6.24-1ubuntu1 [63.1 kB]
Get:7 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main
unattended-upgrades all 0.76ubuntu1 [24.7 kB]
Get:8 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main
python-pycurl i386 7.19.0-4 ubuntu3 [48.5 kB]
Get:9 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main librarian0
i386 0.8.1-5 [59 .2 kB]
Get:10 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main
rarian-compat i386 0.8.1-5 [104 kB]
Get:11 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main
python-defer all 1.0.2+bzr 481-1 [10.9 kB]
Get:12 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main
python-aptdaemon a ll 0.43+bzr805-0ubuntu9 [82.2 kB]
Get:13 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main
aptdaemon-data all 0.43+bzr805-0ubuntu9 [163 kB]
Get:14 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main
python-aptdaemon.g tk3widgets all 0.43+bzr805-0ubuntu9 [15.0 kB]
Get:15 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/universe
synaptic i386 0.75.9ub untu1 [2,405 kB]
Get:16 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main
aptdaemon all 0.43 +bzr805-0ubuntu9 [16.0 kB]
Err http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main
python-software-prope rties all 0.82.7.3 404 Not Found [IP:
91.189.88.149 80]
Err http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main
software-properties-c ommon all 0.82.7.3 404 Not Found [IP:
91.189.88.149 80]
Err http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main
software-properties-g tk all 0.82.7.3 404 Not Found [IP:
91.189.88.149 80]
Fetched 4,012 kB in 7s (558 kB/s) Failed to fetch
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/software-properties
/python-software-properties_0.82.7.3_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP:
91.189.88.149 80]
Failed to fetch
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/software-properties
/software-properties-common_0.82.7.3_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP:
91.189.88.149 80]
Failed to fetch
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/software-properties
/software-properties-gtk_0.82.7.3_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP:
91.189.88.149 80]
E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try
with --fix-missing?
Enter first: sudo apt-get update
This will update the packages lists.
16 Apr
16 Apr
7:12 p.m.
New subject: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS due in TWO DAYS
Canonical has announced that the latest long-term support release of its Ubuntu Linux
distribution will be available in two days.
The Linux company made the availability announcement of Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, codenamed
"Trusty Tahr" on Tuesday, coincidentally alongside chief rival Red Hat holding
its Red Hat Summit in San Francisco.
We've already covered the main desktop features elsewhere, and suffice it to say that
our reviewer was encouraged by the changes.
As for the server features where Canonical is keen to gain influence against well-funded
rival Red Hat, Ubuntu 14.04 wraps in new features such as support for the
"Icehouse" OpenStack release, containerization technology Docker, and ARM-64
chips.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/16/ubuntu_linux_1404/
12 Apr
12 Apr
1:17 a.m.
New subject: Doing Non-Destructive Installations?
I tried to install TDE-Kubuntu Precise
(http://ftp.fau.de/trinity/cdimages/kubuntu/precise/) and was told there is another
version of linux there.
I was then offered a choice to 'install alongside' (I don't have enough space)
or to 'replace current linux'.
I chose 'replace current linux' but was told this would use the entire disk and
all of my personal files would be erased! I want to install the new OS,
I don't want to format the entire drive and lose all of my files.
Is there a way to install linux without losing 700MB of my personal files?
1:20 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Doing Non-Destructive Installations?
Right now? Back it up and do a full install. Otherwise ? Use a separate
home partiton
On Apr 11, 2014 9:18 PM, "Tini" <trin(a)telekon.org> wrote:
I tried to install TDE-Kubuntu Precise (
http://ftp.fau.de/trinity/cdimages/kubuntu/precise/) and was told there
is another version of linux there.
I was then offered a choice to 'install alongside' (I don't have enough
space) or to 'replace current linux'.
I chose 'replace current linux' but was told this would use the entire
disk and all of my personal files would be erased! I want to install the
new OS,
I don't want to format the entire drive and lose all of my files.
Is there a way to install linux without losing 700MB of my personal files?
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New subject: [trinity-users] Doing Non-Destructive Installations?
In order to backup the files I'll have to buy a 1TB drive.
And I meant to say I have '700GB of data', not '700MB'.
--- Original Message ---
From: Calvin Morrison <mutantturkey(a)gmail.com>
To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Doing Non-Destructive Installations?
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014
Right now? Back it up and do a full install. Otherwise ? Use a separate
home partition.
On Apr 11, 2014 9:18 PM, "Tini" <trin(a)telekon.org> wrote:
I tried to install TDE-Kubuntu Precise (
http://ftp.fau.de/trinity/cdimages/kubuntu/precise/) and was told there
is another version of linux there.
I was then offered a choice to 'install alongside' (I don't have enough
space) or to 'replace current linux'.
I chose 'replace current linux' but was told this would use the entire
disk and all of my personal files would be erased! I want to install the
new OS,
I don't want to format the entire drive and lose all of my files.
Is there a way to install linux without losing 700MB of my personal files?
2:52 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Doing Non-Destructive Installations?
well... Okay here's a longer answer... You could in theory delete
everything besides your home folder, then install on partition, and
manually make a user when you're done the install
On 11 April 2014 21:31, Tini <trin(a)telekon.org> wrote:
In order to backup the files I'll have to buy a
1TB drive.
And I meant to say I have '700GB of data', not '700MB'.
--- Original Message ---
From: Calvin Morrison <mutantturkey(a)gmail.com>
To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Doing Non-Destructive Installations?
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014
Right now? Back it up and do a full install. Otherwise ? Use a separate
home partition.
On Apr 11, 2014 9:18 PM, "Tini" <trin(a)telekon.org> wrote:
I tried to install TDE-Kubuntu Precise (
http://ftp.fau.de/trinity/cdimages/kubuntu/precise/) and was told there
is another version of linux there.
I was then offered a choice to 'install alongside' (I don't have enough
space) or to 'replace current linux'.
I chose 'replace current linux' but was told this would use the entire
disk and all of my personal files would be erased! I want to install the
new OS,
I don't want to format the entire drive and lose all of my files.
Is there a way to install linux without losing 700MB of my personal files?
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11 Apr
11 Apr
9:59 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Doing Non-Destructive Installations?
I think you should download GpartedLiveCD iso , burn to CD and boot up
in LiveCD mode.
Then you can see ( with your eyes ) what your options are.
If you see a picture of your hard drive, it makes thinking easier
Just my 2c
On 04/12/2014 09:52 AM, Calvin Morrison wrote:
well... Okay here's a longer answer... You could
in theory delete
everything besides your home folder, then install on partition, and
manually make a user when you're done the install
On 11 April 2014 21:31, Tini <trin(a)telekon.org> wrote:
In order to backup the files I'll have to buy
a 1TB drive.
And I meant to say I have '700GB of data', not '700MB'.
--- Original Message ---
From: Calvin Morrison <mutantturkey(a)gmail.com>
To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Doing Non-Destructive Installations?
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014
Right now? Back it up and do a full install. Otherwise ? Use a separate
home partition.
On Apr 11, 2014 9:18 PM, "Tini" <trin(a)telekon.org> wrote:
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I tried to install TDE-Kubuntu Precise (
http://ftp.fau.de/trinity/cdimages/kubuntu/precise/) and was told there
is another version of linux there.
I was then offered a choice to 'install alongside' (I don't have enough
space) or to 'replace current linux'.
I chose 'replace current linux' but was told this would use the entire
disk and all of my personal files would be erased! I want to install the
new OS,
I don't want to format the entire drive and lose all of my files.
Is there a way to install linux without losing 700MB of my personal files?
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12 Apr
12 Apr
5:15 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Doing Non-Destructive Installations?
On Saturday 12 April 2014 04.52:21 Calvin Morrison wrote:
well... Okay here's a longer answer... You could
in theory delete
everything besides your home folder, then install on partition, and
manually make a user when you're done the install
Yep, but be aware that if anything goes wrong you WILL loose your data.
You don't say how much space you have or why another drive is no option, but
having 700 GB of valuable data and no backup... that's dangerous. Hard disk
do die...
As a side note, I don't understand why people all seem to put all their data
in the home directory, just to run in this sort of problem. Unless I have a
very small disc (an SDD on a laptop for example), I start by creating at
least six partitions: I get two root, two home, one swap and one data
partition. I ususally use 50 GB for root and 15 GB for home, but smaller si
possible. On a 1 TB drive, that leaves over 850 GB space for data.
This way, wether I want to try a distribution or upgrade, I can make a full
new install without distroying my working system, and simply switch the
default boot once the new install is working.
As Tony said, provided the space is available, you could use gparted to get
this sort of setup (although your data are at risk when you resize a
partition too).
Thierry
9 Apr
9 Apr
10:10 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Multi-Media Codecs "Kubuntu Precise" LiveCD
On Wednesday 09 April 2014 20:35:13 Tini wrote:
Can anyone tell me which codecs I need to download
from the
ubuntu repo in order to play mp3, avi, mpg, mkv, etc files?
I'm trying the Live-CD but nothing plays. I understand this is
done for legal reasons.
You want a package called ubuntu-restricted-extras. once you have
installed it, multimedia files Just Work.
https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/ubuntu-restricted-extras/
Lisi
13 Apr
13 Apr
10:48 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Multi-Media Codecs "Kubuntu Precise" LiveCD
---- Original Message ---
From: Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com>
To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Multi-Media Codecs "Kubuntu Precise" LiveCD
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014
You want a package called ubuntu-restricted-extras.
Once you have installed it, multimedia files just work.
https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/ubuntu-restricted-extras/
Lisi
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Yes, kaffeine/amarok are now both playing mp3.
10 Apr
10 Apr
8:58 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Multi-Media Codecs "Kubuntu Precise" LiveCD
Le 09/04/2014 21:35, Tini a écrit :
Can anyone tell me which codecs I need to download
from the
ubuntu repo in order to play mp3, avi, mpg, mkv, etc files?
I'm trying the Live-CD but nothing plays. I understand this is
done for legal reasons.
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Install VLC from the repository (not from Videolan site), it is known to
be the most codec ready.
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New subject: [trinity-users] Multi-Media Codecs "Kubuntu Precise" LiveCD
--- Original Message ---
From: Dsant <forum(a)votreservice.com>
To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Multi-Media Codecs "Kubuntu Precise" LiveCD
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014
Install VLC from the repository (not from Videolan site),
it is known to be the most codec ready.
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I've had trouble with VLC. I use smplayer instead.
20 May
20 May
9:27 p.m.
New subject: Problem Emptying The Trash Can?
Sometimes when I delete a file the trash icon doesn't activate the "Empty
Trash" link in the menu. I have to open the can and delete the file inside.
Does the latest version of TDE fix the problem of sometimes not being able to empty the
trash folder?
PS I forgot how much I prefer KDE3 over KDE4! :-D
10:27 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Problem Emptying The Trash Can?
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Sometimes when I delete a file the trash icon
doesn't activate the "Empty
Trash" link in the menu. I have to open the can and delete the file
inside.
Does the latest version of TDE fix the problem of sometimes not being able
to empty the trash folder?
PS I forgot how much I prefer KDE3 over KDE4! :-D
What are you running now, TDE v3.5.13.x?
Glad to hear you are enjoying TDE!
Tim
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21 May
21 May
12:11 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Problem Emptying The Trash Can?
I am running: tde-3.5.13.2
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From: Timothy Pearson <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net>
To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Problem Emptying The Trash Can?
Date: Tue, 20 May 2014
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Sometimes when I delete a file the trash icon
doesn't activate the "Empty
Trash" link in the menu. I have to open the can and delete the file
inside.
Does the latest version of TDE fix the problem of sometimes not being able
to empty the trash folder?
PS I forgot how much I prefer KDE3 over KDE4! :-D
What are you running now, TDE v3.5.13.x?
Glad to hear you are enjoying TDE!
Tim
4 Mar
4 Mar
6:37 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] TDE on SID
On Tuesday 04 March 2014 00.34:29 Timothy Pearson wrote:
Packages are being rebuilt. Debian stopped providing
certain package
archive index files in January; this was not caught until recently when
all Jessie builds started failing. Now that the Jessie archive is up to
date, the build farm is rebuilding all TDE Jessie packages.
Tim
Thanks.
Thierry
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