3 May
2024
3 May
'24
1:04 a.m.
Hello. Just installed update to tde 14.1.2 and working fine. Thanks again for a
wonderful desktop to use on my debian/12.5.bookworm system.
I also use some commercial packages installed over the years, and all has been great.
However, recently, I have one commercial package upgrade that is trying to claim because I
use tde, I am seeing this problem (it won't run). BTW, if I use the previous version
of said package, it works fine. Said package developer/tech support claim it works fine
for him on default gnome desktop for debian/12.5. Hence, the incentive to send in this
tech support question to tde conflicts that have shown up when I install gnome-3.
To install gnome on debian when it is not the default, I issued "sudo apt install
task-gnome-desktop". During this install, gnome decides there is a conflict, and
wants me to remove "desktop-base-trinity" and "tde-trinity" in order
to proceed. This I do. After the new installation, apt is telling me that the following
packages are no longer needed and I can autoremove them: "arts-trinity imlib-base
imlib11 kig-trinity kuickshow-trinity libarts1-audiofile-trinity libarts1-mpeglib-trinity
libtqt3-integration-trinity mpeglib-trinity synaptic-trinity tde-core-trinity
tdebase-trinity tdeedu-trinity tdegraphics-trinity tdemultimedia-trinity xcalib".
This I do NOT do !
Everything seems to be running as normal on both tde and gnome3. I still use tdm to
login, and I can choose between tde and gnome (and variants).
If I try to reinstall "desktop-base-trinity" or "tde-trinity", then it
looks like a large chunk of gnome packages will be removed, and gnome will not remain
intact.
I am concerned to also remove the trinity packages listed above for fear it might break my
tde desktop.
What is the best way to install/configure where tde and gnome can co-exist on debian/12.5.
Not that I will slow down using tde in any way, but there might be a reason to run gnome
where needed in order to comply.
BTW, my said package fails exactly the same way on gnome3 as it is doing on tde, and their
tech support is still trying to help.
Thanks in advance if you try to help on this.
3 May
3 May
4:16 p.m.
On Fri, 03 May 2024 01:04:58 -0000
"trinitydesktop.9dio1--- via tde-users" <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
Hello. Just installed update to tde 14.1.2 and
working fine. Thanks again for a wonderful desktop to use on my debian/12.5.bookworm
system.
I also use some commercial packages installed over the years, and all has been great.
However, recently, I have one commercial package upgrade that is trying to claim because I
use tde, I am seeing this problem (it won't run). BTW, if I use the previous version
of said package, it works fine. Said package developer/tech support claim it works fine
for him on default gnome desktop for debian/12.5. Hence, the incentive to send in this
tech support question to tde conflicts that have shown up when I install gnome-3.
[...]
BTW, my said package fails exactly the same way on
gnome3 as it is doing on tde, and their tech support is still trying to help.
This sounds like a case of the supplier of the commercial software expecting a
specific version of some library and neither mentioning that nor bundling it.
The library is probably *not* related to TDE in any way. (This happens to me
with commercial games from time to time.)
Your first step is to start the program from the command line and see what
it says. If you're lucky, it will spit out a useful failure message.
E. Liddell
5:06 p.m.
On Fri, 3 May 2024, E. Liddell via tde-users wrote:
On Fri, 03 May 2024 01:04:58 -0000
"trinitydesktop.9dio1--- via tde-users" <users(a)trinitydesktop.org>
wrote:
Would it help to use `ldconfig` to see what dynamic libraries the main
executable depends upon? If the main executable is a script, you may need
to open it in a text editor and try to understand what binaries/libraries
it tries to load and then use `ldconfig` on them.
Gianluca
Hello. Just installed update to tde 14.1.2 and
working fine. Thanks again for a wonderful desktop to use on my debian/12.5.bookworm
system.
I also use some commercial packages installed over the years, and all has been great.
However, recently, I have one commercial package upgrade that is trying to claim because I
use tde, I am seeing this problem (it won't run). BTW, if I use the previous version
of said package, it works fine. Said package developer/tech support claim it works fine
for him on default gnome desktop for debian/12.5. Hence, the incentive to send in this
tech support question to tde conflicts that have shown up when I install gnome-3.
[...]
BTW, my said package fails exactly the same way
on gnome3 as it is doing on tde, and their tech support is still trying to help.
This sounds like a case of the supplier of the commercial software expecting a
specific version of some library and neither mentioning that nor bundling it.
The library is probably *not* related to TDE in any way. (This happens to me
with commercial games from time to time.)
Your first step is to start the program from the command line and see what
it says. If you're lucky, it will spit out a useful failure message.
E. Liddell
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8:45 p.m.
Thanks to all for your help. Perhaps the way I presented this problem should have been
better. I am not so interested in getting help for the commercial product here. That is
for the company that I purchased the software from.
What I really want help on here: If I decide to autoremove the packages that arose from
installing gnome ("arts-trinity imlib-base
imlib11 kig-trinity kuickshow-trinity libarts1-audiofile-trinity libarts1-mpeglib-trinity
libtqt3-integration-trinity mpeglib-trinity synaptic-trinity tde-core-trinity
tdebase-trinity tdeedu-trinity tdegraphics-trinity tdemultimedia-trinity xcalib").
If I remove these packages that are "no longer used", will it break my tde
installation. I am pretty sure if I reinstall "desktop-base-trinity" and
"tde-trinity", I will no longer be able to run the gnome desktop.
I would like to keep them both active as an option.
Forget about the 3rd-party commercial software. Let's just concentrate on having tde
and gnome both as optional desktops from tdm.
1. Should I be able to do this with clean install ?
2. If so, is it safe to remove the excess trinity packages ?
3. If not, and I bring back tde to the full install state, is there a better way to
install gnome without any issues ?
4 May
4 May
12:23 p.m.
On Fri, 03 May 2024 20:45:52 -0000
"trinitydesktop.9dio1--- via tde-users" <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
What I really want help on here: If I decide to autoremove the packages
that arose from installing gnome ("arts-trinity imlib-base imlib11
kig-trinity kuickshow-trinity libarts1-audiofile-trinity
libarts1-mpeglib-trinity libtqt3-integration-trinity mpeglib-trinity
synaptic-trinity tde-core-trinity tdebase-trinity tdeedu-trinity
tdegraphics-trinity tdemultimedia-trinity xcalib"). If I remove these
packages that are "no longer used", will it break my tde installation.
Yes it will. You dont understand what "no longer used" means in this
context. It means that this packages were autoinstalled by dependencies, but
there is currently nothing that depends on them because you uninstalled
trinity metapackages. You need to mark them as manually installed to stop
apt from suggesting to remove them.
I am pretty sure if I reinstall
"desktop-base-trinity" and "tde-trinity",
I will no longer be able to run the gnome desktop.
All of them are metapackages, your dont need them to run either trinity or
gnome
Forget about the 3rd-party commercial software. Let's just concentrate
on having tde and gnome both as optional desktops from tdm.
1. Should I be able to do this with clean install ?
No idea, you didnt post what actual packages caused a conflict.
2. If so, is it safe to remove the excess trinity
packages ?
No, as i said above, they are not "excess".
3. If not, and I bring back tde to the full install
state, is there a
better way to install gnome without any issues ?
You have both of them installed and working already.
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4:32 p.m.
Nick, thanks for your information. On 1. I agree that the packages are meta-packages,
but if I try to install them, it will ask to remove several gnome packages. So, it is
good to know I don't need them. Thanks. On 2. They are not excess, but they are not
needed. OK On 3. I agree. But , due to my inexperience in running both tde and gnome
simultaneously, I wanted to make sure that I did not get too far down the path if someone
like yourself on here who might have done this before could give me any good advice. For
example, after implementing Martin Hodges suggested fix below, I felt comfortable enough
to have two sessions open at once. I went from tde to gnome, all worked. Then logged off
gnome, and got sent right back to the tde session. However, not all of the apps that were
running on tde before were there. In fact, my qterminal did not accept keystrokes, but
the mouse did. Later I realized that all keystrokes did not work. So, I logged off the
tde session and went back to tdm. All sessions now closed, I opened up a new tde session
as usual, and everything seems fine. This is not a major deal, but from experiences years
ago, sometimes entire system can get messed up and have to go through a lot of effort to
bring it back to normal. I feel comfortable with this new setup now, and glad you and
others helped me out here.
1:42 p.m.
On 03.05.2024 03:04, trinitydesktop.9dio1--- via tde-users wrote:
Hello. Just installed update to tde 14.1.2 and
working fine. Thanks again for a wonderful desktop to use on my debian/12.5.bookworm
system.
I also use some commercial packages installed over the years, and all has been great.
However, recently, I have one commercial package upgrade that is trying to claim because I
use tde, I am seeing this problem (it won't run). BTW, if I use the previous version
of said package, it works fine. Said package developer/tech support claim it works fine
for him on default gnome desktop for debian/12.5. Hence, the incentive to send in this
tech support question to tde conflicts that have shown up when I install gnome-3.
To install gnome on debian when it is not the default, I issued "sudo apt install
task-gnome-desktop". During this install, gnome decides there is a conflict, and
wants me to remove "desktop-base-trinity" and "tde-trinity" in order
to proceed. This I do. After the new installation, apt is telling me that the following
packages are no longer needed and I can autoremove them: "arts-trinity imlib-base
imlib11 kig-trinity kuickshow-trinity libarts1-audiofile-trinity libarts1-mpeglib-trinity
libtqt3-integration-trinity mpeglib-trinity synaptic-trinity tde-core-trinity
tdebase-trinity tdeedu-trinity tdegraphics-trinity tdemultimedia-trinity xcalib".
This I do NOT do !
sudo apt install arts-trinity imlib-base imlib11 kig-trinity
kuickshow-trinity libarts1-audiofile-trinity libarts1-mpeglib-trinity
libtqt3-integration-trinity mpeglib-trinity synaptic-trinity
tde-core-trinity tdebase-trinity tdeedu-trinity tdegraphics-trinity
tdemultimedia-trinity xcalib
This will mark the packages as manually installed and will stop the
nagging about not being needed.
Everything seems to be running as normal on both tde
and gnome3. I still use tdm to login, and I can choose between tde and gnome (and
variants).
If I try to reinstall "desktop-base-trinity" or "tde-trinity", then
it looks like a large chunk of gnome packages will be removed, and gnome will not remain
intact.
I am concerned to also remove the trinity packages listed above for fear it might break
my tde desktop.
What is the best way to install/configure where tde and gnome can co-exist on
debian/12.5. Not that I will slow down using tde in any way, but there might be a reason
to run gnome where needed in order to comply.
BTW, my said package fails exactly the same way on gnome3 as it is doing on tde, and
their tech support is still trying to help.
Thanks in advance if you try to help on this.
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4:33 p.m.
Martin, this worked for me and I feel very comfortable going forward now. It will be
interesting to explore gnome again. TDE still my favorite.
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