4 Apr
2011
4 Apr
'11
10:39 a.m.
Hello
I've changed from KDE4 to Trinity, because KDE4 is so buggy. Now I'm trying to
set up everything, but Trinity appears to be very buggy too. Everything worked
fine when I was using KDE 3.5, but now it's a mess. I'm wondering it Trinity
and KDE4 get in each other's way.
- I can't set the screen's resolution, refresh rate, or gamma value. It used
to be configurable via the control center, but the controls disappeared from
there. You can use System/KRandRTray to set the resolution and refresh rate,
but it won't remember the setting.
- Amarok crashes since a few days. A few seconds after you start a song, it
generates a segmentation fault. I've tired it in KDE4, but it's the same. I've
removed and installed the amarok package, but it's still the same. I've
removed all amarok related configuration files (those with "amarok" in the name)
from ~/.trinity and from ~/.kde, but it stays the same.
Of course the crash manager crashes, when you try to report the bug. :->
- KMail crashed ("aborted") immediately after starting it. When you started it
in the terminal, you even got some information about the cause:
kmail(5507)/kdecore (KConfigSkeleton) KCoreConfigSkeleton::writeConfig:
!!!!!!! ERROR !!!!!!! - KHTML default stylesheet version mismatch.
Aborting. Check your installation. File used was:
/opt/trinity/share/apps/khtml/css/html4.css. Expected STYLE_VERSION 1
Then I've tried it in KDE4, and - bingo - it works again, even after going
back to Trinity.
- When logging out of Trinity, there sometimes appears an error message that
some policy is faulty (I have to write the message down). When logging into
KDE4, and into and out of Trinity again, the message disappears.
- The font sizes have a life of their own. Sometimes when I log in, they are
huge, and mess up the layout (amarok, for instance). Sometimes they are tiny.
When I start amarok, and I get huge fonts, it fixes itself when I quit and
start amarok again.
I can configure the fonts in the respective program's settings, but only part
of the fonts can be configured there, and changes take effect only sometimes, or
only for some font settings. I know that there are some fonts, to be configured
in the control center. But that works only sometimes.
There are a lot of places where the fonts are almost unreadaby small (the
menus, for instance). I've tried to configure them, but it doesn't work, or it
works and goes back again.
This isn't a bug report. I have to take a closer look, first.
I wonder if I'm the only one with all of these problems. If not, how can you
live with it? But from what I've seen on the net, Trinity should be quite
stable and useable. So what's going on here??
4 Apr
4 Apr
10:58 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Terribly buggy
As I have seen it, KDE4 and Trinity are not the best friends, at least on
Debian. I'd suggest you get rid of KDE4 first, then start again with trinity.
Am Montag, 4. April 2011 schrieb Volker Wysk:
Hello
I've changed from KDE4 to Trinity, because KDE4 is so buggy. Now I'm trying
to set up everything, but Trinity appears to be very buggy too. Everything
worked fine when I was using KDE 3.5, but now it's a mess. I'm wondering it
Trinity and KDE4 get in each other's way.
- I can't set the screen's resolution, refresh rate, or gamma value. It
used to be configurable via the control center, but the controls
disappeared from there. You can use System/KRandRTray to set the resolution
and refresh rate, but it won't remember the setting.
- Amarok crashes since a few days. A few seconds after you start a song, it
generates a segmentation fault. I've tired it in KDE4, but it's the same.
I've removed and installed the amarok package, but it's still the same.
I've removed all amarok related configuration files (those with "amarok"
in
the name) from ~/.trinity and from ~/.kde, but it stays the same.
Of course the crash manager crashes, when you try to report the bug. :->
- KMail crashed ("aborted") immediately after starting it. When you started
it in the terminal, you even got some information about the cause:
kmail(5507)/kdecore (KConfigSkeleton) KCoreConfigSkeleton::writeConfig:
!!!!!!! ERROR !!!!!!! - KHTML default stylesheet version mismatch.
Aborting. Check your installation. File used was:
/opt/trinity/share/apps/khtml/css/html4.css. Expected STYLE_VERSION 1
Then I've tried it in KDE4, and - bingo - it works again, even after going
back to Trinity.
- When logging out of Trinity, there sometimes appears an error message
that some policy is faulty (I have to write the message down). When logging
into KDE4, and into and out of Trinity again, the message disappears.
- The font sizes have a life of their own. Sometimes when I log in, they
are huge, and mess up the layout (amarok, for instance). Sometimes they are
tiny. When I start amarok, and I get huge fonts, it fixes itself when I
quit and start amarok again.
I can configure the fonts in the respective program's settings, but only
part of the fonts can be configured there, and changes take effect only
sometimes, or only for some font settings. I know that there are some
fonts, to be configured in the control center. But that works only
sometimes.
There are a lot of places where the fonts are almost unreadaby small (the
menus, for instance). I've tried to configure them, but it doesn't work, or
it works and goes back again.
This isn't a bug report. I have to take a closer look, first.
I wonder if I'm the only one with all of these problems. If not, how can
you live with it? But from what I've seen on the net, Trinity should be
quite stable and useable. So what's going on here??
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6 Apr
6 Apr
8:13 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Terribly buggy
Am Montag 04 April 2011, 12:58:39 schrieb Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp:
As I have seen it, KDE4 and Trinity are not the best
friends, at least on
Debian. I'd suggest you get rid of KDE4 first, then start again with
trinity.
I wasn't aware that there are separate KDE4 and Trinity versions of the KDE
applications. I've installed Amarok-Trinity now, and it works perfectly, just
as it used to before I had to reinstall my Debian system, when I was still
using KDE 3.5.10.
(It's a pity that Amarok-KDE4 won't run with Trinity, because it's amazing!
For instance, it will automagically download the lyrics of the song you're
listening, and display it... This works about half the time, even for my non-
mainstream taste in music...)
KMail-KDE4 almost works. It crashes when it is restarted by the session
manager, but otherwise... Guess I should play it safe, and go to KMail-
Trinity.
The mess with all the bugs I've encountered, seems to come from the KDE4
applications which are run under Trinity.
The neat inclusion of the KDE4 apps in Trinitiy's menus gives the impression
that the integration is meant to work fine; at least that's the impression it
gave to me.
Perhaps the KDE4 applications should be placed in a separate menu hierarchy,
or some warning message should tell the user that it's unsafe, when using KDE4
apps in Trinity.
I've still got to sort out the font size mess...
Bye,
Volker
10:03 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Terribly buggy
On Wednesday 06 April 2011 21:13:05 Volker Wysk wrote:
Am Montag 04 April 2011, 12:58:39 schrieb Mag. Dr.
Nikolaus Klepp:
They are very different!!! How would they _not_ have separate applications?
As I have seen it, KDE4 and Trinity are not the
best friends, at least on
Debian. I'd suggest you get rid of KDE4 first, then start again with
trinity.
I wasn't aware that there are separate KDE4 and Trinity versions of the KDE
applications. I've installed Amarok-Trinity now, and it works perfectly,
just as it used to before I had to reinstall my Debian system, when I was
still using KDE 3.5.10. (It's a pity that Amarok-KDE4 won't run with
Trinity, because it's amazing!
For instance, it will automagically download the lyrics of the song you're
listening, and display it... This works about half the time, even for my
non- mainstream taste in music...)
Amarok 1.4.10, running on KDE 3.5.10, does this. I haven't tried the Trinity
one yet, but I would expect it to be the same.
KMail-KDE4 almost works. It crashes when it is
restarted by the session
manager, but otherwise... Guess I should play it safe, and go to KMail-
Trinity.
The mess with all the bugs I've encountered, seems to come from the KDE4
applications which are run under Trinity.
That has certainly been other people's experience, judging by this list.
The neat inclusion of the KDE4 apps in Trinitiy's
menus gives the
impression that the integration is meant to work fine; at least that's the
impression it gave to me.
Do a little reading before installing?
Perhaps the KDE4 applications should be placed in a
separate menu
hierarchy, or some warning message should tell the user that it's unsafe,
when using KDE4 apps in Trinity.
There have been a lot of warnings on this list.
Lisi
11:15 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Terribly buggy
Am Donnerstag 07 April 2011, 00:03:30 schrieb Lisi:
When is comes to Trinit/KDE4, I thought of the desktop, not the applications.
I wasn't aware that the KDE3 applications still are around. I had the
impression that the Trinity desktop is KDE3 whereas the Trinity applications
are KDE4, which are more advanced and better than the KDE3 ones.
I haven't read the archives.
What should I have read?
So Trinity users should be prepared for trouble, and not expect a stable
system?
Those KDE4-menu entries introduce an element of bugginess, in an otherwise
perfectly stable system. That's how it seems to me.
Happy bug hunting,
Volker
I wasn't
aware that there are separate KDE4 and Trinity versions of the
KDE applications. I've installed Amarok-Trinity now, and it works
perfectly, just as it used to before I had to reinstall my Debian
system, when I was still using KDE 3.5.10.
They are very different!!! How would they _not_ have separate
applications? > (It's a pity that Amarok-KDE4 won't run
with Trinity, because it's
> amazing! For instance, it will automagically download the lyrics of the
> song you're listening, and display it... This works about half the time,
> even for my non- mainstream taste in music...)
Amarok 1.4.10, running on KDE 3.5.10, does this. I
haven't tried the
Trinity one yet, but I would expect it to be the same.
Huh? Are you sure you haven't mistaken the version? I'm running 1.4.10 (on
Trinity), and there is definitely no feature like that.
The mess with
all the bugs I've encountered, seems to come from the KDE4
applications which are run under Trinity.
That has certainly been other people's experience, judging by this list. The neat
inclusion of the KDE4 apps in Trinitiy's menus gives the
impression that the integration is meant to work fine; at least that's
the impression it gave to me.
Do a little reading before installing? Perhaps the
KDE4 applications should be placed in a separate menu
hierarchy, or some warning message should tell the user that it's unsafe,
when using KDE4 apps in Trinity.
There have been a lot of warnings on this list. 
10:04 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Terribly buggy
(It's a pity that Amarok-KDE4 won't run with
Trinity, because it's
amazing!
For instance, it will automagically download the lyrics of the song you're
listening, and display it... This works about half the time, even for my
non-
mainstream taste in music...)
KMail-KDE4 almost works. It crashes when it is restarted by the session
manager, but otherwise... Guess I should play it safe, and go to KMail-
Trinity.
The mess with all the bugs I've encountered, seems to come from the KDE4
applications which are run under Trinity.
<snip>
Do these same applications crash when run under KDE4? Or, for that
matter, Gnome or XFCE? Remember the Trinity project was started, in part,
due to the seemingly inherent bugginess of KDE4 and its associated
applications...
Tim
10:48 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Terribly buggy
Am Donnerstag 07 April 2011, 00:04:31 schrieb Timothy Pearson:
Do these same applications crash when run under KDE4?
Or, for that
matter, Gnome or XFCE?
I tried Amarok under KDE4 and Gnome. It crashes in both cases.
Remember the Trinity project was started, in part,
due to the seemingly inherent bugginess of KDE4 and its associated
applications...
They have (sometimes) good crash handling und bug reporting provisions. It
must get stable some day in the (far) future... :->
Bye,
Volker
11:40 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Terribly buggy
On Wednesday 06 April 2011 02:48:25 pm Volker Wysk wrote:
Am Donnerstag 07 April 2011, 00:04:31 schrieb Timothy
Pearson:
AFAIK, KDE-Trinity is also for those who don't want to upgrade/use KDE4, this is
the case with me . I don't know how well supported running both versions in
parallel is, it may depend on which distro you use. Trinity is rock solid on
Debian Squeeze, as long as I run the Trinity DE. Trinity apps can have issues
when running under a different DE or WM, in my experience, Windowmaker.
On Debian squeeze I use Okular from KDE4, Debians dependency matrix pulls in
a 'ton' of KDE4 stuff, aka libs and such, just to run one app. I have lots of
hardware resources so I don't mind... as long as nothing affects my Trinity
install. Don't use amarok so no experience there.
--
Peace,
Greg
Do these same applications crash when run under
KDE4? Or, for that
matter, Gnome or XFCE?
I tried Amarok under KDE4 and Gnome. It crashes in both cases.
Remember the Trinity project was started, in
part,
due to the seemingly inherent bugginess of KDE4 and its associated
applications...
They have (sometimes) good crash handling und bug reporting provisions. It
must get stable some day in the (far) future... :->
4 Apr
4 Apr
2:10 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Terribly buggy
<snip>
- I can't set the screen's resolution, refresh
rate, or gamma value. It
used
to be configurable via the control center, but the controls disappeared
from
there. You can use System/KRandRTray to set the resolution and refresh
rate,
but it won't remember the setting.
</snip>
Just a quick comment here; the module you describe was never part of the
upstream KDE sources. Instead, it was provided by Ubuntu as part of a
failed attempt at a monitor/Xorg configuration utility. The biggest
problem with it is that it was written solely in Python, was therefore
somewhat slow, and additionally we have no Python devs here to fix it/keep
it up to date.
I would strongly suggest the addition of similar functionality to
libkrandr (should be somewhat simple), and then the addition of a simple,
persistent randr settings manager to kcontrol. I may even do this in the
future provided I have enough time. :)
Tim
5 Apr
5 Apr
4:33 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Terribly buggy
Am Montag 04 April 2011, 16:10:03 schrieb Timothy Pearson:
Just a quick comment here; the module you describe was
never part of the
upstream KDE sources. Instead, it was provided by Ubuntu as part of a
failed attempt at a monitor/Xorg configuration utility.
Why failed? It worked perfectly fine for me, before it disappeared from the
control center.
[...]
I may even do this in the
future provided I have enough time. :)
Transcribing the Python source to C or C++ might actually be the fastest and
safest way to do it (or parts of it). The Python sources are debuged already.
I don't know Python, but I guess it's probably readable, even if you don't
know how to program in it.
So how do I get that Ubuntu-Python screen control back? Should I reinstall
something? I don't know what I've done before it disappeared. It just wasn't
there any longer.
Bye,
Volker
14 Apr
14 Apr
8:44 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Terribly buggy
Hello
Does anybody have an idea how to get that screen control center module back?
It disappeared silently from my installation.
On Tuesday 05 April 2011 06:33:26 Volker Wysk wrote:
So how do I get that Ubuntu-Python screen control
back? Should I reinstall
something? I don't know what I've done before it disappeared. It just
wasn't there any longer.
Bye
2:58 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Terribly buggy
Hello Volker,
Does anybody have an idea how to get that screen
control center module
back? It disappeared silently from my installation.
In my old Ubuntu 9.10-based system the package is called kde-guidance-kde3. I
believe that's the one you're referring to. It comes with a screen and
display config tool, among others.
Sanne
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