22 Feb
2024
22 Feb
'24
4:38 p.m.
Hello again,
Why when I launch Konqueror as root I receive this message :
"dialogue is impossible with TDElauncher"
Cheers.
André
22 Feb
22 Feb
5:04 p.m.
Anno domini 2024 Thu, 22 Feb 17:38:27 +0100
ajh-valmer via tde-users scripsit:
Hello again,
Why when I launch Konqueror as root I receive this message :
"dialogue is impossible with TDElauncher"
Don't! You'll get ugly sideeffects when you do so.
Nik
Cheers.
André
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On Thursday 22 February 2024 18:04:34 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2024 Thu, 22 Feb 17:38:27 +0100
ajh-valmer via tde-users scripsit:
I never got any bad effects before launching konqueror in root.
It's very practical to edit files that are root owner.
Hello again,
Why when I launch Konqueror as root I receive this message :
"dialogue is impossible with TDElauncher"
Don't! You'll get ugly sideeffects when you do so. 
6:31 p.m.
On Thursday 22 February 2024 10:12:01 ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
Yes, I believe that we had this discussion before. If you launch any
application as root, the best thing is to get in and get out quickly. If you
want to find out whether anything bad will happen by running Konqueror as
root, then we will save you the time and trouble, and say, yes, sooner or
later, bad things happen.
Nik is right: If possible, avoid running any application as root.
Also, however, I will admit that I do the same. (Probably most of us,
including Nik, do the same, now and then.) I sometimes run Konqueror as root,
for a few minutes, in order to do something that would take much more time
and trouble to accomplish by command-line.
It occurs to me to ask how you try to start Konqueror as root. There is an
entry in the start menu to run Konqueror as root. (Also there are clickable
icons for other applications to be run as root.)
Another way to do the same thing is alt-F2, then run the command tdesu
konqueror. The tdesu command works for other applications, too, if you need
to run them as root.
Bill
On Thursday 22 February 2024 18:04:34 Dr. Nikolaus
Klepp via tde-users
wrote:
Anno domini
2024 Thu, 22 Feb 17:38:27 +0100
ajh-valmer via tde-users scripsit:
I never got any bad effects before launching konqueror in root.
It's very practical to edit files that are root owner. Hello again,
Why when I launch Konqueror as root I receive this message :
"dialogue is impossible with TDElauncher"
Don't! You'll get ugly sideeffects when you do so. 
29 May
29 May
3:47 a.m.
On Thursday 22 February 2024 12:31:15 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Thursday 22 February 2024 10:12:01 ajh-valmer via
tde-users wrote:
Yes, I believe that we had this discussion before. If you launch any
application as root, the best thing is to get in and get out quickly. If
you want to find out whether anything bad will happen by running Konqueror
as root, then we will save you the time and trouble, and say, yes, sooner
or later, bad things happen.
Nik is right: If possible, avoid running any application as root.
Also, however, I will admit that I do the same. (Probably most of us,
including Nik, do the same, now and then.) I sometimes run Konqueror as
root, for a few minutes, in order to do something that would take much more
time and trouble to accomplish by command-line.
It occurs to me to ask how you try to start Konqueror as root. There is an
entry in the start menu to run Konqueror as root. (Also there are clickable
icons for other applications to be run as root.)
Another way to do the same thing is alt-F2, then run the command tdesu
konqueror. The tdesu command works for other applications, too, if you need
to run them as root.
Bill
Right there in Kmenu, under System, is Konqueror - File Manager - Super User
Mode.
Leslie
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On Thursday 22 February 2024 18:04:34 Dr.
Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users
wrote:
Anno
domini 2024 Thu, 22 Feb 17:38:27 +0100
ajh-valmer via tde-users scripsit:
I never got any bad effects before launching konqueror in root.
It's very practical to edit files that are root owner. Hello again,
Why when I launch Konqueror as root I receive this message :
"dialogue is impossible with TDElauncher"
Don't! You'll get ugly sideeffects when you do so. 
3:52 a.m.
On 5/28/24 23:47, J Leslie Turriff via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
Right there in Kmenu, under System, is Konqueror -
File Manager - Super User
Mode.
I've always replaced it with Kommander in SU mode, so I never accidentally mistake one
for the other.
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On 5/28/24 23:47, J Leslie Turriff via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
On Thursday 22 February 2024 12:31:15 William Morder
via tde-users wrote:
On Thursday 22 February 2024 10:12:01 ajh-valmer
via tde-users wrote:
Yes, I believe that we had this discussion before. If you launch any
application as root, the best thing is to get in and get out quickly. If
you want to find out whether anything bad will happen by running Konqueror
as root, then we will save you the time and trouble, and say, yes, sooner
or later, bad things happen.
Nik is right: If possible, avoid running any application as root.
Also, however, I will admit that I do the same. (Probably most of us,
including Nik, do the same, now and then.) I sometimes run Konqueror as
root, for a few minutes, in order to do something that would take much more
time and trouble to accomplish by command-line.
It occurs to me to ask how you try to start Konqueror as root. There is an
entry in the start menu to run Konqueror as root. (Also there are clickable
icons for other applications to be run as root.)
Another way to do the same thing is alt-F2, then run the command tdesu
konqueror. The tdesu command works for other applications, too, if you need
to run them as root.
Bill
Right there in Kmenu, under System, is Konqueror - File Manager - Super User
Mode.
Leslie
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On Thursday 22 February 2024 18:04:34 Dr.
Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users
wrote:
Anno
domini 2024 Thu, 22 Feb 17:38:27 +0100
ajh-valmer via tde-users scripsit:
> Hello again,
>
> Why when I launch Konqueror as root I receive this message :
> "dialogue is impossible with TDElauncher"
Don't! You'll get ugly sideeffects when you do so.
I never got any bad effects before launching konqueror in root.
It's very practical to edit files that are root owner. 
6:30 a.m.
> if you want to find out whether anything bad will
happen by running
> Konqueror as root, then we will save you the time and trouble, and say,
> yes, sooner or later, bad things happen.
I always find this sort of declaration a little exagerated, and funnily no one
ever seems to answer: "why?"
To me there is little difference between running an app with sudo and running
it as root. If I need to do a lot of work as root, I just log in as root (and
I've set up the root desktop with ugly, flashy colours so that I know I'm
there). Letting you login as root with a GUI is a nice thing of TDE.
Of course no one should "live" as root (although I did that for one year when
learning how to use Linux, but that was not a "production" machine), but why
make people believe that as soon as they are root, they are doomed?
People live as root on Windows machines and while this is a dangerous thing,
bad things don't always happen.
I just feel that this "never run Linux as root" is some religious mantra, and
who does not respect it is an heretic.
Thierry
7:12 a.m.
Anno domini 2024 Wed, 29 May 08:30:20 +0200
Thierry de Coulon via tde-users scripsit:
Easiest scenario: Some programs use $USER to find their config file location. You run that
program as root. Now you have a problem that you don't know about.
> if you
want to find out whether anything bad will happen by running
> Konqueror as root, then we will save you the time and trouble, and say,
> yes, sooner or later, bad things happen.
I always find this sort of declaration a little exagerated, and funnily no one
ever seems to answer: "why?" To me there is little difference between running an
app with sudo and running
it as root. If I need to do a lot of work as root, I just log in as root (and
I've set up the root desktop with ugly, flashy colours so that I know I'm
there). Letting you login as root with a GUI is a nice thing of TDE.
Of course no one should "live" as root (although I did that for one year when
learning how to use Linux, but that was not a "production" machine), but why
make people believe that as soon as they are root, they are doomed?
People live as root on Windows machines and while this is a dangerous thing,
bad things don't always happen.
I just feel that this "never run Linux as root" is some religious mantra, and
who does not respect it is an heretic.
Oh ... this is how flame wars started more than 20 years ago :)
Remember Bastard Operator From Hell? http://bofharchive.com
Nik
Thierry
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On Wednesday 29 May 2024 00:12:38 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2024 Wed, 29 May 08:30:20 +0200
Thierry de Coulon via tde-users scripsit:
Easiest scenario: Some programs use $USER to find their config file
location. You run that program as root. Now you have a problem that you
don't know about.
> To me there is little difference between running an app with sudo and
> running it as root. If I need to do a lot of work as root, I just log in
> as root (and I've set up the root desktop with ugly, flashy colours so
> that I know I'm there). Letting you login as root with a GUI is a nice
> thing of TDE.
>
> Of course no one should "live" as root (although I did that for one year
> when learning how to use Linux, but that was not a "production" machine),
> but why make people believe that as soon as they are root, they are
> doomed?
>
> People live as root on Windows machines and while this is a dangerous
> thing, bad things don't always happen.
>
> I just feel that this "never run Linux as root" is some religious mantra,
> and who does not respect it is an heretic.
> Thierry
If you recall, there were some earlier threads, started by the same person,
asking the same question; thus my answer.
I did not say, NEVER, never, ever, under any circumstances whatsoever ...
Besides, as I pointed out earlier in that thread, I sometimes do the same, run
konqueror or another program as root, because it is easier to perform some
tasks. As
I mention there, Nik, too, (I feel sure) sometimes runs a program as root; and
he is the person who first objected to running konqueror as root.
I was taking up a less extreme position, saying that it is just common sense:
don't live as root. Get in and get out. Don't leave a root process open and
available to anybody who might somehow, by whatever means, gain access to
your machine.
> if
you want to find out whether anything bad will happen by running
> Konqueror as root, then we will save you the time and trouble, and
> say, yes, sooner or later, bad things happen.
I always find this sort of declaration a little exagerated, and funnily
no one ever seems to answer: "why?"
Oh ... this is how flame wars started more than 20 years ago :)
Remember Bastard Operator From Hell? http://bofharchive.com
Nik
Well, just as long as nobody mentions Nazis or Hitler or fascists, then the
TDE mailing list is safe from that kind of embarrassment.
;-)
Bill
7:49 a.m.
Anno domini 2024 Wed, 29 May 00:44:00 -0700
William Morder via tde-users scripsit:
[...]
I was taking up a less extreme position, saying that it is just common sense:
don't live as root. Get in and get out. Don't leave a root process open and
available to anybody who might somehow, by whatever means, gain access to
your machine.
You recognize a good flame war when Neuschwabenland comes up :)
Oh ... this is how flame wars started more than 20 years ago :)
Remember Bastard Operator From Hell? http://bofharchive.com
Nik
Well, just as long as nobody mentions Nazis or Hitler or fascists, then the
TDE mailing list is safe from that kind of embarrassment.
;-)
Bill
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New subject: [HS] Konqueror
On Wednesday 29 May 2024 09:49:32 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
You recognize a good flame war when Neuschwabenland
comes up :)
Olympic torch has been invented by the Nazis,
during the Olympic games in 1936 in Berlin,
and is used by the KKK after.
On the other hand, the Olympic flame was used in Greece
during the antiquity but never an Olympic torch.
The torch as symbol is dangerous.
8:51 p.m.
New subject: [HS] Konqueror
ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
On the other hand, the Olympic flame was used in
Greece
during the antiquity but never an Olympic torch.
The torch as symbol is dangerous.
so dangerous that a trans in france is going to bring it to the end.
seems like nothing's left from the Enlightment - heading to new dark age
seems to be the trend
9:42 p.m.
New subject: [HS] Konqueror
Anno domini 2024 Wed, 29 May 22:51:23 +0200
deloptes via tde-users scripsit:
ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
oh my, there was a well loved song in austrian military ... It was sung especially lound
and atonal when beeing near a church. And it was forboten to be sung in the holy country
of tyrol winter olympics 1964, 'cause there were complaints from strong beleviers that
is not acceptable to sing such songs in the middle of night while preparing the ski slopes
on the mountains :) well, here it goes ...
We are the vulture's black horde, heia hoho,
and we want to fight with tyrants, heia hoho.
Chorus: Spear first, on and on,
put the red rooster on the monastery roof!
We want to complain to the Lord in heaven, kyrieleys,
that we are not allowed to kill the priest, kyrieleys.
Chorus: Spear first, on and on,
put the red rooster on the monastery roof!
etc etc ... you find it here if you wat the whole text
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wir_sind_des_Geyers_schwarzer_Haufen or sung with omitting
the atonal parts ... which makes it a bit too civilized ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dg3yfO7RdI
... so torches have ther value in deed.
Nik
On the other hand, the Olympic flame was used in
Greece
during the antiquity but never an Olympic torch.
The torch as symbol is dangerous.
so dangerous that a trans in france is going to bring it to the end.
seems like nothing's left from the Enlightment - heading to new dark age
seems to be the trend
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On Wed, 29 May 2024 09:12:38 +0200
"Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users" <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
Anno domini 2024 Wed, 29 May 08:30:20 +0200
Thierry de Coulon via tde-users scripsit:
Easiest scenario: Some programs use $USER to find their config file location. You run
that program as root. Now you have a problem that you don't know about.
I've never had an issue of that sort even once in ~20 years with KDE3 and TDE,
and I invoke enough GUI programs through su sessions that if it were going to
happen I would have expected to see it by now. Root's configuration always
saves under /root as intended, without polluting my regular user, and the software
has no trouble figuring out which config to use. And yet other people on this list
do seem to have such issues, which leads me to believe it relates to something
in the setup of Debian-descended distros. Or it's specific to one or two pieces
of TDE that I don't use.
E. Liddell
> if
you want to find out whether anything bad will happen by running
> Konqueror as root, then we will save you the time and trouble, and say,
> yes, sooner or later, bad things happen.
I always find this sort of declaration a little exagerated, and funnily no one
ever seems to answer: "why?"
10:37 p.m.
On Wednesday 29 May 2024 06:30:05 E. Liddell via tde-users wrote:
On Wed, 29 May 2024 09:12:38 +0200
"Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users" <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
Yes. I've never seen that problem on openSUSE, and since I started using it
(at version 6, IIRC), there has never been a restriction about using root in
a GUI or a non-root terminal session, or invoking e.g. YaST2 GUI from a
non-root session. KDE (and TDE too) have the feature built into the menu
editor to designate that an application should be run by a different user; if
Run as a different user is checked and no Username is filled in, root is
assumed. (See attached.)
Leslie
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Anno domini 2024 Wed, 29 May 08:30:20 +0200
Thierry de Coulon via tde-users scripsit:
Easiest scenario: Some programs use $USER to find their config file
location. You run that program as root. Now you have a problem that you
don't know about.
I've never had an issue of that sort even once in ~20 years with KDE3 and
TDE, and I invoke enough GUI programs through su sessions that if it were
going to happen I would have expected to see it by now. Root's
configuration always saves under /root as intended, without polluting my
regular user, and the software has no trouble figuring out which config to
use. And yet other people on this list do seem to have such issues, which
leads me to believe it relates to something in the setup of
Debian-descended distros. Or it's specific to one or two pieces of TDE
that I don't use.
E. Liddell > if
you want to find out whether anything bad will happen by running
> Konqueror as root, then we will save you the time and trouble, and
> say, yes, sooner or later, bad things happen.
I always find this sort of declaration a little exagerated, and funnily
no one ever seems to answer: "why?" 
10:41 p.m.
On 5/29/24 18:37, J Leslie Turriff via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
Yes. I've never seen that problem on openSUSE,
and since I started using it
(at version 6, IIRC), there has never been a restriction about using root in
a GUI or a non-root terminal session, or invoking e.g. YaST2 GUI from a
non-root session. KDE (and TDE too) have the feature built into the menu
editor to designate that an application should be run by a different user; if
Run as a different user is checked and no Username is filled in, root is
assumed.
No more "set xhost + localhost"?
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On Wednesday 29 May 2024 06:30:05 E. Liddell via
tde-users wrote:
On Wed, 29 May 2024 09:12:38 +0200
"Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users" <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
Yes. I've never seen that problem on openSUSE, and since I started using it
(at version 6, IIRC), there has never been a restriction about using root in
a GUI or a non-root terminal session, or invoking e.g. YaST2 GUI from a
non-root session. KDE (and TDE too) have the feature built into the menu
editor to designate that an application should be run by a different user; if
Run as a different user is checked and no Username is filled in, root is
assumed. (See attached.)
Leslie
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Thierry de Coulon via tde-users scripsit:
I've never had an issue of that sort even once in ~20 years with KDE3 and
TDE, and I invoke enough GUI programs through su sessions that if it were
going to happen I would have expected to see it by now. Root's
configuration always saves under /root as intended, without polluting my
regular user, and the software has no trouble figuring out which config to
use. And yet other people on this list do seem to have such issues, which
leads me to believe it relates to something in the setup of
Debian-descended distros. Or it's specific to one or two pieces of TDE
that I don't use.
E. Liddell > > if you want to find out whether
anything bad will happen by running
> > Konqueror as root, then we will save you the time and trouble, and
> > say, yes, sooner or later, bad things happen.
I always find this sort of declaration a little exagerated, and funnily
no one ever seems to answer: "why?"
Easiest scenario: Some programs use $USER to find their config file
location. You run that program as root. Now you have a problem that you
don't know about.
7:46 a.m.
On 5/29/24 02:30, Thierry de Coulon via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
To me there is little difference between running an
app with sudo and running
it as root. If I need to do a lot of work as root, I just log in as root (and
I've set up the root desktop with ugly, flashy colours so that I know I'm
there). Letting you login as root with a GUI is a nice thing of TDE.
Maybe others here remember KDE 1.x. Root KDE was *gastly* -- bright red desktop, lots of
black and yellow. Hurt the eyes. Made you want to do your business and go home as soon as
possible.
Started my lifelong love of Miguel de Icaza's Midnight Commander. Sudo mc has saved me
a multitude of times, and when I have to alt-f1 is is almost immediately followed by mc.
It is always the first thing I add to a new install. And it was the ugliness of KDE as
root that herded me to it.
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8:39 a.m.
On Wednesday 29 May 2024 01:30:20 Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote:
That's what I do, too. My Root GUI session has magenta background; hard
to
forget where I am. I don't use it often; I prefer a Root session in Konsole
most of the time. (My Root command prompt is also magenta.)
On IBM mainframes, where I cut my teeth, before PCs and terminal emulators
there was no difference in appearance between an ordinary user's account and
the MAINT account (the equivalent of Root) because the terminals were just
green text on black background; so we were really careful to remember what
account we were working with. When emulators became available we could
emulate colour terminals, which helped.
> if you
want to find out whether anything bad will happen by running
> Konqueror as root, then we will save you the time and trouble, and say,
> yes, sooner or later, bad things happen.
I always find this sort of declaration a little exaggerated, and funnily no
one ever seems to answer: "why?"
To me there is little difference between running an app with sudo and
running it as root. If I need to do a lot of work as root, I just log in as
root (and I've set up the root desktop with ugly, flashy colours so that I
know I'm there). Letting you login as root with a GUI is a nice thing of
TDE.
Of course no one should "live" as root (although I did that for one year
when learning how to use Linux, but that was not a "production" machine),
but why make people believe that as soon as they are root, they are doomed?
People live as root on Windows machines and while this is a dangerous
thing, bad things don't always happen.
I just feel that this "never run Linux as root" is some religious mantra,
and who does not respect it is an heretic.
Sometimes there are things that are
just difficult to do using sudo.
Thierry
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22 Feb
22 Feb
10:04 p.m.
New subject: Konqueror TDElauncher
On Thursday 22 February 2024 17:38:27 ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
Why when I launch Konqueror as root I receive this
message :
"dialogue is impossible with TDElauncher" :
Rebooting Debian, this message disappears.
Thanks for your help, Cheers.
André
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