Hello again,
Why when I launch Konqueror as root I receive this message : "dialogue is impossible with TDElauncher"
Cheers. André
Anno domini 2024 Thu, 22 Feb 17:38:27 +0100 ajh-valmer via tde-users scripsit:
Hello again,
Why when I launch Konqueror as root I receive this message : "dialogue is impossible with TDElauncher"
Don't! You'll get ugly sideeffects when you do so.
Nik
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On Thursday 22 February 2024 18:04:34 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2024 Thu, 22 Feb 17:38:27 +0100 ajh-valmer via tde-users scripsit:
Hello again,
Why when I launch Konqueror as root I receive this message : "dialogue is impossible with TDElauncher"
Don't! You'll get ugly sideeffects when you do so.
I never got any bad effects before launching konqueror in root. It's very practical to edit files that are root owner.
On Thursday 22 February 2024 10:12:01 ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
On Thursday 22 February 2024 18:04:34 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users
wrote:
Anno domini 2024 Thu, 22 Feb 17:38:27 +0100
ajh-valmer via tde-users scripsit:
Hello again,
Why when I launch Konqueror as root I receive this message : "dialogue is impossible with TDElauncher"
Don't! You'll get ugly sideeffects when you do so.
I never got any bad effects before launching konqueror in root. It's very practical to edit files that are root owner.
Yes, I believe that we had this discussion before. If you launch any application as root, the best thing is to get in and get out quickly. If you want to find out whether anything bad will happen by running Konqueror as root, then we will save you the time and trouble, and say, yes, sooner or later, bad things happen.
Nik is right: If possible, avoid running any application as root.
Also, however, I will admit that I do the same. (Probably most of us, including Nik, do the same, now and then.) I sometimes run Konqueror as root, for a few minutes, in order to do something that would take much more time and trouble to accomplish by command-line.
It occurs to me to ask how you try to start Konqueror as root. There is an entry in the start menu to run Konqueror as root. (Also there are clickable icons for other applications to be run as root.)
Another way to do the same thing is alt-F2, then run the command tdesu konqueror. The tdesu command works for other applications, too, if you need to run them as root.
Bill
On Thursday 22 February 2024 12:31:15 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Thursday 22 February 2024 10:12:01 ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
On Thursday 22 February 2024 18:04:34 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users
wrote:
Anno domini 2024 Thu, 22 Feb 17:38:27 +0100
ajh-valmer via tde-users scripsit:
Hello again,
Why when I launch Konqueror as root I receive this message : "dialogue is impossible with TDElauncher"
Don't! You'll get ugly sideeffects when you do so.
I never got any bad effects before launching konqueror in root. It's very practical to edit files that are root owner.
Yes, I believe that we had this discussion before. If you launch any application as root, the best thing is to get in and get out quickly. If you want to find out whether anything bad will happen by running Konqueror as root, then we will save you the time and trouble, and say, yes, sooner or later, bad things happen.
Nik is right: If possible, avoid running any application as root.
Also, however, I will admit that I do the same. (Probably most of us, including Nik, do the same, now and then.) I sometimes run Konqueror as root, for a few minutes, in order to do something that would take much more time and trouble to accomplish by command-line.
It occurs to me to ask how you try to start Konqueror as root. There is an entry in the start menu to run Konqueror as root. (Also there are clickable icons for other applications to be run as root.)
Another way to do the same thing is alt-F2, then run the command tdesu konqueror. The tdesu command works for other applications, too, if you need to run them as root.
Bill
Right there in Kmenu, under System, is Konqueror - File Manager - Super User Mode.
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On 5/28/24 23:47, J Leslie Turriff via tde-users users@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
Right there in Kmenu, under System, is Konqueror - File Manager - Super User Mode.
I've always replaced it with Kommander in SU mode, so I never accidentally mistake one for the other.
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-------- Original Message -------- On 5/28/24 23:47, J Leslie Turriff via tde-users users@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
On Thursday 22 February 2024 12:31:15 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Thursday 22 February 2024 10:12:01 ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
On Thursday 22 February 2024 18:04:34 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users
wrote:
Anno domini 2024 Thu, 22 Feb 17:38:27 +0100
ajh-valmer via tde-users scripsit:
Hello again,
Why when I launch Konqueror as root I receive this message : "dialogue is impossible with TDElauncher"
Don't! You'll get ugly sideeffects when you do so.
I never got any bad effects before launching konqueror in root. It's very practical to edit files that are root owner.
Yes, I believe that we had this discussion before. If you launch any application as root, the best thing is to get in and get out quickly. If you want to find out whether anything bad will happen by running Konqueror as root, then we will save you the time and trouble, and say, yes, sooner or later, bad things happen.
Nik is right: If possible, avoid running any application as root.
Also, however, I will admit that I do the same. (Probably most of us, including Nik, do the same, now and then.) I sometimes run Konqueror as root, for a few minutes, in order to do something that would take much more time and trouble to accomplish by command-line.
It occurs to me to ask how you try to start Konqueror as root. There is an entry in the start menu to run Konqueror as root. (Also there are clickable icons for other applications to be run as root.)
Another way to do the same thing is alt-F2, then run the command tdesu konqueror. The tdesu command works for other applications, too, if you need to run them as root.
Bill
Right there in Kmenu, under System, is Konqueror - File Manager - Super User Mode.
Leslie
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if you want to find out whether anything bad will happen by running Konqueror as root, then we will save you the time and trouble, and say, yes, sooner or later, bad things happen.
I always find this sort of declaration a little exagerated, and funnily no one ever seems to answer: "why?"
To me there is little difference between running an app with sudo and running it as root. If I need to do a lot of work as root, I just log in as root (and I've set up the root desktop with ugly, flashy colours so that I know I'm there). Letting you login as root with a GUI is a nice thing of TDE.
Of course no one should "live" as root (although I did that for one year when learning how to use Linux, but that was not a "production" machine), but why make people believe that as soon as they are root, they are doomed?
People live as root on Windows machines and while this is a dangerous thing, bad things don't always happen.
I just feel that this "never run Linux as root" is some religious mantra, and who does not respect it is an heretic.
Thierry
Anno domini 2024 Wed, 29 May 08:30:20 +0200 Thierry de Coulon via tde-users scripsit:
if you want to find out whether anything bad will happen by running Konqueror as root, then we will save you the time and trouble, and say, yes, sooner or later, bad things happen.
I always find this sort of declaration a little exagerated, and funnily no one ever seems to answer: "why?"
Easiest scenario: Some programs use $USER to find their config file location. You run that program as root. Now you have a problem that you don't know about.
To me there is little difference between running an app with sudo and running it as root. If I need to do a lot of work as root, I just log in as root (and I've set up the root desktop with ugly, flashy colours so that I know I'm there). Letting you login as root with a GUI is a nice thing of TDE.
Of course no one should "live" as root (although I did that for one year when learning how to use Linux, but that was not a "production" machine), but why make people believe that as soon as they are root, they are doomed?
People live as root on Windows machines and while this is a dangerous thing, bad things don't always happen.
I just feel that this "never run Linux as root" is some religious mantra, and who does not respect it is an heretic.
Oh ... this is how flame wars started more than 20 years ago :)
Remember Bastard Operator From Hell? http://bofharchive.com
Nik
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On Wednesday 29 May 2024 00:12:38 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2024 Wed, 29 May 08:30:20 +0200
Thierry de Coulon via tde-users scripsit:
if you want to find out whether anything bad will happen by running Konqueror as root, then we will save you the time and trouble, and say, yes, sooner or later, bad things happen.
I always find this sort of declaration a little exagerated, and funnily no one ever seems to answer: "why?"
Easiest scenario: Some programs use $USER to find their config file location. You run that program as root. Now you have a problem that you don't know about.
To me there is little difference between running an app with sudo and running it as root. If I need to do a lot of work as root, I just log in as root (and I've set up the root desktop with ugly, flashy colours so that I know I'm there). Letting you login as root with a GUI is a nice thing of TDE.
Of course no one should "live" as root (although I did that for one year when learning how to use Linux, but that was not a "production" machine), but why make people believe that as soon as they are root, they are doomed?
People live as root on Windows machines and while this is a dangerous thing, bad things don't always happen.
I just feel that this "never run Linux as root" is some religious mantra, and who does not respect it is an heretic. Thierry
If you recall, there were some earlier threads, started by the same person, asking the same question; thus my answer.
I did not say, NEVER, never, ever, under any circumstances whatsoever ...
Besides, as I pointed out earlier in that thread, I sometimes do the same, run konqueror or another program as root, because it is easier to perform some tasks. As
I mention there, Nik, too, (I feel sure) sometimes runs a program as root; and he is the person who first objected to running konqueror as root.
I was taking up a less extreme position, saying that it is just common sense: don't live as root. Get in and get out. Don't leave a root process open and available to anybody who might somehow, by whatever means, gain access to your machine.
Oh ... this is how flame wars started more than 20 years ago :)
Remember Bastard Operator From Hell? http://bofharchive.com
Nik
Well, just as long as nobody mentions Nazis or Hitler or fascists, then the TDE mailing list is safe from that kind of embarrassment.
;-)
Bill
Anno domini 2024 Wed, 29 May 00:44:00 -0700 William Morder via tde-users scripsit:
[...] I was taking up a less extreme position, saying that it is just common sense: don't live as root. Get in and get out. Don't leave a root process open and available to anybody who might somehow, by whatever means, gain access to your machine.
Oh ... this is how flame wars started more than 20 years ago :)
Remember Bastard Operator From Hell? http://bofharchive.com
Nik
Well, just as long as nobody mentions Nazis or Hitler or fascists, then the TDE mailing list is safe from that kind of embarrassment.
You recognize a good flame war when Neuschwabenland comes up :)
;-)
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On Wednesday 29 May 2024 09:49:32 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
You recognize a good flame war when Neuschwabenland comes up :)
Olympic torch has been invented by the Nazis, during the Olympic games in 1936 in Berlin, and is used by the KKK after.
On the other hand, the Olympic flame was used in Greece during the antiquity but never an Olympic torch. The torch as symbol is dangerous.
ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
On the other hand, the Olympic flame was used in Greece during the antiquity but never an Olympic torch. The torch as symbol is dangerous.
so dangerous that a trans in france is going to bring it to the end. seems like nothing's left from the Enlightment - heading to new dark age seems to be the trend
Anno domini 2024 Wed, 29 May 22:51:23 +0200 deloptes via tde-users scripsit:
ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
On the other hand, the Olympic flame was used in Greece during the antiquity but never an Olympic torch. The torch as symbol is dangerous.
so dangerous that a trans in france is going to bring it to the end. seems like nothing's left from the Enlightment - heading to new dark age seems to be the trend
oh my, there was a well loved song in austrian military ... It was sung especially lound and atonal when beeing near a church. And it was forboten to be sung in the holy country of tyrol winter olympics 1964, 'cause there were complaints from strong beleviers that is not acceptable to sing such songs in the middle of night while preparing the ski slopes on the mountains :) well, here it goes ...
We are the vulture's black horde, heia hoho, and we want to fight with tyrants, heia hoho.
Chorus: Spear first, on and on, put the red rooster on the monastery roof!
We want to complain to the Lord in heaven, kyrieleys, that we are not allowed to kill the priest, kyrieleys.
Chorus: Spear first, on and on, put the red rooster on the monastery roof!
etc etc ... you find it here if you wat the whole text https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wir_sind_des_Geyers_schwarzer_Haufen or sung with omitting the atonal parts ... which makes it a bit too civilized ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dg3yfO7RdI
... so torches have ther value in deed.
Nik
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On Wed, 29 May 2024 09:12:38 +0200 "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users" users@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
Anno domini 2024 Wed, 29 May 08:30:20 +0200 Thierry de Coulon via tde-users scripsit:
if you want to find out whether anything bad will happen by running Konqueror as root, then we will save you the time and trouble, and say, yes, sooner or later, bad things happen.
I always find this sort of declaration a little exagerated, and funnily no one ever seems to answer: "why?"
Easiest scenario: Some programs use $USER to find their config file location. You run that program as root. Now you have a problem that you don't know about.
I've never had an issue of that sort even once in ~20 years with KDE3 and TDE, and I invoke enough GUI programs through su sessions that if it were going to happen I would have expected to see it by now. Root's configuration always saves under /root as intended, without polluting my regular user, and the software has no trouble figuring out which config to use. And yet other people on this list do seem to have such issues, which leads me to believe it relates to something in the setup of Debian-descended distros. Or it's specific to one or two pieces of TDE that I don't use.
E. Liddell
On Wednesday 29 May 2024 06:30:05 E. Liddell via tde-users wrote:
On Wed, 29 May 2024 09:12:38 +0200
"Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users" users@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
Anno domini 2024 Wed, 29 May 08:30:20 +0200
Thierry de Coulon via tde-users scripsit:
if you want to find out whether anything bad will happen by running Konqueror as root, then we will save you the time and trouble, and say, yes, sooner or later, bad things happen.
I always find this sort of declaration a little exagerated, and funnily no one ever seems to answer: "why?"
Easiest scenario: Some programs use $USER to find their config file location. You run that program as root. Now you have a problem that you don't know about.
I've never had an issue of that sort even once in ~20 years with KDE3 and TDE, and I invoke enough GUI programs through su sessions that if it were going to happen I would have expected to see it by now. Root's configuration always saves under /root as intended, without polluting my regular user, and the software has no trouble figuring out which config to use. And yet other people on this list do seem to have such issues, which leads me to believe it relates to something in the setup of Debian-descended distros. Or it's specific to one or two pieces of TDE that I don't use.
E. Liddell
Yes. I've never seen that problem on openSUSE, and since I started using it (at version 6, IIRC), there has never been a restriction about using root in a GUI or a non-root terminal session, or invoking e.g. YaST2 GUI from a non-root session. KDE (and TDE too) have the feature built into the menu editor to designate that an application should be run by a different user; if Run as a different user is checked and no Username is filled in, root is assumed. (See attached.)
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On 5/29/24 18:37, J Leslie Turriff via tde-users users@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
Yes. I've never seen that problem on openSUSE, and since I started using it (at version 6, IIRC), there has never been a restriction about using root in a GUI or a non-root terminal session, or invoking e.g. YaST2 GUI from a non-root session. KDE (and TDE too) have the feature built into the menu editor to designate that an application should be run by a different user; if Run as a different user is checked and no Username is filled in, root is assumed.
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On Wednesday 29 May 2024 06:30:05 E. Liddell via tde-users wrote:
On Wed, 29 May 2024 09:12:38 +0200
"Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users" users@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
Anno domini 2024 Wed, 29 May 08:30:20 +0200
Thierry de Coulon via tde-users scripsit:
if you want to find out whether anything bad will happen by running Konqueror as root, then we will save you the time and trouble, and say, yes, sooner or later, bad things happen.
I always find this sort of declaration a little exagerated, and funnily no one ever seems to answer: "why?"
Easiest scenario: Some programs use $USER to find their config file location. You run that program as root. Now you have a problem that you don't know about.
I've never had an issue of that sort even once in ~20 years with KDE3 and TDE, and I invoke enough GUI programs through su sessions that if it were going to happen I would have expected to see it by now. Root's configuration always saves under /root as intended, without polluting my regular user, and the software has no trouble figuring out which config to use. And yet other people on this list do seem to have such issues, which leads me to believe it relates to something in the setup of Debian-descended distros. Or it's specific to one or two pieces of TDE that I don't use.
E. Liddell
Yes. I've never seen that problem on openSUSE, and since I started using it (at version 6, IIRC), there has never been a restriction about using root in a GUI or a non-root terminal session, or invoking e.g. YaST2 GUI from a non-root session. KDE (and TDE too) have the feature built into the menu editor to designate that an application should be run by a different user; if Run as a different user is checked and no Username is filled in, root is assumed. (See attached.)
Leslie
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On 5/29/24 02:30, Thierry de Coulon via tde-users users@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
To me there is little difference between running an app with sudo and running it as root. If I need to do a lot of work as root, I just log in as root (and I've set up the root desktop with ugly, flashy colours so that I know I'm there). Letting you login as root with a GUI is a nice thing of TDE.
Maybe others here remember KDE 1.x. Root KDE was *gastly* -- bright red desktop, lots of black and yellow. Hurt the eyes. Made you want to do your business and go home as soon as possible.
Started my lifelong love of Miguel de Icaza's Midnight Commander. Sudo mc has saved me a multitude of times, and when I have to alt-f1 is is almost immediately followed by mc. It is always the first thing I add to a new install. And it was the ugliness of KDE as root that herded me to it.
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On Wednesday 29 May 2024 01:30:20 Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote:
if you want to find out whether anything bad will happen by running Konqueror as root, then we will save you the time and trouble, and say, yes, sooner or later, bad things happen.
I always find this sort of declaration a little exaggerated, and funnily no one ever seems to answer: "why?"
To me there is little difference between running an app with sudo and running it as root. If I need to do a lot of work as root, I just log in as root (and I've set up the root desktop with ugly, flashy colours so that I know I'm there). Letting you login as root with a GUI is a nice thing of TDE.
That's what I do, too. My Root GUI session has magenta background; hard to forget where I am. I don't use it often; I prefer a Root session in Konsole most of the time. (My Root command prompt is also magenta.) On IBM mainframes, where I cut my teeth, before PCs and terminal emulators there was no difference in appearance between an ordinary user's account and the MAINT account (the equivalent of Root) because the terminals were just green text on black background; so we were really careful to remember what account we were working with. When emulators became available we could emulate colour terminals, which helped.
Of course no one should "live" as root (although I did that for one year when learning how to use Linux, but that was not a "production" machine), but why make people believe that as soon as they are root, they are doomed?
People live as root on Windows machines and while this is a dangerous thing, bad things don't always happen.
I just feel that this "never run Linux as root" is some religious mantra, and who does not respect it is an heretic.
Sometimes there are things that are just difficult to do using sudo.
Thierry
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On Thursday 22 February 2024 17:38:27 ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
Why when I launch Konqueror as root I receive this message : "dialogue is impossible with TDElauncher" :
Rebooting Debian, this message disappears.
Thanks for your help, Cheers. André
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