27 Jan
2023
27 Jan
'23
5:40 p.m.
Hello,
The french encoding "West European 8859-15" in Kmail,
is not memorized.
So, I have to put it again at each mail sending,
otherwise, Kmail refuses to send the mail.
How to break free of tne encoding ?
Thanks, Cheers,
André
29 Jan
29 Jan
6:45 p.m.
On Friday 27 January 2023 18:40:21 ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
The french encoding "West European 8859-15"
in Kmail,
is not memorized.
So, I have to put it again at each mail sending,
otherwise, Kmail refuses to send the mail.
How to break free the encoding ?
No answer to my question... ?
Idem, no answer too about,
sometimes appears a window DCOP-Server :
"Check that the program dcopserver is working"
Thanks, cheers,
André
10:36 p.m.
On Sun January 29 2023 10:45:46 ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
On Friday 27 January 2023 18:40:21 ajh-valmer via
tde-users wrote:
Hi André,
In KMail / Settings / Configure Kmail / Composer /
/ Charset you can specify a list of character sets
which will be checked in order and the first which
contains all of the characters in the message will
be used.
So try putting iso-8859-15 first in that list.
--Mike
The french encoding "West European
8859-15" in Kmail,
is not memorized.
So, I have to put it again at each mail sending,
otherwise, Kmail refuses to send the mail.
How to break free the encoding ?
No answer to my question... ?
2:56 p.m.
On Monday 30 January 2023 13:36:34 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Mike Bird via tde-users wrote:
> So try putting iso-8859-15 first in that list.
And why not UTF8? This iso encoding is outdated but
can be used as fall back
in such cases where the sender still uses it.
Hello,
Proposed encoding in Kmail are :
automatic , iso-8859-1X , us-ascii , unicode utf8...
Regardless of the choosen encoding, it is not memorized and comes
back to "automatic".
Bye, cheers,
André
3:27 p.m.
On Monday 30 January 2023 15.56:30 ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
Regardless of the choosen encoding, it is not memorized and comes
back to "automatic".
Bye, cheers,
André
I'm afraid this is a local problem. My kmail proposes
UTF-8,iso-8859-1,us-ascii. If I move one to the first place and
click "Apply", next time I start kmail it's still set as first.
Thierry
3:40 p.m.
Anno domini 2023 Mon, 30 Jan 16:27:30 +0100
Thierry de Coulon via tde-users scripsit:
On Monday 30 January 2023 15.56:30 ajh-valmer via
tde-users wrote:
I'd suggest to change the file ownership for all files in the home directory, e.g.:
$ chown andre:andre ~ -R
Might be that this solves your dcop problem, too.
Nik
--
Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA,
CIA ...
Regardless of the choosen encoding, it is not memorized and comes
back to "automatic".
Bye, cheers,
André
I'm afraid this is a local problem. My kmail proposes
UTF-8,iso-8859-1,us-ascii. If I move one to the first place and
click "Apply", next time I start kmail it's still set as first.
Thierry
7:33 p.m.
On Mon January 30 2023 06:56:30 ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
Regardless of the choosen encoding, it is not
memorized and comes
back to "automatic".
Automatic is correct. It means to search the list in the settings
for the first charset which contains all of the characters in your
message.
So if you want to use iso-8859-15 make sure it is first in the
list in settings and, as long as you don't use e.g. chinese characters
your messages will go out in iso-8859-15.
It sounds like you want the option to remain on iso-8859-15 instead
but that is not the way it works. The option you are changing is a
one-time override. For a permanent change just put iso-8859-15 first
in the settings list if that's what you want.
--Mike
13 Feb
13 Feb
10:22 a.m.
New subject: encoding in Kmail never memorized : not solved
On Monday 30 January 2023 15:56:30 André wrote:
On Monday 30 January 2023 13:36:34 deloptes via
tde-users wrote:
> Mike Bird via tde-users wrote:
> > So try putting iso-8859-15 first in that list.
> And why not UTF8? This iso encoding is outdated
but can be used
> as fall back in such cases where the sender still uses it.
Proposed encoding in Kmail are :
automatic , iso-8859-1X , us-ascii , unicode utf8...
Regardless of the choosen encoding, it is not memorized and comes
back to "automatic". André
> chown andre:andre ~ -R
Sorry, problem not solved,
Regardless of the choosen encoding, it is not memorized and comes
back to "automatic" and I'm invited to declare the encoding in kmail,
otherwise the mail is not sended.
Cheers
André
5:24 p.m.
New subject: encoding in Kmail never memorized : not solved
On Mon February 13 2023 02:22:32 ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
Sorry, problem not solved,
Regardless of the choosen encoding, it is not memorized and comes
back to "automatic" and I'm invited to declare the encoding in kmail,
otherwise the mail is not sended.
Could you please provide a screen grab of this invitation?
6:51 p.m.
New subject: encoding in Kmail never memorized : not solved
On Monday 13 February 2023 18:24:42 Mike Bird via tde-users wrote:
On Mon February 13 2023 02:22:32 ajh-valmer via
tde-users wrote:
> Sorry, problem not solved,
> Regardless of the choosen encoding, it is not memorized and comes
> back to "automatic" and I'm invited to declare the encoding in kmail,
> otherwise the mail is not sended.
Could you please provide a screen grab of this
invitation?
See the screenshot attachment.
Translation in english :
"No right encoding has been found for your message
Please choose an encoding in the Options menu"
Impossible to fix an encoding.
Thank you, cheers.
André
6:59 p.m.
New subject: encoding in Kmail never memorized : not solved
On Mon February 13 2023 10:51:04 ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
Translation in english :
"No right encoding has been found for your message
Please choose an encoding in the Options menu"
Impossible to fix an encoding.
Does this happen with an empty message?
If not, can you figure out - perhaps by bisection - which
character in the message is causing this?
9:51 p.m.
New subject: encoding in Kmail never memorized : not solved
On Monday 13 February 2023 19:59:03 Mike Bird via tde-users wrote:
On Mon February 13 2023 10:51:04 ajh-valmer via
tde-users wrote:
This message appears as soon as I open kmail,
and begin to write, the first letter...
Or when I want to send tne mail by the menu "Message",
it depends.
Translation in english :
"No right encoding has been found for your message
Please choose an encoding in the Options menu"
Impossible to fix an encoding.
Does this happen with an empty message?
If not, can you figure out - perhaps by bisection - which
character in the message is causing this?
10:15 p.m.
New subject: encoding in Kmail never memorized : not solved
What please do you have under Settings / Configure KMail / Composer /
/ Charset ?
I have attached mine for comparison.
22 Feb
22 Feb
4:34 p.m.
New subject: encoding in Kmail never memorized : seems solved
On Monday 13 February 2023 23:15:27 Mike Bird via tde-users wrote:
What please do you have under Settings / Configure
KMail / Composer /
/ Charset ?
I have attached mine for comparison.
With the encoding charset indicated in your Composer,
now it seems ok, no error messages...
Thanks Mike, Cheers,
André
30 Jan
30 Jan
12:39 p.m.
ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
sometimes appears a window DCOP-Server :
"Check that the program dcopserver is working"
regarding this, you should do exactly what is asked for.
Then try find out why is this message coming. I mean you have two options
dcopserver is working
dcopserver is not working
How can we know what is going on there. Describe what you are doing.
If it is happening out of nowhere while working or when you start the
system, or when you resume ...
3:02 p.m.
New subject: DCOP
On Monday 30 January 2023 13:39:31 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
regarding this, you should do exactly what is asked
for.
Then try find out why is this message coming. I mean you have two options
dcopserver is working
dcopserver is not working
How can we know what is going on there. Describe what you are doing.
If it is happening out of nowhere while working or when you start the
system, or when you resume ...
I post again my first message :
I receive many times the attached message about DCOP in a window,
when I click on an icon.
# ps aux|grep dcop
andre 988 0.0 0.1 52660 10536 ? S 10:38 0:00 dcopserver
[tdeinit] --nosid --suicide
What to do ?
I'm on Debian Bullseye 64 bits
Cheers
1 Feb
1 Feb
4:29 a.m.
New subject: DCOP
On 2023/01/31 12:02 AM, ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
On Monday 30 January 2023 13:39:31 deloptes via
tde-users wrote:
Hi Andre',
difficult to say for sure.
Is dcopserver functional? i.e. can you interact with it using the CLI dcop client or
KDCOP?
Is the problem happening when you click "any" icon?
Or just a specific icon? What program is being run by the icon? Is it being run as a
different user?
Have you tried creating a new user and test after a reboot and logging in as the new clean
user?
Any strange message in .xsession-errors?
Hope this gives some pointers to further investigate the issue.
Cheers
Michele
regarding this, you should do exactly what is
asked for.
Then try find out why is this message coming. I mean you have two options
dcopserver is working
dcopserver is not working
How can we know what is going on there. Describe what you are doing.
If it is happening out of nowhere while working or when you start the
system, or when you resume ...
I post again my first message :
I receive many times the attached message about DCOP in a window,
when I click on an icon.
# ps aux|grep dcop
andre 988 0.0 0.1 52660 10536 ? S 10:38 0:00 dcopserver
[tdeinit] --nosid --suicide
What to do ?
I'm on Debian Bullseye 64 bits
Cheers
4:44 p.m.
New subject: DCOP
On Wednesday 01 February 2023 05:29:57 Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
On 2023/01/31 12:02 AM, ajh-valmer via tde-users
wrote:
> On Monday 30 January 2023 13:39:31 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
>> Then try find out why is this message coming. I mean you have two options
>> dcopserver is working
>> dcopserver is not working
>> How can we know what is going on there. Describe what you are doing.
>> If it is happening out of nowhere while working or when you start the
>> system, or when you resume ...
Hi Andre', difficult to say for sure.
Is dcopserver functional? i.e. can you interact with it using the CLI
dcop client or KDCOP?
Hello Michele,
# apt-cache search KDCOP
(no answer)
What do you mean by "the CLI dcop client" ?
Is the problem happening when you click
"any" icon?
Or just a specific icon? What program is being run by the icon?
Is it being run as a different user?
Have you tried creating a new user and test after a reboot and
logging in as the new clean user?
Any strange message in .xsession-errors?
Hope this gives some pointers to further investigate the issue.
Michele
It's sometimes and on any icons?
# ps aux|grep dcopserver
andre 974 0.0 0.1 52548 9212 ? S 17:28 0:00 dcopserver
[tdeinit] --nosid --suicide
root 1300 0.0 0.1 52416 9124 ? S 17:410:00 dcopserver
[tdeinit] --nosid --suicide
So, dcopserver seems working but in a strange mode "suicide".
and two times :
What it means ?
# cat .xsession-errors|grep dcopserver
[2023/02/01 17:05:41.833] [dcopserver] DCOP Cleaning up dead connections.
[dcopserver] It looks like dcopserver is already running. If you are sure
and start dcopserver again.
[2023/02/01 17:05:43.402] [dcopserver] DCOP Cleaning up dead connections.
[2023/02/01 17:05:45.588] [dcopserver] DCOP Cleaning up dead connections.
Thanks, Cheers
Andre
8:08 p.m.
New subject: DCOP Menu : sorry, founded
On Wednesday 01 February 2023 20:57:58 you wrote:
On Wednesday 01 February 2023 18:32:26 Michael via
tde-users wrote:
> Lauch KDCOP.
> Menu > System > KDCOP (DCOP Browser)
I don't see any KDCOP (DCOP Browser) in the Menu
> System...
Sorry, founded.
A window opens with many k....... programs (kdcop.png attached),
but no kdcop in the menu.
9:44 p.m.
New subject: DCOP Menu : sorry, founded
ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
A window opens with many k....... programs (kdcop.png
attached),
but no kdcop in the menu.
I was thinking I have posted a reply, but I do not see it - may be I did not
post it at all.
It is hard to say for sure as Michele said, but this error message is coming
from a function in tdelibs/dcop/KDE-ICE/process.c at line 985
if ((*iceConn->listen_obj->host_based_auth_proc) (hostname))
...
else
{
_IceErrorAuthenticationRejected (iceConn,
ICE_ConnectionSetup, "None of the authentication
protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed");
iceConn->connection_status = IceConnectRejected;
}
so IMO it must be something hostname related (assuming everything else is
kosher). Could be of course ICE related too.
BR
10:04 p.m.
New subject: DCOP Menu : sorry, founded
On Wednesday 01 February 2023 22:44:02 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
I was thinking I have posted a reply, but I do not see
it - may be I did not
post it at all.
It is hard to say for sure as Michele said, but this error message is coming
from a function in tdelibs/dcop/KDE-ICE/process.c at line 985
if ((*iceConn->listen_obj->host_based_auth_proc) (hostname))
else
{
_IceErrorAuthenticationRejected (iceConn,
ICE_ConnectionSetup, "None of the authentication
protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed");
iceConn->connection_status = IceConnectRejected;
}
so IMO it must be something hostname related (assuming everything else is
kosher). Could be of course ICE related too.
Yes, but it doesn't help me and no answer about :
# ps aux|grep dcop
andre 974 0.0 0.1 52680 10248 ? S 17:28 0:00 dcopserver
[tdeinit] --nosid --suicide
Why this process has "--suicide" ?
:-))
2 Feb
2 Feb
7:59 a.m.
New subject: DCOP Menu : sorry, founded
ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
Yes, but it doesn't help me and no answer about :
Should I check your internet configuration to say if you have DNS issues?
# ps aux|grep dcop
andre 974 0.0 0.1 52680 10248 ? S 17:28 0:00 dcopserver
[tdeinit] --nosid --suicide
Why this process has "--suicide" ?
man dcopserver
should I read the man for you? it means run single instance, so it is ok.
basically it looks ok. there is obviously communication problem and it
points to hostname or somehow the protocol - or whatever
I think you should force your brain cells a little bit more on your own.
(And I do not mean it in negative way - it is your computer system that is
having issues)
BR
7:05 p.m.
New subject: DCOP Menu : sorry, founded
On Thursday 02 February 2023 16:47:19 deloptes wrote:
>> [tdeinit] --nosid --suicide :
--nosid Do not create a new session for the
program.
--suicide Tell dcopserver to automatically terminate if no transactions are
made within 10 seconds.
Ok, good, thanks.
1 Feb
1 Feb
5:37 p.m.
New subject: DCOP
On Wednesday 01 February 2023 10:44:41 am ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
# apt-cache search KDCOP
(no answer)
Also you need to search for the right thing...
michael@local [~]# which dcop
/opt/trinity/bin/dcop
michael@local [~]# dpkg -S /opt/trinity/bin/kdcop
tdebase-trinity-bin: /opt/trinity/bin/kdcop
michael@local [~]# apt-cache search tdebase-trinity-bin
tdebase-trinity-bin - core binaries for the TDE base module
7:54 p.m.
New subject: DCOP
On Wednesday 01 February 2023 18:37:44 Michael via tde-users wrote:
On Wednesday 01 February 2023 10:44:41 am ajh-valmer
via tde-users wrote:
dcop seems correctly installed.
# ps aux|grep dcop
andre 974 0.0 0.1 52680 10248 ? S 17:28 0:00 dcopserver
[tdeinit] --nosid --suicide :
Why this strange process "--suicide" ?
# kill -9 974
the session is stopped and restarted,
with the same processus "--suicide" .
Bye, cheers,
Andre
# apt-cache search KDCOP
(no answer)
Also you need to search for the right thing...
michael@local [~]# which dcop
/opt/trinity/bin/dcop
michael@local [~]# dpkg -S /opt/trinity/bin/kdcop
tdebase-trinity-bin: /opt/trinity/bin/kdcop
michael@local [~]# apt-cache search tdebase-trinity-bin
tdebase-trinity-bin - core binaries for the TDE base module 
10:30 p.m.
New subject: DCOP
On Wed, 1 Feb 2023 20:54:53 +0100
ajh-valmer via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
On Wednesday 01 February 2023 18:37:44 Michael via
tde-users wrote:
The --suicide option appears to be normal:
ryu ~ # ps -ef | grep dcop
eliddell 3391 1 0 2022 ? 00:00:03 dcopserver [tdeinit] --nosid --suicide
Apparently I didn't install the manpage, but https://manpages.org/dcopserver says:
--suicide : Tell dcopserver to automatically terminate if no transactions are made
within 10 seconds.
So it's unlikely that that is the source of your issue.
A web search on the text of your full error suggests that the problem is with
(t)qt session management. Most straightforward remedy suggested is to issue
this at the command line:
unset SESSION_MANAGER
You may also (judging from other hits) have a broken dbus, iceauth, or some
other messaging or auth problem.
E. Liddell
On Wednesday 01 February 2023 10:44:41 am
ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
dcop seems correctly installed.
# ps aux|grep dcop
andre 974 0.0 0.1 52680 10248 ? S 17:28 0:00 dcopserver
[tdeinit] --nosid --suicide :
Why this strange process "--suicide" ?
# kill -9 974
the session is stopped and restarted,
with the same processus "--suicide" . # apt-cache search KDCOP
(no answer)
Also you need to search for the right thing...
michael@local [~]# which dcop
/opt/trinity/bin/dcop
michael@local [~]# dpkg -S /opt/trinity/bin/kdcop
tdebase-trinity-bin: /opt/trinity/bin/kdcop
michael@local [~]# apt-cache search tdebase-trinity-bin
tdebase-trinity-bin - core binaries for the TDE base module
2 Feb
2 Feb
2:07 p.m.
New subject: DCOP
On Wednesday 01 February 2023 23:30:28 E. Liddell wrote:
The --suicide option appears to be normal:
ryu ~ # ps -ef | grep dcop
eliddell 3391 1 0 2022 ? 00:00:03 dcopserver [tdeinit] --nosid --suicide
Apparently I didn't install the manpage, but https://manpages.org/dcopserver
says:
--suicide : Tell dcopserver to automatically terminate if no transactions
are made within 10 seconds.
So it's unlikely that that is the source of your issue.
A web search on the text of your full error suggests that the problem is
with
(t)qt session management. Most straightforward remedy suggested is to issue
this at the command line:
unset SESSION_MANAGER
You may also (judging from other hits) have a broken dbus, iceauth, or some
other messaging or auth problem.
E. Liddell
This was the first GOOD action to do.
Well done, now I am reassured,
this processus was not dangerous.
Thank you Mister Liddle.
André
8:29 a.m.
New subject: DCOP
On Mon January 30 2023 07:02:59 ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
I post again my first message :
I receive many times the attached message about DCOP in a window,
when I click on an icon.
...
I'm on Debian Bullseye 64 bits
Just to be clear, does this happen when you click on:
(1) only a particular icon
(2) some particular icons but not all icons
(3) every icon
and
(a) only in a particular context (e.g. konqueror, T menu, ...)
(b) some particular contexts but not all contexts
(c) every context
and
(A) sometimes randomly (roughly how often?)
(B) always
and
(X) Would you say there is anything unusual about your setup - especially
as relates to AAA (authentication, authorization, and accounting) or
to hostname/DNS/YP/NIS/etc lookups?
and
(Y) Am I correct in assuming (from your KMail version) that you are
running Trinity R14.0.13?
and
(Z) Do you have any other potentially relevant information to share?
--Mike
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