This is directed mostly to Nik (since I've heard him mention both Devuan and VLC); but also to anybody else who might have some inkling what is causing this issue.
VLC is (or would be) my media player of choice on most of my machines or devices. I use it on my smartphone, and don't need anything else to play music, movies, stream videos or radio. (I've tried other media players, yes, but they are all inadequate by comparison, at least for my own needs.) So many good things to say about VLC ... until about a year or two ago.
Ever since Jessie it will start up, but then immediately crashes. I've gone through looking for conflicts, but nothing obvious jumps out at me.
Any suggestions about where to look, or what might be causing such an issue?
Bill
Hi Bill
the only thing I can think of is, purge all settings, config, cache etc. and try again from the command line. See what it pops out.
If you are up to it, grab the source code and build it. If you get it working like that, that means the deb package is likely faulty somehow.
Kate
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On Thursday 18 June 2020 15:28:46 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
This is directed mostly to Nik (since I've heard him mention both Devuan and VLC); but also to anybody else who might have some inkling what is causing this issue.
VLC is (or would be) my media player of choice on most of my machines or devices. I use it on my smartphone, and don't need anything else to play music, movies, stream videos or radio. (I've tried other media players, yes, but they are all inadequate by comparison, at least for my own needs.) So many good things to say about VLC ... until about a year or two ago.
Ever since Jessie it will start up, but then immediately crashes. I've gone through looking for conflicts, but nothing obvious jumps out at me.
Any suggestions about where to look, or what might be causing such an issue?
Bill
Hi Bill
the only thing I can think of is, purge all settings, config, cache etc. and try again from the command line. See what it pops out.
If you are up to it, grab the source code and build it. If you get it working like that, that means the deb package is likely faulty somehow.
Kate
Hi Kate!
Yes, I do hate building from source, but I can do it; it's just that there is no single "right" way to do it, so I waste a lot of time futzing with it.
Since I haven't found too much online about similar problems, I would guess that the problem lies not with the deb packages themselves, or it would have been hunted down by now; but I could be wrong.
Regarding a purge of settings: Do you mean using "apt-get purge" or "dpkg --purge"? or do you mean some kind of manual search? My hunch is that the fault may be there, even though I haven't changed anything (not even my socks) since about 2006 or so.
Bill
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‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Thursday, June 18, 2020 3:44 PM, William Morder via trinity-users trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net wrote:
On Thursday 18 June 2020 15:28:46 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
This is directed mostly to Nik (since I've heard him mention both Devuan and VLC); but also to anybody else who might have some inkling what is causing this issue. VLC is (or would be) my media player of choice on most of my machines or devices. I use it on my smartphone, and don't need anything else to play music, movies, stream videos or radio. (I've tried other media players, yes, but they are all inadequate by comparison, at least for my own needs.) So many good things to say about VLC ... until about a year or two ago. Ever since Jessie it will start up, but then immediately crashes. I've gone through looking for conflicts, but nothing obvious jumps out at me. Any suggestions about where to look, or what might be causing such an issue? Bill
Hi Bill the only thing I can think of is, purge all settings, config, cache etc. and try again from the command line. See what it pops out. If you are up to it, grab the source code and build it. If you get it working like that, that means the deb package is likely faulty somehow. Kate
Hi Kate!
Yes, I do hate building from source, but I can do it; it's just that there is no single "right" way to do it, so I waste a lot of time futzing with it.
Since I haven't found too much online about similar problems, I would guess that the problem lies not with the deb packages themselves, or it would have been hunted down by now; but I could be wrong.
Regarding a purge of settings: Do you mean using "apt-get purge" or "dpkg --purge"? or do you mean some kind of manual search? My hunch is that the fault may be there, even though I haven't changed anything (not even my socks) since about 2006 or so.
Bill
Try: login as a new user, make sure member of the "video" group. Or backup then remove the vlc config dir.
"apt purge vlc" works also..less typing 'dpkg" removes one package, has to have the .deb file extension.
greg
On Thursday 18 June 2020 06:01:47 pm gregm wrote:
On Thursday, June 18, 2020 3:44 PM, William Morder via trinity-users
trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net wrote:
On Thursday 18 June 2020 15:28:46 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
This is directed mostly to Nik (since I've heard him mention both Devuan and VLC); but also to anybody else who might have some inkling what is causing this issue. VLC is (or would be) my media player of choice on most of my machines
Try: login as a new user, make sure member of the "video" group. Or backup then remove the vlc config dir.
"apt purge vlc" works also..less typing 'dpkg" removes one package, has to have the .deb file extension.
I'd say go with greg's approach.
- Create a brand new user and try VLC under them. - Re-install vlc with the (--force?) option, so apt completely overwrites everything.
Best, Michael
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On Thursday 18 June 2020, Michael wrote:
On Thursday 18 June 2020 06:01:47 pm gregm wrote:
On Thursday, June 18, 2020 3:44 PM, William Morder via trinity-users
trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net wrote:
On Thursday 18 June 2020 15:28:46 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
This is directed mostly to Nik (since I've heard him mention both Devuan and VLC); but also to anybody else who might have some inkling what is causing this issue. VLC is (or would be) my media player of choice on most of my machines
Try: login as a new user, make sure member of the "video" group. Or backup then remove the vlc config dir.
"apt purge vlc" works also..less typing 'dpkg" removes one package, has to have the .deb file extension.
I'd say go with greg's approach.
- Create a brand new user and try VLC under them.
- Re-install vlc with the (--force?) option, so apt completely overwrites
everything.
Best, Michael
Ah, true. Purge and reload. This sounds like a better deal to try. I would also suggest giving the computer chocolate. Always helps. 0_o.
No but seriously, purge and reload.
Kate
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On Thursday 18 June 2020, William Morder via trinity-users wrote:
On Thursday 18 June 2020 15:28:46 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
This is directed mostly to Nik (since I've heard him mention both Devuan and VLC); but also to anybody else who might have some inkling what is causing this issue.
VLC is (or would be) my media player of choice on most of my machines or devices. I use it on my smartphone, and don't need anything else to play music, movies, stream videos or radio. (I've tried other media players, yes, but they are all inadequate by comparison, at least for my own needs.) So many good things to say about VLC ... until about a year or two ago.
Ever since Jessie it will start up, but then immediately crashes. I've gone through looking for conflicts, but nothing obvious jumps out at me.
Any suggestions about where to look, or what might be causing such an issue?
Bill
Hi Bill
the only thing I can think of is, purge all settings, config, cache etc. and try again from the command line. See what it pops out.
If you are up to it, grab the source code and build it. If you get it working like that, that means the deb package is likely faulty somehow.
Kate
Hi Kate!
Yes, I do hate building from source, but I can do it; it's just that there is no single "right" way to do it, so I waste a lot of time futzing with it.
Since I haven't found too much online about similar problems, I would guess that the problem lies not with the deb packages themselves, or it would have been hunted down by now; but I could be wrong.
Regarding a purge of settings: Do you mean using "apt-get purge" or "dpkg --purge"? or do you mean some kind of manual search? My hunch is that the fault may be there, even though I haven't changed anything (not even my socks) since about 2006 or so.
Bill
No apt anything bad human! No soup for you!
I mean, go to your user directory ~/foo and look for references to vlc. For example...
~/Bill/.vlc ~/Bill/.local/share/vlc ~/Bill/.config/vlc and rename or delete the content of. I would rename.... ~/Bill/.vlc.old ~/Bill/.local/share/vlc.old ~/Bill/.config/vlc.old and let vlc reload those directories/files with clean ones.
Obviously those directories may differ depending on distro and version etc.
You can also try creating a new blank user, login as such and try vlc from there. If it launches then it's definitely a config/settings file problem.
Also try to start vlc as root. It could be a perms problem, though I doubt it.
good luck,
Kate
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On Thursday 18 June 2020 16:40:29 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
On Thursday 18 June 2020, William Morder via trinity-users wrote:
On Thursday 18 June 2020 15:28:46 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
This is directed mostly to Nik (since I've heard him mention both Devuan and VLC); but also to anybody else who might have some inkling what is causing this issue.
VLC is (or would be) my media player of choice on most of my machines or devices. I use it on my smartphone, and don't need anything else to play music, movies, stream videos or radio. (I've tried other media players, yes, but they are all inadequate by comparison, at least for my own needs.) So many good things to say about VLC ... until about a year or two ago.
Ever since Jessie it will start up, but then immediately crashes. I've gone through looking for conflicts, but nothing obvious jumps out at me.
Any suggestions about where to look, or what might be causing such an issue?
Bill
Hi Bill
the only thing I can think of is, purge all settings, config, cache etc. and try again from the command line. See what it pops out.
If you are up to it, grab the source code and build it. If you get it working like that, that means the deb package is likely faulty somehow.
Kate
Hi Kate!
Yes, I do hate building from source, but I can do it; it's just that there is no single "right" way to do it, so I waste a lot of time futzing with it.
Since I haven't found too much online about similar problems, I would guess that the problem lies not with the deb packages themselves, or it would have been hunted down by now; but I could be wrong.
Regarding a purge of settings: Do you mean using "apt-get purge" or "dpkg --purge"? or do you mean some kind of manual search? My hunch is that the fault may be there, even though I haven't changed anything (not even my socks) since about 2006 or so.
Bill
No apt anything bad human! No soup for you!
I mean, go to your user directory ~/foo and look for references to vlc. For example...
~/Bill/.vlc ~/Bill/.local/share/vlc ~/Bill/.config/vlc and rename or delete the content of. I would rename.... ~/Bill/.vlc.old ~/Bill/.local/share/vlc.old ~/Bill/.config/vlc.old and let vlc reload those directories/files with clean ones.
Obviously those directories may differ depending on distro and version etc.
You can also try creating a new blank user, login as such and try vlc from there. If it launches then it's definitely a config/settings file problem.
Also try to start vlc as root. It could be a perms problem, though I doubt it.
good luck,
Kate
Yeah, I keep forgetting about that easy way to bypass these niggling issues: just to create a new user, as gregm and Michael have recommended. I *know* that I can do this, and long ago in the past I used to create new users for troubleshooting purposes, but it has been at least five or six years since I've done it, merely because I haven't had much trouble to shoot, and I live like a hermit monk, so I am always the only user on any of my machines.
I believe, with these recommendations, I will be prepared for my search. Nothing that I didn't already know, I suppose, but it's good to be reminded.
Also ... I was kinda-sorta hoping that somebody might say, "Oh, I know exactly what it is, because ..."; but no such luck there, so the hunt is on.
Thanks for the recommendations, and if anybody else has ideas, I am still listening. I'll let you know of any interesting results.
Bill
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On Thursday 18 June 2020, William Morder via trinity-users wrote:
On Thursday 18 June 2020 16:40:29 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
On Thursday 18 June 2020, William Morder via trinity-users wrote:
On Thursday 18 June 2020 15:28:46 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
This is directed mostly to Nik (since I've heard him mention both Devuan and VLC); but also to anybody else who might have some inkling what is causing this issue.
VLC is (or would be) my media player of choice on most of my machines or devices. I use it on my smartphone, and don't need anything else to play music, movies, stream videos or radio. (I've tried other media players, yes, but they are all inadequate by comparison, at least for my own needs.) So many good things to say about VLC ... until about a year or two ago.
Ever since Jessie it will start up, but then immediately crashes. I've gone through looking for conflicts, but nothing obvious jumps out at me.
Any suggestions about where to look, or what might be causing such an issue?
Bill
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Hi Bill
the only thing I can think of is, purge all settings, config, cache etc. and try again from the command line. See what it pops out.
If you are up to it, grab the source code and build it. If you get it working like that, that means the deb package is likely faulty somehow.
Kate
Hi Kate!
Yes, I do hate building from source, but I can do it; it's just that there is no single "right" way to do it, so I waste a lot of time futzing with it.
Since I haven't found too much online about similar problems, I would guess that the problem lies not with the deb packages themselves, or it would have been hunted down by now; but I could be wrong.
Regarding a purge of settings: Do you mean using "apt-get purge" or "dpkg --purge"? or do you mean some kind of manual search? My hunch is that the fault may be there, even though I haven't changed anything (not even my socks) since about 2006 or so.
Bill
No apt anything bad human! No soup for you!
I mean, go to your user directory ~/foo and look for references to vlc. For example...
~/Bill/.vlc ~/Bill/.local/share/vlc ~/Bill/.config/vlc and rename or delete the content of. I would rename.... ~/Bill/.vlc.old ~/Bill/.local/share/vlc.old ~/Bill/.config/vlc.old and let vlc reload those directories/files with clean ones.
Obviously those directories may differ depending on distro and version etc.
You can also try creating a new blank user, login as such and try vlc from there. If it launches then it's definitely a config/settings file problem.
Also try to start vlc as root. It could be a perms problem, though I doubt it.
good luck,
Kate
Yeah, I keep forgetting about that easy way to bypass these niggling issues: just to create a new user, as gregm and Michael have recommended. I *know* that I can do this, and long ago in the past I used to create new users for troubleshooting purposes, but it has been at least five or six years since I've done it, merely because I haven't had much trouble to shoot, and I live like a hermit monk, so I am always the only user on any of my machines.
I believe, with these recommendations, I will be prepared for my search. Nothing that I didn't already know, I suppose, but it's good to be reminded.
Also ... I was kinda-sorta hoping that somebody might say, "Oh, I know exactly what it is, because ..."; but no such luck there, so the hunt is on.
Thanks for the recommendations, and if anybody else has ideas, I am still listening. I'll let you know of any interesting results.
Bill
Everyone needs reminding, it's called old age. Good luck Bill.
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