Hi all. This is a post to clear up any issues that people might be confused with. We've all agreed to this, so this is now here for reference.
So, let me start of by saying:
TRINITY IS NOT KDE3 (anymore). KDE3 IS DEAD.
And let me go a bit further with that.
We are currently in an alpha stage of porting Trinity to cmake. There is currently the following in usable or finished states:
- tqtinterface - arts - kdelibs - kdebase - kdedevelop
The 3.5.12 tarballs DO NOT have them. I repeat, DO NOT have cmake scripts. You will need to download them from http://thel.ro/ and insert them into the build directory.
We are also in a pre-alpha stage of porting Trinity to Qt4. Before I go any further, let me say:
WE ARE NOT PORTING APPLICATIONS ONE BY ONE TO QT4 (as may have been interpreted before). What we are doing is porting the apps to tqt (a relatively easy thing to do), and then letting tQT handle the Qt version specifics.
tQt for Qt4 has been progressing along for some time, although it is COMPLETELY FAR from stable. If you'd like to see a screenshot from 3.5.13, Tim provides one here: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1586qmp&s=7
I assure you, we are not making another KDE4. We'll leave that junk to the KDE4 developers.
Thank you for taking the time to read this. The Trinity Developers
On 1/25/11, Robert Xu robxu9@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all. This is a post to clear up any issues that people might be confused with. We've all agreed to this, so this is now here for reference.
So, let me start of by saying:
TRINITY IS NOT KDE3 (anymore). KDE3 IS DEAD.
And let me go a bit further with that.
We are currently in an alpha stage of porting Trinity to cmake.
(...)
First of all I welcome this. the KDE team dropped KDE3, we don't need this legacy. What I hope is that we will be able to install Trinity as an alternate UI, and distribution could propose Trinity as a UI choice.
Having to run a separate script to launch Trinity apps is a bit uncomfortable.
Thierry
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 16:38, Thierry de Coulon tdecoulon@gmail.com wrote:
On 1/25/11, Robert Xu robxu9@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all. This is a post to clear up any issues that people might be confused with. We've all agreed to this, so this is now here for reference.
So, let me start of by saying:
TRINITY IS NOT KDE3 (anymore). KDE3 IS DEAD.
And let me go a bit further with that.
We are currently in an alpha stage of porting Trinity to cmake.
(...)
First of all I welcome this. the KDE team dropped KDE3, we don't need this legacy. What I hope is that we will be able to install Trinity as an alternate UI, and distribution could propose Trinity as a UI choice.
TQt - the brains behind Trinity, using Qt3 and (soon) Qt4 to render our Desktop Environment. If any app wanted to, they could start using TQt and then not worry about Qt3 -> Qt4 -> Qt5 changes.
Having to run a separate script to launch Trinity apps is a bit uncomfortable.
You have to run a separate script to launch Trinity apps? I have never had to.
Excellent. That makes things clear. I was wondering where to find the cmake files, i ended up getting things to work from the tarballs on slack current. Love yer work.
J
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Robert Xu robxu9@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 16:38, Thierry de Coulon tdecoulon@gmail.com wrote:
On 1/25/11, Robert Xu robxu9@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all. This is a post to clear up any issues that people might be confused with. We've all agreed to this, so this is now here for reference.
So, let me start of by saying:
TRINITY IS NOT KDE3 (anymore). KDE3 IS DEAD.
And let me go a bit further with that.
We are currently in an alpha stage of porting Trinity to cmake.
(...)
First of all I welcome this. the KDE team dropped KDE3, we don't need this legacy. What I hope is that we will be able to install Trinity as an alternate UI, and distribution could propose Trinity as a UI choice.
TQt - the brains behind Trinity, using Qt3 and (soon) Qt4 to render our Desktop Environment. If any app wanted to, they could start using TQt and then not worry about Qt3 -> Qt4 -> Qt5 changes.
Having to run a separate script to launch Trinity apps is a bit
uncomfortable.
You have to run a separate script to launch Trinity apps? I have never had to.
-- later, Robert Xu
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On 1/25/11, Robert Xu robxu9@gmail.com wrote:
TQt - the brains behind Trinity, using Qt3 and (soon) Qt4 to render our Desktop Environment. If any app wanted to, they could start using TQt and then not worry about Qt3 -> Qt4 -> Qt5 changes.
Interresting. How do one start TQt?
You have to run a separate script to launch Trinity apps? I have never had to.
Well, at the moment I run Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat with Trinity installed _but_ a Gnome/AWN Desktop (actually I recently moved to Ubuntu because Mepis was going KDE 4, and I at first did not trust "K"ubuntu, then for the moment stayed there) I do have a test install of Debian lenny + Trinity, but Debian tends to be a little old in stable.
So, if I try to start a KDE3 (sorry, Trinity :) app I get "the program is not installed". Following some info I start my apps with scripts like:
#!/bin/bash PATH=/opt/kde3/bin:/opt/kde3/games:/opt/kde3/bin:$PATH KDEDIRS=/usr/:/opt/kde3/ KDEHOME=$HOME/.kde3 XDG_DATA_DIRS=/opt/kde3/share/:/usr/share/ MANPATH=/opt/kde3/share/man kalzium
I imagine I should be able to setup these paths somewhere, but did not have time to look where until now.
As I like Mepis better than Ubuntu, I do hope that Trinity will developp to a stage where Warren decides to use it (as he wisely did not take up KDE 4 for a long time).
Thierry
On Jan 26, 2011, at 6:00, Thierry de Coulon tdecoulon@gmail.com wrote:
On 1/25/11, Robert Xu robxu9@gmail.com wrote:
TQt - the brains behind Trinity, using Qt3 and (soon) Qt4 to render our Desktop Environment. If any app wanted to, they could start using TQt and then not worry about Qt3 -> Qt4 -> Qt5 changes.
Interresting. How do one start TQt?
You don't need to start it. The application will automatically call TQt to render its interface. It's been doing that for most 3.5.12 applications...
You have to run a separate script to launch Trinity apps? I have never had to.
Well, at the moment I run Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat with Trinity installed _but_ a Gnome/AWN Desktop (actually I recently moved to Ubuntu because Mepis was going KDE 4, and I at first did not trust "K"ubuntu, then for the moment stayed there) I do have a test install of Debian lenny + Trinity, but Debian tends to be a little old in stable.
So, if I try to start a KDE3 (sorry, Trinity :) app I get "the program is not installed". Following some info I start my apps with scripts like:
#!/bin/bash PATH=/opt/kde3/bin:/opt/kde3/games:/opt/kde3/bin:$PATH KDEDIRS=/usr/:/opt/kde3/ KDEHOME=$HOME/.kde3 XDG_DATA_DIRS=/opt/kde3/share/:/usr/share/ MANPATH=/opt/kde3/share/man kalzium
I imagine I should be able to setup these paths somewhere, but did not have time to look where until now.
Try throwing all these paths into your ~/.bashrc for now. I know that the variables are supposed to be set, so I'd have to look into it more.
As I like Mepis better than Ubuntu, I do hope that Trinity will developp to a stage where Warren decides to use it (as he wisely did not take up KDE 4 for a long time).
More support is always nice :)
On 1/26/11, Serghei Amelian serghei@thel.ro wrote:
On Wednesday 26 January 2011 13:00:48 Thierry de Coulon wrote: [...]
Interresting. How do one start TQt?
If you aren't Trinity developer, don't worry about TQt, is completely transparent for users.
-- Serghei
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I've been googling and found nothing (I think) what is TQT?
Kate
On Jan 26, 2011, at 11:30, Katheryne Draven borgqueen4@gmail.com wrote:
I've been googling and found nothing (I think) what is TQT?
tqtinterface - a behind the scenes package that renders the GUI in Qt3 (or in the instance of TQt for Qt4, renders the GUI in Qt4)
On Wednesday 26 January 2011 02:00:48 am Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On 1/25/11, Robert Xu robxu9@gmail.com wrote:
TQt - the brains behind Trinity, using Qt3 and (soon) Qt4 to render our Desktop Environment. If any app wanted to, they could start using TQt and then not worry about Qt3 -> Qt4 -> Qt5 changes.
Interresting. How do one start TQt?
You have to run a separate script to launch Trinity apps? I have never had to.
Well, at the moment I run Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat with Trinity installed _but_ a Gnome/AWN Desktop (actually I recently moved to Ubuntu because Mepis was going KDE 4, and I at first did not trust "K"ubuntu, then for the moment stayed there) I do have a test install of Debian lenny + Trinity, but Debian tends to be a little old in stable.
So, if I try to start a KDE3 (sorry, Trinity :) app I get "the program is not installed". Following some info I start my apps with scripts like:
#!/bin/bash PATH=/opt/kde3/bin:/opt/kde3/games:/opt/kde3/bin:$PATH KDEDIRS=/usr/:/opt/kde3/ KDEHOME=$HOME/.kde3 XDG_DATA_DIRS=/opt/kde3/share/:/usr/share/ MANPATH=/opt/kde3/share/man kalzium
I imagine I should be able to setup these paths somewhere, but did not have time to look where until now.
i used the 'export' command to set up the environment to run Trinity. The Trinity website used to have instructions on how to do this. The web site has grown, can't find it now.
If you run the Trinity DE you don't need to do this, if you run another WM or DE you do.
On Wednesday 26 January 2011 07:40:31 am Greg Madden wrote:
On Wednesday 26 January 2011 02:00:48 am Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On 1/25/11, Robert Xu robxu9@gmail.com wrote:
TQt - the brains behind Trinity, using Qt3 and (soon) Qt4 to render our Desktop Environment. If any app wanted to, they could start using TQt and then not worry about Qt3 -> Qt4 -> Qt5 changes.
Interresting. How do one start TQt?
You have to run a separate script to launch Trinity apps? I have never had to.
Well, at the moment I run Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat with Trinity installed _but_ a Gnome/AWN Desktop (actually I recently moved to Ubuntu because Mepis was going KDE 4, and I at first did not trust "K"ubuntu, then for the moment stayed there) I do have a test install of Debian lenny + Trinity, but Debian tends to be a little old in stable.
So, if I try to start a KDE3 (sorry, Trinity :) app I get "the program is not installed". Following some info I start my apps with scripts like:
#!/bin/bash PATH=/opt/kde3/bin:/opt/kde3/games:/opt/kde3/bin:$PATH KDEDIRS=/usr/:/opt/kde3/ KDEHOME=$HOME/.kde3 XDG_DATA_DIRS=/opt/kde3/share/:/usr/share/ MANPATH=/opt/kde3/share/man kalzium
I imagine I should be able to setup these paths somewhere, but did not have time to look where until now.
i used the 'export' command to set up the environment to run Trinity. The Trinity website used to have instructions on how to do this. The web site has grown, can't find it now.
If you run the Trinity DE you don't need to do this, if you run another WM or DE you do.
Oops, found my changes, edit your .bashrc, add the export lines there.
export PATH=$PATH:/opt/trinity/bin export KDEDIRS=/opt/trinity/ export KDEHOME=/home/pabi/.trinity export XDG_DATA_DIRS=/opt/trinity/share/:/usr/share/ export MANPATH=/opt/trinity/share/man:/usr/share/man
I believe this is only neccessary if you run another WM or DE. I was using Windowmaker as my WM and using kdepim. The upgrade from Debian Lenny to Squeeze changed this.
Caveat, Trinity runs best using the Trinity desktop. I gave up a long time use of Windowmaker because of little niggly issues trying to have Trinity apps work in Windowmaker as well as kde3 did before.
I am a newbie to to KDE desktop, but have gotten used to it, it is overwhelming with the number of options. I could spend all my time fiddling with the DE, no need to actually do any work ;-)
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