25 Jan
2011
25 Jan
'11
8:34 p.m.
Hi all. This is a post to clear up any issues that people might be
confused with.
We've all agreed to this, so this is now here for reference.
So, let me start of by saying:
TRINITY IS NOT KDE3 (anymore).
KDE3 IS DEAD.
And let me go a bit further with that.
We are currently in an alpha stage of porting Trinity to cmake.
There is currently the following in usable or finished states:
- tqtinterface
- arts
- kdelibs
- kdebase
- kdedevelop
The 3.5.12 tarballs DO NOT have them. I repeat, DO NOT have cmake scripts.
You will need to download them from http://thel.ro/ and insert them
into the build directory.
We are also in a pre-alpha stage of porting Trinity to Qt4.
Before I go any further, let me say:
WE ARE NOT PORTING APPLICATIONS ONE BY ONE TO QT4 (as may have been
interpreted before).
What we are doing is porting the apps to tqt (a relatively easy thing
to do), and then letting tQT handle the Qt version specifics.
tQt for Qt4 has been progressing along for some time, although it is
COMPLETELY FAR from stable.
If you'd like to see a screenshot from 3.5.13, Tim provides one here:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1586qmp&s=7
I assure you, we are not making another KDE4. We'll leave that junk to
the KDE4 developers.
Thank you for taking the time to read this.
The Trinity Developers
25 Jan
25 Jan
9:38 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Clarification announcement!
On 1/25/11, Robert Xu <robxu9(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all. This is a post to clear up any issues that
people might be
confused with.
We've all agreed to this, so this is now here for reference.
So, let me start of by saying:
TRINITY IS NOT KDE3 (anymore).
KDE3 IS DEAD.
And let me go a bit further with that.
We are currently in an alpha stage of porting Trinity to cmake.
(...)
First of all I welcome this. the KDE team dropped KDE3, we don't need
this legacy. What I hope is that we will be able to install Trinity as
an alternate UI, and distribution could propose Trinity as a UI
choice.
Having to run a separate script to launch Trinity apps is a bit uncomfortable.
Thierry
9:42 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Clarification announcement!
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 16:38, Thierry de Coulon <tdecoulon(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/25/11, Robert Xu <robxu9(a)gmail.com> wrote:
TQt - the brains behind Trinity, using Qt3 and (soon) Qt4 to render
our Desktop Environment.
If any app wanted to, they could start using TQt and then not worry
about Qt3 -> Qt4 -> Qt5 changes.
Hi all. This is a post to clear up any issues
that people might be
confused with.
We've all agreed to this, so this is now here for reference.
So, let me start of by saying:
TRINITY IS NOT KDE3 (anymore).
KDE3 IS DEAD.
And let me go a bit further with that.
We are currently in an alpha stage of porting Trinity to cmake.
(...)
First of all I welcome this. the KDE team dropped KDE3, we don't need
this legacy. What I hope is that we will be able to install Trinity as
an alternate UI, and distribution could propose Trinity as a UI
choice.
Having to run a separate script to launch Trinity apps is a bit uncomfortable.
You have to run a separate script to launch Trinity apps? I have never had to.
--
later, Robert Xu
26 Jan
26 Jan
1:50 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Clarification announcement!
Excellent. That makes things clear. I was wondering where to find the cmake
files, i ended up getting things to work from the tarballs on slack current.
Love yer work.
J
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Robert Xu <robxu9(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 16:38, Thierry de Coulon
<tdecoulon(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
You have to run a separate script to launch Trinity apps? I have never had
to.
--
later, Robert Xu
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On 1/25/11, Robert Xu <robxu9(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
TQt - the brains behind Trinity, using Qt3 and (soon) Qt4 to render
our Desktop Environment.
If any app wanted to, they could start using TQt and then not worry
about Qt3 -> Qt4 -> Qt5 changes.
Hi all. This is a post to clear up any issues
that people might be
confused with.
We've all agreed to this, so this is now here for reference.
So, let me start of by saying:
TRINITY IS NOT KDE3 (anymore).
KDE3 IS DEAD.
And let me go a bit further with that.
We are currently in an alpha stage of porting Trinity to cmake.
(...)
First of all I welcome this. the KDE team dropped KDE3, we don't need
this legacy. What I hope is that we will be able to install Trinity as
an alternate UI, and distribution could propose Trinity as a UI
choice.
Having to run a separate script to launch Trinity apps is a bit
uncomfortable.
11 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Clarification announcement!
On 1/25/11, Robert Xu <robxu9(a)gmail.com> wrote:
TQt - the brains behind Trinity, using Qt3 and (soon) Qt4 to render
our Desktop Environment.
If any app wanted to, they could start using TQt and then not worry
about Qt3 -> Qt4 -> Qt5 changes.
Interresting. How do one start TQt?
You have to run a separate script to launch Trinity
apps? I have never had
to.
Well, at the moment I run Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat with Trinity
installed _but_ a Gnome/AWN Desktop (actually I recently moved to
Ubuntu because Mepis was going KDE 4, and I at first did not trust
"K"ubuntu, then for the moment stayed there) I do have a test install
of Debian lenny + Trinity, but Debian tends to be a little old in
stable.
So, if I try to start a KDE3 (sorry, Trinity :) app I get "the program
is not installed". Following some info I start my apps with scripts
like:
#!/bin/bash
PATH=/opt/kde3/bin:/opt/kde3/games:/opt/kde3/bin:$PATH
KDEDIRS=/usr/:/opt/kde3/ KDEHOME=$HOME/.kde3
XDG_DATA_DIRS=/opt/kde3/share/:/usr/share/ MANPATH=/opt/kde3/share/man
kalzium
I imagine I should be able to setup these paths somewhere, but did not
have time to look where until now.
As I like Mepis better than Ubuntu, I do hope that Trinity will
developp to a stage where Warren decides to use it (as he wisely did
not take up KDE 4 for a long time).
Thierry
11:41 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Clarification announcement!
On Jan 26, 2011, at 6:00, Thierry de Coulon <tdecoulon(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Try throwing all these paths into your ~/.bashrc for now. I know that
the variables are supposed to be set, so I'd have to look into it
more.
On 1/25/11, Robert Xu <robxu9(a)gmail.com> wrote:
You don't need to start it. The application will automatically call
TQt to render its interface. It's been doing that for most 3.5.12
applications...
TQt - the brains behind Trinity, using Qt3 and (soon) Qt4 to render
our Desktop Environment.
If any app wanted to, they could start using TQt and then not worry
about Qt3 -> Qt4 -> Qt5 changes.
Interresting. How do one start TQt? You have to run a separate script to launch
Trinity apps? I have never had
to.
Well, at the moment I run Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat with Trinity
installed _but_ a Gnome/AWN Desktop (actually I recently moved to
Ubuntu because Mepis was going KDE 4, and I at first did not trust
"K"ubuntu, then for the moment stayed there) I do have a test install
of Debian lenny + Trinity, but Debian tends to be a little old in
stable.
So, if I try to start a KDE3 (sorry, Trinity :) app I get "the program
is not installed". Following some info I start my apps with scripts
like:
#!/bin/bash
PATH=/opt/kde3/bin:/opt/kde3/games:/opt/kde3/bin:$PATH
KDEDIRS=/usr/:/opt/kde3/ KDEHOME=$HOME/.kde3
XDG_DATA_DIRS=/opt/kde3/share/:/usr/share/ MANPATH=/opt/kde3/share/man
kalzium
I imagine I should be able to setup these paths somewhere, but did not
have time to look where until now.
As I like Mepis better than Ubuntu, I do hope that Trinity will
developp to a stage where Warren decides to use it (as he wisely did
not take up KDE 4 for a long time).
More support is always nice :)
4:30 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Clarification announcement!
On 1/26/11, Serghei Amelian <serghei(a)thel.ro> wrote:
On Wednesday 26 January 2011 13:00:48 Thierry de
Coulon wrote:
[...]
I've been googling and found nothing (I think) what is TQT?
Kate
Interresting. How do one start TQt?
If you aren't Trinity developer, don't worry about TQt, is completely
transparent for users.
--
Serghei
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5:40 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Clarification announcement!
On Jan 26, 2011, at 11:30, Katheryne Draven <borgqueen4(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I've been googling and found nothing (I think) what is TQT?
tqtinterface - a behind the scenes package that renders the GUI in Qt3 (or
in the instance of TQt for Qt4, renders the GUI in Qt4)
4:40 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Clarification announcement!
On Wednesday 26 January 2011 02:00:48 am Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On 1/25/11, Robert Xu <robxu9(a)gmail.com> wrote:
i used the 'export' command to set up the environment to run Trinity.
The Trinity website used to have instructions on how to do this. The web site has
grown, can't find it now.
If you run the Trinity DE you don't need to do this, if you run another WM or DE
you do.
--
Peace,
Greg
TQt - the brains behind Trinity, using Qt3 and
(soon) Qt4 to render
our Desktop Environment.
If any app wanted to, they could start using TQt and then not worry
about Qt3 -> Qt4 -> Qt5 changes.
Interresting. How do one start TQt?
You have to run a separate script to launch
Trinity apps? I have never
had to.
Well, at the moment I run Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat with Trinity
installed _but_ a Gnome/AWN Desktop (actually I recently moved to
Ubuntu because Mepis was going KDE 4, and I at first did not trust
"K"ubuntu, then for the moment stayed there) I do have a test install
of Debian lenny + Trinity, but Debian tends to be a little old in
stable.
So, if I try to start a KDE3 (sorry, Trinity :) app I get "the program
is not installed". Following some info I start my apps with scripts
like:
#!/bin/bash
PATH=/opt/kde3/bin:/opt/kde3/games:/opt/kde3/bin:$PATH
KDEDIRS=/usr/:/opt/kde3/ KDEHOME=$HOME/.kde3
XDG_DATA_DIRS=/opt/kde3/share/:/usr/share/ MANPATH=/opt/kde3/share/man
kalzium
I imagine I should be able to setup these paths somewhere, but did not
have time to look where until now.
4:54 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Clarification announcement!
On Wednesday 26 January 2011 07:40:31 am Greg Madden wrote:
On Wednesday 26 January 2011 02:00:48 am Thierry de
Coulon wrote:
Oops, found my changes, edit your .bashrc, add the export lines there.
export PATH=$PATH:/opt/trinity/bin
export KDEDIRS=/opt/trinity/
export KDEHOME=/home/pabi/.trinity
export XDG_DATA_DIRS=/opt/trinity/share/:/usr/share/
export MANPATH=/opt/trinity/share/man:/usr/share/man
I believe this is only neccessary if you run another WM or DE. I was using
Windowmaker as my WM and using kdepim. The upgrade from Debian Lenny to Squeeze
changed this.
Caveat, Trinity runs best using the Trinity desktop. I gave up a long time use of
Windowmaker because of little niggly issues trying to have Trinity apps work in
Windowmaker as well as kde3 did before.
I am a newbie to to KDE desktop, but have gotten used to it, it is overwhelming
with the number of options. I could spend all my time fiddling with the DE, no
need to actually do any work ;-)
--
Peace,
Greg
On 1/25/11, Robert Xu <robxu9(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
i used the 'export' command to set up the environment to run Trinity.
The Trinity website used to have instructions on how to do this. The web
site has grown, can't find it now.
If you run the Trinity DE you don't need to do this, if you run another WM
or DE you do. TQt - the brains behind Trinity, using Qt3 and
(soon) Qt4 to render
our Desktop Environment.
If any app wanted to, they could start using TQt and then not worry
about Qt3 -> Qt4 -> Qt5 changes.
Interresting. How do one start TQt?
You have to run a separate script to launch
Trinity apps? I have never
had to.
Well, at the moment I run Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat with Trinity
installed _but_ a Gnome/AWN Desktop (actually I recently moved to
Ubuntu because Mepis was going KDE 4, and I at first did not trust
"K"ubuntu, then for the moment stayed there) I do have a test install
of Debian lenny + Trinity, but Debian tends to be a little old in
stable.
So, if I try to start a KDE3 (sorry, Trinity :) app I get "the program
is not installed". Following some info I start my apps with scripts
like:
#!/bin/bash
PATH=/opt/kde3/bin:/opt/kde3/games:/opt/kde3/bin:$PATH
KDEDIRS=/usr/:/opt/kde3/ KDEHOME=$HOME/.kde3
XDG_DATA_DIRS=/opt/kde3/share/:/usr/share/ MANPATH=/opt/kde3/share/man
kalzium
I imagine I should be able to setup these paths somewhere, but did not
have time to look where until now.
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