. . . to get a full proper TDE Debian release?
I just spent most of an hour removing the droppings of LXQT. This is because I figured -- erroneously, it seems -- that it would be the easiest of the Debian iso files to fumigate after I installed TDE. I downloaded and installed the image that Jacob made as MatrixOS; problem is, it seems to be Debian 12, Bookworm, so installation would immediately have been followed by a full system upgrade, which would have taken even longer than squashing LXQT.
They have live CDs of damn near everything: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/
I'll happily donate to wherever one must in order to get TDE added to the list. The fact that LXDE, LXQT, XFCE, and frigging Cinnamon are there and TDE is not is a crime.
dep composed on 2025-08-24 03:05 (UTC):
. . . to get a full proper TDE Debian release?
I'll happily donate to wherever one must in order to get TDE added to the list. The fact that LXDE, LXQT, XFCE, and frigging Cinnamon are there and TDE is not is a crime.
Start regular NET installer using these options:
tasks=standard base-installer/install-recommends=false
That creates a minimal installation, IIRC with no GUI, or maybe just Xorg/X11 basics, to which I add only TDE and IceWM. I haven't done a fresh installation in a long time, content on most PCs here to simply full-upgrade with each major release since back around Wheezy or so.
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On Saturday 23 August 2025, Felix Miata via tde-users was heard to say:
That creates a minimal installation, IIRC with no GUI, or maybe just Xorg/X11 basics,
I tend to check the XFCE button, and then add TDE, selecting tdm as the login manager.
That way all the X11 dependencies are taken care of.
Building up from bare-bones takes more time, and the saving of disk space just isn't worth the effort anymore.
I agree with dep that the additional crap, such as automatic directories, is annoying.
The "net-install" image for Debian Trixie is now the size of a full CD. I had to do a test build to see what changes there were to /etc/apt/sources.list so that my in-place upgrade would work correctly.
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Curt Howland composed on 2025-08-23 23:52 (UTC-0400):
Felix Miata was heard to say:
That creates a minimal installation, IIRC with no GUI, or maybe just Xorg/X11 basics,
I tend to check the XFCE button, and then add TDE, selecting tdm as the login manager.
Keyword: IIRC. I don't ever install XFCE except on Mint, or remember whether Xorg/X11 is considered part of a basic Debian installation. That said, installing TDE requires it, so package dependencies can be expected to cover whatever need(s) may or may not already be met.
That way all the X11 dependencies are taken care of.
Building up from bare-bones takes more time, and the saving of disk space just isn't worth the effort anymore.
It's not about disk space. It's about clutter and waste. Upgrades and updates take longer, and waste bandwidth for no good reason.
I agree with dep that the additional crap, such as automatic directories, is annoying.
The "net-install" image for Debian Trixie is now the size of a full CD. I had to do a test build to see what changes there were to /etc/apt/sources.list so that my in-place upgrade would work correctly.
On fresh installations from scratch on empty disks it may matter, but as I have only one (laptop given me) with only one OS on it, and all 40+ other computers are multiboot, I don't have any need to download any isos regardless of size. I have all partitioning done in advance, download latest installation kernel and initrd, load them with grub and tasks=standard base-installer/install-recommends=false, so have no need to futz finding an available USB stick that works, waiting on a download or burn, or sha .iso or stick. With a new disk, I clone enough from something else to at least start Grub, if not a complete operational / filesystem. Installer processing is a nuisance easily enough avoided when package managers are so highly evolved and good at their jobs, including major upgrading typically done in 20 minutes or less from broadband internet.
said Curt Howland via tde-users:
| I tend to check the XFCE button, and then add TDE, selecting tdm as | the login manager. | | That way all the X11 dependencies are taken care of.
LXQT is not a desktop -- it is a virus! After nuking everything in synaptic that had LXQT attached to it, I still had a page of autoremoves to do --and still, there were FeatherNotes and FeatherPad and lord knows what else. If they're going to install a desktop, there needs to be a way to as easily uninstall it and all its pomps and works.
They have room for 14 text editors, but no room for locate or, heaven help us, mc. You know, actually useful stuff.
"sudo apt install locate" is an embarrassment. and no "shutdown" at all. i don't care if it's a script, we've been using it for 30 years and unaliving it without so much as a by-your-leave is disrespectful.
On Sunday 24 August 2025 05:52:46 Curt Howland via tde-users wrote:
I tend to check the XFCE button, and then add TDE, selecting tdm as the login manager.
I second that, plus (IMHO) XFCE is the most usable desktop after TDE. I even use it for teaching, when I mostly run Openboard. I run Konqueror fromxfce as a file manager.
(Sorry to top post; on the tablet's Android ProtonMail app.)
Does it bring many applets and so on with it? I think it descends from the same framework that brought me my first Linux email client, XFMail, which I used long into KDE-1.x. A very good email program. Long gone, I think.
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On Sunday 24 August 2025 05:52:46 Curt Howland via tde-users wrote:
I tend to check the XFCE button, and then add TDE, selecting tdm as the login manager.
I second that, plus (IMHO) XFCE is the most usable desktop after TDE. I even use it for teaching, when I mostly run Openboard. I run Konqueror fromxfce as a file manager. ____________________________________________________ tde-users mailing list -- users@trinitydesktop.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@trinitydesktop.org Web mail archive available at https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydeskto...
said Felix Miata via tde-users:
| Start regular NET installer using these options: | | tasks=standard base-installer/install-recommends=false
Thanks, though it doesn't resolve the problem I particularly have in mind, which is this: A lot of people are being told by the criminals at Microsoft that their computers are unfit for their latest spyware. I would like to recommend Debian/TDE to those persons, but there's no easy way to get there, and anyone bright enough to do it the hard way gave up Windows decades ago.
But it might be of help in solving another problem (though better suggestions are welcome): I have a tiny GPD Pocket machine with plenty of horsepower, but it can't boot from USB, though it otherwise reads USB sticks just fine. It is tragically running Microsoft-wannabe Ubuntu, and I want to replace it with Debian. My thought is to remove the /home partition from fstab and make a little /home with the /etc/skel files in the main partition, then with gparted make a small partitionm onto which I can dd the stuff from an install USB. Then add that to grub so I can boot from it, install Debian on the rest of the drive, and be donewith Ubuntu forever. I'm convinced, as I should have been 20 years ago, that no distribution except Debian can be trusted. (I know, some say not even Debian.)
On Sunday 24 August 2025 06:08:05 dep via tde-users wrote:
Thanks, though it doesn't resolve the problem I particularly have in mind,
As I said, MX-Linux offers a tool to create an install ISO from an existing system on a computer. This is the way I created an install ISO with TDE (PSB) installed.
The only catch is that this works only with lightdm, so if you what TDM you have to change DM after install. This may not be OK for absolute rookies, but users expected to use Linux should be able to do that (with instructions).
And MX let's you choose systemd or no systemd.
It's still Bookworm, I'll look at making an MX 25 iso when it's out. If you want to take a look you can download here: https://transfer.it/t/ACTrAz4xnDIT
It's a zip file containing iso, md5 and readme file.
On 8/23/25 23:09, dep via tde-users wrote:
. . . to get a full proper TDE Debian release?
I just spent most of an hour removing the droppings of LXQT. This is because I figured -- erroneously, it seems -- that it would be the easiest of the Debian iso files to fumigate after I installed TDE. I downloaded and installed the image that Jacob made as MatrixOS; problem is, it seems to be Debian 12, Bookworm, so installation would immediately have been followed by a full system upgrade, which would have taken even longer than squashing LXQT.
They have live CDs of damn near everything: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/
I'll happily donate to wherever one must in order to get TDE added to the list. The fact that LXDE, LXQT, XFCE, and frigging Cinnamon are there and TDE is not is a crime.
+100. So would I, I'd happily donate a small stipend monthly. And I'm on SS but currently donate to 2 projects. 100 donors at $20 a month isn't a lot, $2000 a month. but it should pay the coder who does the heavy lifting to get a longer ladder up the side of that famous pig. Make the donor process happen.
Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
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