3 Jul
2018
3 Jul
'18
1:49 p.m.
Good day everyone,
I'm using trinity 14.0.5 from preliminary stable builds on devuan ascii (debian
stretch).
Through the most recent upgrade, that I executed on 2018-07-02 11:42:01, tdm
(amongst a couple others) got upgraded:
tdm-trinity:amd64 (4:14.0.5~pre39-0debian9.0.0+6, 4:14.0.5~pre42-0debi
an9.0.0+6)
After this upgrade tdm wouldn't start anymore and in /var/log/boot I found this
error message:
Not starting Trinity Display Manager (tdm); it is not the default display
manager.
The file is there:
$ ls -l /etc/X11/default-display-manager
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14 Jul 2 11:42 /etc/X11/default-display-manager
And it says:
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/usr/bin/slim
Solution:
$ dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity
Of course, tdm was the default display manager already before the upgrade, and,
as you can guess from the above, slim is installed, too.
I think, it should not be necessary to reconfigure the display manager, or,
least, the user should be prompted to do so at installation.
IIRC, this happened already at the previous upgrade to ~pre39.
Has anybody seen this? Do you think it is a bug?
Regards,
Stefan
3 Jul
3 Jul
2:54 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
On Tuesday 03 July 2018 15.49:06 Stefan Krusche wrote:
Good day everyone,
(...)
Through the most recent upgrade, that I executed on
2018-07-02 11:42:01,
tdm (amongst a couple others) got upgraded:
(...)
After this upgrade tdm wouldn't start anymore and
in /var/log/boot I found
this error message:
(...)
Solution:
$ dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity
(...)
Has anybody seen this? Do you think it is a bug?
Regards,
Stefan
Debian Stretch here. Same thing happened with tha last update/upgrade
Obviously Debian/Devuan got updated too and reset the display manager. As far
as I am concerned it's not a bug, just an result of the distribution not
respecting modifications by the user and going back to some config file it
used for it's own setup.
I my case I found myself loging in from Gnome again.
Thierry
3:22 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 16:54:51 +0200
Thierry de Coulon <tcoulon(a)decoulon.ch> wrote:
Debian Stretch here. Same thing happened with tha last update/upgrade
Obviously Debian/Devuan got updated too and reset the display manager. As
far as I am concerned it's not a bug, just an result of the distribution
not respecting modifications by the user and going back to some config
file it used for it's own setup.
I my case I found myself loging in from Gnome again.
It is a bug, debconf sysytem should remember default-x-display-manager
choice and preserve it on upgrades.
--
Nick Koretsky (nick.koretsky(a)gmail.com)
4:09 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
On Tuesday 03 July 2018 07:54:51 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Tuesday 03 July 2018 15.49:06 Stefan Krusche
wrote:
Right, somehow the default display manager got changed to slim? I have only
used Debian Stretch and/or Devuan Ascii a little, before reverting to Jessie,
but I recall some similar glitches. Somehow it got changed in the
update/upgrade.
You can get this back by running dpkg-reconfigure tdm. Otherwise it should
come up when you run apt-get to install packages. If you use aptitude, etc.,
then you may see something else, or maybe it just chooses slim or your most
recently installed dm as default. (Also, it occurs to me that tdm comes up as
tdm-trinity in some versions, but as just tdm in others; you should be able
to pick the right one, in any case.)
Here you are presented with a choice of display managers, depending on what
you have installed:
kdm
gdm
lxdm
slim
tdm or tdm-trinity
xfce
(You probably won't have them all installed.)
Make your choice, hit okay, then you should be back to normal on reboot,
unless you have changed something else, or uninstalled or misconfigured
something.
Bill
Good day everyone,
(...)
Through the most recent upgrade, that I executed
on 2018-07-02 11:42:01,
tdm (amongst a couple others) got upgraded:
(...)
After this upgrade tdm wouldn't start anymore
and in /var/log/boot I
found this error message:
(...)
Solution:
$ dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity
(...)
Has anybody seen this? Do you think it is a bug?
Regards,
Stefan
Debian Stretch here. Same thing happened with tha last update/upgrade
Obviously Debian/Devuan got updated too and reset the display manager. As
far as I am concerned it's not a bug, just an result of the distribution
not respecting modifications by the user and going back to some config file
it used for it's own setup.
I my case I found myself loging in from Gnome again.
Thierry
8:37 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
On Tuesday 03 July 2018 12:14:09 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2018-07-03 11:09:21 William Morder wrote:
No difference at all, except in name; I seem to recall that it is listed
differently in some installations. You will forgive my memory, as it has been
a while since I've used other systems (such as Kubuntu, etc.); I believe I am
right about this, but maybe not. If not, somebody out there will please
correct me!
Right now I'm running Devuan Jessie with Trinity 14.0.5, and just ran both
these commands:
# dpkg-reconfigure tdm
dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity
... but only the second one works, so I've commented out the other. The second
line is probably right for anybody who has downloaded fairly recent updates.
To double-check my memory, however, I just now ran
sysv-rc-conf
and among my display managers, kdm, slim tdm AND (get this!) tdm-trini$ [sic]
comes up; but I only have the lines for tdm marked to start at boot.
It could be that I only believe that I remember the two different variations
because it is sort of duplicated in sysv-rc-conf; also, other display
managers are simply gdm, kdm, lxdm, slim, etc. Only TDE's entry comes up as
the somewhat redundant tdm-trinity.
So I believe that the second choice is probably what you want; although I
doubt that you would run into problems by running the other command. Either
one or the other will work, but not both. In any case, before you reboot, you
can check to see if you have other display managers installed or configured.
The same command will work if you have another dm installed, e.g.,
dpkg-reconfigure kdm
dpkg-reconfigure slim
and so on; but not if you don't have them installed. In any case, you choose
your display manager from the list, hit return, and when you reboot you ought
to see the Trinity Display Manager.
Sorry that this is such a long answer to what ought to be a simple question;
but the apparent duplication of tdm and tdm-trinity in some places may be a
little confusing.
Bill
Here you are presented with a choice of display
managers, depending on
what you have installed:
kdm
gdm
lxdm
slim
tdm or tdm-trinity
xfce
What would be the difference between tdm and tdm-trinity?
Leslie
9:24 p.m.
J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2018-07-03 11:09:21 William Morder wrote:
just try
apt-cache show tdm-trinity
apt-cache show tdm
I run some kind of experimental release and don't have tdm - might be a meta
package, but the apt-cache show command will help you find out
regards
Here you are presented with a choice of display
managers, depending on
what you have installed:
kdm
gdm
lxdm
slim
tdm or tdm-trinity
xfce
What would be the difference between tdm and tdm-trinity?
Leslie
9:30 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
Am Dienstag 03 Juli 2018 schrieb deloptes:
J Leslie Turriff wrote:
The name of the package is still "tdm-trinity", but the service and the init
file is now called "tdm" in PSB.
Regards,
Stefan
On 2018-07-03 11:09:21 William Morder wrote:
just try
apt-cache show tdm-trinity
apt-cache show tdm
I run some kind of experimental release and don't have tdm - might be a
meta package, but the apt-cache show command will help you find out Here you are presented with a choice of display
managers, depending on
what you have installed:
kdm
gdm
lxdm
slim
tdm or tdm-trinity
xfce
What would be the difference between tdm and tdm-trinity?
Leslie
4:26 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
Am Dienstag 03 Juli 2018 schrieb Thierry de Coulon:
Debian Stretch here. Same thing happened with tha last
update/upgrade
Obviously Debian/Devuan got updated too and reset the display manager. As
far as I am concerned it's not a bug, just an result of the distribution
not respecting modifications by the user and going back to some config file
it used for it's own setup.
I my case I found myself loging in from Gnome again.
Thierry
Thank you.
Stefan
7:12 p.m.
On 2018-07-03 09:54:51 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
Obviously Debian/Devuan got updated too and reset the
display manager. As
far as I am concerned it's not a bug, just an result of the distribution
not respecting modifications by the user and going back to some config file
it used for it's own setup.
So, not a Trinity bug, but I'd say it could be argued that it's a Debian bug?
Leslie
3:12 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 15:49:06 +0200
Stefan Krusche <linux(a)stefan-krusche.de> wrote:
Good day everyone,
I'm using trinity 14.0.5 from preliminary stable builds on devuan ascii
(debian stretch).
Through the most recent upgrade, that I executed on 2018-07-02 11:42:01,
tdm (amongst a couple others) got upgraded:
tdm-trinity:amd64 (4:14.0.5~pre39-0debian9.0.0+6, 4:14.0.5~pre42-0debi
an9.0.0+6)
After this upgrade tdm wouldn't start anymore and in /var/log/boot I
found this error message:
Not starting Trinity Display Manager (tdm); it is not the default display
manager.
The file is there:
$ ls -l /etc/X11/default-display-manager
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14 Jul 2 11:42 /etc/X11/default-display-manager
And it says:
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/usr/bin/slim
Solution:
$ dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity
Of course, tdm was the default display manager already before the
upgrade, and, as you can guess from the above, slim is installed, too.
I think, it should not be necessary to reconfigure the display manager,
or, least, the user should be prompted to do so at installation.
IIRC, this happened already at the previous upgrade to ~pre39.
Has anybody seen this? Do you think it is a bug?
First, a you sure that slim wasnt updated too? Because if it was it is most
likely bug in slim. If not than this looks like a problem with debconf
database (or a bug in debconf).
Look in /var/cache/debconf/config.dat for shared/default-x-display-manager
and post a context of this section
--
Nick Koretsky (nick.koretsky(a)gmail.com)
4 Jul
4 Jul
9:38 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
On 07/03/2018 08:12 AM, Nick Koretsky wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 15:49:06 +0200
Stefan Krusche <linux(a)stefan-krusche.de> wrote:
There is no logical reason to have two DM's, simple solution, remove
one or the other and there is no problem.
--
Jimmy Johnson
Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2
Registered Linux User #380263
Good day everyone,
I'm using trinity 14.0.5 from preliminary stable builds on devuan ascii
(debian stretch).
Through the most recent upgrade, that I executed on 2018-07-02 11:42:01,
tdm (amongst a couple others) got upgraded:
tdm-trinity:amd64 (4:14.0.5~pre39-0debian9.0.0+6, 4:14.0.5~pre42-0debi
an9.0.0+6)
After this upgrade tdm wouldn't start anymore and in /var/log/boot I
found this error message:
Not starting Trinity Display Manager (tdm); it is not the default display
manager.
The file is there:
$ ls -l /etc/X11/default-display-manager
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14 Jul 2 11:42 /etc/X11/default-display-manager
And it says:
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/usr/bin/slim
Solution:
$ dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity
Of course, tdm was the default display manager already before the
upgrade, and, as you can guess from the above, slim is installed, too.
I think, it should not be necessary to reconfigure the display manager,
or, least, the user should be prompted to do so at installation.
IIRC, this happened already at the previous upgrade to ~pre39.
Has anybody seen this? Do you think it is a bug?
First, a you sure that slim wasnt updated too? Because if it was it is most
likely bug in slim. If not than this looks like a problem with debconf
database (or a bug in debconf).
Look in /var/cache/debconf/config.dat for shared/default-x-display-manager
and post a context of this section
11:48 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
Hi Nick,
thank you. I looked after that.
Am Dienstag 03 Juli 2018 schrieb Nick Koretsky:
First, a you sure that slim wasnt updated too? Because
if it was it is most
likely bug in slim. If not than this looks like a problem with debconf
database (or a bug in debconf).
As to what is logged in /var/log/aptitude, slim was
only once installed when I
set up the system.
--> /var/log/apt/history.log says this about slim and tdm-trinity:
Start-Date: 2018-06-03 23:03:03
Install: [...], tdm-trinity:amd64 (4:14.0.5~pre36-0debian9.0.0+6), [...]
Start-Date: 2018-06-04 15:04:08
Install: [...], slim:amd64 (1.3.6-5.1+devuan2), [...]
Start-Date: 2018-06-28 16:15:17
Upgrade: [...], tdm-trinity:amd64 (4:14.0.5~pre36-0debian9.0.0+6,
4:14.0.5~pre39-0debian9.0.0+6), [...]
Start-Date: 2018-07-02 11:42:01
Upgrade: [...], tdm-trinity:amd64 (4:14.0.5~pre39-0debian9.0.0+6,
4:14.0.5~pre42-0debian9.0.0+6), [...]
When I upgraded tdm-trinity the first time from "~pre36" to "~pre39",
after slim
had been installed, the problem appeared, that the default display-manager got
changed.
That's why I was thinking it might have something to do with package
tdm-trinity. But I don't understand this whole update and configuration process
sufficiently enough, that I really could tell. And, yes, could have something
to do with slim package as well.
Look in /var/cache/debconf/config.dat for
shared/default-x-display-manager
and post a context of this section
Alright, /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is from 2018-07-03 15:27:28, probably
when I manually reconfigured display-manager, and not from when I did the
upgrade on 2018-07-02 11:42:01. This is in it:
$ grep -n -A1 -B1 -E "tdm|slim" config.dat
756-Template: shared/default-x-display-manager
757:Value: tdm-trinity
758:Owners: slim, tdm-trinity
759-Flags: seen
760-Variables:
761: choices = slim, tdm-trinity
762-
--
784-
785:Name: slim/daemon_name
786:Template: slim/daemon_name
787:Owners: slim
788-
--
812-
813:Name: tdm-trinity/daemon_name
814:Template: tdm-trinity/daemon_name
815:Owners: tdm-trinity
816-
817:Name: tdm-trinity/stop_running_server_with_children
818:Template: tdm-trinity/stop_running_server_with_children
819:Owners: tdm-trinity
820-
What can you get out of this?
Regards,
Stefan
12:41 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
On Wed, 4 Jul 2018 13:48:41 +0200
Stefan Krusche <linux(a)stefan-krusche.de> wrote:
When I upgraded tdm-trinity the first time from
"~pre36" to "~pre39",
after slim had been installed, the problem appeared, that the default
display-manager got changed.
That's why I was thinking it might have something to do with package
tdm-trinity. But I don't understand this whole update and configuration
process sufficiently enough, that I really could tell. And, yes, could
have something to do with slim package as well.
Ok, this looks normal. At this point if you want to track down the bug, i
suggest following:
Force reinstall tdm-trinity (unless you clean apt-cache the package is
in /var/cache/apt/archives, just dpkg -i the last version.
If default dm stays tdm-trinity after that than i have absolutely no idea
what happened. Maybe whatever program you used to update (apt? apt-get?
aptitude? some gui?) calls dpkg in some weird way, but its hard to track
this - downgrade to a previous version and upgrade again using different
programs?
If it changed to slim - Force reinstall slim.
If default dm remained slim after that than this is a bug in tdm-trinity
install scripts, create a bug report in trinity bugzilla.
If it changed back to tdm-trinity than this is a bug in dpkg (probably
devuan one, as i dont have this problem on stretch). Report this to devuan.
--
Nick Koretsky (nick.koretsky(a)gmail.com)
Look in /var/cache/debconf/config.dat for
shared/default-x-display-manager and post a context of this section
Alright, /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is from 2018-07-03 15:27:28,
probably when I manually reconfigured display-manager, and not from when
I did the upgrade on 2018-07-02 11:42:01. This is in it:
$ grep -n -A1 -B1 -E "tdm|slim" config.dat
756-Template: shared/default-x-display-manager
757:Value: tdm-trinity
758:Owners: slim, tdm-trinity
759-Flags: seen
760-Variables:
761: choices = slim, tdm-trinity
762-
--
What can you get out of this?
12:54 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
Am Mittwoch 04 Juli 2018 schrieb Nick Koretsky:
On Wed, 4 Jul 2018 13:48:41 +0200
Stefan Krusche <linux(a)stefan-krusche.de> wrote:
Alright, thanks. I'll keep on digging.
Stefan
Alright, /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is from
2018-07-03 15:27:28,
probably when I manually reconfigured display-manager, and not from when
I did the upgrade on 2018-07-02 11:42:01. This is in it:
$ grep -n -A1 -B1 -E "tdm|slim" config.dat
756-Template: shared/default-x-display-manager
757:Value: tdm-trinity
758:Owners: slim, tdm-trinity
759-Flags: seen
760-Variables:
761: choices = slim, tdm-trinity
762-
--
What can you get out of this?
Ok, this looks normal. At this point if you want to track down the bug, i
suggest following:
Force reinstall tdm-trinity (unless you clean apt-cache the package is
in /var/cache/apt/archives, just dpkg -i the last version.
If default dm stays tdm-trinity after that than i have absolutely no idea
what happened. Maybe whatever program you used to update (apt? apt-get?
aptitude? some gui?) calls dpkg in some weird way, but its hard to track
this - downgrade to a previous version and upgrade again using different
programs?
If it changed to slim - Force reinstall slim.
If default dm remained slim after that than this is a bug in tdm-trinity
install scripts, create a bug report in trinity bugzilla.
If it changed back to tdm-trinity than this is a bug in dpkg (probably
devuan one, as i dont have this problem on stretch). Report this to devuan.
14 Jul
14 Jul
9:38 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
Am Mittwoch, 4. Juli 2018 schrieb Nick Koretsky:
Ok, this looks normal. At this point if you want to
track down the bug, i
suggest following:
Force reinstall tdm-trinity (unless you clean apt-cache the package is
in /var/cache/apt/archives, just dpkg -i the last version.
Okay, I tested that. Here are the results:
Summary:
Installing either slim or tdm-trinity overwrites the default display manager
to /usr/bin/slim not depending on the way I changed default dm, manually or
with dpkg-reconfigure.
Note: dpkg-reconfigure slim says:
Please be sure to run "dpkg --configure tdm-trinity".
But also after doing so, the faulty behavior persists. See below.
So, I should create a bug report in trinity bugzilla, I think.
Kind regards,
Stefan
Test results:
Reinstalling tdm-trinity:
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/opt/trinity/bin/tdm
$ sudo dpkg -i tdm-trinity_4%3a14.0.5~pre42-0debian9.0.0+6_amd64.deb
(Reading database ... 156996 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack tdm-trinity_4%3a14.0.5~pre42-0debian9.0.0+6_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking tdm-trinity (4:14.0.5~pre42-0debian9.0.0+6) over
(4:14.0.5~pre42-0debian9.0.0+6) ...
Setting up tdm-trinity (4:14.0.5~pre42-0debian9.0.0+6) ...
Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.6.1-2) ...
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/usr/bin/slim
Result: The default display manager got changed to slim again.
$ sudo dpkg -i slim_1.3.6-5.1+devuan2_amd64.deb
(Reading database ... 156996 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack slim_1.3.6-5.1+devuan2_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking slim (1.3.6-5.1+devuan2) over (1.3.6-5.1+devuan2) ...
Setting up slim (1.3.6-5.1+devuan2) ...
update-alternatives: using /usr/share/slim/themes/default to
provide /usr/share/slim/themes/desktop-slim-theme (desktop-slim-theme) in auto
mode
[ ok ] Reloading system message bus config...done.
Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.6.1-2) ...
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/usr/bin/slim
Result: default display manager is slim as before
Reinstalling tdm-trinity -- /etc/X11/default-display-manager not changed:
$ sudo dpkg -i tdm-trinity_4%3a14.0.5~pre42-0debian9.0.0+6_amd64.deb
[...] (same as above)
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/usr/bin/slim
(Manually) changed /etc/X11/default-display-manager back to tdm-trinity
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/opt/trinity/bin/tdm
and reinstalled slim:
$ sudo dpkg -i slim_1.3.6-5.1+devuan2_amd64.deb
[...] (same as above)
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/usr/bin/slim
Result: installing slim changed default display manager to slim !
$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/opt/trinity/bin/tdm
$ sudo dpkg -i tdm-trinity_4%3a14.0.5~pre42-0debian9.0.0+6_amd64.deb
[...] (same as above)
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/usr/bin/slim
$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure slim
Please be sure to run "dpkg --configure tdm-trinity".
[ ok ] Reloading system message bus config...done.
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/opt/trinity/bin/tdm
$ sudo dpkg -i tdm-trinity_4%3a14.0.5~pre42-0debian9.0.0+6_amd64.deb
[...] (same as above)
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/usr/bin/slim
$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure slim
Please be sure to run "dpkg --configure tdm-trinity".
[ ok ] Reloading system message bus config...done.
$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/opt/trinity/bin/tdm
$ sudo dpkg -i tdm-trinity_4%3a14.0.5~pre42-0debian9.0.0+6_amd64.deb
[...] (same as above)
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/usr/bin/slim
$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure slim
Please be sure to run "dpkg --configure tdm-trinity".
[ ok ] Reloading system message bus config...done.
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/opt/trinity/bin/tdm
$ sudo dpkg -i slim_1.3.6-5.1+devuan2_amd64.deb
[...] (same as above)
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/usr/bin/slim
10:03 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
On Saturday 14 July 2018 14:38:56 Stefan Krusche wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 4. Juli 2018 schrieb Nick Koretsky:
From these details, I assume that you are running Devuan. I was just about to
write something about similar problems that I have had over the past week or
ten days. When I run apt-get dist-upgrade (running Devuan), it installs slim
and xfce (neither of which I want), as well as libreoffice packages (which I
also don't want, as I prefer OpenOffice). When I tried to get rid of these
items and reinstall only OpenOffice and tdm-trinity as my default dm, I ended
up with a system that booted, then halted at a login prompt; I tried to
login, but neither user nor root logins worked, and I couldn't boot into
failsafe or anything else that worked.
On the whole, Devuan runs much faster than Debian, and also my system doesn't
hang. I started having these and other problems, and returned for the moment
to Debian Jessie, which runs okay, but hangs a lot, and when I try to reboot
seems to get permanently stuck on some stuff called rpcbind and watchdog.
(Also I note that systemd is always doing something, don't know what.)
I am contemplating some kind of FrankenDebian hack (or rather, FrankenDevuan).
I seem to recall that somebody mentioned that sysvinit could be installed,
and systemd purged, on a Debian system. The do upgrades from the Debian
repositories, but keep sysvinit and avoid the systemd problems.
Any ideas, guys?
Bill
Ok, this looks normal. At this point if you want
to track down the bug, i
suggest following:
Force reinstall tdm-trinity (unless you clean apt-cache the package is
in /var/cache/apt/archives, just dpkg -i the last version.
Okay, I tested that. Here are the results:
Summary:
Installing either slim or tdm-trinity overwrites the default display
manager to /usr/bin/slim not depending on the way I changed default dm,
manually or with dpkg-reconfigure.
Note: dpkg-reconfigure slim says:
Please be sure to run "dpkg --configure tdm-trinity".
But also after doing so, the faulty behavior persists. See below.
So, I should create a bug report in trinity bugzilla, I think.
Kind regards,
Stefan
Test results:
Reinstalling tdm-trinity:
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/opt/trinity/bin/tdm
$ sudo dpkg -i tdm-trinity_4%3a14.0.5~pre42-0debian9.0.0+6_amd64.deb
(Reading database ... 156996 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack tdm-trinity_4%3a14.0.5~pre42-0debian9.0.0+6_amd64.deb
... Unpacking tdm-trinity (4:14.0.5~pre42-0debian9.0.0+6) over
(4:14.0.5~pre42-0debian9.0.0+6) ...
Setting up tdm-trinity (4:14.0.5~pre42-0debian9.0.0+6) ...
Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.6.1-2) ...
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/usr/bin/slim
Result: The default display manager got changed to slim again.
$ sudo dpkg -i slim_1.3.6-5.1+devuan2_amd64.deb
(Reading database ... 156996 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack slim_1.3.6-5.1+devuan2_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking slim (1.3.6-5.1+devuan2) over (1.3.6-5.1+devuan2) ...
Setting up slim (1.3.6-5.1+devuan2) ...
update-alternatives: using /usr/share/slim/themes/default to
provide /usr/share/slim/themes/desktop-slim-theme (desktop-slim-theme) in
auto mode
[ ok ] Reloading system message bus config...done.
Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.6.1-2) ...
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/usr/bin/slim
Result: default display manager is slim as before
Reinstalling tdm-trinity -- /etc/X11/default-display-manager not changed:
$ sudo dpkg -i tdm-trinity_4%3a14.0.5~pre42-0debian9.0.0+6_amd64.deb
[...] (same as above)
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/usr/bin/slim
(Manually) changed /etc/X11/default-display-manager back to tdm-trinity
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/opt/trinity/bin/tdm
and reinstalled slim:
$ sudo dpkg -i slim_1.3.6-5.1+devuan2_amd64.deb
[...] (same as above)
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/usr/bin/slim
Result: installing slim changed default display manager to slim !
$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/opt/trinity/bin/tdm
$ sudo dpkg -i tdm-trinity_4%3a14.0.5~pre42-0debian9.0.0+6_amd64.deb
[...] (same as above)
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/usr/bin/slim
$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure slim
Please be sure to run "dpkg --configure tdm-trinity".
[ ok ] Reloading system message bus config...done.
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/opt/trinity/bin/tdm
$ sudo dpkg -i tdm-trinity_4%3a14.0.5~pre42-0debian9.0.0+6_amd64.deb
[...] (same as above)
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/usr/bin/slim
$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure slim
Please be sure to run "dpkg --configure tdm-trinity".
[ ok ] Reloading system message bus config...done.
$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/opt/trinity/bin/tdm
$ sudo dpkg -i tdm-trinity_4%3a14.0.5~pre42-0debian9.0.0+6_amd64.deb
[...] (same as above)
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/usr/bin/slim
$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure slim
Please be sure to run "dpkg --configure tdm-trinity".
[ ok ] Reloading system message bus config...done.
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/opt/trinity/bin/tdm
$ sudo dpkg -i slim_1.3.6-5.1+devuan2_amd64.deb
[...] (same as above)
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/usr/bin/slim
11:02 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
Am Sonntag, 15. Juli 2018 schrieb William Morder:
From these details, I assume that you are running
Devuan.
Nothing to assume here, I revealed that in my original post. ;-)
I was just about
to write something about similar problems that I have had over the past
week or ten days. When I run apt-get dist-upgrade (running Devuan), it
installs slim and xfce (neither of which I want), as well as libreoffice
packages (which I also don't want, as I prefer OpenOffice). When I tried to
get rid of these items and reinstall only OpenOffice and tdm-trinity as my
default dm, I ended up with a system that booted, then halted at a login
prompt; I tried to login, but neither user nor root logins worked, and I
couldn't boot into failsafe or anything else that worked.
This probably depends on what state your system was in before upgrading, that
is, which packages were installed and if they were installed manually or by
which dependency etc., which is unclear by the information you provide, so
either it's a Devuan-related issue or based on what you have done. It has
nothing to do with the problem I reported.
On the whole, Devuan runs much faster than Debian, and
also my system
doesn't hang. I started having these and other problems, and returned for
the moment to Debian Jessie, which runs okay, but hangs a lot, and when I
try to reboot seems to get permanently stuck on some stuff called rpcbind
and watchdog. (Also I note that systemd is always doing something, don't
know what.)
I am contemplating some kind of FrankenDebian hack (or rather,
FrankenDevuan). I seem to recall that somebody mentioned that sysvinit
could be installed, and systemd purged, on a Debian system. The do upgrades
from the Debian repositories, but keep sysvinit and avoid the systemd
problems.
Any ideas, guys?
Outline your problem(s) precisely and start a new thread or maybe post to devuan
list.
Kind regards,
Stefan
11:03 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
On Sat July 14 2018 15:03:46 William Morder wrote:
From these details, I assume that you are running
Devuan. I was just about
to write something about similar problems that I have had over the past
week or ten days. When I run apt-get dist-upgrade (running Devuan), it
installs slim and xfce (neither of which I want), as well as libreoffice
packages (which I also don't want, as I prefer OpenOffice).
After your unwanted slim, xfce, and libreoffice are installed what are
the results of running "apt-cache rdepends slim", "aptitude why slim"
etc.
OpenOffice appears to be obsolete. I'm not sure what source of OpenOffice
packages you are using but they may not satisfy today's dependencies. What
does "apt-cache policy openoffice" (or whatever your primary openoffice
package is called) report?
When I tried to
get rid of these items and reinstall only OpenOffice and tdm-trinity as my
default dm, I ended up with a system that booted, then halted at a login
prompt; I tried to login, but neither user nor root logins worked, and I
couldn't boot into failsafe or anything else that worked.
Possibly a long time known slim bug that it stays on as default display
manager even after uninstalling.
Aside #1: We don't have these problems but we use LibreOffice. The
messy interface of LibreOffice 5 is a distinct downgrade
from earlier versions but at least we get security updates.
Aside #2: I'm struggling to see how this has any relevance to Trinity.
--Mike
11:28 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 15:03:46 -0700
William Morder <doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com> wrote:
On the whole, Devuan runs much faster than Debian, and also my system
doesn't hang. I started having these and other problems, and returned for
the moment to Debian Jessie, which runs okay, but hangs a lot, and when I
try to reboot seems to get permanently stuck on some stuff called rpcbind
and watchdog. (Also I note that systemd is always doing something, don't
know what.)
I am contemplating some kind of FrankenDebian hack (or rather,
FrankenDevuan). I seem to recall that somebody mentioned that sysvinit
could be installed, and systemd purged, on a Debian system. The do
upgrades from the Debian repositories, but keep sysvinit and avoid the
systemd problems.
This depend on what level you want to purge systemd. If it is not for
ideological reasons and you are ok with having all sysytemd libraries in
system, just want sysvinit as pid 1, then you just need to install
sysvinit-core and uninstall systemd-sysv.
--
Nick Koretsky (nick.koretsky(a)gmail.com)
15 Jul
15 Jul
2:50 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
On Saturday 14 July 2018 16:28:18 Nick Koretsky wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 15:03:46 -0700
William Morder <doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com> wrote:
Thanks, I believe that answers my question. I've already seen Devuan running
more or less like this, and it seemed to do okay. I am not "against" systemd
for ideological reasons; I only want my system to run smoothly and
efficiently, not to hang up, that kind of thing; and something like this
would seem to be my solution, at least temporarily.
As for getting off-topic, I will drop it for now, as I have got my own answer,
and leave others to work out these other issues that don't concern me.
Bill
On the whole, Devuan runs much faster than
Debian, and also my system
doesn't hang. I started having these and other problems, and returned for
the moment to Debian Jessie, which runs okay, but hangs a lot, and when I
try to reboot seems to get permanently stuck on some stuff called rpcbind
and watchdog. (Also I note that systemd is always doing something, don't
know what.)
I am contemplating some kind of FrankenDebian hack (or rather,
FrankenDevuan). I seem to recall that somebody mentioned that sysvinit
could be installed, and systemd purged, on a Debian system. The do
upgrades from the Debian repositories, but keep sysvinit and avoid the
systemd problems.
This depend on what level you want to purge systemd. If it is not for
ideological reasons and you are ok with having all sysytemd libraries in
system, just want sysvinit as pid 1, then you just need to install
sysvinit-core and uninstall systemd-sysv.
8:34 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 19:50:38 -0700
William Morder <doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com> wrote:
Thanks, I believe that answers my question. I've already seen Devuan
running more or less like this, and it seemed to do okay. I am not
"against" systemd for ideological reasons; I only want my system to run
smoothly and efficiently, not to hang up, that kind of thing; and
something like this would seem to be my solution, at least temporarily.
As for getting off-topic, I will drop it for now, as I have got my own
answer, and leave others to work out these other issues that don't
concern me.
BTW, a trick to prevent systemd accidentally getting reinstalled as pid 1 on
updates - create a file in /etc/apt/preferences.d with following content:
Package: systemd-sysv
Pin: release o=Debian
Pin-Priority: -1
--
Nick Koretsky (nick.koretsky(a)gmail.com)
On the whole, Devuan runs much faster than Debian, and
also my system
doesn't hang. I started having these and other problems, and returned
for the moment to Debian Jessie, which runs okay, but hangs a lot,
and when I try to reboot seems to get permanently stuck on some stuff
called rpcbind and watchdog. (Also I note that systemd is always
doing something, don't know what.)
I am contemplating some kind of FrankenDebian hack (or rather,
FrankenDevuan). I seem to recall that somebody mentioned that sysvinit
could be installed, and systemd purged, on a Debian system. The do
upgrades from the Debian repositories, but keep sysvinit and avoid the
systemd problems.
This depend on what level you want to purge systemd. If it is not for
ideological reasons and you are ok with having all sysytemd libraries in
system, just want sysvinit as pid 1, then you just need to install
sysvinit-core and uninstall systemd-sysv.
9:38 p.m.
New subject: Debian with sysvinit
On Sunday 15 July 2018 01:34:01 Nick Koretsky wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 19:50:38 -0700
William Morder <doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com> wrote:
Thanks, I believe that answers my question. I've already seen Devuan
running more or less like this, and it seemed to do okay. I am not
"against" systemd for ideological reasons; I only want my system to run
smoothly and efficiently, not to hang up, that kind of thing; and
something like this would seem to be my solution, at least temporarily.
As for getting off-topic, I will drop it for now, as I have got my own
answer, and leave others to work out these other issues that don't
concern me.
BTW, a trick to prevent systemd accidentally getting reinstalled as pid 1
on updates - create a file in /etc/apt/preferences.d with following
content:
Package: systemd-sysv
Pin: release o=Debian
Pin-Priority: -1
Thanks to those recent tips from deloptes and Nick Koretsky, my system is now
purring like a kitten.
And I did find a file called avoid-systemd in that folder, so I copied it for
backup.
Bill
On the whole, Devuan runs much faster than Debian, and
also my system
doesn't hang. I started having these and other problems, and returned
for the moment to Debian Jessie, which runs okay, but hangs a lot,
and when I try to reboot seems to get permanently stuck on some stuff
called rpcbind and watchdog. (Also I note that systemd is always
doing something, don't know what.)
I am contemplating some kind of FrankenDebian hack (or rather,
FrankenDevuan). I seem to recall that somebody mentioned that
sysvinit could be installed, and systemd purged, on a Debian system.
The do upgrades from the Debian repositories, but keep sysvinit and
avoid the systemd problems.
This depend on what level you want to purge systemd. If it is not for
ideological reasons and you are ok with having all sysytemd libraries
in system, just want sysvinit as pid 1, then you just need to install
sysvinit-core and uninstall systemd-sysv.
6:41 a.m.
William Morder wrote:
I am contemplating some kind of FrankenDebian hack (or
rather,
FrankenDevuan). I seem to recall that somebody mentioned that sysvinit
could be installed, and systemd purged, on a Debian system. The do
upgrades from the Debian repositories, but keep sysvinit and avoid the
systemd problems.
I discussed this in the debian user list. I was pointed out that installing
sysv* (don't know exactly which one) replaces systemd as init process.
I have installed
ii sysv-rc 2.88dsf-59.9
all System-V-like runlevel change mechanism
ii sysvinit-core 2.88dsf-59.9
amd64 System-V-like init utilities
ii sysvinit-utils 2.88dsf-59.9
amd64 System-V-like utilities
systemd is still there, but it is not the init process and all works just
fine.
ii dbus-user-session 1.10.26-0+deb9u1
all simple interprocess messaging system (systemd --user
integration)
ii libpam-systemd:amd64 232-25+deb9u3
amd64 system and service manager - PAM module
ii libsystemd0:amd64 232-25+deb9u3
amd64 systemd utility library
ii libsystemd0:i386 232-25+deb9u3
i386 systemd utility library
ii systemd 232-25+deb9u3
amd64 system and service manager
ii systemd-shim 10-3
amd64 shim for systemd
I am pretty happy with this setup.
regards
7:22 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
On Saturday 14 July 2018 23:41:36 deloptes wrote:
William Morder wrote:
Right, that's where I am headed. I noticed that my Devuan system ran pretty
well before I uninstalled other systemd processes. If not for these bugs (or
whatever they are) that seem to be something new in Devuan, I was liking
Devuan better than Debian.
If it didn't involve breaking some rules and the risk of wrecking one's
system, they wouldn't call it hacking. :-] Well, anyway, I have been hacking
away on my own computers since about 1980-81; and when I briefly studied
computer programming in the 1970s, it meant IBM punch cards. So I am not
afraid of making a mess of things. It can always be restored.
Thanks for this information, as it will help me find my way. I have a lot of
Devuan packages that I've saved, but it's good to know what works for other
people.
Bill
I am contemplating some kind of FrankenDebian
hack (or rather,
FrankenDevuan). I seem to recall that somebody mentioned that sysvinit
could be installed, and systemd purged, on a Debian system. The do
upgrades from the Debian repositories, but keep sysvinit and avoid the
systemd problems.
I discussed this in the debian user list. I was pointed out that installing
sysv* (don't know exactly which one) replaces systemd as init process.
I have installed
ii sysv-rc 2.88dsf-59.9
all System-V-like runlevel change mechanism
ii sysvinit-core 2.88dsf-59.9
amd64 System-V-like init utilities
ii sysvinit-utils 2.88dsf-59.9
amd64 System-V-like utilities
systemd is still there, but it is not the init process and all works just
fine.
ii dbus-user-session 1.10.26-0+deb9u1
all simple interprocess messaging system (systemd --user
integration)
ii libpam-systemd:amd64 232-25+deb9u3
amd64 system and service manager - PAM module
ii libsystemd0:amd64 232-25+deb9u3
amd64 systemd utility library
ii libsystemd0:i386 232-25+deb9u3
i386 systemd utility library
ii systemd 232-25+deb9u3
amd64 system and service manager
ii systemd-shim 10-3
amd64 shim for systemd
I am pretty happy with this setup.
regards
14 Jul
14 Jul
10:44 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
On Sat July 14 2018 14:38:56 Stefan Krusche wrote:
Summary:
Installing either slim or tdm-trinity overwrites the default display
manager to /usr/bin/slim not depending on the way I changed default dm,
manually or with dpkg-reconfigure.
Note: dpkg-reconfigure slim says:
Please be sure to run "dpkg --configure tdm-trinity".
But also after doing so, the faulty behavior persists. See below.
So, I should create a bug report in trinity bugzilla, I think.
Slim has had bugs in this area for years, e.g.:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=580838
I don't see what this has to do with Trinity.
--Mike
10:53 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
On Saturday 14 July 2018 15:44:19 Mike Bird wrote:
On Sat July 14 2018 14:38:56 Stefan Krusche wrote:
I think it's just that slim gets installed (or configured) as our default
display manager, regardless what we do. On Devuan, anyway, that's what
started happening to me. Maybe it's happening in Debian, too.
It indirectly affects Trinity, if we cannot get tdm-trinity as our default
display manager.
Bill
Summary:
Installing either slim or tdm-trinity overwrites the default display
manager to /usr/bin/slim not depending on the way I changed default dm,
manually or with dpkg-reconfigure.
Note: dpkg-reconfigure slim says:
Please be sure to run "dpkg --configure tdm-trinity".
But also after doing so, the faulty behavior persists. See below.
So, I should create a bug report in trinity bugzilla, I think.
Slim has had bugs in this area for years, e.g.:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=580838
I don't see what this has to do with Trinity.
--Mike
11:10 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
On Sat July 14 2018 15:53:11 William Morder wrote:
It indirectly affects Trinity, if we cannot get
tdm-trinity as our default
display manager.
Bugs that affect Trinity are not necessarily Trinity bugs.
The Debian packaging of Slim has been known to mishandle default
display manager information for more than eight years, and this
affects all display managers not just Trinity. (I did not know
this before half a minute of searching today.)
I hope we can keep this Trinity list on topic.
--Mike
11:34 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
Am Sonntag, 15. Juli 2018 schrieb Mike Bird:
On Sat July 14 2018 14:38:56 Stefan Krusche wrote:
Alright, thanks, that throws a different light on the issue.
Stefan
Summary:
Installing either slim or tdm-trinity overwrites the default display
manager to /usr/bin/slim not depending on the way I changed default dm,
manually or with dpkg-reconfigure.
Note: dpkg-reconfigure slim says:
Please be sure to run "dpkg --configure tdm-trinity".
But also after doing so, the faulty behavior persists. See below.
So, I should create a bug report in trinity bugzilla, I think.
Slim has had bugs in this area for years, e.g.:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=580838
I don't see what this has to do with Trinity.
11:15 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 23:38:56 +0200
Stefan Krusche <linux(a)stefan-krusche.de> wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 4. Juli 2018 schrieb Nick Koretsky:
Um, no. This 99% not trinity bug. Your test result indicate bug in
either in dpkg or debconf, and considering i dont have this problem on
debian stretch it is probably a devuan introduced bug.
--
Nick Koretsky (nick.koretsky(a)gmail.com)
Ok, this looks normal. At this point if you want
to track down the bug,
i suggest following:
Force reinstall tdm-trinity (unless you clean apt-cache the package is
in /var/cache/apt/archives, just dpkg -i the last version.
Okay, I tested that. Here are the results:
Summary:
Installing either slim or tdm-trinity overwrites the default display
manager to /usr/bin/slim not depending on the way I changed default dm,
manually or with dpkg-reconfigure.
Note: dpkg-reconfigure slim says:
Please be sure to run "dpkg --configure tdm-trinity".
But also after doing so, the faulty behavior persists. See below.
So, I should create a bug report in trinity bugzilla, I think.
15 Jul
15 Jul
12:04 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
Am Sonntag, 15. Juli 2018 schrieb Nick Koretsky:
Um, no. This 99% not trinity bug. Your test result
indicate bug in
either in dpkg or debconf, and considering i dont have this problem on
debian stretch it is probably a devuan introduced bug.
I think I misunderstood your previous mail on 04.07.2018 from which I concluded
after I did the testing that it is a bug in tdm-trinity install scripts.
If it changed to slim - Force reinstall slim.
If default dm remained slim after that than this is a bug in tdm-trinity
install scripts, create a bug report in trinity bugzilla.
That is what happened in
all my tests.
If it changed back to tdm-trinity
That happened
in none of my tests.
Also I found an old bug report (#36) on trinity bugzilla[1] which described the
same problem with gdm and kdm-kde3 packages and which had been closed "due to
lack of response". That assured me somehow of having run into the same one.
than this is a bug in dpkg (probably devuan one, as i
dont have this problem
on stretch). Report this to devuan.
The slim package has been adopted by devuan.
After all, I think you're right.
Thanks again.
Kind regards,
Stefan
[1] https://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36#c0
12:15 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 02:04:07 +0200
Stefan Krusche <linux(a)stefan-krusche.de> wrote:
Am Sonntag, 15. Juli 2018 schrieb Nick Koretsky:
Yep i missed the case with reinstalling slim while tdm is a default. That
change to slim cannot happen as a result if tdm-trinity bug. It is also
cannot be a bug in slim because a change happens while reinstalling
tdm. This is a bug in debconf probably but maybe in dpkg. Well theoretically
there is a possibility that there are bugs in both slim and tdm-trinity
packages...
Um, no. This 99% not trinity bug. Your test
result indicate bug in
either in dpkg or debconf, and considering i dont have this problem on
debian stretch it is probably a devuan introduced bug.
I think I misunderstood your previous mail on 04.07.2018 from which I
concluded after I did the testing that it is a bug in tdm-trinity install
scripts.
If it changed to slim - Force reinstall slim.
If default dm remained slim after that than this is a bug in tdm-trinity
install scripts, create a bug report in trinity bugzilla.
That is what happened
in all my tests.
If it changed back to tdm-trinity
That
happened in none of my tests.
Also I found an old bug report (#36) on trinity bugzilla[1] which
described the same problem with gdm and kdm-kde3 packages and which had
been closed "due to lack of response". That assured me somehow of having
run into the same one.
--
Nick Koretsky (nick.koretsky(a)gmail.com)
than this is a bug in dpkg (probably devuan one,
as i dont have this
problem on stretch). Report this to devuan.
The slim package has been adopted by
devuan. After all, I think you're
right. Thanks again.
3:38 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
On Saturday 14 July 2018 17:15:02 Nick Koretsky wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 02:04:07 +0200
Stefan Krusche <linux(a)stefan-krusche.de> wrote:
Sorry, got to add my 2 cents' worth here. I believe that this must be a Devuan
bug; there could be problems with slim and tdm-trinity, although I think it
is immaterial to my point here.
The reason I would trace it to Devuan is that I only ever ran apt-get
dist-upgrade; I never tried to install slim or xfce, nor libreoffice, etc.,
but these were installed automatically. I had assumed, wrongly, that I would
get only upgrades of what was already installed.
For about three months previously, I had made no changes whatsoever to my
system, except periodically to run apt-get dist-upgrade; then suddenly I get
these extra packages installed. That's why I say it must be a Devuan bug, and
maybe a recent bug.
It looks like some of us need to join a Devuan mailing list, as well.
Bill
Am Sonntag, 15. Juli 2018 schrieb Nick Koretsky:
Yep i missed the case with reinstalling slim while tdm is a default. That
change to slim cannot happen as a result if tdm-trinity bug. It is also
cannot be a bug in slim because a change happens while reinstalling
tdm. This is a bug in debconf probably but maybe in dpkg. Well
theoretically there is a possibility that there are bugs in both slim and
tdm-trinity packages...
> Also I found an old bug report (#36) on trinity bugzilla[1] which
> described the same problem with gdm and kdm-kde3 packages and which had
> been closed "due to lack of response". That assured me somehow of having
> run into the same one.
>
> > than this is a bug in dpkg (probably devuan one, as i dont have this
> > problem on stretch). Report this to devuan.
>
> The slim package has been adopted by devuan. After all, I think you're
> right. Thanks again. Um, no. This 99% not trinity bug. Your test
result indicate bug in
either in dpkg or debconf, and considering i dont have this problem on
debian stretch it is probably a devuan introduced bug.
I think I misunderstood your previous mail on 04.07.2018 from which I
concluded after I did the testing that it is a bug in tdm-trinity install
scripts.
If it changed to slim - Force reinstall slim.
If default dm remained slim after that than this is a bug in
tdm-trinity install scripts, create a bug report in trinity bugzilla.
That is what happened in all my tests.
If it changed back to tdm-trinity
That happened in none of my tests.
4:16 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
On Sat July 14 2018 20:38:56 William Morder wrote:
Sorry, got to add my 2 cents' worth here. I
believe that this must be a
Devuan bug; there could be problems with slim and tdm-trinity, although I
think it is immaterial to my point here.
The reason I would trace it to Devuan is that I only ever ran apt-get
dist-upgrade; I never tried to install slim or xfce, nor libreoffice, etc.,
but these were installed automatically. I had assumed, wrongly, that I
would get only upgrades of what was already installed.
To upgrade existing packages use "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade".
"apt-get dist-upgrade" is only required in complex situations, e.g.
where other packages must be added or removed to accommodate package
upgrades. This normally only happens when upgrading to a new release.
Whenever "apt-get dist-upgrade" is needed it is important to carefully
check what apt-get proposes to do and determine to your own satisfaction
that the proposed actions are sensible, safe, and appropriate.
The information from "apt-get rdepends ..." and/or "aptitude why ..."
is the first step on the road to determining whether this is a Devuan
or Debian or PEBCAK problem.
--Mike
6:36 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
On Saturday 14 July 2018 21:16:45 Mike Bird wrote:
On Sat July 14 2018 20:38:56 William Morder wrote:
I always do that, except that I don't put the two commands together. Is there
some reason that it is better to run "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"
and
not "apt-get update" and then afterwards "apt-get upgrade"?
Sorry, got to add my 2 cents' worth here. I
believe that this must be a
Devuan bug; there could be problems with slim and tdm-trinity, although I
think it is immaterial to my point here.
The reason I would trace it to Devuan is that I only ever ran apt-get
dist-upgrade; I never tried to install slim or xfce, nor libreoffice,
etc., but these were installed automatically. I had assumed, wrongly,
that I would get only upgrades of what was already installed.
To upgrade existing packages use "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade".
"apt-get dist-upgrade" is only required in complex situations, e.g.
where other packages must be added or removed to accommodate package
upgrades. This normally only happens when upgrading to a new release.
Whenever "apt-get dist-upgrade" is needed it is important to carefully
check what apt-get proposes to do and determine to your own satisfaction
that the proposed actions are sensible, safe, and appropriate.
Yes, I ought to have checked the list carefully, but I wasn't expecting any
changes, as I had done this same thing many times previously without
incident. I will blame it on my messed-up sleep patterns, and try to be more
careful in future.
The information from "apt-get rdepends ..."
and/or "aptitude why ..."
is the first step on the road to determining whether this is a Devuan
or Debian or PEBCAK problem.
--Mike
I'll keep all this in mind when I try to get rid of systemd. Thanks for the
information.
Bill
7:34 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
On Sat July 14 2018 23:36:30 William Morder wrote:
On Saturday 14 July 2018 21:16:45 Mike Bird wrote:
The "&&" is an instruction to computers and a reminder to humans not to
do the upgrade if the update fails.
--Mike
To upgrade existing packages use "apt-get
update && apt-get upgrade".
I always do that, except that I don't put the two commands together. Is
there some reason that it is better to run "apt-get update && apt-get
upgrade" and not "apt-get update" and then afterwards "apt-get
upgrade"?
7:46 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
On Sunday 15 July 2018 00:34:41 Mike Bird wrote:
On Sat July 14 2018 23:36:30 William Morder wrote:
Oh, right. Is that like when I couldn't access Trinity's repositories (for
some reason, long time ago), and suddenly apt wanted to uninstall everything
TDE?
I've seen the && part of the command before, but mostly for getting keyrings,
etc., and I prefer to do stuff one step at a time, if possible, to watch
what's happening. However, I can (maybe) change.
Bill
On Saturday 14 July 2018 21:16:45 Mike Bird
wrote:
The "&&" is an instruction to computers and a reminder to humans not
to
do the upgrade if the update fails.
--Mike
To upgrade existing packages use "apt-get
update && apt-get upgrade".
I always do that, except that I don't put the two commands together. Is
there some reason that it is better to run "apt-get update && apt-get
upgrade" and not "apt-get update" and then afterwards "apt-get
upgrade"?
4:09 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
On Sat July 14 2018 14:38:56 Stefan Krusche wrote:
(Manually) changed /etc/X11/default-display-manager
back to tdm-trinity
This broke your installation and invalidated subsequent tests as
/etc/X11/default-display-manager no longer matches the value
in /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
dpkg-reconfigure is the way to go.
--Mike
8:25 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 21:09:41 -0700
Mike Bird <mgb-trinity(a)yosemite.net> wrote:
No this is irrelevant. tdm-trinity and slim install scripts do not check
this on install, only if debconf question about display manager was
answered.
--
Nick Koretsky (nick.koretsky(a)gmail.com)
(Manually)
changed /etc/X11/default-display-manager back to
tdm-trinity
This broke your installation and invalidated subsequent tests as
/etc/X11/default-display-manager no longer matches the value
in /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
dpkg-reconfigure is the way to go.
3 Jul
3 Jul
4:41 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] After recent upgrade on PSB: Not starting Trinity Display Manager
Quoting Stefan Krusche <linux(a)stefan-krusche.de>de>:
I'm using trinity 14.0.5 from preliminary stable builds on devuan
ascii (debian stretch).
Through the most recent upgrade, that I executed on 2018-07-02 11:42:01, tdm
(amongst a couple others) got upgraded:
tdm-trinity:amd64 (4:14.0.5~pre39-0debian9.0.0+6, 4:14.0.5~pre42-0debi
an9.0.0+6)
After this upgrade tdm wouldn't start anymore and in /var/log/boot I
found this error message:
Not starting Trinity Display Manager (tdm); it is not the default display
manager.
The file is there:
$ ls -l /etc/X11/default-display-manager
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14 Jul 2 11:42 /etc/X11/default-display-manager
And it says:
$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/usr/bin/slim
Solution:
$ dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity
Of course, tdm was the default display manager already before the
upgrade, and,
as you can guess from the above, slim is installed, too.
I think, it should not be necessary to reconfigure the display manager, or,
least, the user should be prompted to do so at installation.
IIRC, this happened already at the previous upgrade to ~pre39.
Has anybody seen this? Do you think it is a bug?
FWIW, I've seen this a time or two in Trinity 3.5.13 -- PSB.
Jonesy
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