9 Nov
2011
9 Nov
'11
1:24 p.m.
Hello,
A few words of presentation.
I am new to Trinity. I manage a Centos 5 server with users connected trough
Sunray devices. Centos 5 is stuck to KDE 3.5.4. There is a project
(http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/ ) providing KDE 3.5.10 but it seems to be
dead. It's why I am very excited about Trinity project.
I am trying Trinity 3.5.13. and have an issue with sound. Arts offers only
Alsa backend. In KDE 3.5.10, I have more choice. Sunray devices need OSS
which is available in KDE 3.5.10 but not in Trinity 3.5.13.
Is there a way to get OSS backend ?
Thank you.
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9 Nov
9 Nov
6:43 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] OSS support ?
Le 09/11/2011 14:24, Philippe Bourdeu d'Aguerre a écrit :
Hello,
A few words of presentation.
I am new to Trinity. I manage a Centos 5 server with users connected trough
Sunray devices. Centos 5 is stuck to KDE 3.5.4. There is a project
(http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/ ) providing KDE 3.5.10 but it seems to be
dead. It's why I am very excited about Trinity project.
I am trying Trinity 3.5.13. and have an issue with sound. Arts offers only
Alsa backend. In KDE 3.5.10, I have more choice. Sunray devices need OSS
which is available in KDE 3.5.10 but not in Trinity 3.5.13.
Is there a way to get OSS backend ?
Thank you.
Hello, I do not see any option to enable (or disable ...) OSS support in
TDE compilation.
Maybe a developer can enlighten us about this ?
7:07 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] OSS support ?
Am Mittwoch, 9. November 2011 schrieb Francois Andriot:
Le 09/11/2011 14:24, Philippe Bourdeu d'Aguerre a
écrit :
For Debian there's a compatibility package called "alsa-oss", which remaps
oss-calls to alsa, so there's no need for oss any more. There should be
somthing simillar for other distributions, too.
Hello,
A few words of presentation.
I am new to Trinity. I manage a Centos 5 server with users connected
trough Sunray devices. Centos 5 is stuck to KDE 3.5.4. There is a project
(http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/ ) providing KDE 3.5.10 but it seems
to be dead. It's why I am very excited about Trinity project.
I am trying Trinity 3.5.13. and have an issue with sound. Arts offers
only Alsa backend. In KDE 3.5.10, I have more choice. Sunray devices need
OSS which is available in KDE 3.5.10 but not in Trinity 3.5.13.
Is there a way to get OSS backend ?
Thank you.
Hello, I do not see any option to enable (or disable ...) OSS support in
TDE compilation.
Maybe a developer can enlighten us about this ?
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10 Nov
10 Nov
9:45 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] OSS support ?
Le mercredi 9 novembre 2011, Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp a écrit :
For Debian there's a compatibility package called
"alsa-oss", which remaps
oss-calls to alsa, so there's no need for oss any more. There should be
I think it's not what I need. As I understand it, we have:
application -> alsa calls -> alsa backend -> hardware
or
application -> oss calls -> alsa-oss -> alsa backend -> hardware
But Sunray sound kernel module supports only OSS backend:
application -> oss calls -> SunRay sound module -> Sunray
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9:58 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] OSS support ?
Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2011 schrieb Philippe Bourdeu d'Aguerre:
Le mercredi 9 novembre 2011, Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp a
écrit :
If "SunRay sound module" is a kernel module, then you've bad luck. As I
understand it OSS is not a beloved child on linux.
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For Debian there's a compatibility package
called "alsa-oss", which
remaps oss-calls to alsa, so there's no need for oss any more. There
should be
I think it's not what I need. As I understand it, we have:
application -> alsa calls -> alsa backend -> hardware
or
application -> oss calls -> alsa-oss -> alsa backend -> hardware
But Sunray sound kernel module supports only OSS backend:
application -> oss calls -> SunRay sound module -> Sunray
2:02 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] OSS support ?
On Thu, November 10, 2011 10:58, Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2011 schrieb Philippe
Bourdeu d'Aguerre:
Hello, correct me if I'm wrong, but all TDE applications are using Arts to
output sound. They do not output sound directly to Alsa or OSS.
The choice between Alsa and OSS is done in the Arts configuration (see
Trinity Control Panel). In my case, I can choose between "Automatic",
"Alsa", "OSS", "Nothing", and "Threaded sound
system".
Do you mean that you cannot choose OSS there ?
Le mercredi 9 novembre 2011, Mag. Dr. Nikolaus
Klepp a écrit :
For Debian there's a compatibility package
called "alsa-oss", which
remaps oss-calls to alsa, so there's no need for oss any more. There
should be
I think it's not what I need. As I understand it, we have:
application -> alsa calls -> alsa backend -> hardware
or
application -> oss calls -> alsa-oss -> alsa backend -> hardware
But Sunray sound kernel module supports only OSS backend:
application -> oss calls -> SunRay sound module -> Sunray
4:02 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] OSS support ?
Le jeudi 10 novembre 2011, François ANDRIOT a écrit :
Hello, correct me if I'm wrong, but all TDE
applications are using Arts to
output sound. They do not output sound directly to Alsa or OSS.
OK.
The choice between Alsa and OSS is done in the Arts
configuration (see
Trinity Control Panel).
OK.
In my case, I can choose between
"Automatic",
"Alsa", "OSS", "Nothing", and "Threaded sound
system".
Do you mean that you cannot choose OSS there ?
Yes. The choice is only "Automatic", "Nothing" and
"Alsa". With KDE 3.5.10, I
get also "OSS" and a few others.
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6:44 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] OSS support ?
Le 10/11/2011 17:02, Philippe Bourdeu d'Aguerre a écrit :
In my case, I can choose between
"Automatic",
From what I see in TDE control panel source code, the list of available
ARTS outputs is given with the command:
artsd -A
Under TDE 3.5.13, it gives the following result:
$ /opt/trinity/bin/artsd -A
possible choices for the audio i/o method:
null No Audio Input/Output
alsa Advanced Linux Sound Architecture
And I confirm that it returns the same result on all my TDE 3.5.13
builds (RHEL and Fedora).
Using the older ARTS from TDE 3.5.12 on the same machine, it gives the
result:
$ /opt/trinity/bin/artsd -A
possible choices for the audio i/o method:
oss Open Sound System
alsa Advanced Linux Sound Architecture
null No Audio Input/Output
esd Enlightened Sound Daemon
toss Threaded Open Sound System
It looks like ESD and OSS have vanished in ARTS 3.5.13.
Maybe they have been forgotten (intentionnaly or not) in the CMAKE port ?
I will look into it, but I'm not sure I'm able to do anything.
Francois
"Alsa", "OSS",
"Nothing", and "Threaded sound system".
Do you mean that you cannot choose OSS there ?
Yes. The choice is only "Automatic", "Nothing" and
"Alsa". With KDE 3.5.10, I
get also "OSS" and a few others. 
10:19 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] OSS support ?
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Francois Andriot
<francois.andriot(a)free.fr>wrote;wrote:
It looks like ESD and OSS have vanished in ARTS 3.5.13.
Maybe they have been forgotten (intentionnaly or not) in the CMAKE port ?
I will look into it, but I'm not sure I'm able to do anything.
Francois
If that were the case, I wouldn't hold it against them. While OSS support
would be nice, I'd imagine arts relies on the now legacy interfaces of the
original OSS. A transition over to OSS4 would probably be in order to make
it sensible to keep supporting it.
12 Nov
12 Nov
12:44 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] OSS support ?
Le 10/11/2011 17:02, Philippe Bourdeu d'Aguerre a écrit :
Le jeudi 10 novembre 2011, François ANDRIOT a écrit :
Yes. The choice is only "Automatic", "Nothing" and "Alsa".
With KDE 3.5.10, I
get also "OSS" and a few others.
Hello,
I've just compiled an ARTS version for RHEL5 which should support OSS
and Threaded-OSS.
As I thought, it was just forgotten in the CMAKE port, but all the code
is still in place, it was just not compiled.
You'll can get it on the mirror when it's available.
The updated package is:
trinity-arts-3.5.13-3.el5.opt.x86_64.rpm
The result is:
$ /opt/trinity/bin/artsd -A
possible choices for the audio i/o method:
toss Threaded Open Sound System
null No Audio Input/Output
alsa Advanced Linux Sound Architecture
oss Open Sound System
Please tell me, after testing it, if it works for you or not.
Thanks
Francois Andriot
11:21 a.m.
In article <4EBDC181.8080905(a)free.fr>fr>,
Francois Andriot <trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
Le 10/11/2011 17:02, Philippe Bourdeu d'Aguerre a
écrit :
Could you post the change, please ? It would help me too.
Thanks,
Nick
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Le jeudi 10 novembre 2011, François ANDRIOT a
écrit :
Yes. The choice is only "Automatic", "Nothing" and "Alsa".
With KDE 3.5.10, I
get also "OSS" and a few others.
Hello,
I've just compiled an ARTS version for RHEL5 which should support OSS
and Threaded-OSS.
As I thought, it was just forgotten in the CMAKE port, but all the code
is still in place, it was just not compiled.
11:43 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: OSS support ?
Le 12/11/2011 12:21, Nick Leverton a écrit :
In article<4EBDC181.8080905(a)free.fr>fr>,
Francois Andriot<trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
Hello, first, I send a copy of the mail to 'trinity-devel' since it's
not really an user question.
You will find the patch I made attached with this mail.
There is one drawback (I think), it's that I've hardcoded the following
line in 'config.h.cmake':
#define HAVE_IOCTL_INT_ULONGINT_DOTS 3
This value was guessed automatically when using autotools, but I did not
find how to replace it with a CMAKE equivalent.
The rest of the patch should be sane.
Also, I did not test OSS at all, so I don't even know if it works.
Francois Andriot
Le 10/11/2011 17:02, Philippe Bourdeu
d'Aguerre a écrit :
Could you post the change, please ?
It would help me too.
Thanks,
Nick Le jeudi 10 novembre 2011, François ANDRIOT a
écrit :
Yes. The choice is only "Automatic", "Nothing" and "Alsa".
With KDE 3.5.10, I
get also "OSS" and a few others.
Hello,
I've just compiled an ARTS version for RHEL5 which should support OSS
and Threaded-OSS.
As I thought, it was just forgotten in the CMAKE port, but all the code
is still in place, it was just not compiled.
14 Nov
14 Nov
1:54 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] OSS support ?
Hello,
Francois, thank you for your help.
Le samedi 12 novembre 2011, Francois Andriot a écrit :
I've just compiled an ARTS version for RHEL5 which
should support OSS
and Threaded-OSS.
As I thought, it was just forgotten in the CMAKE port, but all the code
is still in place, it was just not compiled.
You'll can get it on the mirror when it's available.
The updated package is:
trinity-arts-3.5.13-3.el5.opt.x86_64.rpm
The result is:
$ /opt/trinity/bin/artsd -A
possible choices for the audio i/o method:
toss Threaded Open Sound System
null No Audio Input/Output
alsa Advanced Linux Sound Architecture
oss Open Sound System
Please tell me, after testing it, if it works for you or not.
I can now get OSS backend for artsd. I can play sounds with artscat but
artsplay et button for sound testing in kcontrol didn't work.
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3:27 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] artsd sound decoding (was OSS support ?)
Le lundi 14 novembre 2011, Philippe Bourdeu d'Aguerre a écrit :
I can now get OSS backend for artsd. I can play sounds
with artscat but
artsplay et button for sound testing in kcontrol didn't work.
With a lower log level, when playing sound with artsplay, artsd gives:
UnixManager: got notifyIO
socketconnection created, fd = 9
search playobject, extension = wav
file format extension wav unsupported
It's the same with an .ogg file or .an au file
It's also the same with null backend.
So, OSS backend is OK (thanks Francois !) but I encounter another problem:
artsd can't decode sound formats.
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9:16 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] artsd sound decoding (was OSS support ?)
Le 14/11/2011 16:27, Philippe Bourdeu d'Aguerre a écrit :
Le lundi 14 novembre 2011, Philippe Bourdeu
d'Aguerre a écrit :
Hello, I found out this particular problem -
in fact, this is a totally
different problem: there is an incorrect path "/opt/trinity/lib"
compiled in ARTS instead of "/op/trinity/lib64" for x86_64.
I created a new patch (attached to this mail), which now also enables
ESD, and then rebuilt the RPM.
You can download the new RHEL5 RPM here:
http://trinity.mangafrance.com/el5/trinity-3.5.13/RPMS/x86_64/trinity-arts-…
Since I did not change the version number, just download the RPM then
install locally with:
rpm -Uvh --force trinity-arts-3.5.13-3.el5.opt.x86_64.rpm
Please, report me if it works or not.
Thanks
Francois Andriot
I can now get OSS backend for artsd. I can play
sounds with artscat but
artsplay et button for sound testing in kcontrol didn't work.
With a lower log
level, when playing sound with artsplay, artsd gives:
UnixManager: got notifyIO
socketconnection created, fd = 9
search playobject, extension = wav
file format extension wav unsupported
It's the same with an .ogg file or .an au file
It's also the same with null backend.
So, OSS backend is OK (thanks Francois !) but I encounter another problem:
artsd can't decode sound formats.
15 Nov
15 Nov
7:46 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] artsd sound decoding (was OSS support ?)
Le lundi 14 novembre 2011, Francois Andriot a écrit :
You can download the new RHEL5 RPM here:
http://trinity.mangafrance.com/el5/trinity-3.5.13/RPMS/x86_64/trinity-arts-
3.5.13-3.el5.opt.x86_64.rpm Since I did not change the version number, just
download the RPM then install locally with:
rpm -Uvh --force trinity-arts-3.5.13-3.el5.opt.x86_64.rpm
Please, report me if it works or not.
Tes, everything works fine: artsplay, .ogg, .wav and .au
Thank you François !
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