22 Feb
2016
22 Feb
'16
7:31 p.m.
Hello all,
Basically, this is possibly somewhat off topic, but as it's still TDE related,
maybe someone allready found a solution:
I've been using Kaffeine for years to watch DVB-S. Mor recently, I got a USB
DVB-C receiver (Sundtek) and it works relatively well (although I got
freezes).
My problem is that my Cable operator recently warned us that some programs
would stop being proposed in their non-HD version. Kaffeine, however, does
not work with the HD versions (at least I can't set them up).
Eye TV (on a Mac Mini) works (I use that as a recorder under my TV set). Am I
missing some settings on Kaffeine (0.8.8)?
Thierry
23 Feb
23 Feb
4:19 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Kaffeine and HDTV
On Monday 22 February 2016 14:31:38 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
Hello all,
Basically, this is possibly somewhat off topic, but as it's still TDE
related, maybe someone allready found a solution:
I've been using Kaffeine for years to watch DVB-S. Mor recently, I got
a USB DVB-C receiver (Sundtek) and it works relatively well (although
I got freezes).
My problem is that my Cable operator recently warned us that some
programs would stop being proposed in their non-HD version. Kaffeine,
however, does not work with the HD versions (at least I can't set them
up).
Eye TV (on a Mac Mini) works (I use that as a recorder under my TV
set). Am I missing some settings on Kaffeine (0.8.8)?
I am a retired television engineer.
When we made the switch to HD on this side of the pond called the
Atlantic, it was to a whole new signal format, including all new
transmitters, at least in the below 1 kilowatt driver stages. I expect
much the same occured in your neck of the woods there in .ch land. So
basically, whatever card you were using in your computer to receive the
signals, will probably have to be replaced by a card that can decode the
newer, highly compressed digital signals. On an old tv card, this new
signal we're using here cannot be seen as it looks almost exactly like a
blank, off air channel showing whats best described as "snow".
What we are using here now is called 8-VSB, but there are at least 3
other competing digital signal formats extant on this planet today.
I am, but not working well, the audio pops in and out, using a
pcHDTV-3000 pci card here, with kaffeine. I was going to check it, but
either the card has totally died, or the antenna has been disconnected
in some of my other riggings here. I am not on a cable or dish, big
rooftop antenna here, and the rest of my tv's are all working fine.
But that can't effect you. I'd expect the card will need to be replaced
with a newer, digital capable card.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
7:02 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Kaffeine and HDTV
On Tuesday 23 February 2016 05.19:05 Gene Heskett wrote:
I am a retired television engineer.
(...)
But that can't effect you. I'd expect the card will need to be replaced
with a newer, digital capable card.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Thanks Gene, I'm happy you understand more in the matter than I do. However,
the problem should not be analog vs digital. I do get digital TV on the
Sundtek receiver.
The problem is HD vs SD. I do get digital SD, what I don't get is digital HD.
I don't care - I used the computer to watch news when my daughter or wife use
the television - but they are closing the SD channels on the satellite (says
my provider) so we can only watch HD in the (very) near future.
So the Sundtek will become useless if I loose these channels (the other ones I
allready get directly by satellite).
I've tried to generate a config file with w_scan but it crashes badly before
writing the file. When I have some spare time I'll try installing under
Windows and/or Mac to see if I can confirm the stick _can_ do HD, in which
case it would be a Linux problem.
Regards,
Thierry
8:27 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Kaffeine and HDTV
On Tuesday 23 February 2016 02:02:06 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Tuesday 23 February 2016 05.19:05 Gene Heskett
wrote:
In the event that it works for HD with winderz but not linux, the list to
ask next would be the v4l list on vger.kernel.org (I think, I've not
been on it in a couple years) Some pretty sharp digital video folks
hang out there. You'll need to show them the lspci or lsusb/lshw output
so they can properly ID the chipset in the stick.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
I am a retired television engineer.
(...)
But that can't effect you. I'd expect the card will need to be
replaced with a newer, digital capable card.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Thanks Gene, I'm happy you understand more in the matter than I do.
However, the problem should not be analog vs digital. I do get digital
TV on the Sundtek receiver.
The problem is HD vs SD. I do get digital SD, what I don't get is
digital HD. I don't care - I used the computer to watch news when my
daughter or wife use the television - but they are closing the SD
channels on the satellite (says my provider) so we can only watch HD
in the (very) near future.
So the Sundtek will become useless if I loose these channels (the
other ones I allready get directly by satellite).
I've tried to generate a config file with w_scan but it crashes badly
before writing the file. When I have some spare time I'll try
installing under Windows and/or Mac to see if I can confirm the stick
_can_ do HD, in which case it would be a Linux problem.
Regards,
Thierry
2:17 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Kaffeine and HDTV
On Tuesday 23 February 2016 09.27:39 Gene Heskett wrote:
In the event that it works for HD with winderz but not
linux, the list to
ask next would be the v4l list on vger.kernel.org (I think, I've not
been on it in a couple years) Some pretty sharp digital video folks
hang out there. You'll need to show them the lspci or lsusb/lshw output
so they can properly ID the chipset in the stick.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
I can confirm that it works with Windows (same stick, on the same machine).
There seem to be two problems:
a) Can Kaffeine display HD TV? If not there's not much to do short of looking
for another program.
b) How can I create a new program list, as w_scan crashes (so badly that it
locks the machine competely).
I'll take a look at the v4l list. thanks.
Regards,
Thierry
3:26 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Kaffeine and HDTV
On Tuesday 23 February 2016 09:17:34 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Tuesday 23 February 2016 09.27:39 Gene Heskett
wrote:
Yes, works well with the 4 signals, 8 "channels" that I can get off air
here.
In the event that it works for HD with winderz
but not linux, the
list to ask next would be the v4l list on vger.kernel.org (I think,
I've not been on it in a couple years) Some pretty sharp digital
video folks hang out there. You'll need to show them the lspci or
lsusb/lshw output so they can properly ID the chipset in the stick.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
I can confirm that it works with Windows (same stick, on the same
machine). There seem to be two problems:
a) Can Kaffeine display HD TV? If not there's not much to do short of
looking for another program.
b) How can I create a new program list, as w_scan crashes (so badly
that it locks the machine competely).
I haven't encountered that, however, without a signal it marches right
thru our american tv band reporting nothing found in nominally 1 minute.
But it doesn't crash. Possibly a contaminated line in the standard file
your locale would use? Guessing of course, aka known as a SWAG, for a
Scientific Wild Assed Guess. ;-)
Here, w_scan didn't ring any bells, so I did the usual search for likely
suspects, and came up with this:
gene@coyote:/usr/src/dvb-atsc-tools-1.0.8$ ls -l `locate w_scan`
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 810 Feb 11
06:16 /opt/trinity/lib/trinity/kview_scannerplugin.la
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 28372 Feb 11
06:23 /opt/trinity/lib/trinity/kview_scannerplugin.so
From those dates, its been updated recently, and while kaffiene still
say's its 8.8, thats obviously been updated recently by TDE r14.0.3
here. Are you up to date?
I'd mildly fault the kaffeine people for not configuring us a way to
specify by manual entry, a channel vs frequency input. That might take
technical info not at the average users fingertips. Perhaps it will
happen eventually?
I'll take a look at the v4l list. thanks.
Regards,
Thierry
Take care,
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
24 Feb
24 Feb
1:01 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Kaffeine and HDTV
On 02/23/2016 06:26 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Tuesday 23 February 2016 09:17:34 Thierry de Coulon
wrote:
Kaffeine is based on xine libraries, the latest version in Debian
Stretch supports bluray, This is using TDE R14.0.3
One thing I always try with Trinity issues is, login as a new user and
see if the problems disappears.
I do have issues with Kafffeine that make it to painful to use, esp with
so many choices available.
FYI, Handbrake is a super transcoder for video, create my own video files.
greg m
On Tuesday 23 February 2016 09.27:39 Gene Heskett
wrote:
Yes, works well with the 4 signals, 8 "channels" that I can get off air
here.
In the event that it works for HD with winderz
but not linux, the
list to ask next would be the v4l list on vger.kernel.org (I think,
I've not been on it in a couple years) Some pretty sharp digital
video folks hang out there. You'll need to show them the lspci or
lsusb/lshw output so they can properly ID the chipset in the stick.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
I can confirm that it works with Windows (same stick, on the same
machine). There seem to be two problems:
a) Can Kaffeine display HD TV? If not there's not much to do short of
looking for another program.
b) How can I create a new program list, as w_scan crashes (so badly
that it locks the machine competely).
I haven't encountered that, however, without a signal it marches right
thru our american tv band reporting nothing found in nominally 1 minute.
But it doesn't crash. Possibly a contaminated line in the standard file
your locale would use? Guessing of course, aka known as a SWAG, for a
Scientific Wild Assed Guess. ;-)
Here, w_scan didn't ring any bells, so I did the usual search for likely
suspects, and came up with this:
gene@coyote:/usr/src/dvb-atsc-tools-1.0.8$ ls -l `locate w_scan`
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 810 Feb 11
06:16 /opt/trinity/lib/trinity/kview_scannerplugin.la
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 28372 Feb 11
06:23 /opt/trinity/lib/trinity/kview_scannerplugin.so
From those dates, its been updated recently, and while kaffiene still
say's its 8.8, thats obviously been updated recently by TDE r14.0.3
here. Are you up to date?
I'd mildly fault the kaffeine people for not configuring us a way to
specify by manual entry, a channel vs frequency input. That might take
technical info not at the average users fingertips. Perhaps it will
happen eventually?
I'll take a look at the v4l list. thanks.
Regards,
Thierry
Take care,
Cheers, Gene Heskett
5:25 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Kaffeine and HDTV
On Wednesday 24 February 2016 02.01:09 Greg Madden wrote:
Kaffeine is based on xine libraries, the latest
version in Debian
Stretch supports bluray, This is using TDE R14.0.3
One thing I always try with Trinity issues is, login as a new user and
see if the problems disappears.
I do have issues with Kafffeine that make it to painful to use, esp with
so many choices available.
FYI, Handbrake is a super transcoder for video, create my own video files.
greg m
Hi Greg,
I use Kaffeine to receive and record Satellite TV, no problem. I also use
Handbrake to convert DVDs. To create video I rather use Kdenlive.
My two problems for the moment are, as I said, that I can't get HD senders to
show on Kaffeine-trinity (0.8.8/wheezy) and I can't produce a new channels
list for either Kaffeine or VLC with w_scan because trying that hangs the
computer. KDE 4's Kaffeine does not show DVB at all (but there may be a
conflict, because I don't manage to start Kaffeine 1.2 from the cli, the very
same command found in the TDE "start menu" starts kaffeine-trinity from the
cli)
I _know_ that the DVB-C stick _can_ do HD because I do get HD TV with Windows.
I have another machine running Jessie so I'll try on that one when I have the
time to install the required driver.
Thierry
26 Feb
26 Feb
5:07 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Kaffeine and HDTV
On Tuesday 23 February 2016 09:17:34 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Tuesday 23 February 2016 09.27:39 Gene Heskett
wrote:
kaffeine can display HD TV, but I've had to move some firmware around so
it could be found and uploaded to my card, and I can report that tv test
utilities that are supplied by the pcHDTV-3000 card (that I have)
vendor, now display all the local channels signal strengths with
dtvscan, and that dtvsnr now reports sensible values on the active
channels, and likewise dtvsignal shows sensible signal strengths on the
locally active channels.
HOWEVER, kaffeine is not finding what dtvscan discovers, IMNSHO because
it scans about 20x faster than the card can achieve lock on a new
frequency, ignoring the 1.5 to 2 or even 5 seconds allowed for lock time
in one of its setup menu's. kaffeine's scanner claims it has scanned
half a gigahertz and found nothing in something under a minute. dtvscan
takes around 3, maybe 4 minutes, starting at channel 2, to find and
report good signals on north american atsc channels 5, 10, 12, and 33.
In the event that it works for HD with winderz
but not linux, the
list to ask next would be the v4l list on vger.kernel.org (I think,
I've not been on it in a couple years) Some pretty sharp digital
video folks hang out there. You'll need to show them the lspci or
lsusb/lshw output so they can properly ID the chipset in the stick.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
I can confirm that it works with Windows (same stick, on the same
machine). There seem to be two problems:
a) Can Kaffeine display HD TV? If not there's not much to do short of
looking for another program. b) How can I create a new program list, as w_scan
crashes (so badly
that it locks the machine competely).
You may have something missplaced, before I could make the cards
software/firmware load, I had to cp the contents
of /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/* to /lib/firmware. It seems todays
systems have moved the default location for this stuff, which for my
card, was set 9 years ago, in 2007. Along that same train of thought,
perhaps something kaffeine needs has been moved. Its all stable here,
no crashes while exploring the dvb menu's, but it doesn't work either.
I see it has the ability to manually add a channel but haven't tried
that, I should have at least one eye open, which this time of the night
locally, isn't always the state. Theoretically, I should be able to use
the data that dtvsignal reports to compose a manually added entry.
These utilities I mention are of course specific to this card, hopefully
you have similar utilities available for your card or dongle?
So you may want to take a look at your dmesg output for messages
similar to this:
[56092.124304] or51132: Waiting for firmware
upload(dvb-fe-or51132-vsb.fw)...
[56092.124323] cx88-mpeg driver manager 0000:01:08.2: firmware: failed to
load dvb-fe-or51132-vsb.fw (-2)
[56092.124327] cx88-mpeg driver manager 0000:01:08.2: Direct firmware
load failed with error -2
[56092.124329] cx88-mpeg driver manager 0000:01:08.2: Falling back to
user helper
Which should look more like this, card diffs notwithstanding:
[56620.469051] or51132: Waiting for firmware
upload(dvb-fe-or51132-vsb.fw)...
[56620.469454] cx88-mpeg driver manager 0000:01:08.2: firmware:
direct-loading firmware dvb-fe-or51132-vsb.fw
[56623.063706] or51132: Version: 10001134-19430000 (113-4-194-3)
[56623.064325] or51132: Firmware upload complete.
And, noting the cx88 above, an "lsmod | grep cx88" returns quite a
lengthy list of suspects:
gene@coyote:/usr/src/dvb-atsc-tools-1.0.8$ lsmod |grep cx88
cx88_dvb 30487 0
cx88_vp3054_i2c 12564 1 cx88_dvb
videobuf_dvb 12762 1 cx88_dvb
dvb_core 101854 3 cx88_dvb,videobuf_dvb,or51132
cx8800 35230 0
cx8802 17368 1 cx88_dvb
cx88xx 80293 3 cx88_dvb,cx8800,cx8802
btcx_risc 12555 3 cx8800,cx8802,cx88xx
tveeprom 20593 1 cx88xx
videobuf_dma_sg 17248 4 cx88_dvb,cx8800,cx8802,cx88xx
videobuf_core 21831 5
videobuf_dma_sg,videobuf_dvb,cx8800,cx8802,cx88xx
rc_core 22405 13
ir_sharp_decoder,lirc_dev,ir_lirc_codec,rc_hauppauge,ir_rc5_decoder,ir_nec_decoder,ir_sony_decoder,cx88xx,ir_mce_kbd_decoder,ir_jvc_decoder,ir_rc6_decoder,ir_sanyo_decoder
v4l2_common 12995 3 tuner,cx8800,cx88xx
videodev 130540 4 tuner,cx8800,cx88xx,v4l2_common
i2c_algo_bit 12751 3 cx88_vp3054_i2c,cx88xx,nouveau
i2c_core 50108 17
drm,cx88_dvb,tuner,drm_kms_helper,tda8290,tda9887,i2c_algo_bit,cx88_vp3054_i2c,cx8800,cx88xx,v4l2_common,tveeprom,nouveau,tuner_simple,or51132,i2c_nforce2,videodev
I would assume that for whatever chipset is in your device, you would be
getting a similar output as above, chipset diffs notwithsranding.
Maybe there is a clue here for you. For me, its plain that kaffeine
itself isn't functional as currently configured on my machine, using the
TDE version of 8.8.
I'll take a look at the v4l list. thanks.
Regards,
Thierry
Cheers Thierry, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
6 Mar
6 Mar
1:36 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Kaffeine and HDTV
On Friday 26 February 2016 00:07:27 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Tuesday 23 February 2016 09:17:34 Thierry de Coulon
wrote:
Ping!! First, did this hep Theirry?
And I am still dead here,
I have installed all the xawtv stuff only to find that no ATSC
functionaliy has been added. It can get the 1 signal from a 10 watt
translator about 20 miles away that is still broadcasting in NTSC
format, but at that distance and wattage, the signal to noise is about
1/1 when conditions are good, perhaps 5% of the time.
I have installed all the dvb_apps and friends, but while it finds
the "Oren OR51132 VSB/QAM Frontend" doesnt support TERRCABLE_ATSC
apparently not finding the atsc list for std terrestrial broadcasting in
the US, so until I can find a configurator to tell it different, thats
out.
That leaves kaffeine, whose scanner scans about 3 or 4 channels a second,
not giving this card adequate time to lock to the signal so it
registers.
the KDE version of kaffeine did in fact work well with this card an
iteration or 2 back up the log, not too long before I installed TDE in
fact. However, I can find no means to slow its at least 10x too fast
channel scan that it does now. And the site it got program listngs from
seems to be defunct too.
Is there not another application yet that will play ATSC broadcasts?
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
On Tuesday 23 February 2016 09.27:39 Gene Heskett
wrote:
kaffeine can display HD TV, but I've had to move some firmware around
so it could be found and uploaded to my card, and I can report that tv
test utilities that are supplied by the pcHDTV-3000 card (that I have)
vendor, now display all the local channels signal strengths with
dtvscan, and that dtvsnr now reports sensible values on the active
channels, and likewise dtvsignal shows sensible signal strengths on
the locally active channels.
HOWEVER, kaffeine is not finding what dtvscan discovers, IMNSHO
because it scans about 20x faster than the card can achieve lock on a
new frequency, ignoring the 1.5 to 2 or even 5 seconds allowed for
lock time in one of its setup menu's. kaffeine's scanner claims it
has scanned half a gigahertz and found nothing in something under a
minute. dtvscan takes around 3, maybe 4 minutes, starting at channel
2, to find and report good signals on north american atsc channels 5,
10, 12, and 33.
In the event that it works for HD with winderz
but not linux, the
list to ask next would be the v4l list on vger.kernel.org (I
think, I've not been on it in a couple years) Some pretty sharp
digital video folks hang out there. You'll need to show them the
lspci or lsusb/lshw output so they can properly ID the chipset in
the stick.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
I can confirm that it works with Windows (same stick, on the same
machine). There seem to be two problems:
a) Can Kaffeine display HD TV? If not there's not much to do short
of looking for another program. b) How can I create a new program list, as w_scan
crashes (so badly
that it locks the machine competely).
You may have something missplaced, before I could make the cards
software/firmware load, I had to cp the contents
of /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/* to /lib/firmware. It seems todays
systems have moved the default location for this stuff, which for my
card, was set 9 years ago, in 2007. Along that same train of thought,
perhaps something kaffeine needs has been moved. Its all stable here,
no crashes while exploring the dvb menu's, but it doesn't work either.
I see it has the ability to manually add a channel but haven't tried
that, I should have at least one eye open, which this time of the
night locally, isn't always the state. Theoretically, I should be
able to use the data that dtvsignal reports to compose a manually
added entry.
These utilities I mention are of course specific to this card,
hopefully you have similar utilities available for your card or
dongle?
So you may want to take a look at your dmesg output for messages
similar to this:
[56092.124304] or51132: Waiting for firmware
upload(dvb-fe-or51132-vsb.fw)...
[56092.124323] cx88-mpeg driver manager 0000:01:08.2: firmware: failed
to load dvb-fe-or51132-vsb.fw (-2)
[56092.124327] cx88-mpeg driver manager 0000:01:08.2: Direct firmware
load failed with error -2
[56092.124329] cx88-mpeg driver manager 0000:01:08.2: Falling back to
user helper
Which should look more like this, card diffs notwithstanding:
[56620.469051] or51132: Waiting for firmware
upload(dvb-fe-or51132-vsb.fw)...
[56620.469454] cx88-mpeg driver manager 0000:01:08.2: firmware:
direct-loading firmware dvb-fe-or51132-vsb.fw
[56623.063706] or51132: Version: 10001134-19430000 (113-4-194-3)
[56623.064325] or51132: Firmware upload complete.
And, noting the cx88 above, an "lsmod | grep cx88" returns quite a
lengthy list of suspects:
gene@coyote:/usr/src/dvb-atsc-tools-1.0.8$ lsmod |grep cx88
cx88_dvb 30487 0
cx88_vp3054_i2c 12564 1 cx88_dvb
videobuf_dvb 12762 1 cx88_dvb
dvb_core 101854 3 cx88_dvb,videobuf_dvb,or51132
cx8800 35230 0
cx8802 17368 1 cx88_dvb
cx88xx 80293 3 cx88_dvb,cx8800,cx8802
btcx_risc 12555 3 cx8800,cx8802,cx88xx
tveeprom 20593 1 cx88xx
videobuf_dma_sg 17248 4 cx88_dvb,cx8800,cx8802,cx88xx
videobuf_core 21831 5
videobuf_dma_sg,videobuf_dvb,cx8800,cx8802,cx88xx
rc_core 22405 13
ir_sharp_decoder,lirc_dev,ir_lirc_codec,rc_hauppauge,ir_rc5_decoder,ir
_nec_decoder,ir_sony_decoder,cx88xx,ir_mce_kbd_decoder,ir_jvc_decoder,i
r_rc6_decoder,ir_sanyo_decoder v4l2_common 12995 3
tuner,cx8800,cx88xx
videodev 130540 4 tuner,cx8800,cx88xx,v4l2_common
i2c_algo_bit 12751 3 cx88_vp3054_i2c,cx88xx,nouveau
i2c_core 50108 17
drm,cx88_dvb,tuner,drm_kms_helper,tda8290,tda9887,i2c_algo_bit,cx88_vp
3054_i2c,cx8800,cx88xx,v4l2_common,tveeprom,nouveau,tuner_simple,or5113
2,i2c_nforce2,videodev
I would assume that for whatever chipset is in your device, you would
be getting a similar output as above, chipset diffs notwithsranding.
Maybe there is a clue here for you. For me, its plain that kaffeine
itself isn't functional as currently configured on my machine, using
the TDE version of 8.8.
I'll take a look at the v4l list. thanks.
Regards,
Thierry
Cheers Thierry, Gene Heskett
1:58 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Kaffeine and HDTV
On Sunday 06 March 2016 08:36:19 Gene Heskett wrote:
[...]
And I am still dead here,
I have installed all the xawtv stuff only to find that no ATSC
functionaliy has been added. It can get the 1 signal from a 10 watt
translator about 20 miles away that is still broadcasting in NTSC
format, but at that distance and wattage, the signal to noise is about
1/1 when conditions are good, perhaps 5% of the time.
I have installed all the dvb_apps and friends, but while it finds
the "Oren OR51132 VSB/QAM Frontend" doesnt support TERRCABLE_ATSC
apparently not finding the atsc list for std terrestrial broadcasting
in the US, so until I can find a configurator to tell it different,
thats out.
That leaves kaffeine, whose scanner scans about 3 or 4 channels a
second, not giving this card adequate time to lock to the signal so it
registers.
the KDE version of kaffeine did in fact work well with this card an
iteration or 2 back up the log, not too long before I installed TDE in
fact. However, I can find no means to slow its at least 10x too fast
channel scan that it does now. And the site it got program listngs
from seems to be defunct too.
Is there not another application yet that will play ATSC broadcasts?
Cheers, Gene Heskett
From a gentoo forum message, its both a module loading order problem, and
a missing module problem. It seems one must unload cx88-dvb, at which
point kaffeine loses its DVB button, and load cx88-atsc. But that
module does not exist on my system, and the synaptics search function is
coming up empty.
Where can I source that module?
Thanks.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
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soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
2:15 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Kaffeine and HDTV
On Sunday 06 March 2016 13:58:51 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 06 March 2016 08:36:19 Gene Heskett wrote:
[...]
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=cx88-atsc&searchon=names&am…
:-(
Lisi
And I am still dead here,
I have installed all the xawtv stuff only to find that no ATSC
functionaliy has been added. It can get the 1 signal from a 10 watt
translator about 20 miles away that is still broadcasting in NTSC
format, but at that distance and wattage, the signal to noise is about
1/1 when conditions are good, perhaps 5% of the time.
I have installed all the dvb_apps and friends, but while it finds
the "Oren OR51132 VSB/QAM Frontend" doesnt support TERRCABLE_ATSC
apparently not finding the atsc list for std terrestrial broadcasting
in the US, so until I can find a configurator to tell it different,
thats out.
That leaves kaffeine, whose scanner scans about 3 or 4 channels a
second, not giving this card adequate time to lock to the signal so it
registers.
the KDE version of kaffeine did in fact work well with this card an
iteration or 2 back up the log, not too long before I installed TDE in
fact. However, I can find no means to slow its at least 10x too fast
channel scan that it does now. And the site it got program listngs
from seems to be defunct too.
Is there not another application yet that will play ATSC broadcasts?
Cheers, Gene Heskett
From a gentoo forum message, its both a module loading order problem, and
a missing module problem. It seems one must unload cx88-dvb, at which
point kaffeine loses its DVB button, and load cx88-atsc. But that
module does not exist on my system, and the synaptics search function is
coming up empty.
6:45 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Kaffeine and HDTV
On Sunday 06 March 2016 09:15:31 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 06 March 2016 13:58:51 Gene Heskett wrote:
yes, turns out its part of one of the two toolkits named in the gentoo
forums, only one of which, the earlier one now exists in wget-able form
you can dl from their site. Unfortunately, the Makefile and
dependencies all appear to be 2.6.12 dependent, so a make bails out
about 10 lines into the makefile, squawking about missing this and
missing that. All of this crap including the forum contents of their
pchdtv web site, comes essentially to an end sometime in 2007! So the
info is very badly out of date.
Messages to tech support, first one in 7 or 8 years, about 2 weeks ago,
have not bounced, but have not been graced with a reply either.
So, I guess the next question IS: what cards are folks using to watch
hidef tv on their uptodate kerneled linux computers, and which both
works well and has good support from the vendor?
To me its apparent pcHDTV, which I thought was king of the hill, no
longer cares. Linux marches on, but their drivers and Makefiles have
not and other than the free standing tools, which I have used to tell me
the card still works, but the applications that formerly used to work
well with it, like kaffeine, no longer work. So I need a new card, must
be PCI, no PCI-e on this old Asus motherboard. From googling, the only
PCI is the pcHDTV-5500. USB is out as this motherboard only has USB2.0,
not fast enough. And I am not contemplating building a new machine that
does have PCI-e and USB-3 interfaces.
Thanks.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
On Sunday 06 March 2016 08:36:19 Gene Heskett
wrote:
[...]
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=cx88-atsc&searchon=names&am…
uite=all§ion=all
:-(
Lisi
And I am still dead here,
I have installed all the xawtv stuff only to find that no ATSC
functionaliy has been added. It can get the 1 signal from a 10
watt translator about 20 miles away that is still broadcasting in
NTSC format, but at that distance and wattage, the signal to noise
is about 1/1 when conditions are good, perhaps 5% of the time.
I have installed all the dvb_apps and friends, but while it finds
the "Oren OR51132 VSB/QAM Frontend" doesnt support TERRCABLE_ATSC
apparently not finding the atsc list for std terrestrial
broadcasting in the US, so until I can find a configurator to tell
it different, thats out.
That leaves kaffeine, whose scanner scans about 3 or 4 channels a
second, not giving this card adequate time to lock to the signal
so it registers.
the KDE version of kaffeine did in fact work well with this card
an iteration or 2 back up the log, not too long before I installed
TDE in fact. However, I can find no means to slow its at least 10x
too fast channel scan that it does now. And the site it got
program listngs from seems to be defunct too.
Is there not another application yet that will play ATSC
broadcasts?
Cheers, Gene Heskett
From a gentoo forum message, its both a module loading order
problem, and a missing module problem. It seems one must unload
cx88-dvb, at which point kaffeine loses its DVB button, and load
cx88-atsc. But that module does not exist on my system, and the
synaptics search function is coming up empty. 
8:12 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Kaffeine and HDTV
On Sunday 06 March 2016 14.36:19 Gene Heskett wrote:
Ping!! First, did this hep Theirry?
Hi Gene,
The answer is "note really yet".
What I have done so far:
I have installed a fresh Jessie on another machine (the "old" install is
Wheezy) and managed to create a channels.dvb file (so the hangs seem linked
to the Wheezy machine).
With this file I can get the HD channels - sort of: I get the sound but not
the picture (on Kaffeine-Trinity; Kaffeine (KDE 4) does not see DVB at all).
So I have three possibilities:
- Kaffeine-Trinity can't show HD
- I have a cable problem
- I have a stick problem
I've received another DVB STick (Hauppauge PCTV 292e). It runs with Jessie
(Wheezy's kernel is too old) but the connector in not compatble with my DVB-C
cable so I'm waiting for an adapter. DVB-T works.
Maybe in afew days when I get the adapter I can debug this more. I could live
with DVB-T but reception is very difficult with an indoor antenna and and
outdoor antenna is a problem.
Thierry
17 Mar
17 Mar
10:41 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Kaffeine and HDTV
OK, so I have replaced the Sundtek USB DVB-C stick with an Hauppauge 292e one
and I get HDTV. I also get a lot more channels, so there was a hardware
problem.
Kaffeine tends to freeze and sometimes crash however (sorry to say that it
works far better on Windows).
There is something I'd like to try: on starting DVB, Keffeine
says "Deinterlace on" - it takes some time after that to get a picture,
sometimes frozen, then most of the time it does work.
There seems to be a way to turn deintelace off, but I haven't found it yet.
There is nothing about it in kaffeinerc, maybe I should add a line? Does
anyone know?
Thierry
11:08 p.m.
Thierry de Coulon wrote:
OK, so I have replaced the Sundtek USB DVB-C stick
with an Hauppauge 292e
one and I get HDTV. I also get a lot more channels, so there was a
hardware problem.
Kaffeine tends to freeze and sometimes crash however (sorry to say that it
works far better on Windows).
There is something I'd like to try: on starting DVB, Keffeine
says "Deinterlace on" - it takes some time after that to get a picture,
sometimes frozen, then most of the time it does work.
There seems to be a way to turn deintelace off, but I haven't found it
yet. There is nothing about it in kaffeinerc, maybe I should add a line?
Does anyone know?
Thierry
But Kaffeine is xine based. Did you try with other ex mplayer based or vlc?
I ported kplayer exactly for that reason - it works much better (in terms of
features) with my DVB-T stick. Before DVB it was the only one doing analog
channels properly and with the appropriate config file DVB is a charm.
However since we moved out of the city, we don't have good signal. Never
mind, I suggest trying another player and if it is not a kernel/driver
issue you will enjoy it.
regards
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