lord how i hate upgrades anymore. not so much talking tde here but ubuntu. anyway, installed ubuntu 14.04LTS, i think -- i wonder if it blew up someplace, because it didn't, for instance, install grub so i had to do some commandline stuff to get it to boot from the new kernel. oh, for a return to lilo! but i think i have it all installed and somewhat working. more or less. so, then, installed tde. except that kmail doesn't work. so i started it from konsole. it says "kmail: error while loading shared libraries:libmailprivate.so:cannot open shared object file:no such file or directory" i'm really hoping that ubuntu is not trying to stick me with a kde4.x thing. so to begin with, i should ask: is "kmail" the command to start the tde version of kmail? -- dep The shortest distance between you and playing great acoustic guitar: the great new instructional DVDs from Marjorie Thompson, available at www.MarjorieThompson.com