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This is very interesting
Thanks, John, for letting us know about this amazing accomplishment! Very kuhl!
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This is very interesting
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This is too amazing! Congratulations!
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Thanks, John, for letting us know about this amazing accomplishment! Very kuhl!
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You do realise this is the 2nd time this has been on the mailing list don't you?
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This is too amazing! Congratulations!
On 10/19/2016 02:19 AM, elcaseti . wrote:
Thanks, John, for letting us know about this amazing accomplishment! Very kuhl!
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Hi,
Thank you for sharing such a nice post related to KDE 1 running on Fedora 25 keep it up and share more on your blog.
Aehm ... can't we just disable sending email over hyperkitty?
Anno domini 2020 Tue, 10 Nov 11:49:46 -0000 amlidajame25@gmail.com scripsit:
Hi,
Thank you for sharing such a nice post related to KDE 1 running on Fedora 25 keep it up and share more on your blog.
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On Tuesday 10 November 2020 08:22:10 Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
On 2020/11/10 08:00 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Aehm ... can't we just disable sending email over hyperkitty?
+1!!
+2!!!
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Congratulations to the sender of the post for second place in getting a ban in the mailing list!
I need to investigate whether Hyperkitty has settings that could be used to disable sending posts from web == disable its use as a discussion forum. It is a pity that the added value is deservedly punished :(
There is another possible level of defense: to set up newly subscribed users not only to have to confirm their email address, but also to be approved by a moderator. That could be an acceptable compromise.
What is your opinion?
Cheers
Anno domini 2020 Tue, 10 Nov 15:38:13 +0100 Slávek Banko via tde-users scripsit:
[...] There is another possible level of defense: to set up newly subscribed users not only to have to confirm their email address, but also to be approved by a moderator. That could be an acceptable compromise.
What is your opinion?
Would be a start. But I think the spamers will just add another strategy to steal the mods time and get past him.
Nik
Cheers
On 2020/11/10 10:46 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Tue, 10 Nov 15:38:13 +0100 Slávek Banko via tde-users scripsit:
[...] There is another possible level of defense: to set up newly subscribed users not only to have to confirm their email address, but also to be approved by a moderator. That could be an acceptable compromise.
What is your opinion?
Would be a start. But I think the spamers will just add another strategy to steal the mods time and get past him.
Nik
Is there an option to allow hyperkitty web interface only for "approved" users? This way users can still subscribe easily to ML but would not have automatic access to the web interface.
Other idea: is it possible to force emails sent from web interface to another server and then back to mail server for distribution to ML? this way spam msgs should get caught by spam filters. Like having an intermediate email address. From web interface go automatically to this intermediate address on different server == filter out spam. Then this server forward to ML. Or maybe have hyperkitty GUI on a separate front end of hyperkitty backend
Just thwroing around lose thoughts :-)
Cheers Michele
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Anno domini 2020 Tue, 10 Nov 15:38:13 +0100 Slávek Banko via tde-users scripsit:
[...] There is another possible level of defense: to set up newly subscribed users not only to have to confirm their email address, but also to be approved by a moderator. That could be an acceptable compromise.
What is your opinion?
Would be a start. But I think the spamers will just add another strategy to steal the mods time and get past him.
Nik
Is there an option to allow hyperkitty web interface only for "approved" users? This way users can still subscribe easily to ML but would not have automatic access to the web interface.
Other idea: is it possible to force emails sent from web interface to another server and then back to mail server for distribution to ML? this way spam msgs should get caught by spam filters. Like having an intermediate email address. From web interface go automatically to this intermediate address on different server == filter out spam. Then this server forward to ML. Or maybe have hyperkitty GUI on a separate front end of hyperkitty backend
Just thwroing around loose thoughts :-)
Cheers Michele
I was offered once, through spam off my website’s contact form which is basically the same as the hyperkitty web interface, to purchase submissions to contact forms to promote my business for US $0.01 each. Per that:
If it wastes someone's time (our mods/our members), then it’s not worth it as it basically costs the spammers nothing to spam us.
The idea of a web interface is good, but, it’s always going to get spammers.
I put a 9 character image CAPTCHA on my contact form, which drops my contact form spam from 5-200[1] per day to 5-10 per year. It does piss real people off and I know I lose business because of it.
If the hyperkitty doesn’t have something like a draconian CAPTCHA, then my suggestion is to turn it off. We are a mailing list, not a web forum.
My 2 cents, Michael
[1] A high of 200 in one day is probably exceeding low, I know at one point I had to just bulk delete everything received during a long weekend as it was multi-thousands of contact form messages. Lesson of that story, math CAPTCHA is useless.
On Tuesday 10 of November 2020 16:23:58 Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
On 2020/11/10 10:46 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Tue, 10 Nov 15:38:13 +0100
Slávek Banko via tde-users scripsit:
[...] There is another possible level of defense: to set up newly subscribed users not only to have to confirm their email address, but also to be approved by a moderator. That could be an acceptable compromise.
What is your opinion?
Would be a start. But I think the spamers will just add another strategy to steal the mods time and get past him.
Nik
Is there an option to allow hyperkitty web interface only for "approved" users? This way users can still subscribe easily to ML but would not have automatic access to the web interface.
It seems that the only way to approve a user is when subscribing to the ML.
Other idea: is it possible to force emails sent from web interface to another server and then back to mail server for distribution to ML? this way spam msgs should get caught by spam filters. Like having an intermediate email address. From web interface go automatically to this intermediate address on different server == filter out spam. Then this server forward to ML. Or maybe have hyperkitty GUI on a separate front end of hyperkitty backend
To be precise: Hyperkitty creates the mail and forwards it to the local mail server. Mail server performs the usual checks, including antispam / antivirus checks (using RSPAMD). But here the message gets (must get) an advantage - no checks based on the sender's IP address are applied. The message is then submited to the mailman. There, messages are created for individual recipients and forwarded back to the mail server for distribution. Again, these are locally transmitted messages.
So the message actually goes through the spam filter twice, just like all other messages coming in by email. Only they have an advantage.
Using some other mail server is a problem - there messages could be rejected due to (poorly designed) SPF technology. There would have to be the same exception from the tests based on the sender's IP address => again the opportunity not to get points for these tests. So it does not serve the intended purpose.
Just thwroing around loose thoughts :-)
Ideas are welcome.
Cheers Michele
Cheers
Hello everyone.
New Trinity user here. :)
I joined the mailing list recently via the e-mail address on the web site. Would it be easier to just simply use Mailman and discontinue the use of Hyperkitty?
Although I've never knowingly used or joined anything via Hyperkitty, in looking at it, it seems like it's a duplication of efforts with respect to a mailing list.
On Tuesday 10 of November 2020 18:59:05 Edward via tde-users wrote:
Hello everyone.
New Trinity user here. :)
I joined the mailing list recently via the e-mail address on the web site. Would it be easier to just simply use Mailman and discontinue the use of Hyperkitty?
Although I've never knowingly used or joined anything via Hyperkitty, in looking at it, it seems like it's a duplication of efforts with respect to a mailing list.
Hi Edward, welcome,
Hyperkitty primarily provides a web archive for mailing lists - our web archive for our Mailman. It's something we definitely want :)
Cheers
Dear Slavek,
10.Nov.2020 at 18:38 you wrote:
Ideas are welcome.
What a fuzz! 1 spam-mail - maybe 2 - in a week generates at least 5 times so much reactions from only a little handfull of users. Mostly with quote on quote on quote... Ridiculous. Just neglect the spam all and everyone! and then all the mails here will be enjoyable to read again.
Peter.
phiebie@drei.at wrote:
What a fuzz! 1 spam-mail - maybe 2 - in a week generates at least 5 times so much reactions from only a little handfull of users. Mostly with quote on quote on quote... Ridiculous. Just neglect the spam all and everyone! and then all the mails here will be enjoyable to read again.
It's because TDE is so stable that we are bored (jocking)
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Anno domini 2020 Tue, 10 Nov 20:41:31 +0100 deloptes via tde-users scripsit:
phiebie@drei.at wrote:
What a fuzz! 1 spam-mail - maybe 2 - in a week generates at least 5 times so much reactions from only a little handfull of users. Mostly with quote on quote on quote... Ridiculous. Just neglect the spam all and everyone! and then all the mails here will be enjoyable to read again.
It's because TDE is so stable that we are bored (jocking)
And I'm so happy that I'm not the only one with a defective keyboard :)
BTW, I just ran across KDE 1 in the archive, but on a SuSE CD from the golden times. Didn't boot on my modern T60, which is a pitty.
Nik
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
And I'm so happy that I'm not the only one with a defective keyboard :)
or tired from working over hours :/
BTW, I just ran across KDE 1 in the archive, but on a SuSE CD from the golden times. Didn't boot on my modern T60, which is a pitty.
vm or qemu?
I wonder how people have time to do such things - makes me think I do something wrong in my life. Why would one spend time on KDE1?! I can understand a person that is interested in the history of KDE ... but how many people write dissertations about history of KDE?
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Anno domini 2020 Wed, 11 Nov 08:01:58 +0100 deloptes via tde-users scripsit:
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
And I'm so happy that I'm not the only one with a defective keyboard :)
or tired from working over hours :/
BTW, I just ran across KDE 1 in the archive, but on a SuSE CD from the golden times. Didn't boot on my modern T60, which is a pitty.
vm or qemu?
Ah, good point.
I wonder how people have time to do such things - makes me think I do something wrong in my life. Why would one spend time on KDE1?! I can understand a person that is interested in the history of KDE ... but how many people write dissertations about history of KDE?
Well, it's about computer history. Identify the corners and shortcuts that took us into current mess. I know, "from history we learn that we do not learn from history". But seome are interested and worried. What was it like in 1997? What went wrong? Do you remember the time when computers were a tool to help you, not to spy on you?
Nik
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On Tuesday 10 November 2020 23:36:08 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 11 Nov 08:01:58 +0100
I wonder how people have time to do such things - makes me think I do something wrong in my life. Why would one spend time on KDE1?! I can understand a person that is interested in the history of KDE ... but how many people write dissertations about history of KDE?
Well, it's about computer history. Identify the corners and shortcuts that took us into current mess. I know, "from history we learn that we do not learn from history". But seome are interested and worried. What was it like in 1997? What went wrong? Do you remember the time when computers were a tool to help you, not to spy on you?
Nik
Yes, one can read about such a computer here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abacus
Bill
On Wednesday 11 November 2020 10:15:47 am William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Tuesday 10 November 2020 23:36:08 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 11 Nov 08:01:58 +0100
I wonder how people have time to do such things - makes me think I do something wrong in my life. Why would one spend time on KDE1?! I can understand a person that is interested in the history of KDE ... but how many people write dissertations about history of KDE?
Well, it's about computer history. Identify the corners and shortcuts that took us into current mess. I know, "from history we learn that we do not learn from history". But seome are interested and worried. What was it like in 1997? What went wrong? Do you remember the time when computers were a tool to help you, not to spy on you?
Nik
Yes, one can read about such a computer here:
Funny story (not),
I was working at Dell at the time when Windows 95 was beta released (mid ‘94 ish). The network group (being real IT geeks) did some ‘testing’ (using the pre-cursor to wireshark) and found that if the Win95 install had network access then Win95 1) did a full disk scan, 2) packaged that up and sent it to a Microsoft server, and 3) deleted all traces of the disk scan.
Why I remember it, is it amused me that they were in their lab yanking the plug out of the wall half way through an install then sticking the drive into another PC (Unix!) to see what Win95 was doing.
So, probably, the last time Windows didn’t ‘spy on you’ was probably Win 3.1. Only because it couldn't.
Best, Michael
On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 08:36:08 +0100 "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" office@klepp.biz wrote:
Well, it's about computer history. Identify the corners and shortcuts that took us into current mess. I know, "from history we learn that we do not learn from history". But seome are interested and worried. What was it like in 1997? What went wrong? Do you remember the time when computers were a tool to help you, not to spy on you?
Nik
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Desktop_Environment_1
KDE 1.0 was formally released in 1998.
As for 1997...well, that's when I bought my first real PC. Six years later, I began to use Linux and never looked back :)
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 18:38:36 +0100 Slávek Banko via tde-users users@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
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On 2020/11/10 10:46 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Tue, 10 Nov 15:38:13 +0100
Slávek Banko via tde-users scripsit:
[...] There is another possible level of defense: to set up newly subscribed users not only to have to confirm their email address, but also to be approved by a moderator. That could be an acceptable compromise.
What is your opinion?
Would be a start. But I think the spamers will just add another strategy to steal the mods time and get past him.
Nik
Is there an option to allow hyperkitty web interface only for "approved" users? This way users can still subscribe easily to ML but would not have automatic access to the web interface.
It seems that the only way to approve a user is when subscribing to the ML.
Okay, so would it be possible to completely block the mail-posting form and/or the script that takes the form data and passes it to the outbound server? By brute force (.htaccess or mangling the code) if there's no other way? I think most of us can live without being able to post to the MLs through the website. We really only want hyperkitty for the archiving features.
Requiring moderator approval of first messages is second-best in terms of strategies, because it eats into the mods' time.
E. Liddell
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On Tuesday 10 of November 2020 12:49:46 amlidajame25@gmail.com wrote:
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Thank you for sharing such a nice post related to KDE 1 running on Fedora 25 keep it up and share more on your blog.
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Congratulations to the sender of the post for second place in getting a ban in the mailing list!
I need to investigate whether Hyperkitty has settings that could be used to disable sending posts from web == disable its use as a discussion forum. It is a pity that the added value is deservedly punished :(
There is another possible level of defense: to set up newly subscribed users not only to have to confirm their email address, but also to be approved by a moderator. That could be an acceptable compromise.
What is your opinion?
Cheers
Its used by multiple lists, in a form that requires a moderators ok for the first post only. Cuts the spam to dribble. The debian-users list is freely postable but with some spam filters that don't always work, so when my isp rejects them, I get threatening msgs for stuff I've never seen. But I've never hit the auto-unsub level, so I let it ride. They do try, and thats good enough.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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