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http://www.heliocastro.info/?p=291
This is very interesting
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New subject: [trinity-users] KDE 1 running on Fedora 25
Thanks, John, for letting us know about this amazing accomplishment! Very
kuhl!
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 4:37 AM, Pisini, John <pisinij(a)csps.com> wrote:
http://www.heliocastro.info/?p=291
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New subject: [trinity-users] KDE 1 running on Fedora 25
This is too amazing! Congratulations!
On 10/19/2016 02:19 AM, elcaseti . wrote:
Thanks, John, for letting us know about this amazing
accomplishment! Very
kuhl!
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http://www.heliocastro.info/?p=291
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You do realise this is the 2nd time this has been on the mailing list don't
you?
On 19 October 2016 at 18:24, Joe <joegum(a)joegum.com> wrote:
This is too amazing! Congratulations!
On 10/19/2016 02:19 AM, elcaseti . wrote:
Thanks, John, for letting us know about this
amazing accomplishment! Very
kuhl!
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 4:37 AM, Pisini, John <pisinij(a)csps.com> wrote:
http://www.heliocastro.info/?p=291
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New subject: [trinity-users] KDE 1 running on Fedora 25
Hi,
Thank you for sharing such a nice post related to KDE 1 running on Fedora 25 keep it up
and share more on your blog.
https://dmoat.com/
noon
New subject: [trinity-users] KDE 1 running on Fedora 25
Aehm ... can't we just disable sending email over hyperkitty?
Anno domini 2020 Tue, 10 Nov 11:49:46 -0000
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Thank you for sharing such a nice post related to KDE 1 running on Fedora 25 keep it up
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New subject: [trinity-users] KDE 1 running on Fedora 25
On Tuesday 10 November 2020 08:22:10 Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
On 2020/11/10 08:00 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
+2!!!
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Aehm ... can't we just disable sending email
over hyperkitty?
+1!! 
2:38 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KDE 1 running on Fedora 25
On Tuesday 10 of November 2020 12:49:46 amlidajame25(a)gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Thank you for sharing such a nice post related to KDE 1 running on
Fedora 25 keep it up and share more on your blog.
https://dmoat.com/
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Congratulations to the sender of the post for second place in getting a ban
in the mailing list!
I need to investigate whether Hyperkitty has settings that could be used to
disable sending posts from web == disable its use as a discussion forum.
It is a pity that the added value is deservedly punished :(
There is another possible level of defense: to set up newly subscribed
users not only to have to confirm their email address, but also to be
approved by a moderator. That could be an acceptable compromise.
What is your opinion?
Cheers
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2:46 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KDE 1 running on Fedora 25
Anno domini 2020 Tue, 10 Nov 15:38:13 +0100
Slávek Banko via tde-users scripsit:
[...]
There is another possible level of defense: to set up newly subscribed
users not only to have to confirm their email address, but also to be
approved by a moderator. That could be an acceptable compromise.
What is your opinion?
Would be a start. But I think the spamers will just add another strategy to steal the mods
time and get past him.
Nik
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New subject: [trinity-users] KDE 1 running on Fedora 25
On 2020/11/10 10:46 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Tue, 10 Nov 15:38:13 +0100
Slávek Banko via tde-users scripsit:
Is there an option to allow hyperkitty web interface only for "approved" users?
This way users can still subscribe
easily to ML but would not have automatic access to the web interface.
Other idea: is it possible to force emails sent from web interface to another server and
then back to mail server for
distribution to ML? this way spam msgs should get caught by spam filters. Like having an
intermediate email address.
From web interface go automatically to this intermediate address on different server ==
filter out spam. Then this
server forward to ML. Or maybe have hyperkitty GUI on a separate front end of hyperkitty
backend
Just thwroing around lose thoughts :-)
Cheers
Michele
[...]
There is another possible level of defense: to set up newly subscribed
users not only to have to confirm their email address, but also to be
approved by a moderator. That could be an acceptable compromise.
What is your opinion?
Would be a start. But I think the spamers will just add another strategy to steal the
mods time and get past him.
Nik
3:23 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KDE 1 running on Fedora 25
On 2020/11/10 10:46 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Tue, 10 Nov 15:38:13 +0100
Slávek Banko via tde-users scripsit:
Is there an option to allow hyperkitty web interface only for "approved" users?
This way users can still subscribe
easily to ML but would not have automatic access to the web interface.
Other idea: is it possible to force emails sent from web interface to another server and
then back to mail server for
distribution to ML? this way spam msgs should get caught by spam filters. Like having an
intermediate email address.
From web interface go automatically to this intermediate address on different server ==
filter out spam. Then this
server forward to ML. Or maybe have hyperkitty GUI on a separate front end of hyperkitty
backend
Just thwroing around loose thoughts :-)
Cheers
Michele
[...]
There is another possible level of defense: to set up newly subscribed
users not only to have to confirm their email address, but also to be
approved by a moderator. That could be an acceptable compromise.
What is your opinion?
Would be a start. But I think the spamers will just add another strategy to steal the
mods time and get past him.
Nik
4:07 p.m.
New subject: Spam on our list
I was offered once, through spam off my website’s contact form which is
basically the same as the hyperkitty web interface, to purchase submissions
to contact forms to promote my business for US $0.01 each. Per that:
If it wastes someone's time (our mods/our members), then it’s not worth it as
it basically costs the spammers nothing to spam us.
The idea of a web interface is good, but, it’s always going to get spammers.
I put a 9 character image CAPTCHA on my contact form, which drops my contact
form spam from 5-200[1] per day to 5-10 per year. It does piss real people
off and I know I lose business because of it.
If the hyperkitty doesn’t have something like a draconian CAPTCHA, then my
suggestion is to turn it off. We are a mailing list, not a web forum.
My 2 cents,
Michael
[1] A high of 200 in one day is probably exceeding low, I know at one point I
had to just bulk delete everything received during a long weekend as it was
multi-thousands of contact form messages. Lesson of that story, math CAPTCHA
is useless.
5:38 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KDE 1 running on Fedora 25
On Tuesday 10 of November 2020 16:23:58 Michele Calgaro via tde-users
wrote:
On 2020/11/10 10:46 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
It seems that the only way to approve a user is when subscribing to the ML.
Anno domini 2020 Tue, 10 Nov 15:38:13 +0100
Slávek Banko via tde-users scripsit:
Is there an option to allow hyperkitty web interface only for "approved"
users? This way users can still subscribe easily to ML but would not
have automatic access to the web interface.
[...]
There is another possible level of defense: to set up newly
subscribed users not only to have to confirm their email address, but
also to be approved by a moderator. That could be an acceptable
compromise.
What is your opinion?
Would be a start. But I think the spamers will just add another
strategy to steal the mods time and get past him.
Nik Other idea: is it possible to force emails sent from
web interface to
another server and then back to mail server for distribution to ML? this
way spam msgs should get caught by spam filters. Like having an
intermediate email address. From web interface go automatically to this
intermediate address on different server == filter out spam. Then this
server forward to ML. Or maybe have hyperkitty GUI on a separate front
end of hyperkitty backend
To be precise: Hyperkitty creates the mail and forwards it to the local
mail server. Mail server performs the usual checks, including antispam /
antivirus checks (using RSPAMD). But here the message gets (must get) an
advantage - no checks based on the sender's IP address are applied. The
message is then submited to the mailman. There, messages are created for
individual recipients and forwarded back to the mail server for
distribution. Again, these are locally transmitted messages.
So the message actually goes through the spam filter twice, just like all
other messages coming in by email. Only they have an advantage.
Using some other mail server is a problem - there messages could be
rejected due to (poorly designed) SPF technology. There would have to be
the same exception from the tests based on the sender's IP address =>
again the opportunity not to get points for these tests. So it does not
serve the intended purpose.
Just thwroing around loose thoughts :-)
Ideas are welcome.
Cheers
Michele
Cheers
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5:59 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KDE 1 running on Fedora 25
Hello everyone.
New Trinity user here. :)
I joined the mailing list recently via the e-mail address on the web
site. Would it be easier to just simply use Mailman and discontinue
the use of Hyperkitty?
Although I've never knowingly used or joined anything via Hyperkitty, in
looking at it, it seems like it's a duplication of efforts with respect
to a mailing list.
6:25 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KDE 1 running on Fedora 25
On Tuesday 10 of November 2020 18:59:05 Edward via tde-users wrote:
Hello everyone.
New Trinity user here. :)
I joined the mailing list recently via the e-mail address on the web
site. Would it be easier to just simply use Mailman and discontinue
the use of Hyperkitty?
Although I've never knowingly used or joined anything via Hyperkitty, in
looking at it, it seems like it's a duplication of efforts with respect
to a mailing list.
____________________________________________________
Hi Edward, welcome,
Hyperkitty primarily provides a web archive for mailing lists - our web
archive for our Mailman. It's something we definitely want :)
Cheers
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6:21 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KDE 1 running on Fedora 25
Dear Slavek,
10.Nov.2020 at 18:38 you wrote:
Ideas are welcome.
What a fuzz!
1 spam-mail - maybe 2 - in a week generates at least 5 times so much
reactions from only a little handfull of users. Mostly with quote on
quote on quote... Ridiculous.
Just neglect the spam all and everyone! and then all the mails here will
be enjoyable to read again.
Peter.
7:41 p.m.
phiebie(a)drei.at wrote:
What a fuzz!
1 spam-mail - maybe 2 - in a week generates at least 5 times so much
reactions from only a little handfull of users. Mostly with quote on
quote on quote... Ridiculous.
Just neglect the spam all and everyone! and then all the mails here will
be enjoyable to read again.
It's because TDE is so stable that we are bored (jocking)
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Anno domini 2020 Tue, 10 Nov 20:41:31 +0100
deloptes via tde-users scripsit:
phiebie(a)drei.at wrote:
And I'm so happy that I'm not the only one with a defective keyboard :)
BTW, I just ran across KDE 1 in the archive, but on a SuSE CD from the golden times.
Didn't boot on my modern T60, which is a pitty.
Nik
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What a fuzz!
1 spam-mail - maybe 2 - in a week generates at least 5 times so much
reactions from only a little handfull of users. Mostly with quote on
quote on quote... Ridiculous.
Just neglect the spam all and everyone! and then all the mails here will
be enjoyable to read again.
It's because TDE is so stable that we are bored (jocking)
11 Nov
11 Nov
7:01 a.m.
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
And I'm so happy that I'm not the only one
with a defective keyboard :)
or tired from working over hours :/
BTW, I just ran across KDE 1 in the archive, but on a
SuSE CD from the
golden times. Didn't boot on my modern T60, which is a pitty.
vm or qemu?
I wonder how people have time to do such things - makes me think I do
something wrong in my life.
Why would one spend time on KDE1?!
I can understand a person that is interested in the history of KDE ... but
how many people write dissertations about history of KDE?
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deloptes via tde-users scripsit:
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Ah, good point.
And I'm so happy that I'm not the only
one with a defective keyboard :)
or tired from working over hours :/
BTW, I just ran across KDE 1 in the archive, but
on a SuSE CD from the
golden times. Didn't boot on my modern T60, which is a pitty.
vm or qemu?
I wonder how people have time to do such things - makes me think I do
something wrong in my life.
Why would one spend time on KDE1?!
I can understand a person that is interested in the history of KDE ... but
how many people write dissertations about history of KDE?
Well, it's about computer history. Identify the corners and shortcuts that took us
into current mess. I know, "from history we learn that we do not learn from
history". But seome are interested and worried. What was it like in 1997? What went
wrong? Do you remember the time when computers were a tool to help you, not to spy on
you?
Nik
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On Tuesday 10 November 2020 23:36:08 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Yes, one can read about such a computer here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abacus
Bill
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 11 Nov 08:01:58 +0100
I wonder how
people have time to do such things - makes me think I do
something wrong in my life.
Why would one spend time on KDE1?!
I can understand a person that is interested in the history of KDE ...
but how many people write dissertations about history of KDE?
Well, it's about computer history. Identify the corners and shortcuts that
took us into current mess. I know, "from history we learn that we do not
learn from history". But seome are interested and worried. What was it like
in 1997? What went wrong? Do you remember the time when computers were a
tool to help you, not to spy on you?
Nik
4:50 p.m.
On Wednesday 11 November 2020 10:15:47 am William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Tuesday 10 November 2020 23:36:08 Dr. Nikolaus
Klepp wrote:
Funny story (not),
I was working at Dell at the time when Windows 95 was beta released (mid ‘94
ish). The network group (being real IT geeks) did some ‘testing’ (using the
pre-cursor to wireshark) and found that if the Win95 install had network
access then Win95 1) did a full disk scan, 2) packaged that up and sent it to
a Microsoft server, and 3) deleted all traces of the disk scan.
Why I remember it, is it amused me that they were in their lab yanking the
plug out of the wall half way through an install then sticking the drive into
another PC (Unix!) to see what Win95 was doing.
So, probably, the last time Windows didn’t ‘spy on you’ was probably Win 3.1.
Only because it couldn't.
Best,
Michael
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 11 Nov 08:01:58 +0100
Yes, one can read about such a computer here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abacus I wonder how people have time to do such things -
makes me think I do
something wrong in my life.
Why would one spend time on KDE1?!
I can understand a person that is interested in the history of KDE ...
but how many people write dissertations about history of KDE?
Well, it's about computer history. Identify the corners and shortcuts
that took us into current mess. I know, "from history we learn that we do
not learn from history". But seome are interested and worried. What was
it like in 1997? What went wrong? Do you remember the time when computers
were a tool to help you, not to spy on you?
Nik
5:17 p.m.
On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 08:36:08 +0100
"Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office(a)klepp.biz> wrote:
Well, it's about computer history. Identify the
corners and shortcuts
that took us into current mess. I know, "from history we learn that
we do not learn from history". But seome are interested and worried.
What was it like in 1997? What went wrong? Do you remember the time
when computers were a tool to help you, not to spy on you?
Nik
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Desktop_Environment_1
KDE 1.0 was formally released in 1998.
As for 1997...well, that's when I bought my first real PC. Six years
later, I began to use Linux and never looked back :)
4 Jan
4 Jan
10:47 a.m.
Get Your Own Pilot Simulation Game:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tgp.offroad.usarmy.cargo.…
5 Jan
5 Jan
6:53 a.m.
KDE Plasma installation on Fedora is a straightforward process and doesn't require an
experienced Linux user.Use your favourite package management tool (yum, dnf, kpackagekit)
to install sudo yum|dnf install switchdesk-gui , run the switchdesk command and select
KDE.
click counter
<a href=”https://clickcounter.info/>click counter</a>.
10 Nov
10 Nov
6:28 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KDE 1 running on Fedora 25
On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 18:38:36 +0100
Slávek Banko via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
On Tuesday 10 of November 2020 16:23:58 Michele
Calgaro via tde-users
wrote:
Okay, so would it be possible to completely block the mail-posting form
and/or the script that takes the form data and passes it to the outbound
server? By brute force (.htaccess or mangling the code) if there's no
other way? I think most of us can live without being able to post to the
MLs through the website. We really only want hyperkitty for the archiving
features.
Requiring moderator approval of first messages is second-best in terms
of strategies, because it eats into the mods' time.
E. Liddell
On 2020/11/10 10:46 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
wrote:
It seems that the only way to approve a user is when subscribing to the ML. Anno domini 2020 Tue, 10 Nov 15:38:13 +0100
Slávek Banko via tde-users scripsit:
Is there an option to allow hyperkitty web interface only for "approved"
users? This way users can still subscribe easily to ML but would not
have automatic access to the web interface.
[...]
There is another possible level of defense: to set up newly
subscribed users not only to have to confirm their email address, but
also to be approved by a moderator. That could be an acceptable
compromise.
What is your opinion?
Would be a start. But I think the spamers will just add another
strategy to steal the mods time and get past him.
Nik
6:04 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KDE 1 running on Fedora 25
On Tuesday 10 November 2020 09:38:13 Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote:
On Tuesday 10 of November 2020 12:49:46
amlidajame25(a)gmail.com wrote:
Its used by multiple lists, in a form that requires a moderators ok for
the first post only. Cuts the spam to dribble. The debian-users list is
freely postable but with some spam filters that don't always work, so
when my isp rejects them, I get threatening msgs for stuff I've never
seen. But I've never hit the auto-unsub level, so I let it ride. They
do try, and thats good enough.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Hi,
Thank you for sharing such a nice post related to KDE 1 running on
Fedora 25 keep it up and share more on your blog.
https://dmoat.com/
____________________________________________________
Congratulations to the sender of the post for second place in getting
a ban in the mailing list!
I need to investigate whether Hyperkitty has settings that could be
used to disable sending posts from web == disable its use as a
discussion forum. It is a pity that the added value is deservedly
punished :(
There is another possible level of defense: to set up newly subscribed
users not only to have to confirm their email address, but also to be
approved by a moderator. That could be an acceptable compromise.
What is your opinion?
Cheers 
23 Nov
23 Nov
10:26 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KDE 1 running on Fedora 25
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