On Sunday 05 April 2015 22.52:45 andre_debian@numericable.fr wrote:
You are lucky :-)
I installed "kvkbd-trinity", but no onscreen-keyboard, on my touchscreen computer with Jessie.
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I can open applications and close applications with fingers, but no onscreen-keyboard.
What onscreen keyboard did you install? I installed kvkdb from the repositories Slavek indicated. The keyboard does not "pop up" by itself as on Android (but then it does not pop up when I have a physical keyboard either, as "onscreen" does). I put an icon in the Panel and "call" it when needed.
I don't know how this would work with a lock screen however...
Also, impossible to zoom with the 3 fingers.
I doubt tdm knows about 3 fingers and I also doubt it would be easy to teach it. That's probably what KDE 4 devs meant when they justified the new version because KDE 3 was impossible to make "touch friendly".
It does't come from the computer, because everything works well with Windows-8.
It comes from the fact that, if you use Trinity, you're basically using year 2000 software, and there were no tablets (at least running Linux) at the time.
It's a little like criticising a 1970's car for not providing airbags...
I don't know how or when KDE4 / Gnome 3 / Unity will get "tablet ready", but I must say I'm quite pleased with the fact that TDE "can be used" on a tablet, although it was not written for one!
Thanks.
André
Basically, what I always thought proves to be right: those that are despreately trying to develop a user interface supposed to "scale" from a Desktop to a Tablet will fail, because a good Table interface will always feel clumsy on a big screen with a mouse (things too big, set up too streamlined) and a Desktop interface is quite unusable on a Tablet (unless you are fitted with stylus-like fingers, which is not my case).
So if you put a desktop system on a tablet, you should not expect the same experience as Android. Apple is the only one to do it right: IOS is quite different from the OS X desktop. A pity it's made by Apple and suffers from Apple's policy.
Thierry
On Monday 06 April 2015 09:51:58 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Sunday 05 April 2015 22.52:45 andre_debian@numericable.fr wrote:
I installed "kvkbd-trinity", but no onscreen-keyboard, on my touchscreen computer with Jessie. I can open applications and close applications with fingers, but no onscreen-keyboard.
What onscreen keyboard did you install? I installed kvkdb from the repositories Slavek indicated. The keyboard does not "pop up" by itself as on Android (but then it does not pop up when I have a physical keyboard either, as "onscreen" does). I put an icon in the Panel and "call" it when needed. I don't know how this would work with a lock screen however...
Hi Andre, First, start kvkbd-trinity, then it will stay in the notification area. You just have to click on it hen you need it. I am currently doing a similar setup on my newly received Sagem Spiga mini laptop. It has a keyboard, but the layout is hard to understand and very strange, so I will rely on the touch screen kb. I am almost sure that TDE doesn't support multi-touch features at this moment, but it might be provided by Xorg, so I might be wrong on this one. -Alexandre
Hello,
Thanks for your answers.
"kvkbd-trinity" works if I launch it (icon), (the keyboard is not very "practical" and not easy to use...)
With Windows-8, the onscreen-keyboard starts automatically when we need it. Maybe too with the Desktop KDE4 or Gnome... ? (I will try asap), and also testing the zoom with three fingers.
Very difficult to have the perfection... :-)
André
I doubt tdm knows about 3 fingers and I also doubt it would be easy to teach it. That's probably what KDE 4 devs meant when they justified the new version because KDE 3 was impossible to make "touch friendly".
It does't come from the computer, because everything works well with Windows-8.
It comes from the fact that, if you use Trinity, you're basically using year 2000 software, and there were no tablets (at least running Linux) at the time. It's a little like criticising a 1970's car for not providing airbags... I don't know how or when KDE4 / Gnome 3 / Unity will get "tablet ready", but I must say I'm quite pleased with the fact that TDE "can be used" on a tablet, although it was not written for one!
Basically, what I always thought proves to be right: those that are despreately trying to develop a user interface supposed to "scale" from a Desktop to a Tablet will fail, because a good Table interface will always feel clumsy on a big screen with a mouse (things too big, set up too streamlined) and a Desktop interface is quite unusable on a Tablet (unless you are fitted with stylus-like fingers, which is not my case). So if you put a desktop system on a tablet, you should not expect the same experience as Android. Apple is the only one to do it right: IOS is quite different from the OS X desktop. A pity it's made by Apple and suffers from Apple's policy. Thierry
On Monday 06 April 2015 23.16:52 andre_debian@numericable.fr wrote:
Hello,
Thanks for your answers.
"kvkbd-trinity" works if I launch it (icon), (the keyboard is not very "practical" and not easy to use...)
I'm afraid it's the best I found yet on Linux. It may depend on the version you use (I've tried the one for Ubuntu 14.04)
With Windows-8, the onscreen-keyboard starts automatically when we need it.
Yep, I guess W8 was conceived for touchscreens - which probably explains why people seem not to like it on not-touch screens...
Maybe too with the Desktop KDE4 or Gnome... ? (I will try asap), and also testing the zoom with three fingers.
I don't know how powerful is your machine, but on mine Gnome 3 is just useless: slow and tiny scren fonts and touch surfaces.
It does provide an on-screen keyboard, but just as with Unity the way it appears and disappears is a mystery to me.
What's more, the Unity and Gnome devs (I don't know for KDE 4) have found intelligent to set the entry point for their windows in some "search" field (apparently the "modern" way to look for applications). The result is that the keyboard pops up, although you'd actually like to sweep with your fingers...
I've seen someting about a tool called "Touchegg". Seems to rely on QT4 but be relatively UI-independant. Multi-fingers gestures seem possible. I'll take a look.
Very difficult to have the perfection... :-)
This is a very profound philosophical truth :))
André
I haven't yet had time to watch but here a Peter Larsen seems to have take a large tour of Linux's touchscreen possibilities:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkV4Abyet3g
Thierry
Hello,
Not sure, but the automatic onscreen keyboard and virtuazl use should work correctly with an appropriate package like this : "xserver-xorg-input-evtouch" or a similar package... that I don't find until now, and depends of its Linux distribution.
If you have an idea... thanks.
André
On Tuesday 07 April 2015 10:22:34 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Monday 06 April 2015 23.16:52 andre_debian@numericable.fr wrote:
Hello,
Thanks for your answers.
"kvkbd-trinity" works if I launch it (icon), (the keyboard is not very "practical" and not easy to use...)
I'm afraid it's the best I found yet on Linux. It may depend on the version you use (I've tried the one for Ubuntu 14.04)
With Windows-8, the onscreen-keyboard starts automatically when we need it.
Yep, I guess W8 was conceived for touchscreens - which probably explains why people seem not to like it on not-touch screens...
Maybe too with the Desktop KDE4 or Gnome... ? (I will try asap), and also testing the zoom with three fingers.
I don't know how powerful is your machine, but on mine Gnome 3 is just useless: slow and tiny scren fonts and touch surfaces.
It does provide an on-screen keyboard, but just as with Unity the way it appears and disappears is a mystery to me.
What's more, the Unity and Gnome devs (I don't know for KDE 4) have found intelligent to set the entry point for their windows in some "search" field (apparently the "modern" way to look for applications). The result is that the keyboard pops up, although you'd actually like to sweep with your fingers...
I've seen someting about a tool called "Touchegg". Seems to rely on QT4 but be relatively UI-independant. Multi-fingers gestures seem possible. I'll take a look.
Very difficult to have the perfection... :-)
This is a very profound philosophical truth :))
André
I haven't yet had time to watch but here a Peter Larsen seems to have take a large tour of Linux's touchscreen possibilities:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkV4Abyet3g
Thierry
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