I just ran into polkit hell + network-manager - like Bill. This is how to get network-manager working for your user, so you do not need to run it as root:
Check your permissions - if you get "yes" on all lines, you are good, but then you won't have network-manager issues at all: $ nmcli gen permissions
If you don't get "yes on all lines, then create this file:
#/etc/polkit-1/rules.d/50-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.rules polkit.addRule(function(action, subject) { if (action.id == "org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.network-control") return "yes"; });
Now check again - all lines should say "yes": $ nmcli gen permissions
Now you can do bad stuff with network connections from all your systms users, but as you most likely are the only system user it should be ok:
$ nmtui
Nik
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On Friday 19 April 2024 04:05:24 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
I just ran into polkit hell + network-manager - like Bill. This is how to get network-manager working for your user, so you do not need to run it as root:
Check your permissions - if you get "yes" on all lines, you are good, but then you won't have network-manager issues at all: $ nmcli gen permissions
If you don't get "yes on all lines, then create this file:
#/etc/polkit-1/rules.d/50-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.rules polkit.addRule(function(action, subject) { if (action.id == "org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.network-control") return "yes"; });
Now check again - all lines should say "yes": $ nmcli gen permissions
Now you can do bad stuff with network connections from all your systms users, but as you most likely are the only system user it should be ok:
$ nmtui
Nik
Hi Nik!
At present my network is working just fine; although tdenetworkmanager does sometimes crash, especially if I have gone offline then back online. Then it crashes, must be restarted, and I must also restart a few other network tools. It doesn't happen too often, seems to go in spurts.
A few days ago, I had a weird incident where the system froze, then shut down, and restarted a new session (with tdenetworkmanager already started up), and I thought that this was very odd, as it seems like I was deliberately disconnected by somebody, maybe in an attempt to learn something about my connection? Anyway, I just restarted all over, and things have running just fine since then, so I will hope that it was only a glitch.
As for polkit-type stuff, I believe I said it before, but these seem to be my problem children in relation to polkit: polkit-agent-tde xiccd at-spi-bus-laun agent applet.py xapp-sn-watcher I have them marked not to be installed, and if I do catch them getting installed, then I use apt-get or dpkg to purge them. When they are installed, they seem always to run at the top of top, and hog a lot of cpu. When they are purged from my system, it seems to run better overall, and certainly doesn't miss these packages.
Your comments and solution will be filed away in my notes, however, as they may prove to be useful at some point in the future.
Thanks Nik!
Bill
On Friday 19 April 2024 04:05:24 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
I just ran into polkit hell + network-manager - like Bill. This is how to get network-manager working for your user, so you do not need to run it as root:
Check your permissions - if you get "yes" on all lines, you are good, but then you won't have network-manager issues at all: $ nmcli gen permissions
If you don't get "yes on all lines, then create this file:
#/etc/polkit-1/rules.d/50-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.rules polkit.addRule(function(action, subject) { if (action.id == "org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.network-control") return "yes"; });
Now check again - all lines should say "yes": $ nmcli gen permissions
Now you can do bad stuff with network connections from all your systms users, but as you most likely are the only system user it should be ok:
$ nmtui
Nik
For what it's worth, here is the output that I get:
$ nmcli gen permissions PERMISSION VALUE org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.checkpoint-rollback auth org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-connectivity-check yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-network yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-statistics yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-wifi yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-wimax yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-wwan yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.network-control yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.reload auth org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.global-dns auth org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.hostname auth org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.own yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.system yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.sleep-wake no org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.wifi.scan yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.wifi.share.open yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.wifi.share.protected yes
Not quite YES on every line. Don't know if auth is good or bad, and only one line is NO. But maybe I don't want that, anyway? It looks like that would connect the network on wake?
Bill
On 2024/04/20 08:29 AM, William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Don't know if auth is good or bad
"Auth" will require authentication and if you have the TDE polkit agent installed, you should get a small window open on your screen when that is required. Cheers Michele
On Friday 19 April 2024 22:04:57 Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
On 2024/04/20 08:29 AM, William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Don't know if auth is good or bad
"Auth" will require authentication and if you have the TDE polkit agent installed, you should get a small window open on your screen when that is required. Cheers Michele
I don't use polkit-agent-tde. It is one of those packages that I have marked never to install, and if it somehow does get installed, I purge it as soon as I catch it.
In the previous email responding to Nik, I list those packages that get purged, which seem to be related to polkit. As I said, these programs or applications, when installed, always run at the top of top, and eat up a lot of CPU, and my system seems to run fine without them.
Whatever is marked auth on that list (second email response, the P.S.), it is not polkit-agent-tde or anything to do with it.
Bill
Hi Bill!
Anno domini 2024 Fri, 19 Apr 16:29:44 -0700 William Morder via tde-users scripsit:
On Friday 19 April 2024 04:05:24 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
I just ran into polkit hell + network-manager - like Bill. This is how to get network-manager working for your user, so you do not need to run it as root:
Check your permissions - if you get "yes" on all lines, you are good, but then you won't have network-manager issues at all: $ nmcli gen permissions
If you don't get "yes on all lines, then create this file:
#/etc/polkit-1/rules.d/50-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.rules polkit.addRule(function(action, subject) { if (action.id == "org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.network-control") return "yes"; });
Now check again - all lines should say "yes": $ nmcli gen permissions
Now you can do bad stuff with network connections from all your systms users, but as you most likely are the only system user it should be ok:
$ nmtui
Nik
For what it's worth, here is the output that I get:
$ nmcli gen permissions PERMISSION VALUE org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.checkpoint-rollback auth org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-connectivity-check yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-network yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-statistics yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-wifi yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-wimax yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-wwan yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.network-control yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.reload auth org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.global-dns auth org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.hostname auth org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.own yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.system yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.sleep-wake no org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.wifi.scan yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.wifi.share.open yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.wifi.share.protected yes
Not quite YES on every line. Don't know if auth is good or bad, and only one line is NO. But maybe I don't want that, anyway? It looks like that would connect the network on wake?
IMO auth is ok - if you really get an authentication dialog. I didn't get any and I had mst stuff set on "no". The problem with "org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.sleep-wake" is that ut's not clear what it does - and if there is any documentation to look it up I've not found it yet. For me it's totally baffeling how somebody with a sane mind would develop such a monstrosity. Most likly it's corporate stuff developed by managers and GNOMES ...
Anyway, I have these after adding the mentioned file and networkmanager behavers "sane" - which translates to "does not get in my way":
$ nmcli gen permissions PERMISSION VALUE org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.checkpoint-rollback ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-connectivity-check ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-network ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-statistics ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-wifi ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-wimax ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-wwan ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.network-control ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.reload ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.global-dns ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.hostname ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.own ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.system ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.sleep-wake ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.wifi.scan ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.wifi.share.open ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.wifi.share.protected ja
Nik
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On Saturday 20 April 2024 10:39:14 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Hi Bill!
Anno domini 2024 Fri, 19 Apr 16:29:44 -0700
William Morder via tde-users scripsit:
On Friday 19 April 2024 04:05:24 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
I just ran into polkit hell + network-manager - like Bill. This is how to get network-manager working for your user, so you do not need to run it as root:
Check your permissions - if you get "yes" on all lines, you are good, but then you won't have network-manager issues at all: $ nmcli gen permissions
If you don't get "yes on all lines, then create this file:
#/etc/polkit-1/rules.d/50-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.rules polkit.addRule(function(action, subject) { if (action.id == "org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.network-control") return "yes"; });
Now check again - all lines should say "yes": $ nmcli gen permissions
Now you can do bad stuff with network connections from all your systms users, but as you most likely are the only system user it should be ok:
$ nmtui
Nik
For what it's worth, here is the output that I get:
$ nmcli gen permissions PERMISSION VALUE org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.checkpoint-rollback auth org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-connectivity-check yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-network yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-statistics yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-wifi yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-wimax yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-wwan yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.network-control yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.reload auth org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.global-dns auth org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.hostname auth org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.own yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.system yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.sleep-wake no org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.wifi.scan yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.wifi.share.open yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.wifi.share.protected yes
Not quite YES on every line. Don't know if auth is good or bad, and only one line is NO. But maybe I don't want that, anyway? It looks like that would connect the network on wake?
IMO auth is ok - if you really get an authentication dialog. I didn't get any and I had mst stuff set on "no". The problem with "org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.sleep-wake" is that ut's not clear what it does - and if there is any documentation to look it up I've not found it yet. For me it's totally baffeling how somebody with a sane mind would develop such a monstrosity. Most likly it's corporate stuff developed by managers and GNOMES ...
Anyway, I have these after adding the mentioned file and networkmanager behavers "sane" - which translates to "does not get in my way":
$ nmcli gen permissions PERMISSION VALUE org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.checkpoint-rollback ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-connectivity-check ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-network ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-statistics ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-wifi ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-wimax ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-wwan ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.network-control ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.reload ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.global-dns ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.hostname ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.own ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.system ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.sleep-wake ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.wifi.scan ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.wifi.share.open ja org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.wifi.share.protected ja
Nik
It goes without saying, make a backup of that file that I would be changing, before attempting this. However, I do like when my networkmanager just works, and doesn't get in my way.
Bill
On Saturday 20 April 2024 10:58:43 William Morder wrote:
On Saturday 20 April 2024 10:39:14 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
IMO auth is ok - if you really get an authentication dialog. I didn't get any and I had mst stuff set on "no". The problem with "org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.sleep-wake" is that ut's not clear what it does - and if there is any documentation to look it up I've not found it yet. For me it's totally baffeling how somebody with a sane mind would develop such a monstrosity. Most likly it's corporate stuff developed by managers and GNOMES ...
Anyway, I have these after adding the mentioned file and networkmanager behavers "sane" - which translates to "does not get in my way":
Okay, so I created such a file, then ran that command again, but I see no change. Here is my output:
nmcli gen permissions PERMISSION VALUE org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.checkpoint-rollback auth org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-connectivity-check yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-network yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-statistics yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-wifi yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-wimax yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-wwan yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.network-control yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.reload auth org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.global-dns auth org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.hostname auth org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.own yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.system yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.sleep-wake no org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.wifi.scan yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.wifi.share.open yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.wifi.share.protected yes
Maybe I need to restart my machine? restart my session? restart tdenetworkmanager? When I get a moment to try these steps ...
Bill
On Saturday 20 April 2024 10:58:43 William Morder wrote:
On Saturday 20 April 2024 10:39:14 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
IMO auth is ok - if you really get an authentication dialog. I didn't get any and I had mst stuff set on "no". The problem with "org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.sleep-wake" is that ut's not clear what it does - and if there is any documentation to look it up I've not found it yet. For me it's totally baffeling how somebody with a sane mind would develop such a monstrosity. Most likly it's corporate stuff developed by managers and GNOMES ...
Anyway, I have these after adding the mentioned file and networkmanager behavers "sane" - which translates to "does not get in my way":
Maybe I need to restart my machine? restart my session? restart tdenetworkmanager? When I get a moment to try these steps ...
In the interest of others in the future who may wish to know about these things, I have made the sacrifice, and rebooted my machine. And anyway, top was showing 24 zombies, so I thought I might as well.
Now, I have already created that file for polkit, #/etc/polkit-1/rules.d/50-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.rules I made it readable for all users, just to be sure it would get noticed, if it were to have any effect. (By the way, there was nothing there; it was just an empty folder.) I followed Nik's prescription to the letter, I believe, then I ran that command; and again I get the same output, nothing changed.
I don't think it was supposed to be an executable file, and doesn't look like a shell script, so I can only suppose that my machine behaves differently from Nik's, though I don't know why.
Restarting network, session, and even rebooting the machine cause no c
nmcli gen permissions PERMISSION VALUE org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.checkpoint-rollback auth org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-connectivity-check yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-network yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-statistics yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-wifi yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-wimax yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-wwan yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.network-control yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.reload auth org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.global-dns auth org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.hostname auth org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.own yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.system yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.sleep-wake no org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.wifi.scan yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.wifi.share.open yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.wifi.share.protected yes
By the way, anybody who has an idea how to kill off all zombies, I would be interested. Not that they're really doing anything bad, I guess, but sometimes I see 36 or 42 zombies, and it's annoying that they don't just go away by themselves. But that ought to be a separate thread! if I get around to it.
Bill
Anno domini 2024 Sun, 21 Apr 12:52:26 -0700 William Morder via tde-users scripsit:
On Saturday 20 April 2024 10:58:43 William Morder wrote:
On Saturday 20 April 2024 10:39:14 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
IMO auth is ok - if you really get an authentication dialog. I didn't get any and I had mst stuff set on "no". The problem with "org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.sleep-wake" is that ut's not clear what it does - and if there is any documentation to look it up I've not found it yet. For me it's totally baffeling how somebody with a sane mind would develop such a monstrosity. Most likly it's corporate stuff developed by managers and GNOMES ...
Anyway, I have these after adding the mentioned file and networkmanager behavers "sane" - which translates to "does not get in my way":
Maybe I need to restart my machine? restart my session? restart tdenetworkmanager? When I get a moment to try these steps ...
In the interest of others in the future who may wish to know about these things, I have made the sacrifice, and rebooted my machine. And anyway, top was showing 24 zombies, so I thought I might as well.
Now, I have already created that file for polkit, #/etc/polkit-1/rules.d/50-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.rules I made it readable for all users, just to be sure it would get noticed, if it were to have any effect. (By the way, there was nothing there; it was just an empty folder.) I followed Nik's prescription to the letter, I believe, then I ran that command; and again I get the same output, nothing changed.
I don't think it was supposed to be an executable file, and doesn't look like a shell script, so I can only suppose that my machine behaves differently from Nik's, though I don't know why.
Restarting network, session, and even rebooting the machine cause no c
nmcli gen permissions PERMISSION VALUE org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.checkpoint-rollback auth org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-connectivity-check yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-network yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-statistics yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-wifi yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-wimax yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-wwan yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.network-control yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.reload auth org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.global-dns auth org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.hostname auth org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.own yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.system yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.sleep-wake no org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.wifi.scan yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.wifi.share.open yes org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.wifi.share.protected yes
Great :/ I'm on Devuan Ceres now and that has allmost all polkit configs removed --> a default rule that makes my user great again was needed. On excalibur and earlier there were rules with different effects buried in the depths of polkit configs --> you get interesting results like you see yourself. It might help to grap through all the rules in search for org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.
Nik
By the way, anybody who has an idea how to kill off all zombies, I would be interested. Not that they're really doing anything bad, I guess, but sometimes I see 36 or 42 zombies, and it's annoying that they don't just go away by themselves. But that ought to be a separate thread! if I get around to it.
How do you kill the dead? Kill their master! But as they are not guaranteed to be stupid kind of undead that die when their master is gone your milage may vary. killing lord vlad might help, but real kombies don't care :) https://www.baeldung.com/linux/clean-zombie-process
Nik
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On Tuesday 23 April 2024 00:29:47 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2024 Sun, 21 Apr 12:52:26 -0700
By the way, anybody who has an idea how to kill off all zombies, I would be interested. Not that they're really doing anything bad, I guess, but sometimes I see 36 or 42 zombies, and it's annoying that they don't just go away by themselves. But that ought to be a separate thread! if I get around to it.
How do you kill the dead? Kill their master! But as they are not guaranteed to be stupid kind of undead that die when their master is gone your milage may vary. killing lord vlad might help, but real kombies don't care :) https://www.baeldung.com/linux/clean-zombie-process
Nik
My life's work has already been made into a 1964 film starring Vincent Price: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Man_on_Earth_%281964_film%29 In the film version they are zombie-like creatures.
I did a little research already about how to kill zombies, and this only confirms what I found: namely, that there is no easy one-size-fits-all solution. One has to track them down and kill them and/or their parents.
On one occasion, when I tried to kill dozens of zombie entries marked only w, I was actually killing the session. This was not a pleasant experience, as I still had open windows and unfinished work, then discover that I've shut down everything and lost that work.
Well, like I said, they are annoyances, when I see that I have a lot of zombie processes, but they aren't actually doing anything either good or bad.
Bill
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