On Saturday 04 April 2015 09:19:35 Karsten Lahrs wrote: Thats just one of the disadvantages of using gmail. Your original post, returned from the mailing list server, is considered a a duplicate and summarily deleted by gmail. And it is NOT open for discussion as far as gmail is concerned, millions have squawked. The solution is to use a different mail server, such as the one your ISP provides. However I am not as my ISP, Shentel, farmed their email server out to gmail about 2 years ago, so I am using a qmail install I helped setup at my former employers, and which I have a lifetime account on. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

On Saturday 04 April 2015 12:31:06 Andy wrote: ;-) Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

On Saturday 04 April 2015 20:30:08 Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: I've got several emails in this thread missing, and they are not in my spam folder either. Weird and somewhat annoying. How much else is going missing? I know some is. :-( Lisi

Sorry for the top post, but if anyone wants a better option than GMail you can try http://fastmail.com Their forums are at: http://www.emaildiscussions.com/forumdisplay.php?f=27 --- Original Message --- From: Gene Heskett &lt;gheskett(a)wdtv.com&gt; To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Subject: Re: [trinity-users] installation problems on pclinuxos fm Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 On Saturday 04 April 2015 17:24:23 Lisi Reisz wrote: Oh dear... Since you also are posting from a gmail account, and the list echo is deleted, that is not surprising. Cc: yourself, or find a different, non gmail, mail server to use would be my best recommendation. Cc'ing yourself is no guarantee the list got it, so while it would probably serve the purpose, it comes with no warranty. Much the same thing could be accomplished if we could train our email agents to store the sent mail in the list folder it was in at the time, but that comes with the same null & void warranty. It has not made the "round trip", meaning everyone on the associated list will see it. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

On Sunday 05 April 2015 07:44:37 Lisi Reisz wrote: Exactly what I would be doing when I go thru a gmail or shental account. The point is, that apparently your ISP has farmed this email server function they are expected to supply, out to a gmail alias, so gmail's duplicate removal policy applies. You can send it, but the servers reply of that message to you is a duplicate and deleted. It does it, its not random, its a duplicate and removed. Other people on the list see it, but you don't get it back, not ever from gmail. From the header of this email from the trinity list that I am replying to right now: From: Lisi Reisz &lt;lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com&gt; To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Yes, it is in my opinion, a serious matter. It is also why I don't use either of my gmail accounts for any mailing list subscriptions. The shentel address gets used by some friends where it doesn't matter, and it works well for that. Their pop3 server has discarded duplicates from the gitgo, many years ago now. That was one of their original sales pitches if I recall correctly. The only real solution is to get gmail _out_ of the path used to move the message both ways. One way is fine. I have heard rumors that yahoo is also doing this, but haven't encountered it yet and I am subbed to several yahoo hosted lists. Other solutions I have heard of but not tried: I have heard of people who sub to a list at 2 gmail addresses, and somehow setup an alias translation/configuration so they do all receiveing at one address, and do all sending to the other account that is never read. But now, can I setup an imaginary working scenario? I think so, read on. I understand, but have not done it to prove it, that this gets around their duplicate deletion rule. But I am not aware that kmail has the ability to automatically translate the account name from lisi.reisz to reisz.lisi when you hit reply. However, I do think that under the sending tab in kmail config, one could set it to send to address B while fetchmail is pulling from address A, which should accomplish the same thing. That would be a nice trick however, but the only way I can imagine on short notice would be to use fetchmail like I do, have fetchmail pull from lisi.reisz, but setup the kmail send account to use reisz.lisi. But I've not actually tried it. YMMV etc. In order to keep the accounts at gmail clean, one might have to login to the webmail interface and delete the stuff in the account used for send only about monthly. You would I believe, have to configure two accounts at lists.pearsoncomputing.net to complete the loop. Turning off sending back to you of the account at pearsoncomputing that you use for send only would solve the problem of needing to go in via webmail to gmail and delete the unread messages occasionally. Cheers Lisi, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

[...] SMTP is sending,. The received header I show above confirms it came to me, from pearsoncomputing thru the gmail server farm. How are you receiving? If thru a different address/server there shouldn't be a problem. You haven't, that I can recall, related the address you use to receive. That does make a yes/no difference. With what information I have, that is entirely possible Lisi. Most, unaware of the problem, use the same address for both directions, and I had assumed that. My bad, and my apologies if that is untrue. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

On Sunday 05 April 2015 16:48:24 Gene Heskett wrote: As predicted, I didn't get the one I sent via Gmail's SMTP. My husband did, but the headers weren't similar enough because of his set-up to help me. I shall get this. Lisi