As no version of Debian would accept my setup on a Laptop, I installed openSuSE (12.1, 64bit). I had left SuSE some years ago because of KDE 4, now I discover that not only have they gone back to Grub Legacy, but there is a one-click install of KDE 3.5 available.
Seems the Attachmate ownership rather brings good things... Now, considering that TDE is now a "better" KDE 3.x, will we be seing TDE in the openSuSE reprositories?
Thierry
On 2012/08/13 15:23 (GMT+0200) Thierry de Coulon composed:
As no version of Debian would accept my setup on a Laptop, I installed openSuSE (12.1, 64bit). I had left SuSE some years ago because of KDE 4, now I discover that not only have they gone back to Grub Legacy, but there is a one-click install of KDE 3.5 available.
OS never left Grub Legacy. It remains an option in 12.2, due for release in about a month.
Last week I installed Debian 6.05/KDE4, when added TDE before even logging into X. I was quite displeased to find nothing that looked or worked anything like KControl on logging into TDE, which KDE3 in 12.1 and 12.2 still have.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Felix Miata mrmazda@earthlink.net wrote:
OS never left Grub Legacy. It remains an option in 12.2, due for release in about a month.
I thought default became Grub2 - maybe my memory (age...)
Last week I installed Debian 6.05/KDE4, when added TDE before even logging into X. I was quite displeased to find nothing that looked or worked anything like KControl on logging into TDE, which KDE3 in 12.1 and 12.2 still have.
I installed TDE on Wheezy (so using the nightly build). I do have a few issues (unimportant crashes with kicker and Konqueror) but I have a "Control Center" (which I assume is KControl, as I get a PID with pidof kcontrol).
Thierry
On 2012/08/13 16:21 (GMT+0200) Thierry de Coulon composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
OS never left Grub Legacy. It remains an option in 12.2, due for release in about a month.
I thought default became Grub2
Exactly, whenceupon Grub Legacy became optional.
On 2012/08/13 15:23 (GMT+0200) Thierry de Coulon composed:
As no version of Debian would accept my setup on a Laptop, I installed openSuSE (12.1, 64bit). I had left SuSE some years ago because of KDE 4, now I discover that not only have they gone back to Grub Legacy, but there is a one-click install of KDE 3.5 available.
OS never left Grub Legacy. It remains an option in 12.2, due for release in about a month.
Last week I installed Debian 6.05/KDE4, when added TDE before even logging into X. I was quite displeased to find nothing that looked or worked anything like KControl on logging into TDE, which KDE3 in 12.1 and 12.2 still have.
kcontrol is still very much a core part of TDE. Did you install kcontrol-trinity?
Tim
On 2012/08/13 09:45 (GMT-0500) Timothy Pearson composed:
Felix Miata composed:
Last week I installed Debian 6.05/KDE4, then added TDE before even logging into X. I was quite displeased to find nothing that looked or worked anything like KControl on logging into TDE, which KDE3 in 12.1 and 12.2 still have.
kcontrol is still very much a core part of TDE. Did you install kcontrol-trinity?
I was referring to the starter menu, where a "settings" menu exists containing all the individual control applets, but not a KControl window, which I can reach via "Run command". I only followed the TDE instructions on http://www.trinitydesktop.org/installation.php and haven't used it much due to unrelated problems with that machine and 6.05, like the display going to permanent sleep shortly after init starts, and no response to the keyboard, unless removing the dual output NVidia PCI video card and using the onboard NVidia video instead.
Thierry de Coulon wrote:
Seems the Attachmate ownership rather brings good things... Now, considering that TDE is now a "better" KDE 3.x, will we be seing TDE in the openSuSE reprositories?
The opinions on whether TDE is better than the KDE3 which is currently in OpenSUSE are divided. Of course this is the Trinity mailing list, so many people here would really like to see Trinity appear in the SUSE repository.
The significant difference between TDE and KDE3 is now that KDE3 will have conflicts when trying to use features of Qt4 with it and TDE has solved this. This is a significant amount of work, but it could have caused some things to break. The final result should be tighter integration with Qt4 however, but this is WIP.
At the same time, the KDE3 version on SUSE has many SUSE specific patches which for now are not working with Trinity. A lot of the non-TQt patches are shared between both TDE and the KDE3 in SUSE, so in this regard, they should be similar for now.
In the future there will likely be both a KDE3 and TDE repository for SUSE. As TDE matures and its ability to work with Qt4 features will improve usability, it may become better for most people than KDE3.
Julius
On 13 August 2012 10:56, Julius Schwartzenberg julius.schwartzenberg@gmail.com wrote:
Thierry de Coulon wrote:
Seems the Attachmate ownership rather brings good things... Now, considering that TDE is now a "better" KDE 3.x, will we be seing TDE in the openSuSE reprositories?
The opinions on whether TDE is better than the KDE3 which is currently in OpenSUSE are divided. Of course this is the Trinity mailing list, so many people here would really like to see Trinity appear in the SUSE repository.
The significant difference between TDE and KDE3 is now that KDE3 will have conflicts when trying to use features of Qt4 with it and TDE has solved this. This is a significant amount of work, but it could have caused some things to break. The final result should be tighter integration with Qt4 however, but this is WIP.
At the same time, the KDE3 version on SUSE has many SUSE specific patches which for now are not working with Trinity. A lot of the non-TQt patches are shared between both TDE and the KDE3 in SUSE, so in this regard, they should be similar for now.
In the future there will likely be both a KDE3 and TDE repository for SUSE. As TDE matures and its ability to work with Qt4 features will improve usability, it may become better for most people than KDE3.
Julius
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