13 Aug
2012
13 Aug
'12
1:23 p.m.
As no version of Debian would accept my setup on a Laptop, I installed
openSuSE (12.1, 64bit). I had left SuSE some years ago because of KDE
4, now I discover that not only have they gone back to Grub Legacy,
but there is a one-click install of KDE 3.5 available.
Seems the Attachmate ownership rather brings good things... Now,
considering that TDE is now a "better" KDE 3.x, will we be seing TDE
in the openSuSE reprositories?
Thierry
13 Aug
13 Aug
1:34 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] openSuSE & TDE
On 2012/08/13 15:23 (GMT+0200) Thierry de Coulon composed:
As no version of Debian would accept my setup on a
Laptop, I installed
openSuSE (12.1, 64bit). I had left SuSE some years ago because of KDE
4, now I discover that not only have they gone back to Grub Legacy,
but there is a one-click install of KDE 3.5 available.
OS never left Grub Legacy. It remains an option in 12.2, due for release in
about a month.
Last week I installed Debian 6.05/KDE4, when added TDE before even logging
into X. I was quite displeased to find nothing that looked or worked anything
like KControl on logging into TDE, which KDE3 in 12.1 and 12.2 still have.
--
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
2:21 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] openSuSE & TDE
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Felix Miata <mrmazda(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
OS never left Grub Legacy. It remains an option in
12.2, due for release in
about a month.
I thought default became Grub2 - maybe my memory (age...)
Last week I installed Debian 6.05/KDE4, when added TDE
before even logging
into X. I was quite displeased to find nothing that looked or worked
anything like KControl on logging into TDE, which KDE3 in 12.1 and 12.2
still have.
I installed TDE on Wheezy (so using the nightly build). I do have a
few issues (unimportant crashes with kicker and Konqueror) but I have
a "Control Center" (which I assume is KControl, as I get a PID with
pidof kcontrol).
Thierry
2:40 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] openSuSE & TDE
On 2012/08/13 16:21 (GMT+0200) Thierry de Coulon composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
> OS never left Grub Legacy. It remains an option
in 12.2, due for release in
> about a month.
I thought default became Grub2
Exactly, whenceupon Grub Legacy became optional.
--
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
2:45 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] openSuSE & TDE
On 2012/08/13 15:23 (GMT+0200) Thierry de Coulon
composed:
kcontrol is still very much a core part of TDE. Did you install
kcontrol-trinity?
Tim
As no version of Debian would accept my setup on
a Laptop, I installed
openSuSE (12.1, 64bit). I had left SuSE some years ago because of KDE
4, now I discover that not only have they gone back to Grub Legacy,
but there is a one-click install of KDE 3.5 available.
OS never left Grub Legacy. It remains an option in 12.2, due for release
in
about a month.
Last week I installed Debian 6.05/KDE4, when added TDE before even logging
into X. I was quite displeased to find nothing that looked or worked
anything
like KControl on logging into TDE, which KDE3 in 12.1 and 12.2 still have.
4:55 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] openSuSE & TDE
On 2012/08/13 09:45 (GMT-0500) Timothy Pearson composed:
> Felix Miata composed:
> Last week I installed Debian 6.05/KDE4, then added
TDE before even logging
> into X. I was quite displeased to find nothing that looked or worked anything
> like KControl on logging into TDE, which KDE3 in 12.1 and 12.2 still have.
kcontrol is still very much a core part of TDE. Did
you install
kcontrol-trinity?
I was referring to the starter menu, where a "settings" menu exists
containing all the individual control applets, but not a KControl window,
which I can reach via "Run command". I only followed the TDE instructions on
http://www.trinitydesktop.org/installation.php and haven't used it much due
to unrelated problems with that machine and 6.05, like the display going to
permanent sleep shortly after init starts, and no response to the keyboard,
unless removing the dual output NVidia PCI video card and using the onboard
NVidia video instead.
--
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
2:56 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] openSuSE & TDE
Thierry de Coulon wrote:
Seems the Attachmate ownership rather brings good
things... Now,
considering that TDE is now a "better" KDE 3.x, will we be seing TDE
in the openSuSE reprositories?
The opinions on whether TDE is better than the KDE3 which is currently
in OpenSUSE are divided. Of course this is the Trinity mailing list, so
many people here would really like to see Trinity appear in the SUSE
repository.
The significant difference between TDE and KDE3 is now that KDE3 will
have conflicts when trying to use features of Qt4 with it and TDE has
solved this. This is a significant amount of work, but it could have
caused some things to break. The final result should be tighter
integration with Qt4 however, but this is WIP.
At the same time, the KDE3 version on SUSE has many SUSE specific
patches which for now are not working with Trinity. A lot of the non-TQt
patches are shared between both TDE and the KDE3 in SUSE, so in this
regard, they should be similar for now.
In the future there will likely be both a KDE3 and TDE repository for
SUSE. As TDE matures and its ability to work with Qt4 features will
improve usability, it may become better for most people than KDE3.
Julius
3:23 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] openSuSE & TDE
On 13 August 2012 10:56, Julius Schwartzenberg
<julius.schwartzenberg(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thierry de Coulon wrote:
Another popular criticism of KDE3.5 for OpenSUSE is the lack of any
project infrastructure. Here at Trinity we are developing for the
future and the present. We have mailing lists, a bug tracker, a IRC
channel, a wiki, an etherpad, a website, a repository for our code...
the list goes on. At trinity we are not just maintaining KDE3.5, but
also improving and developing the platform to work with modern
GNU/Linux distributions while avoiding distro specific hacks and
patches.
Calvin
Seems the Attachmate ownership rather brings good
things... Now,
considering that TDE is now a "better" KDE 3.x, will we be seing TDE
in the openSuSE reprositories?
The opinions on whether TDE is better than the KDE3 which is currently
in OpenSUSE are divided. Of course this is the Trinity mailing list, so
many people here would really like to see Trinity appear in the SUSE
repository.
The significant difference between TDE and KDE3 is now that KDE3 will
have conflicts when trying to use features of Qt4 with it and TDE has
solved this. This is a significant amount of work, but it could have
caused some things to break. The final result should be tighter
integration with Qt4 however, but this is WIP.
At the same time, the KDE3 version on SUSE has many SUSE specific
patches which for now are not working with Trinity. A lot of the non-TQt
patches are shared between both TDE and the KDE3 in SUSE, so in this
regard, they should be similar for now.
In the future there will likely be both a KDE3 and TDE repository for
SUSE. As TDE matures and its ability to work with Qt4 features will
improve usability, it may become better for most people than KDE3.
Julius
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