On Saturday 05 January 2019 03:18:04 David C. Rankin wrote:
Kate -> Take or Konsole -> Tonsole or Konqueror -> Tonqueror,
Yes, it's true, Why the applications keep the letter "K" as KDE ? It should be "T" as Trinity. Twrite, Tedit, Tview, Tmail, Tonqueror...
Best Year 2019 to everybody, health and Love.
André
On Tue, Jan 08, 2019 at 11:39:55PM +0100, andre_debian@numericable.fr wrote:
On Saturday 05 January 2019 03:18:04 David C. Rankin wrote:
Kate -> Take or Konsole -> Tonsole or Konqueror -> Tonqueror,Yes, it's true, Why the applications keep the letter "K" as KDE ? It should be "T" as Trinity. Twrite, Tedit, Tview, Tmail, Tonqueror...
No they shouldn't. They should stay the same name. These applications don't change to gonsole, gonqueror, gate, etc when they are run under Gnome.
"Konsole" etc work as names because they already start with a hard-C sound, so its just a cute spelling pun: "console" sounds exactly the same as "konsole".
But "tonsole" sounds like the organ at the back of your throat, the tonsil.
And let's be realistic: TDE is not precisely a popular desktop. Sad but true. Somebody looking for help with "Tmail" is going to find very little information unless Google is clever enough to say "Did you mean Kmail?" The existing names have worked fine for many years, let's not break what isn't broken.
On Tuesday 08 January 2019 15:53:31 Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, Jan 08, 2019 at 11:39:55PM +0100, andre_debian@numericable.fr wrote:
On Saturday 05 January 2019 03:18:04 David C. Rankin wrote:
Kate -> Take or Konsole -> Tonsole or Konqueror -> Tonqueror,Yes, it's true, Why the applications keep the letter "K" as KDE ? It should be "T" as Trinity. Twrite, Tedit, Tview, Tmail, Tonqueror...
No they shouldn't. They should stay the same name. These applications don't change to gonsole, gonqueror, gate, etc when they are run under Gnome.
"Konsole" etc work as names because they already start with a hard-C sound, so its just a cute spelling pun: "console" sounds exactly the same as "konsole".
But "tonsole" sounds like the organ at the back of your throat, the tonsil.
And let's be realistic: TDE is not precisely a popular desktop. Sad but true. Somebody looking for help with "Tmail" is going to find very little information unless Google is clever enough to say "Did you mean Kmail?" The existing names have worked fine for many years, let's not break what isn't broken.
I khint khak we are heading down a slippery pakh here. How abouk if we all jusk agree ko live wikh khe hybrid of bokh naming schemes, ak leask unkil some genius invenks somekhing bekker.
Bill
On Tuesday 08 January 2019 06:03:53 pm William Morder wrote:
On Tuesday 08 January 2019 15:53:31 Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, Jan 08, 2019 at 11:39:55PM +0100, andre_debian@numericable.fr
wrote:
On Saturday 05 January 2019 03:18:04 David C. Rankin wrote:
Kate -> Take or Konsole -> Tonsole or Konqueror -> Tonqueror,Yes, it's true, Why the applications keep the letter "K" as KDE ? It should be "T" as Trinity. Twrite, Tedit, Tview, Tmail, Tonqueror...
No they shouldn't. They should stay the same name. These applications don't change to gonsole, gonqueror, gate, etc when they are run under Gnome.
"Konsole" etc work as names because they already start with a hard-C sound, so its just a cute spelling pun: "console" sounds exactly the same as "konsole".
But "tonsole" sounds like the organ at the back of your throat, the tonsil.
And let's be realistic: TDE is not precisely a popular desktop. Sad but true. Somebody looking for help with "Tmail" is going to find very little information unless Google is clever enough to say "Did you mean Kmail?" The existing names have worked fine for many years, let's not break what isn't broken.
I khint khak we are heading down a slippery pakh here. How abouk if we all jusk agree ko live wikh khe hybrid of bokh naming schemes, ak leask unkil some genius invenks somekhing bekker.
Bill
Thanks Bill, you made my night ;)
+1 for Best post of the Year!
On Tuesday 08 January 2019 17:18:22 Michael wrote:
On Tuesday 08 January 2019 06:03:53 pm William Morder wrote:
On Tuesday 08 January 2019 15:53:31 Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, Jan 08, 2019 at 11:39:55PM +0100, andre_debian@numericable.fr
wrote:
On Saturday 05 January 2019 03:18:04 David C. Rankin wrote:
Kate -> Take or Konsole -> Tonsole or Konqueror -> Tonqueror,Yes, it's true, Why the applications keep the letter "K" as KDE ? It should be "T" as Trinity. Twrite, Tedit, Tview, Tmail, Tonqueror...
No they shouldn't. They should stay the same name. These applications don't change to gonsole, gonqueror, gate, etc when they are run under Gnome.
"Konsole" etc work as names because they already start with a hard-C sound, so its just a cute spelling pun: "console" sounds exactly the same as "konsole".
But "tonsole" sounds like the organ at the back of your throat, the tonsil.
And let's be realistic: TDE is not precisely a popular desktop. Sad but true. Somebody looking for help with "Tmail" is going to find very little information unless Google is clever enough to say "Did you mean Kmail?" The existing names have worked fine for many years, let's not break what isn't broken.
I khint khak we are heading down a slippery pakh here. How abouk if we all jusk agree ko live wikh khe hybrid of bokh naming schemes, ak leask unkil some genius invenks somekhing bekker.
Bill
Thanks Bill, you made my night ;)
+1 for Best post of the Year!
Glad to be appreciated for my dubious talents. It was either that, or the explanatory YouTube video of kittens again.
Writing that short bit got to be a pain after the first sentence or so, but that was my point: imagine trying to rename all the packages! And then they will have to be correlated with all the legacy KDE3 and present TDE names. Batch renaming won't work too well, because too many packages have awkward names (e.g., knetworkmanager=network-manager-tde) which resist a simple K>T conversion. We would be better off to start over from scratch; otherwise, as Take* said, it's legacy, history.
Until we have enough TDE users, who care enough to change it, there is not much inconvenience, and surely we can just live with it.
It's okay if we're a little messy, I think, so long as we are consistent; but at present we are bound to the old KDE3 names.
Bill
* That's Trinitese for Kate.
William Morder composed on 2019-01-08 18:54 (UTC-0800):
Until we have enough TDE users, who care enough to change it, there is not much inconvenience, and surely we can just live with it.
As a user, I see no incovenience, only the joy of not seeing changed what ain't broke, and unrepeated consequent waste of time relearning. What a waste were KDE4 and 5. The KDE3 legacy is a great one. No material justification for changing TDE exists. What if people changed their names with every change of wardrobe?
Am Mittwoch, 9. Januar 2019 schrieb Felix Miata:
William Morder composed on 2019-01-08 18:54 (UTC-0800):
Until we have enough TDE users, who care enough to change it, there is not much inconvenience, and surely we can just live with it.
As a user, I see no incovenience, only the joy of not seeing changed what ain't broke, and unrepeated consequent waste of time relearning. What a waste were KDE4 and 5. The KDE3 legacy is a great one. No material justification for changing TDE exists. What if people changed their names with every change of wardrobe?
I know not many people that regularily change their names, but I know many people that change their mind with every change of wardrobe - I think they are commonly referred as "politician" :-)
Nik
On Tuesday 08 January 2019 23:25:56 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 9. Januar 2019 schrieb Felix Miata:
William Morder composed on 2019-01-08 18:54 (UTC-0800):
Until we have enough TDE users, who care enough to change it, there is not much inconvenience, and surely we can just live with it.
As a user, I see no incovenience, only the joy of not seeing changed what ain't broke, and unrepeated consequent waste of time relearning. What a waste were KDE4 and 5. The KDE3 legacy is a great one. No material justification for changing TDE exists. What if people changed their names with every change of wardrobe?
I know not many people that regularily change their names, but I know many people that change their mind with every change of wardrobe - I think they are commonly referred as "politician" :-)
Nik
Would that we had at least one politician with a mind at all, changeable or not.
Bill
On 1/8/19 11:39 PM, andre_debian@numericable.fr wrote:
On Saturday 05 January 2019 03:18:04 David C. Rankin wrote:
Kate -> Take or Konsole -> Tonsole or Konqueror -> Tonqueror,Yes, it's true, Why the applications keep the letter "K" as KDE ? It should be "T" as Trinity. Twrite, Tedit, Tview, Tmail, Tonqueror...
One's may compromise here, maybe, the same way mate-desktop did, they've rebranded some of their apps (ex: atril, caja,...) while some of them got a prefix (ex: mate-terminal).
Anyway, TDE should have its own identity and It shouldn't conflict with KDE4/5 stuff ; putting everything in /opt in order to avoid such conflicts was not the right call in my view.
How about tde-kate for instance, how does that sound for a native English speaker weird...ok...so-so?
Best Year 2019 to everybody, health and Love.
André
Bonne année à toi André.
@+
Am Mittwoch, 9. Januar 2019 schrieb deloptes:
gregory guy wrote:
How about tde-kate for instance, how does that sound for a native English speaker weird...ok...so-so?
I would rather prefer "tkate"
na, just change all "k" to "t", kate-> take, that's much clearer.
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On Wednesday 09 January 2019 02:53:09 Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 08:30:46AM +0100, Dr. Nitolaus Tlepp wrote:
na, just change all "t" to "t", tate-> tate, that's much clearer.
Done!
*wint*
Dear Skeve,
You missed one.
Bill
Am Mittwoch, 9. Januar 2019 schrieb William Morder:
On Wednesday 09 January 2019 02:53:09 Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 08:30:46AM +0100, Dr. Nitolaus Tlepp wrote:
na, just change all "t" to "t", tate-> tate, that's much clearer.
Done!
*wint*
Dear Skeve,
You missed one.
Bill
ohhhh....would if have helped if I said "tr tTkK kKtT" ?
;-)
On Wednesday 09 January 2019 10:25:39 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 9. Januar 2019 schrieb William Morder:
On Wednesday 09 January 2019 02:53:09 Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 08:30:46AM +0100, Dr. Nitolaus Tlepp wrote:
na, just change all "t" to "t", tate-> tate, that's much clearer.
Done!
*wint*
Dear Skeve,
You missed one.
Bill
ohhhh....would if have helped if I said "tr tTkK kKtT" ?
;-)
Much clearer now. Glad khak we skraighkened khak ouk.
Bill
Am Mittwoch, 9. Januar 2019 schrieb gregory guy:
On 1/8/19 11:39 PM, andre_debian@numericable.fr wrote:
On Saturday 05 January 2019 03:18:04 David C. Rankin wrote:
Kate -> Take or Konsole -> Tonsole or Konqueror -> Tonqueror,Yes, it's true, Why the applications keep the letter "K" as KDE ? It should be "T" as Trinity. Twrite, Tedit, Tview, Tmail, Tonqueror...
One's may compromise here, maybe, the same way mate-desktop did, they've rebranded some of their apps (ex: atril, caja,...) while some of them got a prefix (ex: mate-terminal).
Anyway, TDE should have its own identity and It shouldn't conflict with KDE4/5 stuff ; putting everything in /opt in order to avoid such conflicts was not the right call in my view.
Oh, you look at it the wrong way. It's not TDE that conflicts with KDE, it's KDE that conflicts with TDE. KDE sould change the name of all applicattions to e.g. kde-terminal, kde-broken-konqueror, etc. Maybe KDE should also put a number in the name, as functionality drasticly changes from version to version, e.g. kde4-terminal, kde5-dolphin, kde5-unspeakable-kashew ...
Nik
How about tde-kate for instance, how does that sound for a native English speaker weird...ok...so-so?
Best Year 2019 to everybody, health and Love.
André
Bonne année à toi André.
@+
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On Tuesday 08 January 2019 23:29:49 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 9. Januar 2019 schrieb gregory guy:
On 1/8/19 11:39 PM, andre_debian@numericable.fr wrote:
On Saturday 05 January 2019 03:18:04 David C. Rankin wrote:
Kate -> Take or Konsole -> Tonsole or Konqueror -> Tonqueror,Yes, it's true, Why the applications keep the letter "K" as KDE ? It should be "T" as Trinity. Twrite, Tedit, Tview, Tmail, Tonqueror...
One's may compromise here, maybe, the same way mate-desktop did, they've� rebranded some of their apps (ex: atril, caja,...) while some of them got a prefix (ex: mate-terminal).
Anyway, TDE should have its own identity and It shouldn't conflict with KDE4/5 stuff ; putting everything in /opt in order to avoid such conflicts was not the right call in my view.
Oh, you look at it the wrong way. It's not TDE that conflicts with KDE, it's KDE that conflicts with TDE. KDE sould change the name of all applicattions to e.g. kde-terminal, kde-broken-konqueror, etc. Maybe KDE should also put a number in the name, as functionality drasticly changes from version to version, e.g. kde4-terminal, kde5-dolphin, kde5-unspeakable-kashew ...
Nik
How about tde-kate for instance, how does that sound for a native English speaker weird...ok...so-so?
Best Year 2019 to everybody, health and Love.
Andr�
Bonne ann�e � toi Andr�.
I always thought the K in the new KDE stood for krappy.
Bill
On Tuesday 08 January 2019 23:39:55 andre_debian@numericable.fr wrote:
On Saturday 05 January 2019 03:18:04 David C. Rankin wrote:
Kate -> Take or Konsole -> Tonsole or Konqueror -> Tonqueror,
Yes, it's true, Why the applications keep the letter "K" as KDE ? It should be "T" as Trinity. Twrite, Tedit, Tview, Tmail, Tonqueror...
I was joking...
I don't like KDE, too heavy and complex.
I prefer TDE and not use letter "K" anymore. tde-write, tde-konqueror... ?
But, not so easy to remove letter K.
André
On 01/08/2019 04:39 PM, andre_debian@numericable.fr wrote:
On Saturday 05 January 2019 03:18:04 David C. Rankin wrote:
Kate -> Take or Konsole -> Tonsole or Konqueror -> Tonqueror,Yes, it's true, Why the applications keep the letter "K" as KDE ? It should be "T" as Trinity. Twrite, Tedit, Tview, Tmail, Tonqueror...
Best Year 2019 to everybody, health and Love.
André
NO, NO, NO, NO...
David C. Rankin wrote:
As long as you *don't* rename
Kate -> Take or Konsole -> Tonsole or Konqueror -> Tonqueror,
(emphasis added)
"Tonqueror" sounds like an unbalanced toddler that is about to fall over... Bad JuJu...
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