8 Jan
2019
8 Jan
'19
10:39 p.m.
On Saturday 05 January 2019 03:18:04 David C. Rankin wrote:
Kate -> Take or
Konsole -> Tonsole or
Konqueror -> Tonqueror,
Yes, it's true,
Why the applications keep the letter "K" as KDE ?
It should be "T" as Trinity.
Twrite, Tedit, Tview, Tmail, Tonqueror...
Best Year 2019 to everybody, health and Love.
André
8 Jan
8 Jan
11:53 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] New subject : K to T
On Tue, Jan 08, 2019 at 11:39:55PM +0100, andre_debian(a)numericable.fr wrote:
On Saturday 05 January 2019 03:18:04 David C. Rankin
wrote:
No they shouldn't. They should stay the same name. These applications
don't change to gonsole, gonqueror, gate, etc when they are run under
Gnome.
"Konsole" etc work as names because they already start with a hard-C
sound, so its just a cute spelling pun: "console" sounds exactly the
same as "konsole".
But "tonsole" sounds like the organ at the back of your throat, the
tonsil.
And let's be realistic: TDE is not precisely a popular desktop. Sad but
true. Somebody looking for help with "Tmail" is going to find very
little information unless Google is clever enough to say "Did you mean
Kmail?" The existing names have worked fine for many years, let's not
break what isn't broken.
--
Steve
Kate -> Take or
Konsole -> Tonsole or
Konqueror -> Tonqueror,
Yes, it's true,
Why the applications keep the letter "K" as KDE ?
It should be "T" as Trinity.
Twrite, Tedit, Tview, Tmail, Tonqueror... 
9 Jan
9 Jan
12:03 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] New subject : K to T
On Tuesday 08 January 2019 15:53:31 Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, Jan 08, 2019 at 11:39:55PM +0100,
andre_debian(a)numericable.fr wrote:
I khint khak we are heading down a slippery pakh here. How abouk if we all
jusk agree ko live wikh khe hybrid of bokh naming schemes, ak leask unkil
some genius invenks somekhing bekker.
Bill
On Saturday 05 January 2019 03:18:04 David C.
Rankin wrote:
No they shouldn't. They should stay the same name. These applications
don't change to gonsole, gonqueror, gate, etc when they are run under
Gnome.
"Konsole" etc work as names because they already start with a hard-C
sound, so its just a cute spelling pun: "console" sounds exactly the
same as "konsole".
But "tonsole" sounds like the organ at the back of your throat, the
tonsil.
And let's be realistic: TDE is not precisely a popular desktop. Sad but
true. Somebody looking for help with "Tmail" is going to find very
little information unless Google is clever enough to say "Did you mean
Kmail?" The existing names have worked fine for many years, let's not
break what isn't broken. Kate -> Take or
Konsole -> Tonsole or
Konqueror -> Tonqueror,
Yes, it's true,
Why the applications keep the letter "K" as KDE ?
It should be "T" as Trinity.
Twrite, Tedit, Tview, Tmail, Tonqueror... 
1:18 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] New subject : K to T
On Tuesday 08 January 2019 06:03:53 pm William Morder wrote:
I khint khak we are heading down a slippery pakh here. How abouk if we all
jusk agree ko live wikh khe hybrid of bokh naming schemes, ak leask unkil
some genius invenks somekhing bekker.
Bill
Thanks Bill, you made my night ;)
+1 for Best post of the Year!
On Tuesday 08 January 2019 15:53:31 Steven
D'Aprano wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 08, 2019 at 11:39:55PM +0100, andre_debian(a)numericable.fr
wrote:
On Saturday 05 January 2019 03:18:04 David C. Rankin
wrote:
No they shouldn't. They should stay the same name. These applications
don't change to gonsole, gonqueror, gate, etc when they are run under
Gnome.
"Konsole" etc work as names because they already start with a hard-C
sound, so its just a cute spelling pun: "console" sounds exactly the
same as "konsole".
But "tonsole" sounds like the organ at the back of your throat, the
tonsil.
And let's be realistic: TDE is not precisely a popular desktop. Sad but
true. Somebody looking for help with "Tmail" is going to find very
little information unless Google is clever enough to say "Did you mean
Kmail?" The existing names have worked fine for many years, let's not
break what isn't broken. Kate -> Take or
Konsole -> Tonsole or
Konqueror -> Tonqueror,
Yes, it's true,
Why the applications keep the letter "K" as KDE ?
It should be "T" as Trinity.
Twrite, Tedit, Tview, Tmail, Tonqueror...
2:54 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] New subject : K to T
On Tuesday 08 January 2019 17:18:22 Michael wrote:
On Tuesday 08 January 2019 06:03:53 pm William Morder
wrote:
I khint khak we are heading down a slippery pakh here. How abouk if we
all jusk agree ko live wikh khe hybrid of bokh naming schemes, ak leask
unkil some genius invenks somekhing bekker.
Bill
Thanks Bill, you made my night ;)
+1 for Best post of the Year!
Glad to be appreciated for my dubious talents. It was either that, or the
explanatory YouTube video of kittens again.
Writing that short bit got to be a pain after the first sentence or so, but
that was my point: imagine trying to rename all the packages! And then they
will have to be correlated with all the legacy KDE3 and present TDE names.
Batch renaming won't work too well, because too many packages have awkward
names (e.g., knetworkmanager=network-manager-tde) which resist a simple K>T
conversion. We would be better off to start over from scratch; otherwise, as
Take* said, it's legacy, history.
Until we have enough TDE users, who care enough to change it, there is not
much inconvenience, and surely we can just live with it.
It's okay if we're a little messy, I think, so long as we are consistent; but
at present we are bound to the old KDE3 names.
Bill
* That's Trinitese for Kate.
On Tuesday 08 January 2019 15:53:31 Steven
D'Aprano wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 08, 2019 at 11:39:55PM +0100, andre_debian(a)numericable.fr
wrote:
On Saturday 05 January 2019 03:18:04 David C. Rankin
wrote:
> Kate -> Take or
> Konsole -> Tonsole or
> Konqueror -> Tonqueror,
Yes, it's true,
Why the applications keep the letter "K" as KDE ?
It should be "T" as Trinity.
Twrite, Tedit, Tview, Tmail, Tonqueror...
No they shouldn't. They should stay the same name. These applications
don't change to gonsole, gonqueror, gate, etc when they are run under
Gnome.
"Konsole" etc work as names because they already start with a hard-C
sound, so its just a cute spelling pun: "console" sounds exactly the
same as "konsole".
But "tonsole" sounds like the organ at the back of your throat, the
tonsil.
And let's be realistic: TDE is not precisely a popular desktop. Sad but
true. Somebody looking for help with "Tmail" is going to find very
little information unless Google is clever enough to say "Did you mean
Kmail?" The existing names have worked fine for many years, let's not
break what isn't broken. 
3:30 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] New subject : K to T
William Morder composed on 2019-01-08 18:54 (UTC-0800):
Until we have enough TDE users, who care enough to
change it, there is not
much inconvenience, and surely we can just live with it.
As a user, I see no incovenience, only the joy of not seeing changed what ain't
broke,
and unrepeated consequent waste of time relearning. What a waste were KDE4 and 5. The
KDE3 legacy is a great one. No material justification for changing TDE exists. What if
people changed their names with every change of wardrobe?
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7:25 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] New subject : K to T
Am Mittwoch, 9. Januar 2019 schrieb Felix Miata:
William Morder composed on 2019-01-08 18:54
(UTC-0800):
I know not many people that regularily change their names, but I know many people that
change their mind with every change of wardrobe - I think they are commonly referred as
"politician" :-)
Nik
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Until we have enough TDE users, who care enough
to change it, there is not
much inconvenience, and surely we can just live with it.
As a user, I see no incovenience, only the joy of not seeing changed what ain't
broke,
and unrepeated consequent waste of time relearning. What a waste were KDE4 and 5. The
KDE3 legacy is a great one. No material justification for changing TDE exists. What if
people changed their names with every change of wardrobe?
7:31 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] New subject : K to T
On Tuesday 08 January 2019 23:25:56 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 9. Januar 2019 schrieb Felix Miata:
Would that we had at least one politician with a mind at all, changeable or
not.
Bill
William Morder composed on 2019-01-08 18:54
(UTC-0800):
I know not many people that regularily change their names, but I know many
people that change their mind with every change of wardrobe - I think they
are commonly referred as "politician" :-)
Nik Until we have enough TDE users, who care enough
to change it, there is
not much inconvenience, and surely we can just live with it.
As a user, I see no incovenience, only the joy of not seeing changed what
ain't broke, and unrepeated consequent waste of time relearning. What a
waste were KDE4 and 5. The KDE3 legacy is a great one. No material
justification for changing TDE exists. What if people changed their names
with every change of wardrobe? 
6:55 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] New subject : K to T
On 1/8/19 11:39 PM, andre_debian(a)numericable.fr wrote:
On Saturday 05 January 2019 03:18:04 David C. Rankin
wrote:
One's may compromise here, maybe, the same way mate-desktop did,
they've rebranded some of their apps (ex: atril, caja,...) while some
of them got a prefix (ex: mate-terminal).
Anyway, TDE should have its own identity and It shouldn't conflict with
KDE4/5 stuff ; putting everything in /opt in order to avoid such
conflicts was not the right call in my view.
How about tde-kate for instance, how does that sound for a native
English speaker weird...ok...so-so?
Kate -> Take or
Konsole -> Tonsole or
Konqueror -> Tonqueror,
Yes, it's true,
Why the applications keep the letter "K" as KDE ?
It should be "T" as Trinity.
Twrite, Tedit, Tview, Tmail, Tonqueror...
Best Year 2019 to everybody, health and Love.
André
Bonne année à toi André.
@+
7:30 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: New subject : K to T
Am Mittwoch, 9. Januar 2019 schrieb deloptes:
gregory guy wrote:
na, just change all "k" to "t", kate-> take, that's much
clearer.
How about tde-kate for instance, how does that
sound for a native
English speaker weird...ok...so-so?
I would rather prefer "tkate"
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11:02 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: New subject : K to T
On Wednesday 09 January 2019 02:53:09 Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 08:30:46AM +0100, Dr. Nitolaus
Tlepp wrote:
Dear Skeve,
You missed one.
Bill
na, just change all "t" to
"t", tate-> tate, that's much clearer.
Done!
*wint*
6:25 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: New subject : K to T
Am Mittwoch, 9. Januar 2019 schrieb William Morder:
On Wednesday 09 January 2019 02:53:09 Steven D'Aprano wrote:
ohhhh....would if have helped if I said "tr tTkK kKtT" ?
;-)
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On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 08:30:46AM +0100, Dr.
Nitolaus Tlepp wrote:
Dear Skeve,
You missed one.
Bill na, just change all "t" to
"t", tate-> tate, that's much clearer.
Done!
*wint*
6:55 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: New subject : K to T
On Wednesday 09 January 2019 10:25:39 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 9. Januar 2019 schrieb William Morder:
Much clearer now. Glad khak we skraighkened khak ouk.
Bill
On Wednesday 09 January 2019 02:53:09 Steven
D'Aprano wrote:
ohhhh....would if have helped if I said "tr tTkK kKtT" ?
;-) On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 08:30:46AM +0100, Dr.
Nitolaus Tlepp wrote:
Dear Skeve,
You missed one.
Bill na, just change all "t" to
"t", tate-> tate, that's much clearer.
Done!
*wint*
7:29 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] New subject : K to T
Am Mittwoch, 9. Januar 2019 schrieb gregory guy:
On 1/8/19 11:39 PM, andre_debian(a)numericable.fr
wrote:
Oh, you look at it the wrong way. It's not TDE that conflicts with KDE, it's KDE
that conflicts with TDE. KDE sould change the name of all applicattions to e.g.
kde-terminal, kde-broken-konqueror, etc. Maybe KDE should also put a number in the name,
as functionality drasticly changes from version to version, e.g. kde4-terminal,
kde5-dolphin, kde5-unspeakable-kashew ...
Nik
On Saturday 05 January 2019 03:18:04 David C.
Rankin wrote:
One's may compromise here, maybe, the same way mate-desktop did,
they've rebranded some of their apps (ex: atril, caja,...) while some
of them got a prefix (ex: mate-terminal).
Anyway, TDE should have its own identity and It shouldn't conflict with
KDE4/5 stuff ; putting everything in /opt in order to avoid such
conflicts was not the right call in my view. Kate -> Take or
Konsole -> Tonsole or
Konqueror -> Tonqueror,
Yes, it's true,
Why the applications keep the letter "K" as KDE ?
It should be "T" as Trinity.
Twrite, Tedit, Tview, Tmail, Tonqueror...
How about tde-kate for instance, how does that sound for a native
English speaker weird...ok...so-so?
--
Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA,
CIA ...
Best Year 2019 to everybody, health and Love.
André
Bonne année à toi André.
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7:36 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] New subject : K to T
On Tuesday 08 January 2019 23:29:49 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 9. Januar 2019 schrieb gregory guy:
I always thought the K in the new KDE stood for krappy.
Bill
On 1/8/19 11:39 PM, andre_debian(a)numericable.fr
wrote:
Oh, you look at it the wrong way. It's not TDE that conflicts with KDE,
it's KDE that conflicts with TDE. KDE sould change the name of all
applicattions to e.g. kde-terminal, kde-broken-konqueror, etc. Maybe KDE
should also put a number in the name, as functionality drasticly changes
from version to version, e.g. kde4-terminal, kde5-dolphin,
kde5-unspeakable-kashew ...
Nik
> How about tde-kate for instance, how does that sound for a native
> English speaker weird...ok...so-so?
>
> > Best Year 2019 to everybody, health and Love.
> >
> > Andr�
>
> Bonne ann�e � toi Andr�.
>
> On Saturday 05 January 2019 03:18:04 David C.
Rankin wrote:
One's may compromise here, maybe, the same way mate-desktop did,
they've� rebranded some of their apps (ex: atril, caja,...) while some
of them got a prefix (ex: mate-terminal).
Anyway, TDE should have its own identity and It shouldn't conflict with
KDE4/5 stuff ; putting everything in /opt in order to avoid such
conflicts was not the right call in my view. Kate -> Take or
Konsole -> Tonsole or
Konqueror -> Tonqueror,
Yes, it's true,
Why the applications keep the letter "K" as KDE ?
It should be "T" as Trinity.
Twrite, Tedit, Tview, Tmail, Tonqueror...
10:02 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] New subject : K to T
On Tuesday 08 January 2019 23:39:55 andre_debian(a)numericable.fr wrote:
On Saturday 05 January 2019 03:18:04 David C. Rankin
wrote:
> Kate -> Take or
> Konsole -> Tonsole or
> Konqueror -> Tonqueror,
Yes, it's true,
Why the applications keep the letter "K" as KDE ?
It should be "T" as Trinity.
Twrite, Tedit, Tview, Tmail, Tonqueror...
I was joking...
I don't like KDE, too heavy and complex.
I prefer TDE and not use letter "K" anymore.
tde-write, tde-konqueror... ?
But, not so easy to remove letter K.
André
11:58 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] New subject : K to T
On 01/08/2019 04:39 PM, andre_debian(a)numericable.fr wrote:
On Saturday 05 January 2019 03:18:04 David C. Rankin
wrote:
NO, NO, NO, NO...
David C. Rankin wrote:
As long as you *don't* rename
Kate -> Take or
Konsole -> Tonsole or
Konqueror -> Tonqueror,
(emphasis added)
"Tonqueror" sounds like an unbalanced toddler that is about to fall over...
Bad JuJu...
--
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Kate -> Take or
Konsole -> Tonsole or
Konqueror -> Tonqueror,
Yes, it's true,
Why the applications keep the letter "K" as KDE ?
It should be "T" as Trinity.
Twrite, Tedit, Tview, Tmail, Tonqueror...
Best Year 2019 to everybody, health and Love.
André
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