31 Dec
2019
31 Dec
'19
6:26 p.m.
Greetings all;
I updated tde about 2 hours ago, 300+ files.
Its totally fscked, defaulting to xfce4 and nothing but a tiny terminal
works. But that terminal is enough to get more started.
Can't find kmail from the xfce4 menu but kmail is what it reports
it cannot find so $path is screwed.
I've gone single and tried to relink default-display back
to /opt/trinity/bin/tdm, failed. Tried to reset it in /etc/default,
failed. Tried just about everthiing including re-installing the
trinty-base & twm/tdm stuffs. no luck
I finally found /opt/trinity/bin/kmail and have it running but no clue if
I can send this.
How in tuncket do I restore my default desktop to tde now??? I
asccidently touched the folder icon, it opened a huge requester asnd
froze everthing but gkrellm which I had found and started so I could see
if the robots were DDOSing me, so I had to re-start it with the front
panel reset button.
I likely have the whole thing to fix as right now its cycleing back and
forth as its starting x with a tde login but clears that screen and
eventually starts xfce4. And here come the damned bots, so I gotta get
iptables running.
Thanks for any help. debian stretch on amd64 if that helps.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
31 Dec
31 Dec
8:03 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] tde update disaster, helllppppp!!!!!!
On Tuesday 31 December 2019 12:26:17 pm Gene Heskett wrote:
Greetings all;
I updated tde about 2 hours ago, 300+ files.
Its totally fscked, defaulting to xfce4 and nothing but a tiny terminal
works. But that terminal is enough to get more started.
Can't find kmail from the xfce4 menu but kmail is what it reports
it cannot find so $path is screwed.
I've gone single and tried to relink default-display back
to /opt/trinity/bin/tdm, failed. Tried to reset it in /etc/default,
failed. Tried just about everthiing including re-installing the
trinty-base & twm/tdm stuffs. no luck
I finally found /opt/trinity/bin/kmail and have it running but no clue if
I can send this.
How in tuncket do I restore my default desktop to tde now??? I
asccidently touched the folder icon, it opened a huge requester asnd
froze everthing but gkrellm which I had found and started so I could see
if the robots were DDOSing me, so I had to re-start it with the front
panel reset button.
I likely have the whole thing to fix as right now its cycleing back and
forth as its starting x with a tde login but clears that screen and
eventually starts xfce4. And here come the damned bots, so I gotta get
iptables running.
Thanks for any help. debian stretch on amd64 if that helps.
Gene I feel your pain, been there, hated it...
Everyone who hasn’t updated yet, make sure to do a full disk clone of your OS
and Home dir disks!
General Instructions:
- Make and Boot into a Live CD/USB
- Mount an external disk [bigger than your OS and Home disk(s)]
- Command prompt (root)
- - fdisk -l # (Identify your partition information)
- - blockdev --getbsz {partition} # (Find your block size)
- - Use dd to clone the entire OS and Home disk(s) to a file on the external
drive. *
* Do NOT use noerror
* If you’ve never used dd before, read 3 to 6 web guides first!
Best All,
Michael
PS: Gene, my best guess for a fix at your point is to make a backup of your
home dir, do a full wipe, and then full reinstall. I have some partial
scripts I use to re-integrate the old home dir into the new home dir, send me
a mail if you want them.
10:34 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] tde update disaster, helllppppp!!!!!!
On Tuesday 31 December 2019 21.03:33 Michael wrote:
Everyone who hasn’t updated yet, make sure to do a
full disk clone of your
OS and Home dir disks!
I feel this is a necessary step before *any* update. That's why my systems use
boot SSD's and I make a copy (I use Image for Linux but dd would do).
I've updated both Buster (from Slavek's preliminary builds) and Stretch (from
the regular repositories) with no real problem.
As William Morder says, run dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity before reboot, Debian
get's updated too (new kernel) and reverts to some Debian DM (lightdm or gdm3
here). Nasty Debian way...
Updating without a sound backup is a risky way of life.
Thierry
8:13 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] tde update disaster, helllppppp!!!!!!
On Tuesday 31 December 2019 10:26:17 Gene Heskett wrote:
Greetings all;
I updated tde about 2 hours ago, 300+ files.
Its totally fscked, defaulting to xfce4 and nothing but a tiny terminal
works. But that terminal is enough to get more started.
Can't find kmail from the xfce4 menu but kmail is what it reports
it cannot find so $path is screwed.
I've gone single and tried to relink default-display back
to /opt/trinity/bin/tdm, failed. Tried to reset it in /etc/default,
failed. Tried just about everthiing including re-installing the
trinty-base & twm/tdm stuffs. no luck
I finally found /opt/trinity/bin/kmail and have it running but no clue if
I can send this.
How in tuncket do I restore my default desktop to tde now??? I
asccidently touched the folder icon, it opened a huge requester asnd
froze everthing but gkrellm which I had found and started so I could see
if the robots were DDOSing me, so I had to re-start it with the front
panel reset button.
I likely have the whole thing to fix as right now its cycleing back and
forth as its starting x with a tde login but clears that screen and
eventually starts xfce4. And here come the damned bots, so I gotta get
iptables running.
Thanks for any help. debian stretch on amd64 if that helps.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
I also had some glitches. When I update Trinity with a big load of new
packages, somehow it sets my login and stuff to KDE or maybe Gnome (I don't
recognize them any more), but after login still opens in my TDE; however, the
login security feature disappears (whatever it's called), and sometimes I end
up having to reinstall everything with new packages just to get everything
back to normal. This has been a recurring bug, or maybe more than a bug; at
any rate, it bugs me a whole lot.
Have you tried "sudo dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity"?
When I do this, I find that my default desktop has been changed, apparently to
KDE, even though I didn't install anything KDE.
Bill
11:30 p.m.
New subject: [BULK] Re: [trinity-users] tde update disaster, helllppppp!!!!!!
On Tuesday 31 December 2019 15:13:29 William Morder via trinity-users
wrote:
sudo dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinit
And while it shows tdm-trinity as a choice, it not capable of being
selected. Lightdm is highlighted as the top line, no effect from the
mouse or tab key.
???
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
11:26 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] tde update disaster, helllppppp!!!!!!
Gene Heskett composed on 2019-12-31 13:26 (UTC-0500):
Thanks for any help. debian stretch on amd64 if that
helps.
1-Make sure tdm-trinity is installed and configured.
2-Purge lightdm, sddm, kdm, gdm and any other dm you can find besides tdm.
3-Make sure /etc/X11/default-display-manager exists and contains
/opt/trinity/bin/tdm.
--
Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science.
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
11:45 p.m.
New subject: [BULK] Re: [trinity-users] tde update disaster, helllppppp!!!!!!
On Tuesday 31 December 2019 18:26:24 Felix Miata wrote:
Gene Heskett composed on 2019-12-31 13:26 (UTC-0500):
Did that, now the dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity kills the xsession and
restarts xfce4 w/o presenting a choice menu, it just restartx xfce4
And now I've got 10 minutes or more getting everything restarted. grrr.
Thanks for any help. debian stretch on amd64 if
that helps.
1-Make sure tdm-trinity is installed and configured.
2-Purge lightdm, sddm, kdm, gdm and any other dm you can find besides
tdm.
3-Make sure /etc/X11/default-display-manager exists and contains
/opt/trinity/bin/tdm.
It exists, and does contain the above.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
1 Jan
1 Jan
12:44 a.m.
New subject: [BULK] [trinity-users] Re: [BULK] Re: [trinity-users] tde update disaster, helllppppp!!!!!!
On Tuesday 31 December 2019 18:45:46 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Tuesday 31 December 2019 18:26:24 Felix Miata
wrote:
Got it, re-installed the heart of tde, 20 or so files with gksudo
synaptic, ran the dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity again, no errors I hadn't
seen before.
logged out, in due time the tdm login showed up, this time with a real
window manager menu. Default (last session) checked, switched it to tde,
clicked on login and everything seems back to normal.
But the damned bots are back to DDOSing me. Its one of the cz bots, and
while iptables claims its running and that address is shown as dropped,
it also is not incrementing ANY of the counters. I guess pita that it is
restarting everything, its time for a full shutdown reboot.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Gene Heskett composed on 2019-12-31 13:26
(UTC-0500):
Did that, now the dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity kills the xsession and
restarts xfce4 w/o presenting a choice menu, it just restartx xfce4
And now I've got 10 minutes or more getting everything restarted.
grrr.
Thanks for any help. debian stretch on amd64 if
that helps.
1-Make sure tdm-trinity is installed and configured.
2-Purge lightdm, sddm, kdm, gdm and any other dm you can find
besides tdm. 3-Make sure /etc/X11/default-display-manager
exists and contains
/opt/trinity/bin/tdm.
It exists, and does contain the above.
Cheers, Gene Heskett 
1:49 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: [BULK] [trinity-users] Re: [BULK] Re: [trinity-users] tde update disaster, helllppppp!!!!!!
On Wednesday 01 of January 2020 01:44:44 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Tuesday 31 December 2019 18:45:46 Gene Heskett
wrote:
Hi Gene,
now I realized one potential problem when updating from a previous version:
During the tdm-trinity upgrade, the previous version of the package
performs an unwanted removal of the init script /etc/init.d/tdm. If your
system uses init scripts, this can be a critical issue. The best way to
get the init script back is:
apt-get purge tdm-trinity && apt-get install tdm-trinity
Cheers
--
Slávek
On Tuesday 31 December 2019 18:26:24 Felix Miata
wrote:
Got it, re-installed the heart of tde, 20 or so files with gksudo
synaptic, ran the dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity again, no errors I hadn't
seen before.
logged out, in due time the tdm login showed up, this time with a real
window manager menu. Default (last session) checked, switched it to tde,
clicked on login and everything seems back to normal.
But the damned bots are back to DDOSing me. Its one of the cz bots, and
while iptables claims its running and that address is shown as dropped,
it also is not incrementing ANY of the counters. I guess pita that it is
restarting everything, its time for a full shutdown reboot.
Cheers, Gene Heskett Gene Heskett composed on 2019-12-31 13:26
(UTC-0500):
Did that, now the dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity kills the xsession and
restarts xfce4 w/o presenting a choice menu, it just restartx xfce4
And now I've got 10 minutes or more getting everything restarted.
grrr.
Thanks for any help. debian stretch on amd64 if
that helps.
1-Make sure tdm-trinity is installed and configured.
2-Purge lightdm, sddm, kdm, gdm and any other dm you can find
besides tdm. 3-Make sure /etc/X11/default-display-manager
exists and contains
/opt/trinity/bin/tdm.
It exists, and does contain the above.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
2:14 a.m.
New subject: [BULK] Re: [trinity-users] Re: [BULK] [trinity-users] Re: [BULK] Re: [trinity-users] tde update disaster, helllppppp!!!!!!
On Tuesday 31 December 2019 20:49:33 Slávek Banko wrote:
On Wednesday 01 of January 2020 01:44:44 Gene Heskett
wrote:
I did re-installs, probably not exactly the same, but I do now have a tdm
file in /etc/init.d. And I seem to be working ok after an extra full
power down boot. Fingers crossed of coarse. Thanks Slavec.
On Tuesday 31 December 2019 18:45:46 Gene Heskett
wrote:
Hi Gene,
now I realized one potential problem when updating from a previous
version: During the tdm-trinity upgrade, the previous version of the
package performs an unwanted removal of the init script
/etc/init.d/tdm. If your system uses init scripts, this can be a
critical issue. The best way to get the init script back is:
apt-get purge tdm-trinity && apt-get install tdm-trinity
On Tuesday 31 December 2019 18:26:24 Felix Miata
wrote:
Got it, re-installed the heart of tde, 20 or so files with gksudo
synaptic, ran the dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity again, no errors I
hadn't seen before.
logged out, in due time the tdm login showed up, this time with a
real window manager menu. Default (last session) checked, switched
it to tde, clicked on login and everything seems back to normal.
But the damned bots are back to DDOSing me. Its one of the cz bots,
and while iptables claims its running and that address is shown as
dropped, it also is not incrementing ANY of the counters. I guess
pita that it is restarting everything, its time for a full shutdown
reboot.
Cheers, Gene Heskett Gene Heskett composed on 2019-12-31 13:26
(UTC-0500):
> Thanks for any help. debian stretch on amd64 if that helps.
1-Make sure tdm-trinity is installed and configured.
2-Purge lightdm, sddm, kdm, gdm and any other dm you can find
besides tdm.
Did that, now the dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity kills the xsession
and restarts xfce4 w/o presenting a choice menu, it just restartx
xfce4 And now I've got 10 minutes or more getting everything
restarted. grrr.
3-Make sure /etc/X11/default-display-manager
exists and contains
/opt/trinity/bin/tdm.
It exists, and does contain the above.
Cheers, Gene Heskett Cheers
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
22 Jan
22 Jan
7:06 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] 18.04 no TDM (was: tde update disaster, helllppppp!!!!!!)
Slávek Banko composed on 2020-01-01 02:49 (UTC+0100):
now I realized one potential problem when updating
from a previous version:
During the tdm-trinity upgrade, the previous version of the package
performs an unwanted removal of the init script /etc/init.d/tdm. If your
system uses init scripts, this can be a critical issue. The best way to
get the init script back is:
apt-get purge tdm-trinity && apt-get install
tdm-trinity
Didn't work for me with Upstart 16.04 -> 18.04. /etc/init.d/tdm-trinity is
symlinked to a non-existent /lib/init/upstart-job, duly noted in the journal
without saying anything helpful. There is a backtrace in Xorg, but I can't ID the
cause:
http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Linux/TDE/xorg0log-p5bse-u1804.txt
--
Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science.
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
1 Jan
1 Jan
7:02 a.m.
New subject: [BULK] [trinity-users] Re: [BULK] Re: [trinity-users] tde update disaster, helllppppp!!!!!!
On Tuesday 31 December 2019 18:45:46 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Tuesday 31 December 2019 18:26:24 Felix Miata
wrote:
Also I have TDE installed on one of my milling machines, and logging in
to run linuxcnc after upgrading it to 14.0.7 seems to have gone aglay
there also. I'll see if a similar procedure will fix it later today when
I can get to its own keyboard. There from an ssh -Y login,
dpkg-reconfigure tdm.trinity, reports that tdm.trinity is not installed.
So I callup synaptic and re-install tdm.trinity, but still get the
message that its not installed:(paste from that ssh login) 14.0.7 on 2
machines, 2 machines failed.
gene@GO704:~/linuxcnc/configs/GO704-5i25-7i76$ gksudo synaptic
gene@GO704:~/linuxcnc/configs/GO704-5i25-7i76$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure
tdm.trinity
[sudo] password for gene:
dpkg-query: package 'tdm.trinity' is not installed and no information is
available
Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: tdm.trinity is not installed
Looks like that package needs help. That machine is still running wheezy
FWIW.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Gene Heskett composed on 2019-12-31 13:26
(UTC-0500):
Did that, now the dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity kills the xsession and
restarts xfce4 w/o presenting a choice menu, it just restartx xfce4
And now I've got 10 minutes or more getting everything restarted.
grrr.
Thanks for any help. debian stretch on amd64 if
that helps.
1-Make sure tdm-trinity is installed and configured.
2-Purge lightdm, sddm, kdm, gdm and any other dm you can find
besides tdm. 3-Make sure /etc/X11/default-display-manager
exists and contains
/opt/trinity/bin/tdm.
It exists, and does contain the above.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
9:03 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: [BULK] [trinity-users] Re: [BULK] Re: [trinity-users] tde update disaster, helllppppp!!!!!!
On Wednesday 01 of January 2020 08:02:17 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Tuesday 31 December 2019 18:45:46 Gene Heskett
wrote:
Hi Gene,
in the mail you mention tdm.trinity several times - I do not know if it is
a repeated typo in the mail or if you really typed such a name in the
command line? It should be tdm-trinity.
Cheers
--
Slávek
On Tuesday 31 December 2019 18:26:24 Felix Miata
wrote:
Also I have TDE installed on one of my milling machines, and logging in
to run linuxcnc after upgrading it to 14.0.7 seems to have gone aglay
there also. I'll see if a similar procedure will fix it later today when
I can get to its own keyboard. There from an ssh -Y login,
dpkg-reconfigure tdm.trinity, reports that tdm.trinity is not installed.
So I callup synaptic and re-install tdm.trinity, but still get the
message that its not installed:(paste from that ssh login) 14.0.7 on 2
machines, 2 machines failed.
gene@GO704:~/linuxcnc/configs/GO704-5i25-7i76$ gksudo synaptic
gene@GO704:~/linuxcnc/configs/GO704-5i25-7i76$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure
tdm.trinity
[sudo] password for gene:
dpkg-query: package 'tdm.trinity' is not installed and no information is
available
Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: tdm.trinity is not installed
Looks like that package needs help. That machine is still running
wheezy FWIW.
Cheers, Gene Heskett Gene Heskett composed on 2019-12-31 13:26
(UTC-0500):
Did that, now the dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity kills the xsession and
restarts xfce4 w/o presenting a choice menu, it just restartx xfce4
And now I've got 10 minutes or more getting everything restarted.
grrr.
Thanks for any help. debian stretch on amd64 if
that helps.
1-Make sure tdm-trinity is installed and configured.
2-Purge lightdm, sddm, kdm, gdm and any other dm you can find
besides tdm. 3-Make sure /etc/X11/default-display-manager
exists and contains
/opt/trinity/bin/tdm.
It exists, and does contain the above.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
1:11 p.m.
New subject: [BULK] Re: [trinity-users] Re: [BULK] [trinity-users] Re: [BULK] Re: [trinity-users] tde update disaster, helllppppp!!!!!!
On Wednesday 01 January 2020 04:03:09 Slávek Banko wrote:
On Wednesday 01 of January 2020 08:02:17 Gene Heskett
wrote:
Probably a typo, but I'll sure check it right now. And you are right, now
its not an error. Reboot in progress.
And now the startup error seems to be pointing at a missing gladevcp.
Thats is a gcode helper I don't use very often. Removed its references
from the .ini file, and linixcnc runs ok w/o it.
But this is typical, everytime we find a tool that lets us enhance the
usefullness of linuxcnc, it gets removed. A tool that needs GTK-2, I had
installed it to see if it would be helpfull when I was doing something
I'd not done before. I generally write my own g-code, its not THAT hard.
I got to look at it for about 6 months, now its gone and in terms of GUI
usefullness, GTK-3 isn't even as usefull as those famous appendages on a
boar hogs belly. Not your fault but Grrrrrrrrrr.
Than you Slávek, and I hope 2020 is a better year for everybody...
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
On Tuesday 31 December 2019 18:45:46 Gene Heskett
wrote:
Hi Gene,
in the mail you mention tdm.trinity several times - I do not know if
it is a repeated typo in the mail or if you really typed such a name
in the command line? It should be tdm-trinity.
Cheers On Tuesday 31 December 2019 18:26:24 Felix Miata
wrote:
Also I have TDE installed on one of my milling machines, and logging
in to run linuxcnc after upgrading it to 14.0.7 seems to have gone
aglay there also. I'll see if a similar procedure will fix it later
today when I can get to its own keyboard. There from an ssh -Y
login, dpkg-reconfigure tdm.trinity, reports that tdm.trinity is not
installed. So I callup synaptic and re-install tdm.trinity, but
still get the message that its not installed:(paste from that ssh
login) 14.0.7 on 2 machines, 2 machines failed.
gene@GO704:~/linuxcnc/configs/GO704-5i25-7i76$ gksudo synaptic
gene@GO704:~/linuxcnc/configs/GO704-5i25-7i76$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure
tdm.trinity
[sudo] password for gene:
dpkg-query: package 'tdm.trinity' is not installed and no
information is available
Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: tdm.trinity is not installed
Looks like that package needs help. That machine is still running
wheezy FWIW.
Cheers, Gene Heskett Gene Heskett composed on 2019-12-31 13:26
(UTC-0500):
> Thanks for any help. debian stretch on amd64 if that helps.
1-Make sure tdm-trinity is installed and configured.
2-Purge lightdm, sddm, kdm, gdm and any other dm you can find
besides tdm.
Did that, now the dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity kills the xsession
and restarts xfce4 w/o presenting a choice menu, it just restartx
xfce4 And now I've got 10 minutes or more getting everything
restarted. grrr.
3-Make sure /etc/X11/default-display-manager
exists and contains
/opt/trinity/bin/tdm.
It exists, and does contain the above.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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