| On 02/20/2011 08:24 AM, Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: | You'll kave to remove all packages with "nepomuk" in their name. I'd also | suggest, you remove all thangs named "*kde4*" and "*plasma*" | | | | I tried that, it was NOT good: | # apt-get remove libnepomuk4 libnepomukquery4a | Reading package lists... Done | Building dependency tree       | Reading state information... Done | The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: |   libpano13-bin libkldap4 libktnef4 libksane0 libkpimtextedit4 enblend |   libkimproxy4 libmicroblog4 libimage-exiftool-perl libkipi7 enfuse |   libhighgui2.1 libkleo4 libcvaux2.1 libmimelib4 libprocesscore4a htdig |   libprocessui4a libakonadiprivate1 hugin-data libksgrd4 libkpgp4 libqgpgme1 |   libmailtransport4 libakonadi-kde4 libkabc4 libkresources4 hugin |   libkpimutils4 libksieve4 libkrossui4 kdegraphics-libs-data |   libkpimidentities4 libkcal4 libpano13-1 libcv2.1 libkimap4 libkmime4 |   libakonadi-contact4 libakonadi-kabc4 libkholidays4 akonadi-server |   libksignalplotter4 kipi-plugins-common libmessagecore4 sqlite3 |   libakonadi-kcal4 libakonadi-kmime4 kdepimlibs-kio-plugins libkdcraw8 |   libgpgme++2 hugin-tools libkontactinterface4 | Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. | The following packages will be REMOVED: |   akregator amarok ark cervisia cvsservice digikam digikam-doc dolphin |   filelight gwenview k3b kaddressbook kappfinder kate kate-plugins kbattleship |   kcalc kchart kde-window-manager kdebase-apps kdebase-bin kdebase-runtime |   kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdepasswd kdepim-runtime kdm kfind kgpg |   khelpcenter4 kipi-plugins klipper kmahjongg kmail kmailcvt kmines knode |   knotes koffice-libs konq-plugins konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole |   kontact korganizer kpat krecipes krita kshisen ksudoku ksysguard ktorrent |   ktouch kweather kwin kwrite libkdepim4 libmessagelist4 libnepomuk4 |   libnepomukquery4a okular plasma-dataengines-workspace plasma-desktop |   plasma-netbook plasma-widgets-workspace systemsettings | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 65 to remove and 1 not upgraded. | After this operation, 235 MB disk space will be freed. | Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Thats OK until you do use KDE4 versions of there softwares. Otherwise you should worry only about removing packagename-kde3 packages. -- Inga Muste, Valsts.Lv administratore +371 22077022 +371 25508844

| > | The following packages will be REMOVED: | > | akregator amarok ark cervisia cvsservice digikam digikam-doc dolphin | > | filelight gwenview k3b kaddressbook kappfinder kate kate-plugins kbattleship | > | kcalc kchart kde-window-manager kdebase-apps kdebase-bin kdebase-runtime | > | kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdepasswd kdepim-runtime kdm kfind kgpg | > | khelpcenter4 kipi-plugins klipper kmahjongg kmail kmailcvt kmines knode | > | knotes koffice-libs konq-plugins konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole | > | kontact korganizer kpat krecipes krita kshisen ksudoku ksysguard ktorrent | > | ktouch kweather kwin kwrite libkdepim4 libmessagelist4 libnepomuk4 | > | libnepomukquery4a okular plasma-dataengines-workspace plasma-desktop | > | plasma-netbook plasma-widgets-workspace systemsettings | > | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 65 to remove and 1 not upgraded. | > | After this operation, 235 MB disk space will be freed. | > | Do you want to continue [Y/n]? | > | > Thats OK until you do use KDE4 versions of there softwares. Otherwise you should worry only about removing packagename-kde3 packages. | > | > - | ahhh, I see: | ii akregator | 4:4.4.7-3 RSS/Atom feed aggregator | ii akregator-trinity | 4:3.5.12-0debian7+r1178442 RSS feed aggregator for KDE | | but i DO use k3b.. there is no k3b-trinity? There should be. For example, the output from my system (Mint10 based on Ubuntu Maverick 10.10): tokra@MD10 ~ $ apt-cache search k3b k3b - A sophisticated CD/DVD burning application k3b-kde3 - A sophisticated KDE CD burning application [KDE3] The first one is KDE4's k3b, the k3b-kde3 is from Trinity. You possibly should install k3b-kde3 or kde3-trinity. -- Inga Muste, Valsts.Lv administratore +371 22077022 +371 25508844

It depends of what you really use: KDE4 (default) or KDE3 (Trinity). | wait, I also use digikam, so I need k3b & digilam. Can I just reinstall | them? will it also bring in a bunch more cruft? -- Inga Muste, Valsts.Lv administratore +371 22077022 +371 25508844

On Sunday 20 February 2011 05:22:51 am Paul Cartwright wrote: Well you obviously installed kde4 <something>. KDE3 Trinity packages all have the 'trinity' name appended. No reason you can't have Gnome & Trinity installed on the same machine, I think that is what you mean. You might find that running a Trinity app from Gnome has some minor issues. -- Peace, Greg

On Sun February 20 2011 08:22:33 Lisi wrote: It seems that installing Trinity in Squeeze in the default manner brings in some of KDE4. Not through Depends but through Recommends. You could consider "apt-get --no-install-recommends install ...". You can get a idea of what KDE4 components you have installed using "dpkg -l | grep '4:4.4'". Although not perfect it's quick and easy. If you find e.g. kdefoo installed you can ask "aptitude why kdefoo". If the KDE4 packages are only recommended you can remove them. --Mike Bird

On Sunday 20 February 2011 07:33:40 am Mike Bird wrote: snip I can see that it appears that some kde4 can get installed with Trinity. I use dselect to manage my systems and recommends where easy? to avoid. I do use okular from kde4 though, it loaded lots of kde4 libs and such, doesn't seem to affect Trinity. -- Peace, Greg

Am Sonntag, 20. Februar 2011 schrieb Lisi: It's a pitty to say, but on squeze not all kde4 packages carry a *kde4* in their name. e.g.: plasma-* libnepomuk* shared-desktop-ontologies strigi-* by some unknown reason even installation of trinity can cause some kde4 packages to be reinstalled. Anyway, getting rid of that stuff is easy and once you've done it it stays away :-) nik

Am Sonntag, 20. Februar 2011 schrieb Paul Cartwright: this is what I did - but it's not for the faint hearted: # apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}'|grep '^plasma-') # apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}'|grep '^libnepomuk-') # apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}'|grep '^strigi-') # apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}'|grep '^kde4-') Now each of this lines gives you a bunch of packages, that will also be removed. Keep an eye on them, there might be some packages you'd like and need to reinstall later from trinity repository. But first check, that you get synaptic running :-)

Am Sonntag, 20. Februar 2011 schrieb Paul Cartwright: as far as I can tell, it's because it uses sudo, not su, and sudo want's the users password :-) i'm courious, what's your display id now and why does it keep changing? constantly? nik

On 20/02/11 19:05, Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: Absolute zero kde4 apps here except... One qt4 lib...I know exactly what and why (wpa_gui). I do however have a "trinity minimal install" as I posted in the forum. At least I know, from my package list (also posted there), what does not pull in any kde4 or qt4. I use apt-get defaults which as far as I know installs recommends. If you installed ocular that's probably the culprit. You should probably at least use "apt-get install xyx --no-install-recommends -s" and watch carefully what would happen for any kde4 stuff Some more ways to sniff out kde4 : dpkg -l|grep kde|grep -v trinity dpkg -l | grep qt4

On 02/20/2011 04:03 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: # cd /usr/share/autostart # ls kab2kabc.desktop they must all be removed:) +1 that would be a REALLY GOOD THING -- Paul Cartwright

On 02/20/2011 03:30 PM, Greg Madden wrote: Greg, Your right. I think the answer may lie in files that required the kde4-runtime-base. I have trinity in /opt/trinity so I don't know why it looks in /usr/share/autostart. The 3 *guesses* I have are: (1) Xstartup (or something like it checks there) (2) Trinity looks in /var/tmp/kdecache-$USER and read ksyscoca4 for some reason that causes /usr/share/autostart to be read; or (3) Any kde app that relies on the kde4-runtime triggers a read of /usr/share/autostart. I know somebody smarter than me knows a way to look at the calls made during Trinity start and figure out what does it. But I agree, Trinity needs to be able to run without invoking the kde4 startup files. The 800 lb. gorilla in the room is if it is the result of any app built against the kde4 runtime doing it. I don't know how we would solve this one... I'll leave that to the smart guys :) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.