this morning I noticed my system was rather sluggish. One thing I found was nepomukserver, and about 5 other processes.. I am running Debian Squeeze & trinity kde3.5 . I turned off the desktop search function, is there anything else I can do? I had those processes running & I use gnome desktop! my other user runs trinity..
Am Sonntag, 20. Februar 2011 schrieb Paul Cartwright:
this morning I noticed my system was rather sluggish. One thing I found was nepomukserver, and about 5 other processes.. I am running Debian Squeeze & trinity kde3.5 . I turned off the desktop search function, is there anything else I can do? I had those processes running & I use gnome desktop! my other user runs trinity..
You'll kave to remove all packages with "nepomuk" in their name. I'd also suggest, you remove all thangs named "*kde4*" and "*plasma*"
On 02/20/2011 08:24 AM, Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
You'll kave to remove all packages with "nepomuk" in their name. I'd also suggest, you remove all thangs named "*kde4*" and "*plasma*"
I tried that, it was NOT good: # apt-get remove libnepomuk4 libnepomukquery4a Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libpano13-bin libkldap4 libktnef4 libksane0 libkpimtextedit4 enblend libkimproxy4 libmicroblog4 libimage-exiftool-perl libkipi7 enfuse libhighgui2.1 libkleo4 libcvaux2.1 libmimelib4 libprocesscore4a htdig libprocessui4a libakonadiprivate1 hugin-data libksgrd4 libkpgp4 libqgpgme1 libmailtransport4 libakonadi-kde4 libkabc4 libkresources4 hugin libkpimutils4 libksieve4 libkrossui4 kdegraphics-libs-data libkpimidentities4 libkcal4 libpano13-1 libcv2.1 libkimap4 libkmime4 libakonadi-contact4 libakonadi-kabc4 libkholidays4 akonadi-server libksignalplotter4 kipi-plugins-common libmessagecore4 sqlite3 libakonadi-kcal4 libakonadi-kmime4 kdepimlibs-kio-plugins libkdcraw8 libgpgme++2 hugin-tools libkontactinterface4 Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following packages will be REMOVED: akregator amarok ark cervisia cvsservice digikam digikam-doc dolphin filelight gwenview k3b kaddressbook kappfinder kate kate-plugins kbattleship kcalc kchart kde-window-manager kdebase-apps kdebase-bin kdebase-runtime kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdepasswd kdepim-runtime kdm kfind kgpg khelpcenter4 kipi-plugins klipper kmahjongg kmail kmailcvt kmines knode knotes koffice-libs konq-plugins konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole kontact korganizer kpat krecipes krita kshisen ksudoku ksysguard ktorrent ktouch kweather kwin kwrite libkdepim4 libmessagelist4 libnepomuk4 libnepomukquery4a okular plasma-dataengines-workspace plasma-desktop plasma-netbook plasma-widgets-workspace systemsettings 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 65 to remove and 1 not upgraded. After this operation, 235 MB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
| On 02/20/2011 08:24 AM, Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: | You'll kave to remove all packages with "nepomuk" in their name. I'd also | suggest, you remove all thangs named "*kde4*" and "*plasma*" | | | | I tried that, it was NOT good: | # apt-get remove libnepomuk4 libnepomukquery4a | Reading package lists... Done | Building dependency tree | Reading state information... Done | The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: | libpano13-bin libkldap4 libktnef4 libksane0 libkpimtextedit4 enblend | libkimproxy4 libmicroblog4 libimage-exiftool-perl libkipi7 enfuse | libhighgui2.1 libkleo4 libcvaux2.1 libmimelib4 libprocesscore4a htdig | libprocessui4a libakonadiprivate1 hugin-data libksgrd4 libkpgp4 libqgpgme1 | libmailtransport4 libakonadi-kde4 libkabc4 libkresources4 hugin | libkpimutils4 libksieve4 libkrossui4 kdegraphics-libs-data | libkpimidentities4 libkcal4 libpano13-1 libcv2.1 libkimap4 libkmime4 | libakonadi-contact4 libakonadi-kabc4 libkholidays4 akonadi-server | libksignalplotter4 kipi-plugins-common libmessagecore4 sqlite3 | libakonadi-kcal4 libakonadi-kmime4 kdepimlibs-kio-plugins libkdcraw8 | libgpgme++2 hugin-tools libkontactinterface4 | Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. | The following packages will be REMOVED: | akregator amarok ark cervisia cvsservice digikam digikam-doc dolphin | filelight gwenview k3b kaddressbook kappfinder kate kate-plugins kbattleship | kcalc kchart kde-window-manager kdebase-apps kdebase-bin kdebase-runtime | kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdepasswd kdepim-runtime kdm kfind kgpg | khelpcenter4 kipi-plugins klipper kmahjongg kmail kmailcvt kmines knode | knotes koffice-libs konq-plugins konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole | kontact korganizer kpat krecipes krita kshisen ksudoku ksysguard ktorrent | ktouch kweather kwin kwrite libkdepim4 libmessagelist4 libnepomuk4 | libnepomukquery4a okular plasma-dataengines-workspace plasma-desktop | plasma-netbook plasma-widgets-workspace systemsettings | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 65 to remove and 1 not upgraded. | After this operation, 235 MB disk space will be freed. | Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
Thats OK until you do use KDE4 versions of there softwares. Otherwise you should worry only about removing packagename-kde3 packages.
On 02/20/2011 08:56 AM, Inga Muste wrote:
| The following packages will be REMOVED: | akregator amarok ark cervisia cvsservice digikam digikam-doc dolphin | filelight gwenview k3b kaddressbook kappfinder kate kate-plugins kbattleship | kcalc kchart kde-window-manager kdebase-apps kdebase-bin kdebase-runtime | kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdepasswd kdepim-runtime kdm kfind kgpg | khelpcenter4 kipi-plugins klipper kmahjongg kmail kmailcvt kmines knode | knotes koffice-libs konq-plugins konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole | kontact korganizer kpat krecipes krita kshisen ksudoku ksysguard ktorrent | ktouch kweather kwin kwrite libkdepim4 libmessagelist4 libnepomuk4 | libnepomukquery4a okular plasma-dataengines-workspace plasma-desktop | plasma-netbook plasma-widgets-workspace systemsettings | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 65 to remove and 1 not upgraded. | After this operation, 235 MB disk space will be freed. | Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
Thats OK until you do use KDE4 versions of there softwares. Otherwise you should worry only about removing packagename-kde3 packages.
ahhh, I see: ii akregator 4:4.4.7-3 RSS/Atom feed aggregator ii akregator-trinity 4:3.5.12-0debian7+r1178442 RSS feed aggregator for KDE
but i DO use k3b.. there is no k3b-trinity?
| > | The following packages will be REMOVED: | > | akregator amarok ark cervisia cvsservice digikam digikam-doc dolphin | > | filelight gwenview k3b kaddressbook kappfinder kate kate-plugins kbattleship | > | kcalc kchart kde-window-manager kdebase-apps kdebase-bin kdebase-runtime | > | kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdepasswd kdepim-runtime kdm kfind kgpg | > | khelpcenter4 kipi-plugins klipper kmahjongg kmail kmailcvt kmines knode | > | knotes koffice-libs konq-plugins konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole | > | kontact korganizer kpat krecipes krita kshisen ksudoku ksysguard ktorrent | > | ktouch kweather kwin kwrite libkdepim4 libmessagelist4 libnepomuk4 | > | libnepomukquery4a okular plasma-dataengines-workspace plasma-desktop | > | plasma-netbook plasma-widgets-workspace systemsettings | > | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 65 to remove and 1 not upgraded. | > | After this operation, 235 MB disk space will be freed. | > | Do you want to continue [Y/n]? | > | > Thats OK until you do use KDE4 versions of there softwares. Otherwise you should worry only about removing packagename-kde3 packages. | > | > - | ahhh, I see: | ii akregator | 4:4.4.7-3 RSS/Atom feed aggregator | ii akregator-trinity | 4:3.5.12-0debian7+r1178442 RSS feed aggregator for KDE | | but i DO use k3b.. there is no k3b-trinity?
There should be. For example, the output from my system (Mint10 based on Ubuntu Maverick 10.10):
tokra@MD10 ~ $ apt-cache search k3b k3b - A sophisticated CD/DVD burning application k3b-kde3 - A sophisticated KDE CD burning application [KDE3]
The first one is KDE4's k3b, the k3b-kde3 is from Trinity.
You possibly should install k3b-kde3 or kde3-trinity.
On 02/20/2011 08:56 AM, Inga Muste wrote:
| The following packages will be REMOVED: | akregator amarok ark cervisia cvsservice digikam digikam-doc dolphin | filelight gwenview k3b kaddressbook kappfinder kate kate-plugins kbattleship | kcalc kchart kde-window-manager kdebase-apps kdebase-bin kdebase-runtime | kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdepasswd kdepim-runtime kdm kfind kgpg | khelpcenter4 kipi-plugins klipper kmahjongg kmail kmailcvt kmines knode | knotes koffice-libs konq-plugins konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole | kontact korganizer kpat krecipes krita kshisen ksudoku ksysguard ktorrent | ktouch kweather kwin kwrite libkdepim4 libmessagelist4 libnepomuk4 | libnepomukquery4a okular plasma-dataengines-workspace plasma-desktop | plasma-netbook plasma-widgets-workspace systemsettings | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 65 to remove and 1 not upgraded. | After this operation, 235 MB disk space will be freed. | Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
Thats OK until you do use KDE4 versions of there softwares. Otherwise you should worry only about removing packagename-kde3 packages.
wait, I also use digikam, so I need k3b & digilam. Can I just reinstall them? will it also bring in a bunch more cruft?
It depends of what you really use: KDE4 (default) or KDE3 (Trinity).
| wait, I also use digikam, so I need k3b & digilam. Can I just reinstall | them? will it also bring in a bunch more cruft?
On 02/20/2011 09:16 AM, Inga Muste wrote:
It depends of what you really use: KDE4 (default) or KDE3 (Trinity).
| wait, I also use digikam, so I need k3b& digilam. Can I just reinstall | them? will it also bring in a bunch more cruft?
I use gnome, but my wife uses kde-trinity. She uses the kde3 desktop, always has. She also uses kmail, and iceweasel. I don't want anything KDE4 on my system and I want a full KDE3 desktop set of apps.
On Sunday 20 February 2011 05:22:51 am Paul Cartwright wrote:
On 02/20/2011 09:16 AM, Inga Muste wrote:
It depends of what you really use: KDE4 (default) or KDE3 (Trinity).
| wait, I also use digikam, so I need k3b& digilam. Can I just | reinstall them? will it also bring in a bunch more cruft?
I use gnome, but my wife uses kde-trinity. She uses the kde3 desktop, always has. She also uses kmail, and iceweasel. I don't want anything KDE4 on my system and I want a full KDE3 desktop set of apps.
Well you obviously installed kde4 <something>. KDE3 Trinity packages all have the 'trinity' name appended. No reason you can't have Gnome & Trinity installed on the same machine, I think that is what you mean. You might find that running a Trinity app from Gnome has some minor issues.
On Sunday 20 February 2011 15:50:38 Greg Madden wrote:
On Sunday 20 February 2011 05:22:51 am Paul Cartwright wrote:
On 02/20/2011 09:16 AM, Inga Muste wrote:
It depends of what you really use: KDE4 (default) or KDE3 (Trinity).
| wait, I also use digikam, so I need k3b& digilam. Can I just | reinstall them? will it also bring in a bunch more cruft?
I use gnome, but my wife uses kde-trinity. She uses the kde3 desktop, always has. She also uses kmail, and iceweasel. I don't want anything KDE4 on my system and I want a full KDE3 desktop set of apps.
Well you obviously installed kde4 <something>.
I don't agree. I have just recently installed Squeeze with Trinity. I took extreme care not to install _anything_ of KDE4, since I knew that it was apt to get its claws in, and did not want to have to remove it - with the kind of problems that Paul is experiencing. I did not install Gnome either.
I have a fair amount of KDE4 cruft which I shall have to remove. Something clearly dragged it in, or it piggy-backed on something - for my money the second is more likely.
Lisi
On Sun February 20 2011 08:22:33 Lisi wrote:
I have a fair amount of KDE4 cruft which I shall have to remove. Something clearly dragged it in, or it piggy-backed on something - for my money the second is more likely.
It seems that installing Trinity in Squeeze in the default manner brings in some of KDE4. Not through Depends but through Recommends. You could consider "apt-get --no-install-recommends install ...".
You can get a idea of what KDE4 components you have installed using "dpkg -l | grep '4:4.4'". Although not perfect it's quick and easy.
If you find e.g. kdefoo installed you can ask "aptitude why kdefoo". If the KDE4 packages are only recommended you can remove them.
--Mike Bird
On 02/20/2011 11:33 AM, Mike Bird wrote:
It seems that installing Trinity in Squeeze in the default manner brings in some of KDE4. Not through Depends but through Recommends. You could consider "apt-get --no-install-recommends install ...".
when I ran it ( install digikam-trinity) I got: Suggested packages: digikam-trinity-doc k3b-extrathemes toolame djvulibre-bin icoutils kipi-plugins-trinity-doc
You can get a idea of what KDE4 components you have installed using "dpkg -l | grep '4:4.4'". Although not perfect it's quick and easy.
# dpkg -l | grep '4:4.4'|grep ii|wc -l 63
If you find e.g. kdefoo installed you can ask "aptitude why kdefoo". If the KDE4 packages are only recommended you can remove them.
see above, 63 packages..
On Sunday 20 February 2011 07:33:40 am Mike Bird wrote:
On Sun February 20 2011 08:22:33 Lisi wrote:
I have a fair amount of KDE4 cruft which I shall have to remove. Something clearly dragged it in, or it piggy-backed on something - for my money the second is more likely.
It seems that installing Trinity in Squeeze in the default manner brings in some of KDE4. Not through Depends but through Recommends. You could consider "apt-get --no-install-recommends install ...".
snip
I can see that it appears that some kde4 can get installed with Trinity. I use dselect to manage my systems and recommends where easy? to avoid.
I do use okular from kde4 though, it loaded lots of kde4 libs and such, doesn't seem to affect Trinity.
On 02/20/2011 02:33 PM, Greg Madden wrote:
I can see that it appears that some kde4 can get installed with Trinity. I use dselect to manage my systems and recommends where easy? to avoid.
I am sorta more used to synaptic, or apt-get. apt-get when I know what I want, synaptic to look around & compare..
I do use okular from kde4 though, it loaded lots of kde4 libs and such, doesn't seem to affect Trinity.
oh yes, i DO like Okular. I tried it once when adobe reader bombed on a file, and went with it ever since.
Am Sonntag, 20. Februar 2011 schrieb Lisi:
On Sunday 20 February 2011 15:50:38 Greg Madden wrote:
On Sunday 20 February 2011 05:22:51 am Paul Cartwright wrote:
On 02/20/2011 09:16 AM, Inga Muste wrote:
It depends of what you really use: KDE4 (default) or KDE3 (Trinity).
| wait, I also use digikam, so I need k3b& digilam. Can I just | reinstall them? will it also bring in a bunch more cruft?
I use gnome, but my wife uses kde-trinity. She uses the kde3 desktop, always has. She also uses kmail, and iceweasel. I don't want anything KDE4 on my system and I want a full KDE3 desktop set of apps.
Well you obviously installed kde4 <something>.
I don't agree. I have just recently installed Squeeze with Trinity. I took extreme care not to install _anything_ of KDE4, since I knew that it was apt to get its claws in, and did not want to have to remove it - with the kind of problems that Paul is experiencing. I did not install Gnome either.
I have a fair amount of KDE4 cruft which I shall have to remove. Something clearly dragged it in, or it piggy-backed on something - for my money the second is more likely.
It's a pitty to say, but on squeze not all kde4 packages carry a *kde4* in their name. e.g.: plasma-* libnepomuk* shared-desktop-ontologies strigi-* by some unknown reason even installation of trinity can cause some kde4 packages to be reinstalled. Anyway, getting rid of that stuff is easy and once you've done it it stays away :-)
nik
On 02/20/2011 11:41 AM, Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
It's a pitty to say, but on squeze not all kde4 packages carry a *kde4* in their name. e.g.: plasma-* libnepomuk* shared-desktop-ontologies strigi-* by some unknown reason even installation of trinity can cause some kde4 packages to be reinstalled. Anyway, getting rid of that stuff is easy and once you've done it it stays away:-)
so, tell me the easy way to get RID of anything kde4 ?
Am Sonntag, 20. Februar 2011 schrieb Paul Cartwright:
On 02/20/2011 11:41 AM, Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
It's a pitty to say, but on squeze not all kde4 packages carry a *kde4* in their name. e.g.: plasma-* libnepomuk* shared-desktop-ontologies strigi-* by some unknown reason even installation of trinity can cause some kde4 packages to be reinstalled. Anyway, getting rid of that stuff is easy and once you've done it it stays away:-)
so, tell me the easy way to get RID of anything kde4 ?
this is what I did - but it's not for the faint hearted:
# apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}'|grep '^plasma-') # apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}'|grep '^libnepomuk-') # apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}'|grep '^strigi-') # apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}'|grep '^kde4-')
Now each of this lines gives you a bunch of packages, that will also be removed. Keep an eye on them, there might be some packages you'd like and need to reinstall later from trinity repository.
But first check, that you get synaptic running :-)
On 02/20/2011 02:05 PM, Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
so, tell me the easy way to get RID of anything kde4 ?
this is what I did - but it's not for the faint hearted:
# apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}'|grep '^plasma-')
that one also wanted to get rid of k3b* k3b-i18n* kdebase-runtime* , but that is FINE, because it left k3b-trinity.
# apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}'|grep '^libnepomuk-')
also that got rid of some virtuoso packages..
# apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}'|grep '^strigi-')
nice!
# apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}'|grep '^kde4-')
# apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}'|grep '^kde4-') Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
Now each of this lines gives you a bunch of packages, that will also be removed. Keep an eye on them, there might be some packages you'd like and need to reinstall later from trinity repository.
But first check, that you get synaptic running:-)
as normal user, it now works.. weird, and it asks for the user password, NOT root..
Am Sonntag, 20. Februar 2011 schrieb Paul Cartwright:
On 02/20/2011 02:05 PM, Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
so, tell me the easy way to get RID of anything kde4 ?
this is what I did - but it's not for the faint hearted:
# apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}'|grep '^plasma-')
that one also wanted to get rid of k3b* k3b-i18n* kdebase-runtime* , but that is FINE, because it left k3b-trinity.
# apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}'|grep '^libnepomuk-')
also that got rid of some virtuoso packages..
# apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}'|grep '^strigi-')
nice!
# apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}'|grep '^kde4-')
# apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}'|grep '^kde4-') Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
Now each of this lines gives you a bunch of packages, that will also be removed. Keep an eye on them, there might be some packages you'd like and need to reinstall later from trinity repository.
But first check, that you get synaptic running:-)
as normal user, it now works.. weird, and it asks for the user password, NOT root..
as far as I can tell, it's because it uses sudo, not su, and sudo want's the users password :-)
i'm courious, what's your display id now and why does it keep changing? constantly?
nik
On 02/20/2011 02:37 PM, Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
as far as I can tell, it's because it uses sudo, not su, and sudo want's the users password:-)
that is possible!
i'm courious, what's your display id now and why does it keep changing? constantly?
on the 18th/19th my system got really screwed up... don't even ask.. that is when it wouldn't run X & I did my squeeze upgrade.. I don't think it changes on a regular basis.. we stay logged in usually, unless I have to reboot which....isn't...often.
On 20/02/11 19:05, Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Sonntag, 20. Februar 2011 schrieb Paul Cartwright:
On 02/20/2011 11:41 AM, Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
It's a pitty to say, but on squeze not all kde4 packages carry a *kde4* in their name. e.g.: plasma-* libnepomuk* shared-desktop-ontologies strigi-* by some unknown reason even installation of trinity can cause some kde4 packages to be reinstalled. Anyway, getting rid of that stuff is easy and once you've done it it stays away:-)
Absolute zero kde4 apps here except... One qt4 lib...I know exactly what and why (wpa_gui).
I do however have a "trinity minimal install" as I posted in the forum. At least I know, from my package list (also posted there), what does not pull in any kde4 or qt4. I use apt-get defaults which as far as I know installs recommends.
If you installed ocular that's probably the culprit.
You should probably at least use "apt-get install xyx --no-install-recommends -s" and watch carefully what would happen for any kde4 stuff
Some more ways to sniff out kde4 :
dpkg -l|grep kde|grep -v trinity dpkg -l | grep qt4
On 02/20/2011 07:50 AM, Paul Cartwright wrote:
On 02/20/2011 08:24 AM, Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
You'll kave to remove all packages with "nepomuk" in their name. I'd also suggest, you remove all thangs named "*kde4*" and "*plasma*"
I tried that, it was NOT good: # apt-get remove libnepomuk4 libnepomukquery4a Reading package lists... Done
<snip>
-- Paul Cartwright
This is an *autostart* issue. I don't know where deb put the kde4 autostart stuff, but on most distros it is in /usr/share/autostart. Nepomuk/Akonadi is just as bad as SuSE's implementation of Beagle. (concept is good, useful implementation is years away) Regardless of the merits, I don't want either running in my Trinity install. (If I can't remember where I stored something -- shame on me -- use find....)
To avoid starting all the kde4 garbage, just move the files you don't want to run out of /usr/share/autostart. eg:
22:15 archangel:~/arch/tpkg> l /usr/share/autostart/ total 128 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Feb 10 16:51 . drwxr-xr-x 418 root root 12288 Feb 19 02:37 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4417 Jan 27 08:47 kaddressbookmigrator.desktop -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3649 Jan 27 08:46 kalarm.autostart.desktop -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6539 Jan 18 15:24 kgpg.desktop -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 11509 Jan 19 16:04 klipper.desktop -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4196 Jan 19 16:23 kmix_autostart.desktop -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6638 Jan 19 16:03 konqy_preload.desktop -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5846 Jan 27 08:46 korgac.desktop -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2881 Jan 19 16:04 krunner.desktop -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 13602 Jan 19 16:04 kwrited-autostart.desktop -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10584 Jan 19 16:04 nepomukserver.desktop -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3710 Jan 19 16:05 plasma-desktop.desktop -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 28 Jan 19 16:05 plasma.desktop -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 908 Dec 9 02:50 polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1.desktop -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6000 Jan 18 15:24 printer-applet.desktop -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3506 Jan 19 16:23 restore_kmix_volumes.desktop
Just get rid of (move somewhere) all the nepomuk, plasma, etc.. autostart .desktop files.
We really have got to find a standard way to tell Trinity to ignore this stuff. On my Trinity installs where kde4 is also installed, I get the kde4 plasma-panel loaded over the trinity kicker - in addition to all the akonadi/nepomuk stuff.
I haven't had time to investigate, but I suspect Xstartup (or some similar file) sources the autostart dir -or- trinity somehow reads the /var/tmp/kdecache-$USER/ksycoca4. Dunno how or why yet, but those are my *guesses*.
On 02/20/2011 04:03 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
To avoid starting all the kde4 garbage, just move the files you don't want to run out of /usr/share/autostart. eg:
# cd /usr/share/autostart # ls kab2kabc.desktop
they must all be removed:)
Just get rid of (move somewhere) all the nepomuk, plasma, etc.. autostart .desktop files.
We really have got to find a standard way to tell Trinity to ignore this stuff. On my Trinity installs where kde4 is also installed, I get the kde4 plasma-panel loaded over the trinity kicker - in addition to all the akonadi/nepomuk stuff.
+1 that would be a REALLY GOOD THING
On Sunday 20 February 2011 12:03:46 pm David C. Rankin wrote:
On 02/20/2011 07:50 AM, Paul Cartwright wrote:
On 02/20/2011 08:24 AM, Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
You'll kave to remove all packages with "nepomuk" in their name. I'd also suggest, you remove all thangs named "*kde4*" and "*plasma*"
I tried that, it was NOT good: # apt-get remove libnepomuk4 libnepomukquery4a Reading package lists... Done
<snip>
-- Paul Cartwright
This is an *autostart* issue. I don't know where deb put the kde4 autostart stuff, but on most distros it is in /usr/share/autostart. Nepomuk/Akonadi is just as bad as SuSE's implementation of Beagle. (concept is good, useful implementation is years away) Regardless of the merits, I don't want either running in my Trinity install. (If I can't remember where I stored something -- shame on me -- use find....)
To avoid starting all the kde4 garbage, just move the files you don't want to run out of /usr/share/autostart. eg:
I am confused, Trinity uses /opt/trinity/share/autostart/, I think the issue is not wanting kde4 stuff installed and where does it come from, if Trinity (Gnome) only is installed. Someone suggested it is recommends, if that is true, Trinity packages should be corrected to not recommend kde4 stuff?
On 02/20/2011 03:30 PM, Greg Madden wrote:
I am confused, Trinity uses /opt/trinity/share/autostart/, I think the issue is not wanting kde4 stuff installed and where does it come from, if Trinity (Gnome) only is installed. Someone suggested it is recommends, if that is true, Trinity packages should be corrected to not recommend kde4 stuff?
Greg,
Your right. I think the answer may lie in files that required the kde4-runtime-base. I have trinity in /opt/trinity so I don't know why it looks in /usr/share/autostart. The 3 *guesses* I have are:
(1) Xstartup (or something like it checks there)
(2) Trinity looks in /var/tmp/kdecache-$USER and read ksyscoca4 for some reason that causes /usr/share/autostart to be read; or
(3) Any kde app that relies on the kde4-runtime triggers a read of /usr/share/autostart.
I know somebody smarter than me knows a way to look at the calls made during Trinity start and figure out what does it. But I agree, Trinity needs to be able to run without invoking the kde4 startup files.
The 800 lb. gorilla in the room is if it is the result of any app built against the kde4 runtime doing it. I don't know how we would solve this one... I'll leave that to the smart guys :)
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