So, before trying the correct method (which is strangely made difficult by my maching now refusing to boot from USB for no reason I can find), I thought I would try to switch to Debian via a strange recipe that probably won't work:
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/344408/migrate-from-ubuntu-to-debia...
Problem is the Debian pubkey, which does not exist on my machine. The keyring stuff in the recipe does not, best I can tell, resemble current reality. Of course, without it the whole apt-get business explodes in a cloud of unsignedness.
Anybody know where I can get the Debian pubkey?
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On 9/12/24 4:55 PM, dep via tde-users wrote:
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/344408/migrate-from-ubuntu-to-debia...
Problem is the Debian pubkey, which does not exist on my machine. The
keyring stuff in the recipe does not, best I can tell, resemble current reality. Of course, without it the whole apt-get business explodes in a cloud of unsignedness.
Anybody know where I can get the Debian pubkey?
I'm seeing both keyrings there on packages.debian.org. You have to manually download from there and install, per the instructions on that page. That may not be clear if you're not accustomed to the process.
said Dan Youngquist via tde-users:
| I'm seeing both keyrings there on packages.debian.org. You have to | manually download from there and install, per the instructions on that | page. That may not be clear if you're not accustomed to the process.
Problem is . . . code/ dep@dep-desktop:~$ sudo apt install debian-keyring Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done debian-keyring is already the newest version (2020.03.24). 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 80 not upgraded. /code
Same thing with keyring archive. But . . .
code/ W: GPG error: http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 0E98404D386FA1D9 NO_PUBKEY 6ED0E7B82643E131 E: The repository 'http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates InRelease' is not signed. N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default. N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details. E: The repository 'http://deb.debian.org/debian bookwormmain Release' does not have a Release file. N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default. N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details. E: The repository 'http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bookwormsecurity Release' does not have a Release file. N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default. N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details. /code
Trying to dig out of it.
On 9/12/24 6:10 PM, dep via tde-users wrote:
Problem is . . . code/ dep@dep-desktop:~$ sudo apt install debian-keyring Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done debian-keyring is already the newest version (2020.03.24). 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 80 not upgraded. /code
You're trying to install them with apt. You may have missed the instructions on that page to manually download and install them:
"Manually install debian keyrings from packages.debian.org (search debian-keyring and debian-archive-keyring packages, get the download link, wget it and do dpkg -i debian-*.deb on the machine."
said Dan Youngquist via tde-users:
| You're trying to install them with apt. You may have missed the | instructions on that page to manually download and install them: | | "Manually install debian keyrings from packages.debian.org (search | debian-keyring and debian-archive-keyring packages, get the download | link, wget it and do dpkg -i debian-*.deb on the machine."
Thanks -- still puzzled by the wget aspect -- thought that was merely another way to get a package. anyway, that, done like that, seems to have done the trick. Still a lot of stuff blowing up, but I suppose I can sort through that. If not, I may never be heard from again. Don't everyone applaud at once.
On Thursday 12 September 2024 19:37:35 dep via tde-users wrote:
said Dan Youngquist via tde-users: | You're trying to install them with apt. You may have missed the | instructions on that page to manually download and install them: | | "Manually install debian keyrings from packages.debian.org (search | debian-keyring and debian-archive-keyring packages, get the download | link, wget it and do dpkg -i debian-*.deb on the machine."
Thanks -- still puzzled by the wget aspect -- thought that was merely another way to get a package. anyway, that, done like that, seems to have done the trick. Still a lot of stuff blowing up, but I suppose I can sort through that. If not, I may never be heard from again. Don't everyone applaud at once.
My own recommendation (and others may disagree): If you are the sole user on your machine(s), don't have to act as admin for others, then save yourself a world of hurt by (ticking YES) to enable shadow passwords, and (ticking NO) not to enable login as root.
On Debian-type machines, this caused me problems which delayed my own migration over to Debian. And now at last I have settled on Devuan, at least for the moment, but that is another matter.
Bill
On Thursday 12 September 2024 16:55:51 dep via tde-users wrote:
So, before trying the correct method (which is strangely made difficult by my maching now refusing to boot from USB for no reason I can find), I thought I would try to switch to Debian via a strange recipe that probably won't work:
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/344408/migrate-from-ubuntu-to-debi an-and-take-the-application-data-along
Problem is the Debian pubkey, which does not exist on my machine. The keyring stuff in the recipe does not, best I can tell, resemble current reality. Of course, without it the whole apt-get business explodes in a cloud of unsignedness.
Anybody know where I can get the Debian pubkey?
dep
I don't know what you mean about not booting from USB; maybe you need to change your bios settings to enable that. Or perhaps you refer to something else?
In any case, on the other matter, about the public key for Debian (or any other repositories): You can circumvent this obstacle like so:
sudo apt-get -o Acquire::AllowInsecureRepositories=true update
Or, if installing, etc.,
sudo apt-get -o Acquire::AllowInsecureRepositories=true install
The same goes for other apt-get commands. However ... as I am sure some here will be quick to tell you, get the valid keyrings ASAP, as you don't want to make a habit of doing this. It is just a temporary workaround.
I hope this helps.
Bill
Anno domini 2024 Thu, 12 Sep 23:55:51 +0000 dep via tde-users scripsit:
So, before trying the correct method (which is strangely made difficult by my maching now refusing to boot from USB for no reason I can find), I thought I would try to switch to Debian via a strange recipe that probably won't work:
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/344408/migrate-from-ubuntu-to-debia...
That's an interesing way to make yourself a busy day. Reason_ in contrast to e.g. FreeBSD the sysadmin tools on linux are not available in a static linked version, You may end up cutting the branch you sit on (and yes, it happened to me).
I assume you have made a full backup of your users data?
Nik
Problem is the Debian pubkey, which does not exist on my machine. The keyring stuff in the recipe does not, best I can tell, resemble current reality. Of course, without it the whole apt-get business explodes in a cloud of unsignedness.
Anybody know where I can get the Debian pubkey?
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First, thanks for everybody's help. I can now say pretty confidently that the cute recipe I linked earlier doesn't work. So it was install from scratch. Which, as it turns out, is fine once one gets past the exceptionally flaky Debian partitioning page. It read *almost* everything correctly. What it got wrong was the / partition, which was ext4 but it insisted was EFI. I finally prevailed upon it and things proceeded nicely, and in due course I was at a Plasma login, because I know it *a little*. The Debians, perhaps to punish Miguel de Icaza for leaving the church, no longer ship mc by default. There ought to be a severe punishment for this. Also for getting rid of the "shutdown" command. I do not care if it is kludgy, I have been using it t for almost 26 years and am/was happy with it.
The punishment I meted out was immediately adding the TDE repo to /etc/sources.list and installing TDE -- yes, this time I got the key ahead of time. I was unsurprised that many applications are not on the new desktop; I'll be adding them over the next ine to five years as I discover their absence. (Also gone by default was anything having to do with "sudo," which takes me back to the last millennium.)
Happy to report that all userdata and configurations, afaik, survived undamaged.
Yes, Nik, I have two full backups of the entire boot drive with /home on the machine. Grub, when it grubbing, even found one of 'em, and I expect that it will be helpful in the coming days. Was and am annoyed that it found and connected to my router without ever asking me for the password. This leads me to think there will be trouble ahead when I set up the VPN.
So I am Ubuntu-free, except for the backups and the dinky GPD Pocket machine; I might fiddle with that at some point.
Again, thanks for everybody's help. The world could really use an application that switches from one distribution to another. (I think it would be just as popular if it were only Ubuntu to something else; that's the way the current is flowing, what with Ubuntu holding upgrades hostage and its snap nonsense. Screw 'em.)
TDE is a *great* desktop; but its greatest aspect is its users, who are unfailingly helpful, patient, and kind.
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-------- Original Message -------- On 9/13/24 02:00, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users users@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
Anno domini 2024 Thu, 12 Sep 23:55:51 +0000 dep via tde-users scripsit:
So, before trying the correct method (which is strangely made difficult by my maching now refusing to boot from USB for no reason I can find), I thought I would try to switch to Debian via a strange recipe that probably won't work:
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/344408/migrate-from-ubuntu-to-debia...
That's an interesing way to make yourself a busy day. Reason_ in contrast to e.g. FreeBSD the sysadmin tools on linux are not available in a static linked version, You may end up cutting the branch you sit on (and yes, it happened to me).
I assume you have made a full backup of your users data?
Nik
Problem is the Debian pubkey, which does not exist on my machine. The keyring stuff in the recipe does not, best I can tell, resemble current reality. Of course, without it the whole apt-get business explodes in a cloud of unsignedness.
Anybody know where I can get the Debian pubkey?
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On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 06:53:30 +0000, dep via tde-users wrote:
Again, thanks for everybody's help. TDE is a *great* desktop; but its greatest aspect is its users, who are unfailingly helpful, patient, and kind.
+1 !
I couldn't agree more! The recent help I got here in bringing up a new computer for the first time in *8 years* was all that and more.
I rarely post -- in fact it had been so long I lost whatever posting credentials I did have from the past. However I lurk intently. :-) I have picked up soooo much in the way of skills just by listening in on many of the conversations here.
A heart-felt thanks to all of you! Jonesy
On Friday 13 September 2024 06:38:03 Jonesy via tde-users wrote:
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 06:53:30 +0000, dep via tde-users wrote:
Again, thanks for everybody's help. TDE is a *great* desktop; but its greatest aspect is its users, who are unfailingly helpful, patient, and kind.
+1 !
I couldn't agree more! The recent help I got here in bringing up a new computer for the first time in *8 years* was all that and more.
I rarely post -- in fact it had been so long I lost whatever posting credentials I did have from the past. However I lurk intently. :-) I have picked up soooo much in the way of skills just by listening in on many of the conversations here.
A heart-felt thanks to all of you! Jonesy
+++++
As a congenitally non-technical person (more concerned with the written word and music than machines), I can testify to that.
In the ten years plus that I have been part of the mailing list, I have gone from being an utter n00b to being able to pass for something of an uber geek in mixed company.
Obviously, I still can't write code or anything like that, but I know enough to survive in an increasingly technical universe, and nowadays can do things with my machines that before I never could have imagined even in my wildest fantasies.
Thanks to all!
Bill
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 08:00:59 +0200 "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users" users@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
Reason_ in contrast to e.g. FreeBSD the sysadmin tools on linux are not available in a static linked version,
Technically you can compile enough of a Linux system with static linking to make a reasonable rescue platform (Gentoo marks sysvinit, busybox, several shells, nano, several disk-mounting tools like LVM, and so on, as static-linkable). It's just that no one does so as part of a standard distribution.
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