Hi All,
What’s everyones favorite front end for KVM? I’m looking to use KVM for several VMs (Win, CentOS6, CentOS7) and was looking for something a bit easier to start out on than raw virt-manager.
Host OS: MX Linux 18 [Foundation, Debian Stable 9.6 (Stretch)] Desktop: TDE 14.0.6
Thanks, Michael
PS: This was my original question, before I realized, asking about a front end was a better choice. Pretty much only applicable if someone here has used, and liked, Boxes...
Was: Figuring out Gnome dependencies?
I haven’t used Gnome in more than a decade. I found this Gnome app I’d like to try out:
Boxes, Virtualization made simple https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Boxes https://www.openhub.net/p/gnome-boxes
and was wondering how to A) find out what its dependencies are and B) how to actually install it.
A side excursion, trying to figure out B), lead me to Flatpak[1]. I’ve never heard of it before, anyone have any experience or opinions on it?
Mostly I don’t want to end up installing most of Gnome just to try out an app.
On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 13:51:54 -0500 Michael mb_trinity_desktop@inet-design.com wrote:
What’s everyones favorite front end for KVM? I’m looking to use KVM for several VMs (Win, CentOS6, CentOS7) and was looking for something a bit easier to start out on than raw virt-manager.
I ended up running raw qemu after not being able to get several front-ends to work properly (I know I tried aqemu, probably gkvm, possibly virtualbricks). None of the ones I tried was self-explanatory, and I figured that if I was going to have to read a bunch of documentation anyway, I might as well drop back to the command line and be assured of full control.
If you want easy virtualization from a GUI, your best bet is VirtualBox.
PS: This was my original question, before I realized, asking about a front end was a better choice. Pretty much only applicable if someone here has used, and liked, Boxes...
Was: Figuring out Gnome dependencies?
I haven’t used Gnome in more than a decade. I found this Gnome app I’d like to try out:
Boxes, Virtualization made simple https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Boxes https://www.openhub.net/p/gnome-boxes
and was wondering how to A) find out what its dependencies are and B) how to actually install it.
The dependencies list for this program is more than 20 packages long and includes GTK3 stuff, Webkit, Vala stuff, polkit, qemu, libvirt, Spice, and a few other odds and ends. Interestingly, it doesn't seem to want much of Gnome, just gconf, gnome-common, and one or two other bits that might be optional.
A side excursion, trying to figure out B), lead me to Flatpak[1]. I’ve never heard of it before, anyone have any experience or opinions on it?
Moderately risky, since it bypasses your distro's gatekeepers and installs software not vetted by them. Not innately evil, but avoid if possible, like the other multi-distro installer "solutions".
E. Liddell
Anno domini 2019 Tue, 3 Sep 21:24:37 -0400 E. Liddell scripsit:
On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 13:51:54 -0500 Michael mb_trinity_desktop@inet-design.com wrote:
What’s everyones favorite front end for KVM? I’m looking to use KVM for several VMs (Win, CentOS6, CentOS7) and was looking for something a bit easier to start out on than raw virt-manager.
I ended up running raw qemu after not being able to get several front-ends to work properly (I know I tried aqemu, probably gkvm, possibly virtualbricks). None of the ones I tried was self-explanatory, and I figured that if I was going to have to read a bunch of documentation anyway, I might as well drop back to the command line and be assured of full control.
If you want easy virtualization from a GUI, your best bet is VirtualBox.
I currently have virt-manager in use. Not that I like it much, nut it kind of works.
Nik
PS: This was my original question, before I realized, asking about a front end was a better choice. Pretty much only applicable if someone here has used, and liked, Boxes...
Was: Figuring out Gnome dependencies?
I haven’t used Gnome in more than a decade. I found this Gnome app I’d like to try out:
Boxes, Virtualization made simple https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Boxes https://www.openhub.net/p/gnome-boxes
and was wondering how to A) find out what its dependencies are and B) how to actually install it.
The dependencies list for this program is more than 20 packages long and includes GTK3 stuff, Webkit, Vala stuff, polkit, qemu, libvirt, Spice, and a few other odds and ends. Interestingly, it doesn't seem to want much of Gnome, just gconf, gnome-common, and one or two other bits that might be optional.
A side excursion, trying to figure out B), lead me to Flatpak[1]. I’ve never heard of it before, anyone have any experience or opinions on it?
Moderately risky, since it bypasses your distro's gatekeepers and installs software not vetted by them. Not innately evil, but avoid if possible, like the other multi-distro installer "solutions".
E. Liddell
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Michael wrote:
What’s everyones favorite front end for KVM? I’m looking to use KVM for several VMs (Win, CentOS6, CentOS7) and was looking for something a bit easier to start out on than raw virt-manager.
I did one project with lxc and ansible for the configuration/management. It worked quite well. No idea if it helps you and I don't know how win works with lxc - if at all.
regards
On 09/03/2019 01:51 PM, Michael wrote:
Hi All,
What’s everyones favorite front end for KVM? I’m looking to use KVM for several VMs (Win, CentOS6, CentOS7) and was looking for something a bit easier to start out on than raw virt-manager.
Unless you just want to learn raw qemu or use virt-manager (workable, but a bit awkward), then VirtualBox is the key. It uses qemu (and can use several other backends) It can generate the raw qemu commands if you like.
There is just no comparison. The whole crux of the issue behind VirtualBox was to wrap qemu in a sane gui that most people could configure without more than reading a howto. I've tried them all and usually have 6-10 guest running headless on multiple servers. By my comparison, it is the way to go.
I did use virt-manager (just to do it) and had no issue getting a working Arch guest going on an Arch host, but it just hasn't had the amount of development that Oracle put into vbox. Try them all, but I suspect I know where you will end up.... With the virtualbox-oracle-extensions providing USB to your guests, it is hard to beat...
Anno domini 2019 Thu, 5 Sep 01:08:44 -0500 David C. Rankin scripsit:
On 09/03/2019 01:51 PM, Michael wrote:
Hi All,
What’s everyones favorite front end for KVM? I’m looking to use KVM for several VMs (Win, CentOS6, CentOS7) and was looking for something a bit easier to start out on than raw virt-manager.
Unless you just want to learn raw qemu or use virt-manager (workable, but a bit awkward), then VirtualBox is the key. It uses qemu (and can use several other backends) It can generate the raw qemu commands if you like.
There is just no comparison. The whole crux of the issue behind VirtualBox was to wrap qemu in a sane gui that most people could configure without more than reading a howto. I've tried them all and usually have 6-10 guest running headless on multiple servers. By my comparison, it is the way to go.
I did use virt-manager (just to do it) and had no issue getting a working Arch guest going on an Arch host, but it just hasn't had the amount of development that Oracle put into vbox. Try them all, but I suspect I know where you will end up.... With the virtualbox-oracle-extensions providing USB to your guests, it is hard to beat...
VirtualBox is not available for beowulf/buster - that's why I have to use virt-manager :( BTW, do you know how to set the screen resolution to 1024x768 in virt-manager?
Nik
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
VirtualBox is not available for beowulf/buster - that's why I have to use virt-manager :( BTW, do you know how to set the screen resolution to 1024x768 in virt-manager?
I don't know about you, but I see here it says "Debian 10"
VirtualBox 6.0.12 for Linux
Ubuntu 18.04 / 18.10 / 19.04 / Debian 10
https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
regards
Anno domini 2019 Thu, 05 Sep 22:46:09 +0200 deloptes scripsit:
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
VirtualBox is not available for beowulf/buster - that's why I have to use virt-manager :( BTW, do you know how to set the screen resolution to 1024x768 in virt-manager?
I don't know about you, but I see here it says "Debian 10"
VirtualBox 6.0.12 for Linux
Ubuntu 18.04 / 18.10 / 19.04 / Debian 10https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
regards
Yes, but it used to be in the devuan/debian repositories. If I recall correctly, there has been a problem with upstream, but I do not wemember what it was and if it's solved now.
Nik
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Yes, but it used to be in the devuan/debian repositories. If I recall correctly, there has been a problem with upstream, but I do not wemember what it was and if it's solved now.
I usually download and install the debian package from there - it works like a charm! No need to wait for including it in the debian/devuan repo
On 09/05/2019 01:48 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2019 Thu, 5 Sep 01:08:44 -0500
VirtualBox is not available for beowulf/buster - that's why I have to use virt-manager :( BTW, do you know how to set the screen resolution to 1024x768 in virt-manager?
Nik
Not off the top of my head, but:
virt-manager guest resize not working https://stackoverflow.com/questions/41990600/virt-manager-guest-resize-not-w...
looks promising :)
Also deloptes posted the link to the virtualbox downloads. I would be surprised if they didn't have one for your distro. I have used the suse rpms from virtualbox.org for years and I build the AUR virtualbox-5 package for Arch. If you don't have one for buster, then you can always use the generic package.
David C. Rankin wrote:
There is just no comparison. The whole crux of the issue behind VirtualBox was to wrap qemu in a sane gui that most people could configure without more than reading a howto. I've tried them all and usually have 6-10 guest running headless on multiple servers. By my comparison, it is the way to go.
+1 I did not try them all but also run what I need headless
I did use virt-manager (just to do it) and had no issue getting a working Arch guest going on an Arch host, but it just hasn't had the amount of development that Oracle put into vbox. Try them all, but I suspect I know where you will end up.... With the virtualbox-oracle-extensions providing USB to your guests, it is hard to beat...
On Tuesday 03 of September 2019 20:51:54 Michael wrote:
Hi All,
What’s everyones favorite front end for KVM? I’m looking to use KVM for several VMs (Win, CentOS6, CentOS7) and was looking for something a bit easier to start out on than raw virt-manager.
Host OS: MX Linux 18 [Foundation, Debian Stable 9.6 (Stretch)] Desktop: TDE 14.0.6
Thanks, Michael
PS: This was my original question, before I realized, asking about a front end was a better choice. Pretty much only applicable if someone here has used, and liked, Boxes...
Was: Figuring out Gnome dependencies?
I haven’t used Gnome in more than a decade. I found this Gnome app I’d like to try out:
Boxes, Virtualization made simple https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Boxes https://www.openhub.net/p/gnome-boxes
and was wondering how to A) find out what its dependencies are and B) how to actually install it.
A side excursion, trying to figure out B), lead me to Flatpak[1]. I’ve never heard of it before, anyone have any experience or opinions on it?
Mostly I don’t want to end up installing most of Gnome just to try out an app.
Hi,
my favorite KVM frontend is libvirt == virsh used in cli :)
The advantage is that it is the same base, which is used also by other tools like virt-top, virt-manager, WebVirtCloud, OpenNebula and of course OpenStack.
Cheers
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