30 Dec
2020
30 Dec
'20
10:08 p.m.
Hi everyone.
Unfortunately, I was forced to remove my installation of
Trinity/PCLinuxOS this morning, due to Firefox and Thunderbird not
working correctly. Specifically, Firefox was repeatedly asking to be the
default browser, even as I previously selected it as the default. And
Thunderbird, in the middle of all this, would no longer open links at
all, deciding to automatically add a new 'account' relating to news and
feeds.
Both Vivaldi and Chromium were also installed as browsers, but once both
of these were removed, Firefox and Thunderbird continued to exhibit the
same behavior.
Upon installing first Trinity/Ubuntu 20.04.1 and then Lubuntu 20.04 LTS,
I was unable to get HPLIP (as hp-setup) with either OS to communicate
with my HP printer, which was USB-connected.
Final attempt, was to install Debian (10, LXQt). Fortunately, this was
able to detect the printer using hp-setup, however neither hp-systray
nor the HPLIP Toolbox (GUI) will launch.
I am extremely hesitant to install Trinity on top of this Debian
installation, because I am afraid that with Konqueror included as the
default file manager, I will have the same issues with Firefox and
Thunderbird. I suspect that something with PCLOS may have changed,
causing it to detect both Firefox and Konqueror as web browsers, instead
of a web browser and a file manager. I don't know.
I have been fiddling with this for the past seven hours now. I just want
it to work.
Thanks in advance for any advice/suggestions/etc.
31 Dec
31 Dec
1:24 a.m.
On 2020/12/31 07:08 AM, Edward wrote:
Unfortunately, I was forced to remove my installation of
Trinity/PCLinuxOS this morning, due to Firefox and Thunderbird not
working correctly
Hi Edward,
I use firefox every day on a debian install + TDE and I have no issues.
I also used thunderbird for long time and it was always quite ok.
You can set the default browser and file manager in the Trinity Control center, so the
options are there.
You probably get some wrong options somewhere, just wanted to say that usually konqueror,
firefox, thunderbird can live
together in a TDE installation without major dramas.
Cheers
Michele
1:48 a.m.
On 12/30/20 8:24 PM, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
On 2020/12/31 07:08 AM, Edward wrote:
Hi Michele,
I honestly don't know what went wrong with Trinity/PCLOS. Everything had
been fine before I installed Chromium first, then Vivaldi.
I'll install TDE on top of this Debian install. This is what's installed
on my other desktop and so far, I'm not having the issues I had with
TDE/PCLOS.
Thanks for the reply.
Ed
Unfortunately, I was forced to remove my installation of
Trinity/PCLinuxOS this morning, due to Firefox and Thunderbird not
working correctly
Hi Edward,
I use firefox every day on a debian install + TDE and I have no issues.
I also used thunderbird for long time and it was always quite ok.
You can set the default browser and file manager in the Trinity
Control center, so the options are there.
You probably get some wrong options somewhere, just wanted to say that
usually konqueror, firefox, thunderbird can live together in a TDE
installation without major dramas.
Cheers
Michele 
2:32 a.m.
On Wednesday 30 December 2020 07:24:26 pm Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
On 2020/12/31 07:08 AM, Edward wrote:
Unfortunately, I was forced to remove my installation of
Trinity/PCLinuxOS this morning, due to Firefox and Thunderbird not
working correctly
Hi Edward,
I use firefox every day on a debian install + TDE and I have no issues. Unfortunately, I was forced to remove my installation
of
Trinity/PCLinuxOS
Upon installing first Trinity/Ubuntu 20.04.1 and then
Lubuntu 20.04 LTS,
Final attempt, was to install Debian (10, LXQt). Fortunately, this was
I have been fiddling with this for the past seven
hours now. I just want
it to work.
Thanks in advance for any advice/suggestions/etc.
Hi Edward,
If I’m reading that right, you don't seem to be married to any one
distribution? Like Michele, I don’t have any issues with Debian 10 (buster)
and the software you’ve mentioned.
This works ‘out of the box:’
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/MX_Linux_Trinity_Repository_Installation_In…
The MX Package Installer has a ‘one click’ HP Printing (HPLIP and printing
extras) install. [1]
My 2 cents.
Best,
Michael
Note 1: MX is init based, non-systemd (uses a systemd shim, so you will see a
dummy systemd entry in ps).
Note 2: The tde.pm attached to that page works to fully install TDE. I’m in
the middle of testing the next tde.pm release which will do a
clean ‘uninstall’ of TDE. ETA ~Feb 1.
[1]
List of what it installs:
<install_package_names>
printer-driver-hpijs
hpijs-ppds
hplip-data
hplip-gui
cups
cups-pdf
cups-client
magicfilter
gv
</install_package_names>
3:46 a.m.
On 12/30/20 9:32 PM, Michael via tde-users wrote:
Hi Edward,
If I’m reading that right, you don't seem to be married to any one
distribution? Like Michele, I don’t have any issues with Debian 10 (buster)
and the software you’ve mentioned.
This works ‘out of the box:’
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/MX_Linux_Trinity_Repository_Installation_In…
The MX Package Installer has a ‘one click’ HP Printing (HPLIP and printing
extras) install. [1]
My 2 cents.
Best,
Michael
Note 1: MX is init based, non-systemd (uses a systemd shim, so you will see a
dummy systemd entry in ps).
Note 2: The tde.pm attached to that page works to fully install TDE. I’m in
the middle of testing the next tde.pm release which will do a
clean ‘uninstall’ of TDE. ETA ~Feb 1.
[1]
List of what it installs:
<install_package_names>
printer-driver-hpijs
hpijs-ppds
hplip-data
hplip-gui
cups
cups-pdf
cups-client
magicfilter
gv
</install_package_names>
I now have Debian 10 with Trinity installed on both of my desktops. So
far, so good. :)
For a number of years, I used Fedora exclusively, but it eventually got
to the point where it would take between 2-3 minutes just to boot-up. I
have no idea why, but although I had multiple desktops installed, I
didn't think that would have caused the slow boot-up. I actually tried
Trinity with Fedora, but had to use the Fedora 31 packages, as the
packages for 32 were not yet available at the time. It had worked fine.
I wanted to try out other distros with Trinity, to see how they all
performed and each of them booted up in a matter of seconds, including
inside a VirtualBox.
8:25 a.m.
Anno domini 2020 Thu, 31 Dec 17:17:58 +0900
Michele Calgaro via tde-users scripsit:
On 2020/12/31 12:46 PM, Edward wrote:
Devuan :)
I now have Debian 10 with Trinity installed on both of my desktops. So
far, so good. :)
Can't beat that!!! (especially Debian Testing + TDE PSB/PTB)
Cheers
Michele
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10:26 a.m.
On Thursday 31 December 2020 00:25:55 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Thu, 31 Dec 17:17:58 +0900
Michele Calgaro via tde-users scripsit:
+1 to that. I have found Devuan to be even more Debian than Debian
itself.
On 2020/12/31 12:46 PM, Edward wrote:
Devuan :)
I now have Debian 10 with Trinity installed on both of my desktops. So
far, so good. :)
Can't beat that!!! (especially Debian Testing + TDE PSB/PTB) > Cheers
> Michele
May the Source be with you!
Bill
2:14 p.m.
On 12/31/20 3:17 AM, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
On 2020/12/31 12:46 PM, Edward wrote:
Although I have beta-tested software on Linux in the past, it was only
specific applications, not an actual distribution. :)
I checked the Firefox preferences and even though it has so far, not
prompted me to select it as the default browser, the preferences are
showing Firefox as the default.
I now have Debian 10 with Trinity installed on both of my desktops. So
far, so good. :)
Can't beat that!!! (especially Debian Testing + TDE PSB/PTB)
Cheers
Michele
1 Jan
1 Jan
7:34 a.m.
Although I have beta-tested software on Linux in the
past, it was only
specific applications, not an actual distribution. :)
I checked the Firefox preferences and even though it has so far, not
prompted me to select it as the default browser, the preferences are
showing Firefox as the default.
Hi Edwards,
have a look at Trinity Control Center -> TDE Components -> Default applications
-> Web browser and set whatever is your
preference there, regardless of what Firefox tells you.
Cheers
Michele
6:14 p.m.
On 1/1/21 2:34 AM, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
Hi Michele,
I've actually reinstalled everything on the main desktop, but using the text-based
installer this time, so I will have a look at those TDE settings after.
When I used the Debian LXQt image to originally install, I used the graphical installer
and it appeared to have incorrectly set up the network, as an IPv6 testing web site mirror
reported Firefox had an IPv6 address but was avoiding using it. I also had to disable IPv6
in the Thunderbird config file as it would not connect to my home Internet service
provider's IMAP and SMTP servers. In addition, the graphical installer did not ask for
the Internet domain nor a root password, which the text-based installer does. I found
instructions to add the root password, when I discovered I couldn't update the system!
I noticed the problem when I looked at resolv.conf and it did not contain 'domain'
and 'search' entries, only containing ::1 and 127.0.0.1 as nameservers and
included a reference that it was created by 'Connection Manager'. 😕
On my other desktop, I used the text-based version of the installer and that appears to
correctly set up the network.
Linux. A Continual Learning Experience.
Although I have beta-tested software on Linux in
the past, it was only
specific applications, not an actual distribution. :)
I checked the Firefox preferences and even though it has so far, not
prompted me to select it as the default browser, the preferences are
showing Firefox as the default.
Hi Edwards,
have a look at Trinity Control Center -> TDE Components -> Default
applications -> Web browser and set whatever is your preference there,
regardless of what Firefox tells you.
Cheers
Michele
3 Jan
3 Jan
12:04 a.m.
On 1/1/21 2:34 AM, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
Hi Michele,
Thunderbird was acting up again earlier, then noticed that Firefox had
unbecome the default web browser again, so I went into the above screen
and made Firefox the default.
TDE is a lot easier when it comes to things like this, an easy-to-use
GUI. To turn off the user list at the login screen and turn on the
numlock, instead of manually editing text files, it was two checkboxes
away. :)
Ed
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Linux. A Continual Learning Experience.
Although I have beta-tested software on Linux in
the past, it was only
specific applications, not an actual distribution. :)
I checked the Firefox preferences and even though it has so far, not
prompted me to select it as the default browser, the preferences are
showing Firefox as the default.
Hi Edwards,
have a look at Trinity Control Center -> TDE Components -> Default
applications -> Web browser and set whatever is your preference there,
regardless of what Firefox tells you.
Cheers
Michele 
12:46 a.m.
New subject: [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror? [OT]
On 2021-01-02 18:04:45 Edward wrote:
TDE is a lot easier when it comes to things like this,
an easy-to-use
GUI. To turn off the user list at the login screen and turn on the
numlock, instead of manually editing text files, it was two checkboxes
away. :)
Ed
That's one of the best things about TDE: One doesn't have to go down through
innumerable layers of configuration windows to make a change.
Leslie
--
11:05 p.m.
New subject: [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror? [OT]
On 1/2/21 7:46 PM, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2021-01-02 18:04:45 Edward wrote:
And I discover it 10 years later! 😂
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TDE is a lot easier when it comes to things like
this, an easy-to-use
GUI. To turn off the user list at the login screen and turn on the
numlock, instead of manually editing text files, it was two checkboxes
away. :)
Ed
That's one of the best things about TDE: One doesn't have to go down
through
innumerable layers of configuration windows to make a change.
Leslie
1:09 p.m.
On 1/2/21 7:04 PM, Edward wrote:
On 1/1/21 2:34 AM, Michele Calgaro via tde-users
wrote:
Hi Michele,
Thunderbird was acting up again earlier, then noticed that Firefox had
unbecome the default web browser again, so I went into the above screen
and made Firefox the default.
TDE is a lot easier when it comes to things like this, an easy-to-use
GUI. To turn off the user list at the login screen and turn on the
numlock, instead of manually editing text files, it was two checkboxes
away. :)
Last night I had opened Konqueror to find some files. This morning, I
clicked a link in Thunderbird, it opened Firefox and it again displayed
a window that it wasn't the default browser. I again selected it as the
default. This was after I set Firefox as the default in TDE Control
Center/TDE Components/Default Applications.
So it appears that once Konqueror is launched for something, the system
is making it the default browser, when it should not be and regardless
of the TCC setting.
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Although I have beta-tested software on Linux in
the past, it was only
specific applications, not an actual distribution. :)
I checked the Firefox preferences and even though it has so far, not
prompted me to select it as the default browser, the preferences are
showing Firefox as the default.
Hi Edwards,
have a look at Trinity Control Center -> TDE Components -> Default
applications -> Web browser and set whatever is your preference there,
regardless of what Firefox tells you.
Cheers
Michele
1:42 p.m.
On 2021/01/04 10:09 PM, Edward wrote:
So it appears that once Konqueror is launched for something, the system
is making it the default browser, when it should not be and regardless
of the TCC setting.
It must be something else Edward. I have Konqueror and Firefox
open all the time and I have no problem. Konqueror is
open with File Manager profile, maybe something different from your system??
Cheers
Michele
2:27 p.m.
On 1/4/21 8:42 AM, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
On 2021/01/04 10:09 PM, Edward wrote:
I used the LXQt Debian 10.6 image to install, then installed TDE after.
I have removed the Konqueror icon from the desktop (as Web Browser) and
the panel and replaced them with the PCManFM-Qt file manager, which is
the default for LXQt. I will see how this works.
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So it appears that once Konqueror is launched for something, the system
is making it the default browser, when it should not be and regardless
of the TCC setting.
It must be something else Edward. I have Konqueror and Firefox
open
all the time and I have no problem. Konqueror is open with File
Manager profile, maybe something different from your system??
Cheers
Michele
2:33 p.m.
On 1/4/21 9:27 AM, Edward wrote:
On 1/4/21 8:42 AM, Michele Calgaro via tde-users
wrote:
I didn't have this problem before installing Trinity, so I may have to
discontinue using it.
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On 2021/01/04 10:09 PM, Edward wrote:
I used the LXQt Debian 10.6 image to install, then installed TDE
after. I have removed the Konqueror icon from the desktop (as Web
Browser) and the panel and replaced them with the PCManFM-Qt file
manager, which is the default for LXQt. I will see how this works.
So it appears that once Konqueror is launched for something, the system
is making it the default browser, when it should not be and regardless
of the TCC setting.
It must be something else Edward. I have Konqueror and Firefox
open
all the time and I have no problem. Konqueror is open with File
Manager profile, maybe something different from your system??
Cheers
Michele
3:30 p.m.
Anno domini 2021 Mon, 4 Jan 09:33:46 -0500
Edward scripsit:
On 1/4/21 9:27 AM, Edward wrote:
Open Firefox, go to "about:config", enter
"browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser", set it to "false".
Quit all firefox instances. Do whatever it takes to make firfox amnesia appear. Reboot,
log out, pray to the good of rotten software and lost spagetties. Restart firefox and
check if the popup pops up again. If yes, check filepermissions of the ~/.mozilla - e.g.
kill all firefox intances, do something like "chown $USER:$USER ~/.mozilla -R; chmod
u+rw ~/.mozilla -R", reboot, check again. Repeat till you either find what program
changes "browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser" to "true" or the problem
goes away.
Nik
On 1/4/21 8:42 AM, Michele Calgaro via tde-users
wrote:
I didn't have this problem before installing Trinity, so I may have to
discontinue using it. On 2021/01/04 10:09 PM, Edward wrote:
I used the LXQt Debian 10.6 image to install, then installed TDE
after. I have removed the Konqueror icon from the desktop (as Web
Browser) and the panel and replaced them with the PCManFM-Qt file
manager, which is the default for LXQt. I will see how this works.
So it appears that once Konqueror is launched for something, the system
is making it the default browser, when it should not be and regardless
of the TCC setting.
It must be something else Edward. I have Konqueror and Firefox
open
all the time and I have no problem. Konqueror is open with File
Manager profile, maybe something different from your system??
Cheers
Michele
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4:25 p.m.
On 1/4/21 10:30 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2021 Mon, 4 Jan 09:33:46 -0500
Edward scripsit:
Open Firefox, go to "about:config", enter
"browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser", set it to "false".
Quit all firefox instances. Do whatever it takes to make firfox amnesia appear. Reboot,
log out, pray to the good of rotten software and lost spagetties. Restart firefox and
check if the popup pops up again. If yes, check filepermissions of the ~/.mozilla - e.g.
kill all firefox intances, do something like "chown $USER:$USER ~/.mozilla -R; chmod
u+rw ~/.mozilla -R", reboot, check again. Repeat till you either find what program
changes "browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser" to "true" or the problem
goes away.
Nik
Hi Nik,
I'll keep the list apprised. The above item in the config file was on
'true', I changed it to 'false' and rebooted the system.
This issue also occurred with Trinity and PCLinuxOS, using the TDE Mini
install image.
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I used
the LXQt Debian 10.6 image to install, then installed TDE
after. I have removed the Konqueror icon from the desktop (as Web
Browser) and the panel and replaced them with the PCManFM-Qt file
manager, which is the default for LXQt. I will see how this works.
I didn't
have this problem before installing Trinity, so I may have to
discontinue using it.
4:43 p.m.
Anno domini 2021 Mon, 4 Jan 11:25:46 -0500
Edward scripsit:
On 1/4/21 10:30 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Well, it's a firefox problem. There's also a real chance for the user to have the
GUI settings and about:config out of sync - it's somewhere in the firefox bugtracker,
dating from 2018.
Nik
Anno domini 2021 Mon, 4 Jan 09:33:46 -0500
Edward scripsit:
Open Firefox, go to "about:config", enter
"browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser", set it to "false".
Quit all firefox instances. Do whatever it takes to make firfox amnesia appear. Reboot,
log out, pray to the good of rotten software and lost spagetties. Restart firefox and
check if the popup pops up again. If yes, check filepermissions of the ~/.mozilla - e.g.
kill all firefox intances, do something like "chown $USER:$USER ~/.mozilla -R; chmod
u+rw ~/.mozilla -R", reboot, check again. Repeat till you either find what program
changes "browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser" to "true" or the problem
goes away.
Nik
Hi Nik,
I'll keep the list apprised. The above item in the config file was on
'true', I changed it to 'false' and rebooted the system.
This issue also occurred with Trinity and PCLinuxOS, using the TDE Mini
install image. I used
the LXQt Debian 10.6 image to install, then installed TDE
after. I have removed the Konqueror icon from the desktop (as Web
Browser) and the panel and replaced them with the PCManFM-Qt file
manager, which is the default for LXQt. I will see how this works.
I didn't
have this problem before installing Trinity, so I may have to
discontinue using it.
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9:18 p.m.
On 1/4/21 11:43 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Well, it's a firefox problem. There's also a
real chance for the user to have the GUI settings and about:config out of sync - it's
somewhere in the firefox bugtracker, dating from 2018.
Nik
I'm still trying this and that. But so far, what I am seeing, is that
if /any/ web browser (Vivaldi, Konqueror) is launched while Firefox is
already set as the default in the Firefox Preferences, it /will/ change
the default browser setting within Firefox, whether or not the TDE
Control Center defaults are empty or specify a default; and Thunderbird
will then not open any links, instead creating that Blogs & News Feeds
entry. This also automatically changes that Firefox config entry from
False, back to True.
Suggestions to fix this (so far):
* Change the setting mentioned in your previous message back to False,
setting it as the default again, exiting Firefox and Thunderbird,
then powering down or rebooting the system.
* Use another browser/e-mail combo. Debian no longer provides
SeaMonkey and the e-mail app that is now included with Vivaldi, is
still under Technical Preview, but is enabled in the Vivaldi
Snapshot release.
* Not use Konqueror as a file manager.
Testing continues.
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10:02 p.m.
New subject: [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On 2021-01-04 15:18:02 Edward wrote:
On 1/4/21 11:43 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Look also to see if environment variable BROWSER is set, as it was in
my .bashrc (I had apparently set it long ago, then forgotten), causing me
some confusion until I found it.
Leslie
Well, it's a firefox problem. There's
also a real chance for the user to
have the GUI settings and about:config out of sync - it's somewhere in
the firefox bugtracker, dating from 2018.
Nik
I'm still trying this and that. But so far, what I am seeing, is that
if /any/ web browser (Vivaldi, Konqueror) is launched while Firefox is
already set as the default in the Firefox Preferences, it /will/ change
the default browser setting within Firefox, whether or not the TDE
Control Center defaults are empty or specify a default; and Thunderbird
will then not open any links, instead creating that Blogs & News Feeds
entry. This also automatically changes that Firefox config entry from
False, back to True.
Suggestions to fix this (so far):
* Change the setting mentioned in your previous message back to False,
setting it as the default again, exiting Firefox and Thunderbird,
then powering down or rebooting the system.
* Use another browser/e-mail combo. Debian no longer provides
SeaMonkey and the e-mail app that is now included with Vivaldi, is
still under Technical Preview, but is enabled in the Vivaldi
Snapshot release.
* Not use Konqueror as a file manager.
Testing continues.
10:59 p.m.
New subject: [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On 1/4/21 5:02 PM, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2021-01-04 15:18:02 Edward wrote:
No presence of BROWSER in .bashrc
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I'm still trying this and that. But so far,
what I am seeing, is that
if /any/ web browser (Vivaldi, Konqueror) is launched while Firefox is
already set as the default in the Firefox Preferences, it /will/ change
the default browser setting within Firefox, whether or not the TDE
Control Center defaults are empty or specify a default; and Thunderbird
will then not open any links, instead creating that Blogs & News Feeds
entry. This also automatically changes that Firefox config entry from
False, back to True.
Suggestions to fix this (so far):
* Change the setting mentioned in your previous message back to False,
setting it as the default again, exiting Firefox and Thunderbird,
then powering down or rebooting the system.
* Use another browser/e-mail combo. Debian no longer provides
SeaMonkey and the e-mail app that is now included with Vivaldi, is
still under Technical Preview, but is enabled in the Vivaldi
Snapshot release.
* Not use Konqueror as a file manager.
Testing continues.
Look also to see if environment variable BROWSER is set, as it
was in
my .bashrc (I had apparently set it long ago, then forgotten), causing me
some confusion until I found it.
Leslie
11:43 p.m.
New subject: [users] [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On 2021-01-04 16:59:33 Edward wrote:
On 1/4/21 5:02 PM, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
Do echo $BROWSER to see if /something/ set it. :-)
Leslie
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On 2021-01-04 15:18:02 Edward wrote:
No presence of BROWSER in .bashrc. I'm still trying this and that. But so far,
what I am seeing, is that
if /any/ web browser (Vivaldi, Konqueror) is launched while Firefox is
already set as the default in the Firefox Preferences, it /will/ change
the default browser setting within Firefox, whether or not the TDE
Control Center defaults are empty or specify a default; and Thunderbird
will then not open any links, instead creating that Blogs & News Feeds
entry. This also automatically changes that Firefox config entry from
False, back to True.
Suggestions to fix this (so far):
* Change the setting mentioned in your previous message back to
False, setting it as the default again, exiting Firefox and Thunderbird,
then powering down or rebooting the system.
* Use another browser/e-mail combo. Debian no longer provides
SeaMonkey and the e-mail app that is now included with Vivaldi, is
still under Technical Preview, but is enabled in the Vivaldi
Snapshot release.
* Not use Konqueror as a file manager.
Testing continues.
Look also to see if environment variable BROWSER is set, as it was in
my .bashrc (I had apparently set it long ago, then forgotten), causing me
some confusion until I found it.
Leslie
5 Jan
5 Jan
12:37 a.m.
New subject: [users] [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On 1/4/21 6:43 PM, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2021-01-04 16:59:33 Edward wrote:
No response to that command, not from my home directory and not from /
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On 1/4/21 5:02 PM, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
Do echo $BROWSER to see if
/something/ set it. :-) On 2021-01-04 15:18:02 Edward wrote:
No presence of BROWSER in .bashrc. I'm still trying this and that. But so far,
what I am seeing, is that
if /any/ web browser (Vivaldi, Konqueror) is launched while Firefox is
already set as the default in the Firefox Preferences, it /will/ change
the default browser setting within Firefox, whether or not the TDE
Control Center defaults are empty or specify a default; and Thunderbird
will then not open any links, instead creating that Blogs & News Feeds
entry. This also automatically changes that Firefox config entry from
False, back to True.
Suggestions to fix this (so far):
* Change the setting mentioned in your previous message back to
False, setting it as the default again, exiting Firefox and Thunderbird,
then powering down or rebooting the system.
* Use another browser/e-mail combo. Debian no longer provides
SeaMonkey and the e-mail app that is now included with Vivaldi, is
still under Technical Preview, but is enabled in the Vivaldi
Snapshot release.
* Not use Konqueror as a file manager.
Testing continues.
Look also to see if environment variable BROWSER is set, as it
was in
my .bashrc (I had apparently set it long ago, then forgotten), causing me
some confusion until I found it.
Leslie
1:38 a.m.
On Monday 04 January 2021 16:37:58 Edward wrote:
No response to that command, not from my home directory and not from /
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My opinion, for what it's worth, is that Konqueror is an excellent file
browser (better than available alternatives), but also a pretty nice web
browser; however, it's best to choose one or the other, and there are lots of
other web browsers out there. Your config file can be changed to force your
own preferences; I haven't changed mine since about 2005, when I was running
Kubuntu Hardy Heron 8.04 and KDE3.
For Firefox and other Mozilla browsers, about:config can make your browser do
almost anything you want. There are a lot of sites out there that give pretty
clear instructions for how-to. And once I've got it set, I search for my
about:config xul file, and save that, because it can be reused in other
Mozilla browsers (modifying, of course, where necessary). My about:config,
however, has been gradually modified, maybe once or twice a year, because the
developers keep changing stuff.
Normally, I would be glad to share my xul file(s), but in this case they
contain sensitive information, such as names and locations of places in my
system. Whenever I can't get a browser to do what I want through the gui
settings, it has pretty much always obeyed me after I go into about:config.
If you can't find answers on the web, try searching for specific terms;
e.g., "force private window Firefox startup about:config" or "force
compatibility about:config" or "make default browser about:config" -- and
you
will usually find *something* useful out there.
Good luck!
Bill
1:21 p.m.
On 1/4/21 8:38 PM, William Morder via tde-users wrote:
My opinion, for what it's worth, is that Konqueror
is an excellent file
browser (better than available alternatives), but also a pretty nice web
browser; however, it's best to choose one or the other, and there are lots of
other web browsers out there. Your config file can be changed to force your
own preferences; I haven't changed mine since about 2005, when I was running
Kubuntu Hardy Heron 8.04 and KDE3.
I agree that Konqueror is an excellent file manager.
The issue, is that once a different browser is launched, the system-wide
setting for the default browser changes to whatever browser is launched,
resulting in Firefox and Thunderbird not behaving as expected.
This clearly is overriding any default application settings in the TDE
Control Center.
If Firefox is set as the default browser on the system, it should stay
that way.
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2:37 p.m.
On Tuesday 05 January 2021 05:21:41 Edward wrote:
I agree that Konqueror is an excellent file manager.
The issue, is that once a different browser is launched, the system-wide
setting for the default browser changes to whatever browser is launched,
resulting in Firefox and Thunderbird not behaving as expected.
This clearly is overriding any default application settings in the TDE
Control Center.
If Firefox is set as the default browser on the system, it should stay
that way.
Did you try changing those settings in about:config? (Nik was more explicit
here.) Also, what other browsers do you use? I believe you never specified
which others. That "something else" that makes system-wide changes is almost
certainly another browser ... although strange things do happen.
Assuming that you are free of viruses, malware, etc., my only other guess
would be Thunderbird, because it's also Mozilla, and *maybe* there could be a
weird connection somewhere. But that seems like a stretch.
You might also want to take a look at permissions. I generally make everything
read-only, no group privileges, unless there is good reason otherwise, so
that nothing can be changed except by myself as admin.
Bill
1:48 a.m.
New subject: [users] [users] [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On 2021-01-04 18:37:58 Edward wrote:
On 1/4/21 6:43 PM, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
Well, at least that possibility is eliminated.
Leslie
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On 2021-01-04 16:59:33 Edward wrote:
No response to that command, not from my home directory and not from / On 1/4/21 5:02 PM, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
Do echo $BROWSER to see if /something/ set it. :-) On 2021-01-04 15:18:02 Edward wrote:
> I'm still trying this and that. But so far, what I am seeing, is that
> if /any/ web browser (Vivaldi, Konqueror) is launched while Firefox is
> already set as the default in the Firefox Preferences, it /will/
> change the default browser setting within Firefox, whether or not the
> TDE Control Center defaults are empty or specify a default; and
> Thunderbird will then not open any links, instead creating that Blogs
> & News Feeds entry. This also automatically changes that Firefox
> config entry from False, back to True.
>
> Suggestions to fix this (so far):
>
> * Change the setting mentioned in your previous message back to
> False, setting it as the default again, exiting Firefox and
> Thunderbird, then powering down or rebooting the system.
>
> * Use another browser/e-mail combo. Debian no longer provides
> SeaMonkey and the e-mail app that is now included with Vivaldi,
> is still under Technical Preview, but is enabled in the Vivaldi
> Snapshot release.
>
> * Not use Konqueror as a file manager.
>
>
>
> Testing continues.
Look also to see if environment variable BROWSER is set, as it was in
my .bashrc (I had apparently set it long ago, then forgotten), causing
me some confusion until I found it.
Leslie
No presence of BROWSER in .bashrc.
8:45 a.m.
New subject: [users] [users] [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
Anno domini 2021 Mon, 4 Jan 19:48:09 -0600
J Leslie Turriff scripsit:
* Change the setting mentioned in your previous
message back to
> >>>> False, setting it as the default again, exiting Firefox and
> >>>> Thunderbird, then powering down or rebooting the system.
Follow these steps:
https://www.cb-net.co.uk/linux/debian-8-jessie-firefox-locked-preferences/
Nik
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9:32 a.m.
New subject: [users] [users] [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
Anno domini 2021 Tue, 5 Jan 09:45:44 +0100
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp scripsit:
Anno domini 2021 Mon, 4 Jan 19:48:09 -0600
J Leslie Turriff scripsit:
additional note: you can turn on plaintext preferences and add the defaultbrowsercheck to
these prefs on login:
about:config --> general.config.obscure_value" = 0
Then in your .xinitrc or whatever you use to mange autostart on login:
for i in ~/.mozilla/firefox/*/prets.js; do
echo 'user_pref("browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser",false);' >>
$i
done
Sidenote: check the modification time of that file to identify if something is mession
with your local firefox settings or if it's done on a global base.
nik
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* Change the setting mentioned in your previous
message back to
> >>>> False, setting it as the default again, exiting Firefox and
> >>>> Thunderbird, then powering down or rebooting the system.
Follow these steps:
https://www.cb-net.co.uk/linux/debian-8-jessie-firefox-locked-preferences/
Nik
1:47 p.m.
New subject: [users] [users] [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On 1/5/21 4:32 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hi Nik,
When I turned the system on this morning (without launching Konqueror),
Firefox and Thunderbird were working as expected. But when I checked the
Firefox preferences, it again said it was not the default browser, I
changed it back.
Something system-wide keeps changing the default browser.
I don't know what is installed managing autostart.
I added the above user pref line to a new file 'user.js' in the profile
directory, this is commented as one method to change the preferences
when looking at prefs.js in vim, however when launching Firefox after,
the preferences again indicated it wasn't the default and the same user
pref was true, so the user.js had no effect.
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Follow these steps:
https://www.cb-net.co.uk/linux/debian-8-jessie-firefox-locked-preferences/
Nik
additional note: you can turn on plaintext preferences and add the
defaultbrowsercheck to these prefs on login:
about:config --> general.config.obscure_value" = 0
Then in your .xinitrc or whatever you use to mange autostart on login:
for i in ~/.mozilla/firefox/*/prets.js; do
echo 'user_pref("browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser",false);' >>
$i
done
Sidenote: check the modification time of that file to identify if something is mession
with your local firefox settings or if it's done on a global base.
nik
2:17 p.m.
New subject: [users] [users] [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
Anno domini 2021 Tue, 5 Jan 08:47:00 -0500
Edward scripsit:
On 1/5/21 4:32 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hi Nik,
When I turned the system on this morning (without launching Konqueror),
Firefox and Thunderbird were working as expected. But when I checked the
Firefox preferences, it again said it was not the default browser, I
changed it back.
Something system-wide keeps changing the default browser.
I don't know what is installed managing autostart.
I added the above user pref line to a new file 'user.js' in the profile
directory, this is commented as one method to change the preferences
when looking at prefs.js in vim, however when launching Firefox after,
the preferences again indicated it wasn't the default and the same user
pref was true, so the user.js had no effect.
Please check if "browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser" is set somewhere in the
defaults. On my system it's set in 2 files. Whichever is read later will win:
$ fgrep browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser /usr/lib/firefox-esr/browser/defaults -R
/usr/lib/firefox-esr/browser/defaults/syspref/firefox-esr.js:pref("browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser",
false);
/usr/lib/firefox-esr/browser/defaults/preferences/firefox.js:pref("browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser",
true);
$
Interestingly it's not set to false in my profile - where I explictly set it to false.
But as "false" is the system default, I assume firefox uses some "clever
opimisation" when saving preferences:
$ fgrep browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser ~/.mozilla -R
$
You can check what your firefox reads with this line - look for the last occurence of what
ever prefrences file holds references to "browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser":
$ strace -f $(which firefox) 2>&1|grep '[.]js'|grep
"[.]js\""|sed 's#^.*"\(.*\)".*$#\1#'|less
Nik
Follow these steps:
https://www.cb-net.co.uk/linux/debian-8-jessie-firefox-locked-preferences/
Nik
additional note: you can turn on plaintext preferences and add the
defaultbrowsercheck to these prefs on login:
about:config --> general.config.obscure_value" = 0
Then in your .xinitrc or whatever you use to mange autostart on login:
for i in ~/.mozilla/firefox/*/prets.js; do
echo 'user_pref("browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser",false);' >>
$i
done
Sidenote: check the modification time of that file to identify if something is mession
with your local firefox settings or if it's done on a global base.
nik
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3:58 p.m.
New subject: [users] [users] [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On 1/5/21 9:17 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Please check if
"browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser" is set somewhere in the defaults. On my
system it's set in 2 files. Whichever is read later will win:
$ fgrep browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser /usr/lib/firefox-esr/browser/defaults -R
/usr/lib/firefox-esr/browser/defaults/syspref/firefox-esr.js:pref("browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser",
false);
/usr/lib/firefox-esr/browser/defaults/preferences/firefox.js:pref("browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser",
true);
$
Interestingly it's not set to false in my profile - where I explictly set it to
false. But as "false" is the system default, I assume firefox uses some
"clever opimisation" when saving preferences:
$ fgrep browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser ~/.mozilla -R
$
You can check what your firefox reads with this line - look for the last occurence of
what ever prefrences file holds references to
"browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser":
$ strace -f $(which firefox) 2>&1|grep '[.]js'|grep
"[.]js\""|sed 's#^.*"\(.*\)".*$#\1#'|less
Nik
Results:
The first fgrep command displayed the same as above. The second fgrep
and strace commands resulted in no output.
Although browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser is listed in about:prefs in
the browser, I noticed it is currently /not/ in the prefs.js file in my
profile directory - when I opened Konqueror and then opened it with
Kate. Firefox's preferences currently show it is the default browser and
the box above it to check to see if it's the default each time, is
currently not checked.
I also had Vivaldi installed, now removed. Will continue testing.
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3:59 p.m.
New subject: [users] [users] [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On 1/5/21 10:58 AM, Edward wrote:
Although browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser is listed
in about:prefs in
the browser, I noticed it is currently /not/ in the prefs.js file in
my profile directory - when I opened Konqueror and then opened it with
Kate. Firefox's preferences currently show it is the default browser
and the box above it to check to see if it's the default each time, is
currently not checked.
I also had Vivaldi installed, now removed. Will continue testing.
This should read /about:config/, not about:prefs.
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6 Jan
6 Jan
6:26 a.m.
New subject: [users] [users] [users] [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On 2021-01-05 07:47:00 Edward wrote:
Hi Nik,
When I turned the system on this morning (without launching Konqueror),
Firefox and Thunderbird were working as expected. But when I checked the
Firefox preferences, it again said it was not the default browser, I
changed it back.
Something system-wide keeps changing the default browser.
I don't know what is installed managing autostart.
I added the above user pref line to a new file 'user.js' in the profile
directory, this is commented as one method to change the preferences
when looking at prefs.js in vim, however when launching Firefox after,
the preferences again indicated it wasn't the default and the same user
pref was true, so the user.js had no effect.
Is it possible that there are left-over tasks running that were created by
another desktop, that might be changing this setting? I wonder, because when
I used to reinstall my OpenSuSE system, to get GUI working I had to choose
KDE(4) or Gnome, and since I really wanted to ultimately install Trinity, I
chose Gnome. Once Trinity was working my system was amazingly slow, and
after a lot of hairpulling I discovered that Gnome's file indexing subsystem
was starting, even though I wasn't using Gnome; I had to delete those Gnome
components. Maybe something similar is happening on your machine?
Leslie
--
6:49 a.m.
New subject: [users] [users] [users] [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 12:26:47AM -0600, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
Is it possible that there are left-over tasks running
that were created by
another desktop, that might be changing this setting? I wonder, because when
I used to reinstall my OpenSuSE system, to get GUI working I had to choose
KDE(4) or Gnome, and since I really wanted to ultimately install Trinity, I
chose Gnome. Once Trinity was working my system was amazingly slow, and
after a lot of hairpulling I discovered that Gnome's file indexing subsystem
was starting, even though I wasn't using Gnome; I had to delete those Gnome
components. Maybe something similar is happening on your machine?
Modern Gnome is to classic Gnome as KDE 4 was to classic KDE, only more
so. It puts its tentacles into everything, and like a vampire squid,
sucks the life out of your desktop.
"What do you mean, not everyone has a $20K laptop with 64GB of RAM,
which they religiously shut down at least twice a day?"
- the Gnome and Red Hat developers
Speaking of expensive laptops, I'm thinking of starting a GoFundMe to by
me a Luvaglio.
https://www.topteny.com/top-10-most-expensive-laptops-in-the-world/
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noon
On Tuesday 05 January 2021 12.50:55 phiebie(a)drei.at wrote:
Midnight commander (mc) is as file manager far
superior to konqueror.
That's only your opinion. I think it depends a lot on *what* one does with
a "file manager". I'd not try to sort pictures with mc. I do it with
Konqueror.
Thierry
6 Jan
6 Jan
6:20 a.m.
New subject: [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On 2021-01-05 05:50:55 phiebie(a)drei.at wrote:
Edward,
Uh-oh. Let the file-manager wars begin. :-D
Leslie
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Midnight commander (mc) is as file manager far superior to konqueror.
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6:53 a.m.
New subject: [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On Tuesday 05 January 2021 22:20:58 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2021-01-05 05:50:55 phiebie(a)drei.at wrote:
We are all free to use whatever suits us best. Linux has plenty of choices.
My point was, it seems a bad idea to use Konqueror as both a web browser and a
file manager, even though it's possible, and even though you can create
different profiles. Somebody else may know better than I, and I will listen.
But my gut instinct says, choose one or the other, web browser or file
manager. Don't use Konqueror for both.
Bill
Edward,
Uh-oh. Let the file-manager wars begin. :-D
Leslie * Not use Konqueror as a file manager.
Midnight commander (mc) is as file manager far superior to konqueror.
Peter.
7:34 a.m.
New subject: [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On Tue, Jan 05, 2021 at 10:53:55PM -0800, William Morder via tde-users wrote:
My point was, it seems a bad idea to use Konqueror as
both a web browser and a
file manager, even though it's possible, and even though you can create
different profiles. Somebody else may know better than I, and I will listen.
But my gut instinct says, choose one or the other, web browser or file
manager. Don't use Konqueror for both.
Why not?
If I like Konq's file browser functionality, and I like Konq's web
browser functionality, why do I have to pick only one?
That seems a bit like saying that I can use a spoon for eating soup, or
for eating breakfast cereal, but I can only choose one. If I choose to
eat cereal with the spoon, then I have to use chopsticks or a fork for
the soup.
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9:04 a.m.
New subject: [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On Tuesday 05 January 2021 23:34:10 Steven D'Aprano via tde-users wrote:
A more appropriate metaphor would be: One ought not use the same tub of water
for cooking, bathing, cleaning the floor and bathroom, etc. Better to have
separate tubs. Or maybe others are not so fastidious as myself?
Bill
On Tue, Jan 05, 2021 at 10:53:55PM -0800, William
Morder via tde-users
wrote:
My point was,
it seems a bad idea to use Konqueror as both a web browser
and a file manager, even though it's possible, and even though you can
create different profiles. Somebody else may know better than I, and I
will listen. But my gut instinct says, choose one or the other, web
browser or file manager. Don't use Konqueror for both.
Why not?
If I like Konq's file browser functionality, and I like Konq's web
browser functionality, why do I have to pick only one?
That seems a bit like saying that I can use a spoon for eating soup, or
for eating breakfast cereal, but I can only choose one. If I choose to
eat cereal with the spoon, then I have to use chopsticks or a fork for
the soup. 
9:35 a.m.
New subject: [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
A more appropriate metaphor would be: One ought not
use the same tub of
water for cooking, bathing, cleaning the floor and bathroom, etc. Better
to have separate tubs. Or maybe others are not so fastidious as myself?
TDEs Konqueror as a browser is quite useless, but as file manager it is
(almost) great. The problem is the HTML engine behind.
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New subject: [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
Anno domini 2021 Wed, 06 Jan 10:35:46 +0100
deloptes via tde-users scripsit:
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Yep. Once upon a time you could select a different rendering engine, but IMO that was a
millenia ago :)
Nik
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A more appropriate metaphor would be: One ought
not use the same tub of
water for cooking, bathing, cleaning the floor and bathroom, etc. Better
to have separate tubs. Or maybe others are not so fastidious as myself?
TDEs Konqueror as a browser is quite useless, but as file manager it is
(almost) great. The problem is the HTML engine behind.
11:20 a.m.
New subject: [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 01:04:02AM -0800, William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Sorry, I don't see why that is a better analogy.
Is it okay to use Konq to look at web pages (html files) on your local
drive?
Do you use different text editors for each sort of text file you view,
according to their source or contents or both?
Do you use a different email client for every sender or mailing list?
I am perfectly content to use the same video player to view videos I
have downloaded from the internet *and* those videos I have recorded or
created myself. How about you?
My guess is that your web browser and your file browser are probably
running under the same user account, stored in the same file system, on
the same hard drive, in the same computer, under the same OS.
It isn't clear to me how using the same application for file browsing
and web browsing is substantially worse, especially since you don't seem
to be arguing that Konq is unsuitable for either task. You're just
arguing that we shouldn't use it for *both*.
Bill, if you wanted to argue that Konq makes a crappy web browser in
2021, then I would agree. If you wanted to argue that it was a rubbish
file browser, I would disagree but put it down to bad taste on your
part. (I think Konq is the best file browser I have ever used on any
OS.) But your argument that it is fine for one or the other but not both
perplexes me.
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If I like
Konq's file browser functionality, and I like Konq's web
browser functionality, why do I have to pick only one?
That seems a bit like saying that I can use a spoon for eating soup, or
for eating breakfast cereal, but I can only choose one. If I choose to
eat cereal with the spoon, then I have to use chopsticks or a fork for
the soup.
A more appropriate metaphor would be: One ought not use the same tub of water
for cooking, bathing, cleaning the floor and bathroom, etc. Better to have
separate tubs. Or maybe others are not so fastidious as myself?
12:12 p.m.
New subject: [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On Wednesday 06 January 2021 03:20:29 Steven D'Aprano via tde-users wrote:
Sorry, I don't see why that is a better analogy.
Is it okay to use Konq to look at web pages (html files) on your local
drive?
Do you use different text editors for each sort of text file you view,
according to their source or contents or both?
Do you use a different email client for every sender or mailing list?
I am perfectly content to use the same video player to view videos I
have downloaded from the internet *and* those videos I have recorded or
created myself. How about you?
My guess is that your web browser and your file browser are probably
running under the same user account, stored in the same file system, on
the same hard drive, in the same computer, under the same OS.
It isn't clear to me how using the same application for file browsing
and web browsing is substantially worse, especially since you don't seem
to be arguing that Konq is unsuitable for either task. You're just
arguing that we shouldn't use it for *both*.
Bill, if you wanted to argue that Konq makes a crappy web browser in
2021, then I would agree. If you wanted to argue that it was a rubbish
file browser, I would disagree but put it down to bad taste on your
part. (I think Konq is the best file browser I have ever used on any
OS.) But your argument that it is fine for one or the other but not both
perplexes me.
I haven't used Konq as a web browser (except occasionally by accident) for a
long time, and as others have noted, it's not so useful any more as a web
browser any more, but I hadn't really paid attention to that side of it. I
remember it being a pretty good web browser, years ago, but prefer to use it
strictly as a file manager.
The reason I don't like it (or any similar software) for mixed uses such as
web browsing *and* file manager is, if I might call it such, sort of like
sandboxing. If you have ever tried to open a web page in your browser,
then -- SURPRISE! -- you find yourself looking at your file system, you might
understand what I am driving at. (And perhaps others can chime in here, if
they agree or disagree ...) In my view, you open yourself up to insecurities.
And as a matter of fact, I do use different text editors, but only so that I
can anchor them to different desktops, and use them for dedicated tasks that
I like to keep separate. When it comes to browsers, again, I do indeed use
different browsers, each with different security settings, some strictly over
proxy with everything blocked, some not quite so secure, and some that I use
over a direct connection for banking, shopping, etc. So to use Konqueror for
one thing only -- file browsing -- follows the same principle of using
different browsers for different sorts of sites, each dedicated to their
different tasks. I use Seamonkey for a obscure blog to which I add new posts
every couple months; I use Icecat for all my most secure web browsing, when I
do research on whatever; I use Vivaldi for business stuff; I used Qupzilla
when I was the admin and DJ of an online radio station; I sometimes also use
other browsers now and then, and always follow that same basic principle.
You don't have to agree with me. You don't have to take my advice
or follow my own path; it will undoubtedly end in madness, anyway. If anybody
knows better, I'm always glad to listen and learn if I can. But there is my
reasoning. I believe I'm just about explained out of breath, so I hope I've
made myself clear.
Maybe I ought to add that I also keep using stone tools; no need to upgrade.
My ways are primitive, but they work.
Bill
On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 01:04:02AM -0800, William
Morder via tde-users
wrote:
If I like Konq's file browser functionality, and I
like Konq's web
browser functionality, why do I have to pick only one?
That seems a bit like saying that I can use a spoon for eating soup, or
for eating breakfast cereal, but I can only choose one. If I choose to
eat cereal with the spoon, then I have to use chopsticks or a fork for
the soup.
A more appropriate metaphor would be: One ought not use the same tub of
water for cooking, bathing, cleaning the floor and bathroom, etc. Better
to have separate tubs. Or maybe others are not so fastidious as myself?
1:09 p.m.
New subject: [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
What I have been able to determine, so far:
If Konqueror or another web browser is left alone:
And Firefox is *not* the default browser, the box in Preferences to
always check if it's the default is *not* checked, both Firefox and
Thunderbird, so far, have behaved as expected. With the box unchecked,
Firefox obviously does not prompt for it to become the default.
Once Konqueror or another web browser is launched:
Firefox, when launched afterwards, will again prompt to become the
default and once again, Thunderbird will create 'Blogs & News Feeds' and
not open links when selected.
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1:29 p.m.
New subject: [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
Anno domini 2021 Wed, 6 Jan 08:09:23 -0500
Edward scripsit:
What I have been able to determine, so far:
If Konqueror or another web browser is left alone:
And Firefox is *not* the default browser, the box in Preferences to
always check if it's the default is *not* checked, both Firefox and
Thunderbird, so far, have behaved as expected. With the box unchecked,
Firefox obviously does not prompt for it to become the default.
Once Konqueror or another web browser is launched:
Firefox, when launched afterwards, will again prompt to become the
default and once again, Thunderbird will create 'Blogs & News Feeds' and
not open links when selected.
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So you'll have to check 2 things:
1) reboot, launch firefox, close it, lauch any other browser, close it. reboot, launch
firefox: does the said popup occur?
2a) If not: what changed in the local users environment variablen?
2b) if yes: what files were changed in the local users environment?
Nik
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2:31 p.m.
New subject: [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On 1/6/21 8:29 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2021 Wed, 6 Jan 08:09:23 -0500
Edward scripsit:
When I powered the system on this morning, the Firefox preferences
indicated it *was* the default browser, with the box to check for
default, unchecked. Last night, it was showing it was *not* the default.
In light of this, upon performing the steps in Q1:
1. No
2A. Unknown
Something appears to be changing the default browser status upon
shutdown/reboot.
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What I have been able to determine, so far:
If Konqueror or another web browser is left alone:
And Firefox is *not* the default browser, the box in Preferences to
always check if it's the default is *not* checked, both Firefox and
Thunderbird, so far, have behaved as expected. With the box unchecked,
Firefox obviously does not prompt for it to become the default.
Once Konqueror or another web browser is launched:
Firefox, when launched afterwards, will again prompt to become the
default and once again, Thunderbird will create 'Blogs & News Feeds' and
not open links when selected.
So you'll have to check 2 things:
1) reboot, launch firefox, close it, lauch any other browser, close it. reboot, launch
firefox: does the said popup occur?
2a) If not: what changed in the local users environment variablen?
2b) if yes: what files were changed in the local users environment?
Nik
3:01 p.m.
New subject: [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On 1/6/21 9:31 AM, Edward wrote:
On 1/6/21 8:29 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Just did a shutdown (for 20 minutes) and powered it back on. Opened
Thunderbird, selected a link in an e-mail, it correctly launched Firefox
and opened the page. Upon checking the Firefox preferences, it now shows
Firefox is *not* the default browser with the check-for-default box
still unchecked.
So, something occurring during shutdowns and reboots, is clearly
affecting the system default browser settings.
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Anno domini 2021 Wed, 6 Jan 08:09:23 -0500
Edward scripsit:
When I powered the system on this morning, the Firefox preferences
indicated it *was* the default browser, with the box to check for
default, unchecked. Last night, it was showing it was *not* the default.
In light of this, upon performing the steps in Q1:
1. No
2A. Unknown
Something appears to be changing the default browser status upon
shutdown/reboot. What I have been able to determine, so far:
If Konqueror or another web browser is left alone:
And Firefox is *not* the default browser, the box in Preferences to
always check if it's the default is *not* checked, both Firefox and
Thunderbird, so far, have behaved as expected. With the box unchecked,
Firefox obviously does not prompt for it to become the default.
Once Konqueror or another web browser is launched:
Firefox, when launched afterwards, will again prompt to become the
default and once again, Thunderbird will create 'Blogs & News Feeds'
and
not open links when selected.
So you'll have to check 2 things:
1) reboot, launch firefox, close it, lauch any other browser, close
it. reboot, launch firefox: does the said popup occur?
2a) If not: what changed in the local users environment variablen?
2b) if yes: what files were changed in the local users environment?
Nik
3:26 p.m.
New subject: [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
Anno domini 2021 Wed, 6 Jan 10:01:32 -0500
Edward scripsit:
On 1/6/21 9:31 AM, Edward wrote:
Firefox GUI settings is not the right place to go. Go to about:config and check there.
Also, have you tried mandatory settings?
On 1/6/21 8:29 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Just did a shutdown (for 20 minutes) and powered it back on. Opened
Thunderbird, selected a link in an e-mail, it correctly launched Firefox
and opened the page. Upon checking the Firefox preferences, it now shows
Firefox is *not* the default browser with the check-for-default box
still unchecked.
So, something occurring during shutdowns and reboots, is clearly
affecting the system default browser settings. Anno domini 2021 Wed, 6 Jan 08:09:23 -0500
Edward scripsit:
When I powered the system on this morning, the Firefox preferences
indicated it *was* the default browser, with the box to check for
default, unchecked. Last night, it was showing it was *not* the default.
In light of this, upon performing the steps in Q1:
1. No
2A. Unknown
Something appears to be changing the default browser status upon
shutdown/reboot. What I have been able to determine, so far:
If Konqueror or another web browser is left alone:
And Firefox is *not* the default browser, the box in Preferences to
always check if it's the default is *not* checked, both Firefox and
Thunderbird, so far, have behaved as expected. With the box unchecked,
Firefox obviously does not prompt for it to become the default.
Once Konqueror or another web browser is launched:
Firefox, when launched afterwards, will again prompt to become the
default and once again, Thunderbird will create 'Blogs & News Feeds'
and
not open links when selected.
So you'll have to check 2 things:
1) reboot, launch firefox, close it, lauch any other browser, close
it. reboot, launch firefox: does the said popup occur?
2a) If not: what changed in the local users environment variablen?
2b) if yes: what files were changed in the local users environment?
Nik
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8 Jan
9:11 a.m.
New subject: [users] [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On 2021-01-06 09:01:32 Edward wrote:
On 1/6/21 9:31 AM, Edward wrote:
Is there anything pertinent/suspicious in the system log for the period
between the shutdown command and the hardware shutdown?
Leslie
--
On 1/6/21 8:29 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Just did a shutdown (for 20 minutes) and powered it back on. Opened
Thunderbird, selected a link in an e-mail, it correctly launched Firefox
and opened the page. Upon checking the Firefox preferences, it now shows
Firefox is *not* the default browser with the check-for-default box
still unchecked.
So, something occurring during shutdowns and reboots, is clearly
affecting the system default browser settings.
Anno domini 2021 Wed, 6 Jan 08:09:23 -0500
Edward scripsit:
When I powered the system on this morning, the Firefox preferences
indicated it *was* the default browser, with the box to check for
default, unchecked. Last night, it was showing it was *not* the default.
In light of this, upon performing the steps in Q1:
1. No
2A. Unknown
Something appears to be changing the default browser status upon
shutdown/reboot. What I have been able to determine, so far:
If Konqueror or another web browser is left alone:
And Firefox is *not* the default browser, the box in Preferences to
always check if it's the default is *not* checked, both Firefox and
Thunderbird, so far, have behaved as expected. With the box unchecked,
Firefox obviously does not prompt for it to become the default.
Once Konqueror or another web browser is launched:
Firefox, when launched afterwards, will again prompt to become the
default and once again, Thunderbird will create 'Blogs & News Feeds'
and
not open links when selected.
So you'll have to check 2 things:
1) reboot, launch firefox, close it, lauch any other browser, close
it. reboot, launch firefox: does the said popup occur?
2a) If not: what changed in the local users environment variablen?
2b) if yes: what files were changed in the local users environment?
Nik
12:54 p.m.
New subject: [users] [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On 1/8/21 4:11 AM, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
Is there anything pertinent/suspicious in the system
log for the period
between the shutdown command and the hardware shutdown?
Leslie
In looking at /var/log/syslog.1 from the shutdown last night, only one
item was highlighted (using vim to view):
at-spi-bus-launcher[963]: XIO: fatal I/O error 11 (Resource temporarily
unavailable) on X server ":0"
Otherwise, it appears to have shutdown normally.
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4:39 p.m.
New subject: [users] [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On 1/8/21 7:54 AM, Edward wrote:
On 1/8/21 4:11 AM, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
There are 2 choices for the alternative x-www-browser (providing
/usr/bin/x-www-browser).
Selection Path Priority Status
------------------------------------------------------------
* 0 /opt/trinity/bin/konqueror 100 auto mode
1 /opt/trinity/bin/konqueror 100 manual mode
2 /usr/bin/firefox-esr 70 manual mode
Firefox was the default earlier, when I now checked it, it wasn't and
noticed the above. Konqueror has not been launched all day.
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Is there anything pertinent/suspicious in the
system log for the
period
between the shutdown command and the hardware shutdown?
Leslie
In looking at /var/log/syslog.1 from the shutdown last night, only one
item was highlighted (using vim to view):
at-spi-bus-launcher[963]: XIO: fatal I/O error 11 (Resource
temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0"
Otherwise, it appears to have shutdown normally.
6 Jan
6 Jan
3:24 p.m.
New subject: [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
Anno domini 2021 Wed, 6 Jan 09:31:23 -0500
Edward scripsit:
On 1/6/21 8:29 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Nothing changes things for firefox. Most likely "something" sets some
environment varable that firefox uses to determine if it's the standard browser.
So look for changes in your environment. Start with a clean reboot, then:
- open terminal window, "env | sort > /tmp/a", close terminal
- start firefox, note if the said popup appears
- open terminal window, "env | sort > /tmp/b", close terminal
- start "some other" browser
- open terminal window, "env | sort > /tmp/c", close terminal
- start firefox, note if the said popup appears
- open terminal window, "env | sort > /tmp/d", close terminal
Then note the differences aka changes to the initial environment (You may use
"kompare" instead of "diff", if you like):
$ diff /tmp/a /tmp/b
$ diff /tmp/a /tmp/c
$ diff /tmp/a /tmp/d
So let's see what changes from a to d :)
Nik
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Anno domini 2021 Wed, 6 Jan 08:09:23 -0500
Edward scripsit:
When I powered the system on this morning, the Firefox preferences
indicated it *was* the default browser, with the box to check for
default, unchecked. Last night, it was showing it was *not* the default.
In light of this, upon performing the steps in Q1:
1. No
2A. Unknown
Something appears to be changing the default browser status upon
shutdown/reboot. What I have been able to determine, so far:
If Konqueror or another web browser is left alone:
And Firefox is *not* the default browser, the box in Preferences to
always check if it's the default is *not* checked, both Firefox and
Thunderbird, so far, have behaved as expected. With the box unchecked,
Firefox obviously does not prompt for it to become the default.
Once Konqueror or another web browser is launched:
Firefox, when launched afterwards, will again prompt to become the
default and once again, Thunderbird will create 'Blogs & News Feeds' and
not open links when selected.
So you'll have to check 2 things:
1) reboot, launch firefox, close it, lauch any other browser, close it. reboot, launch
firefox: does the said popup occur?
2a) If not: what changed in the local users environment variablen?
2b) if yes: what files were changed in the local users environment?
Nik
4:25 p.m.
New subject: [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On 1/6/21 10:24 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Nothing changes things for firefox. Most likely
"something" sets some environment varable that firefox uses to determine if
it's the standard browser.
So look for changes in your environment. Start with a clean reboot, then:
- open terminal window, "env | sort > /tmp/a", close terminal
- start firefox, note if the said popup appears
- open terminal window, "env | sort > /tmp/b", close terminal
- start "some other" browser
- open terminal window, "env | sort > /tmp/c", close terminal
- start firefox, note if the said popup appears
- open terminal window, "env | sort > /tmp/d", close terminal
Then note the differences aka changes to the initial environment (You may use
"kompare" instead of "diff", if you like):
$ diff /tmp/a /tmp/b
$ diff /tmp/a /tmp/c
$ diff /tmp/a /tmp/d
So let's see what changes from a to d :)
Nik
Upon starting both instances of Firefox, it came up as the default
browser each time, no prompt and the check-for-default box was not checked.
Konqueror was launched between the two, went through a couple of
directories in Konqueror.
$ diff /tmp/a /tmp/b
14,15c14,15
< KONSOLE_DCOP=DCOPRef(konsole-1004,konsole)
< KONSOLE_DCOP_SESSION=DCOPRef(konsole-1004,session-1)
---
KONSOLE_DCOP=DCOPRef(konsole-1193,konsole)
KONSOLE_DCOP_SESSION=DCOPRef(konsole-1193,session-1)
19d18
< OLDPWD=/home/epp
21c20
< PWD=/home/epp/tmp
---
PWD=/home/epp
39c38
< WINDOWID=67108874
---
WINDOWID=83886090
$ diff /tmp/a /tmp/c
14,15c14,15
< KONSOLE_DCOP=DCOPRef(konsole-1004,konsole)
< KONSOLE_DCOP_SESSION=DCOPRef(konsole-1004,session-1)
---
KONSOLE_DCOP=DCOPRef(konsole-1207,konsole)
KONSOLE_DCOP_SESSION=DCOPRef(konsole-1207,session-1)
19d18
< OLDPWD=/home/epp
21c20
< PWD=/home/epp/tmp
---
PWD=/home/epp
39c38
< WINDOWID=67108874
---
WINDOWID=85983242
$ diff /tmp/a /tmp/d
14,15c14,15
< KONSOLE_DCOP=DCOPRef(konsole-1004,konsole)
< KONSOLE_DCOP_SESSION=DCOPRef(konsole-1004,session-1)
---
KONSOLE_DCOP=DCOPRef(konsole-1377,konsole)
KONSOLE_DCOP_SESSION=DCOPRef(konsole-1377,session-1)
19d18
< OLDPWD=/home/epp
21c20
< PWD=/home/epp/tmp
---
PWD=/home/epp
39c38
< WINDOWID=67108874
---
WINDOWID=85983242
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4:50 p.m.
New subject: [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
Anno domini 2021 Wed, 6 Jan 11:25:18 -0500
Edward scripsit:
On 1/6/21 10:24 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
So konqueror is not the problem. You'll need to find the program that does bad things
to firefox. KONSOLE_DCOP*-variables can be safely ignored, as can PWD and PLDPWD.
Nik
Nothing changes things for firefox. Most likely
"something" sets some environment varable that firefox uses to determine if
it's the standard browser.
So look for changes in your environment. Start with a clean reboot, then:
- open terminal window, "env | sort > /tmp/a", close terminal
- start firefox, note if the said popup appears
- open terminal window, "env | sort > /tmp/b", close terminal
- start "some other" browser
- open terminal window, "env | sort > /tmp/c", close terminal
- start firefox, note if the said popup appears
- open terminal window, "env | sort > /tmp/d", close terminal
Then note the differences aka changes to the initial environment (You may use
"kompare" instead of "diff", if you like):
$ diff /tmp/a /tmp/b
$ diff /tmp/a /tmp/c
$ diff /tmp/a /tmp/d
So let's see what changes from a to d :)
Nik
Upon starting both instances of Firefox, it came up as the default
browser each time, no prompt and the check-for-default box was not checked.
Konqueror was launched between the two, went through a couple of
directories in Konqueror.
$ diff /tmp/a /tmp/b
14,15c14,15
< KONSOLE_DCOP=DCOPRef(konsole-1004,konsole)
< KONSOLE_DCOP_SESSION=DCOPRef(konsole-1004,session-1)
---
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KONSOLE_DCOP=DCOPRef(konsole-1193,konsole)
KONSOLE_DCOP_SESSION=DCOPRef(konsole-1193,session-1)
19d18
< OLDPWD=/home/epp
21c20
< PWD=/home/epp/tmp
---
PWD=/home/epp
39c38
< WINDOWID=67108874
---
WINDOWID=83886090
$ diff /tmp/a /tmp/c
14,15c14,15
< KONSOLE_DCOP=DCOPRef(konsole-1004,konsole)
< KONSOLE_DCOP_SESSION=DCOPRef(konsole-1004,session-1)
---
KONSOLE_DCOP=DCOPRef(konsole-1207,konsole)
KONSOLE_DCOP_SESSION=DCOPRef(konsole-1207,session-1)
19d18
< OLDPWD=/home/epp
21c20
< PWD=/home/epp/tmp
---
PWD=/home/epp
39c38
< WINDOWID=67108874
---
WINDOWID=85983242
$ diff /tmp/a /tmp/d
14,15c14,15
< KONSOLE_DCOP=DCOPRef(konsole-1004,konsole)
< KONSOLE_DCOP_SESSION=DCOPRef(konsole-1004,session-1)
---
KONSOLE_DCOP=DCOPRef(konsole-1377,konsole)
KONSOLE_DCOP_SESSION=DCOPRef(konsole-1377,session-1)
19d18
< OLDPWD=/home/epp
21c20
< PWD=/home/epp/tmp
---
PWD=/home/epp
39c38
< WINDOWID=67108874
---
WINDOWID=85983242
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8 Jan
8 Jan
9:06 a.m.
New subject: [users] [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On 2021-01-06 05:20:29 Steven D'Aprano via tde-users wrote:
Sorry, I don't see why that is a better analogy.
Is it okay to use Konq to look at web pages (html files) on your local
drive? It works fine for that, as long as the HTML is ancient. Don't expect
HTML5
and/or CSS3 to work correctly; the rendering engine doesn't understand that.
[snip]
Leslie
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On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 01:04:02AM -0800, William
Morder via tde-users
wrote:
If I like Konq's file browser functionality, and I
like Konq's web
browser functionality, why do I have to pick only one?
That seems a bit like saying that I can use a spoon for eating soup, or
for eating breakfast cereal, but I can only choose one. If I choose to
eat cereal with the spoon, then I have to use chopsticks or a fork for
the soup.
A more appropriate metaphor would be: One ought not use the same tub of
water for cooking, bathing, cleaning the floor and bathroom, etc. Better
to have separate tubs. Or maybe others are not so fastidious as myself?
2:42 p.m.
New subject: [users] [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On Friday 08 January 2021 01:06:40 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2021-01-06 05:20:29 Steven D'Aprano via
tde-users wrote:
Sorry, I don't see why that is a better analogy.
Is it okay to use Konq to look at web pages (html files) on your local
drive?
It works fine for that, as long as the HTML is ancient. Don't expect
HTML5 and/or CSS3 to work correctly; the rendering engine doesn't
understand that.
[snip]
Leslie
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Any security or privacy risk, I think, would be similar to loading the html
content in your email, or reading a pdf which contains live external html
links and is allowed access to the internet. If you are one of those folks
who, like myself, force Kmail or other email client to display plain text
only, then why not be consistent throughout?
If you use Konqueror as both web browser and file manager -- especially at the
same time, in the same session -- then you may not only leak personal data,
but also present opportunities for intrusions; others may see inside your
file system, such as the contents of your home folder, or maybe do worse. But
I am just speculating what could happen, if one is careless, or an intruder
too clever.
Bill
On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 01:04:02AM -0800, William
Morder via tde-users
wrote:
If I like Konq's file browser functionality, and I
like Konq's web
browser functionality, why do I have to pick only one?
That seems a bit like saying that I can use a spoon for eating soup,
or for eating breakfast cereal, but I can only choose one. If I
choose to eat cereal with the spoon, then I have to use chopsticks or
a fork for the soup.
A more appropriate metaphor would be: One ought not use the same tub of
water for cooking, bathing, cleaning the floor and bathroom, etc.
Better to have separate tubs. Or maybe others are not so fastidious as
myself?
6 p.m.
New subject: [users] [users] [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On 2021-01-08 08:42:35 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Friday 08 January 2021 01:06:40 J Leslie Turriff
wrote:
I agree. Do you know of a way to prevent a browser from connecting to the
internet (ideally, by preventing connections using particular useragent
strings)? So far I haven't found any such, but I don't know what the best
search arguments would be for hunting for them.
Leslie
--
On 2021-01-06 05:20:29 Steven D'Aprano via
tde-users wrote:
It works fine for that, as long as the HTML is ancient. Don't expect
HTML5 and/or CSS3 to work correctly; the rendering engine doesn't
understand that.
[snip]
Leslie
--
Any security or privacy risk, I think, would be similar to loading the html
content in your email, or reading a pdf which contains live external html
links and is allowed access to the internet. If you are one of those folks
who, like myself, force Kmail or other email client to display plain text
only, then why not be consistent throughout?
If you use Konqueror as both web browser and file manager -- especially at
the same time, in the same session -- then you may not only leak personal
data, but also present opportunities for intrusions; others may see inside
your file system, such as the contents of your home folder, or maybe do
worse. But I am just speculating what could happen, if one is careless, or
an intruder too clever.
On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 01:04:02AM -0800, William
Morder via tde-users
wrote:
> If I
like Konq's file browser functionality, and I like Konq's web
> browser functionality, why do I have to pick only one?
>
> That seems a bit like saying that I can use a spoon for eating
> soup, or for eating breakfast cereal, but I can only choose one. If
> I choose to eat cereal with the spoon, then I have to use
> chopsticks or a fork for the soup.
A more appropriate metaphor would be: One ought not use the same tub
of water for cooking, bathing, cleaning the floor and bathroom, etc.
Better to have separate tubs. Or maybe others are not so fastidious
as myself?
Sorry, I don't see why that is a better analogy.
Is it okay to use Konq to look at web pages (html files) on your local
drive?
6:31 p.m.
New subject: [users] [users] [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On Friday 08 January 2021 12:00:36 pm J Leslie Turriff wrote:
Do you know of a way to prevent a browser from
connecting to the
internet (ideally, by preventing connections using particular useragent
strings)? So far I haven't found any such, but I don't know what the best
search arguments would be for hunting for them.
https://serverfault.com/questions/550276/how-to-block-internet-access-to-ce…
10:58 p.m.
New subject: [users] [users] [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On Friday 08 January 2021 10:31:23 Michael via tde-users wrote:
On Friday 08 January 2021 12:00:36 pm J Leslie Turriff
wrote:
https://serverfault.com/questions/550276/how-to-block-internet-access-to-ce…
Oooh! NEW TOY!
Thanks, Michael. This might keep me busy for a while.
Bill
Do you know of a way to prevent a browser from
connecting to the
internet (ideally, by preventing connections using particular useragent
strings)? So far I haven't found any such, but I don't know what the
best search arguments would be for hunting for them.
9 Jan
9 Jan
2:42 a.m.
New subject: [users] [users] [users] [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On 2021-01-08 12:31:23 Michael via tde-users wrote:
On Friday 08 January 2021 12:00:36 pm J Leslie Turriff
wrote:
Hmmm... firejail looks like the easiest way to go, but their RPM package is
broken and can't be installed.
Leslie
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On Friday 08 January 2021 18:42:18 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2021-01-08 12:31:23 Michael via tde-users wrote:
It's in Debian/Devuan repositories. There is some package that will convert
deb to rpm; I forget the name offhand. Or you could go by way of
compile-from-source ... or build your own packages ...
I know, I hate doing that stuff, but maybe there are other possible solutions
out there?
Bill
On Friday 08 January 2021 12:00:36 pm J Leslie
Turriff wrote:
Hmmm... firejail looks like the easiest way to go, but their RPM package
is broken and can't be installed.
Leslie
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strings)? So far I haven't found any such, but I don't know what the
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William Morder via tde-users scripsit:
On Friday 08 January 2021 18:42:18 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
cgroups - but they are a bit strange.
On 2021-01-08 12:31:23 Michael via tde-users
wrote:
It's in Debian/Devuan repositories. There is some package that will convert
deb to rpm; I forget the name offhand. Or you could go by way of
compile-from-source ... or build your own packages ...
I know, I hate doing that stuff, but maybe there are other possible solutions
out there? On Friday 08 January 2021 12:00:36 pm J Leslie
Turriff wrote:
Hmmm... firejail looks like the easiest way to go, but their RPM package
is broken and can't be installed.
Leslie
-- Do you know of a way to prevent a browser from
connecting to the
internet (ideally, by preventing connections using particular useragent
strings)? So far I haven't found any such, but I don't know what the
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New subject: [users] [users] [users] [users] [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On 2021-01-08 21:46:54 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Friday 08 January 2021 18:42:18 J Leslie Turriff
wrote:
I found RPMs for firejail using the OpenSuSE Download webpage, but OpenSuSE
has deprecated the Leap 15.1 repositories, so first I have to upgrade my
system to 15.2.
Leslie
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On 2021-01-08 12:31:23 Michael via tde-users
wrote:
It's in Debian/Devuan repositories. There is some package that will convert
deb to rpm; I forget the name offhand. Or you could go by way of
compile-from-source ... or build your own packages ...
I know, I hate doing that stuff, but maybe there are other possible
solutions out there?
Bill On Friday 08 January 2021 12:00:36 pm J Leslie
Turriff wrote:
Hmmm... firejail looks like the easiest way to go, but their RPM package
is broken and can't be installed.
Leslie
-- Do you know of a way to prevent a browser from
connecting to the
internet (ideally, by preventing connections using particular
useragent strings)? So far I haven't found any such, but I don't
know what the best search arguments would be for hunting for them.
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New subject: [users] [users] Trinity Trouble - Konqueror?
On 2021-01-06 00:53:55 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Tuesday 05 January 2021 22:20:58 J Leslie Turriff
wrote:
The only reason I don't use Konqueror anymore for browsing is that it can't
render modern webpages properly because of its ancient HTML engine. Whenever
I do accidentally open a web link the results are painful to look at.
I suspect that it doesn't provide much of the necessary protection that a
modern web browser does, either.
Leslie
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On 2021-01-05 05:50:55 phiebie(a)drei.at wrote:
We are all free to use whatever suits us best. Linux has plenty of choices.
My point was, it seems a bad idea to use Konqueror as both a web browser
and a file manager, even though it's possible, and even though you can
create different profiles. Somebody else may know better than I, and I will
listen. But my gut instinct says, choose one or the other, web browser or
file manager. Don't use Konqueror for both. Edward,
Uh-oh. Let the file-manager wars begin. :-D
Leslie * Not use Konqueror as a file manager.
Midnight commander (mc) is as file manager far superior to konqueror.
Peter.
31 Dec
31 Dec
8:12 a.m.
On Thursday 31 December 2020 03.32:52 Michael via tde-users wrote:
Hi Edward,
If I’m reading that right, you don't seem to be married to any one
distribution? Like Michele, I don’t have any issues with Debian 10
(buster) and the software you’ve mentioned.
I owe a big debt to SuSE (written that way) for teaching me how to use Linux
back in the 1990's (their manual was perfect), but since I discovered TDE,
Debian has been the most reliable distribution and I've been comming back to
it whatever I've tried.
It's the source of *buntu and as they say, "use the source" :)
Raspbian works well on ARM too.
Thierry
1:58 p.m.
On 12/31/20 3:12 AM, Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote:
On Thursday 31 December 2020 03.32:52 Michael via
tde-users wrote:
Hi Thierry,
When I was first introduced to Linux back in 2003, SuSE was the first
distribution I tried. Installed it and it worked right out of the box.
In fact, I still have the SuSE 9 retail box and installation media.
Have used Linux ever since. Linux is a continual learning experience. :)
Hi Edward,
If I’m reading that right, you don't seem to be married to any one
distribution? Like Michele, I don’t have any issues with Debian 10
(buster) and the software you’ve mentioned.
I owe a big debt to SuSE (written that
way) for teaching me how to use Linux
back in the 1990's (their manual was perfect), but since I discovered TDE,
Debian has been the most reliable distribution and I've been comming back to
it whatever I've tried.
It's the source of *buntu and as they say, "use the source" :)
Raspbian works well on ARM too.
Thierry
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