Yes, in TDE there is 2 ''Control Centers'': -The Macintosh-like program, usually called ''System Settings'' -The classic one, called ''TDE Control Center'' If ''System Settings'' is installed, as it is most of the time on Kubuntu-based systems, the 2 are available. KDE4 has a much more intelligent approach on this: The 2 programs has been merged in one, and you can select from a drop-menu the one you prefer. -Alexandre

On Wednesday 12 February 2014 19:12:08 Curt Howland wrote: wrote: *Your* screenshots did go through. James didn't send any. Lisi

I'd be very surprised that this package is not available as part of TDE on Debian, but you wouldn't say it if you weren't sure... I won't disagree on this, I never use Debian. It is much more simple to have 1 icon to get access to the control center, instead of 2. On some installs of TDE, the 2 control centers are installed, but you don't even know which one will start when you click on its icon. On KDE 4, you can switch between the 2 presentations modes as much as you like it, and you don't have to check out which icon is the right one. I can say on this that I prefer the old-fashioned Control Center. -Alexandre

said Tony Wolfs: | > It is much more simple to have 1 icon to get access to the control | > center, instead of 2. On some installs of TDE, the 2 control centers | > are installed, but you don't even know which one will start when you | > click on its icon. On KDE 4, you can switch between the 2 | > presentations modes as much as you like it, and you don't have to | > check out which icon is the right one. | > I can say on this that I prefer the old-fashioned Control Center. | > | > -Alexandre | | I agree with Alexandre on this one. | Hope r14 is coming soon then hit alt-f2 and type "kcontrol" and hit enter. -- dep The shortest distance between you and playing great acoustic guitar: the great new instructional DVDs from Marjorie Thompson, available at www.MarjorieThompson.com

On Thursday 13 February 2014 02:06:06 Slávek Banko wrote: But not by default. KControl is there by default. One of the strengths of Debian is the fact that there is so much software you can install if you want. There is even a compiz-core-trinity package, and a lot of others to go with it, for those who like bling. I stand outvoted. I feel constantly threatened by this "modern" bloat and bling, which Alexandre seems to love and to want to impose. And I still do not accept that KDE4 is "more intelligent" than TDE in any way that I can think of. If we get those new wallpapers, can we delete some others, rather than increase the number? Maybe delete twice as many as we add? I would be in favour then! There is always the "get new wallpapers" button. I agree that most of the wallpapers that are there by default, are pretty awful. Lisi

On Thursday 13 of February 2014 10:25:35 Lisi Reisz wrote: No need to worry. I'm also not a fan of shiny appearance. For example, compiz is for me totally useless thing. So I will take care to preserve the sober classic look. That you're reminded "get new wallpapers" is a very good idea! Linked to this is that we probably had for these downloads establish own source independent from KDE sources. A comprehensive theme of shiny appearance could possibly be as a separate package. To those who want it, would then be able to simply install a shiny theme package. Slavek --