On Tuesday 02 July 2024 11:00:14 AM (-05:00), Mike Bird via tde-users wrote: I just liked how many new features were packed into KMAIL that TDE-KMAIL, DOESN'T have. Like auto archiving folders, like Outlook. " If emails are older than xxx days, then move to > Local Folders > xxx" Being able to insert an image into an email, vs always having to attach it in TDE-KMAIL. Stuff like that. i'm only trying on VIV MAIL, due to VIV being my everyday browser, and I am " experimenting" around with IMAP. I am normally a POP3 kinda person. ============================================================ THANKS IN ADVANCE! CHRIS CHRIS(a)CWM030.COM ~* Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~* *~~1 TB SSD*~~ ~*15.5 GiB of ram*~ ~~* Debian 12 with a minimal XFCE install w/ TDE on top * ~~ ~FYI, TDE is a continuation of KDE 3.x ~ ----------------Sent with Vivaldi Mail. Download Vivaldi for free at vivaldi.com

On Tue, 2 Jul 2024, CHRIS M via tde-users wrote: Is it possible to use plasma (KDE4/5) kmail within TDE? Does it not integrate well? I do this with okular, gwenview, k3b. TDE is very stable and fast, but I tend to use also apps from other desktops. Gianluca ----------------------------------------------------- Gianluca Interlandi, PhD gianluca(a)u.washington.edu +1 (206) 685 4435 http://gianluca.today/research/ Department of Bioengineering University of Washington, Seattle WA U.S.A. -----------------------------------------------------

On Tue July 2 2024 09:43:53 CHRIS M via tde-users wrote: Works fine for me but you have to edit KDE KMail's menu entry so that it uses the full path to distinguish it from TDE KMail. (And now I get to uninstall 255 packages grumble grumble.) --Mike

On Tue July 2 2024 10:25:07 CHRIS M via tde-users wrote: Menu / Settings / Menu Editor (or right click on the T-menu button) and choose the Internet / KMail menu entry to edit. In the image I have the text cursor positioned exactly at the spot you need to edit in order to prefix "/usr/bin/" to "kmail". --Mike

On Tue July 2 2024 12:56:27 CHRIS M via tde-users wrote: The image was in my prior email: https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydeskt…

+1000 As a Trinity user for more than twenty years - under Ubuntu -, /no/ other DE beat it! It works perfectly, it rocks a lot, it's the best desktop environment I ever used. Configuration is so flexible and easy so you can make it look as you like. What a jewel! On 2024-07-02 14:22, ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:

Felix Miata via tde-users wrote: Most of us used KDE3. I have used KDE2 first, tried Gnome2 around 2001 and went back to KDE2 right before it released KDE3, which was a big improvement to KDE2. Since then (2002) I've been using KDE3. I had some issues with internationalization, which I fixed after I finished my thesis at the university. After KDE4 release (Jan.2008) many of us were so disappointed that Timothy Pearson decided to start the TDE project together with just a handful of other developers and maintainers. The rest of us just followed, because there was no way out of the desktop disaster that was imposed to the users back then (Suddenly KDE4 was not usable and Gnome was ugly and fragile, while KDE3 was left behind). I think one of the reasons was also the attitude of the new KDE4 developers. Especially in the past few years we observe a growing number of people willing and ready to contribute. I think there were about 5-6 contributors around 2011 and now there are 20-30. It is still not enough to make a big progress, but my impression is that things are moving forward much faster. Especially Slavek and Michele deserve a lot of respect for what they have been doing all those years. BR

said deloptes via tde-users: | Felix Miata via tde-users wrote: | > I suppose this means you were a Kubuntu user until TDE was forked | > (began existence) from KDE3 ~14 years ago. | | Most of us used KDE3. I have used KDE2 first, tried Gnome2 around 2001 | and went back to KDE2 right before it released KDE3, which was a big | improvement to KDE2. Since then (2002) I've been using KDE3. I had some | issues with internationalization, which I fixed after I finished my | thesis at the university. | After KDE4 release (Jan.2008) many of us were so disappointed that | Timothy Pearson decided to start the TDE project together with just a | handful of other developers and maintainers. The rest of us just | followed, because there was no way out of the desktop disaster that was | imposed to the users back then (Suddenly KDE4 was not usable and Gnome | was ugly and fragile, while KDE3 was left behind). I think one of the | reasons was also the attitude of the new KDE4 developers. | Especially in the past few years we observe a growing number of people | willing and ready to contribute. I think there were about 5-6 | contributors around 2011 and now there are 20-30. It is still not enough | to make a big progress, but my impression is that things are moving | forward much faster. Especially Slavek and Michele deserve a lot of | respect for what they have been doing all those years. I installed KDE-1.0 the day it was released. Wrote a book about it. (https://www.amazon.com/Practical-KDE-Dennis-Powell/dp/078972216X) Recompiled it daily, or at least several times a week, for years. The devs got the snotty attitude during the kde-2.x days, but the product was good. KMail was great. It was a pretty replacement for XFMail. It's still great. Occasionally a little cranky, but sorted easily enough. Like many of us, I stuck with KDE-3.x when KDE-4 was the disaster it was and that KDE has continued to be. The only thing well-maintained is the attitude, now with added big announcements never realized (example: Plasma Bigscreen, announced years ago but still not good for anything.) The current KDE philosophyseems to be making everything as unnecessarily complicated as possible. my favorite example is adding an application to Kicker. in TDE, you drag it to Kicker. The end. In current "Plasma," you have to jump through all kinds of hoops that are not guaranteed to work and that run the risk of destroying the entire panel. I personally do not want to have to back up my system before daring to try to add an application to the launcher. It is sadlly funny how from time to time someone installs TDE and immediately complains here that it is not something else. If something else worked better for me, I would use something else. But in my experience, TDE is unsurpassed at running non-TDE applications, so if I need some non-TDE app I can run it with no problem with TDE. No problem running current Kdenlive, for instance. This could be a kind of diminished expectation -- I started with DOS-2.1 running PowerMenu. I now have, on tablet and phone, mail and messaging applications in which I had to turn off things like "suggest reply." Yes, there are other desktops that have more bells and whistles, and if ringing and whistling are what one is after, TDE is probably not for that person. But it is difficult not to get a little cross when we hear "why isn't TDE more like . . ." even as it is a little annoying when newbs arrive shouting about the flavor-of-the-month Linux distribution, which probably won't exist in a year or two. If TDE stopped being developed, that would be a tragedy, because it would mean that in five years or so I might have to start thinking about a new desktop. -- dep Pictures: http://www.ipernity.com/doc/depscribe/album Column: https://ofb.biz/author/dep/

On Tuesday 02 July 2024 20:40:32 midi-pascal via tde-users wrote: Fantasctic ! I'm not alone, long live to TDE-Trinity ! Without forgetting a very great thank to the team who manages this extraordinary office so well. Now TDE-Trinity has far surpassed KDE, a great feat, an old KDE3 that has become very modern. I was really disappointed when KDE3 became KDE4, and I was not alone. André

On Tue July 2 2024 11:22:26 ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote: Ah shucks. Looking back at my saved package configs it seems I missed Tim's first TDE 3.5.11 in April 2010. But 3.5.12 came out in October 2010. I started using it December 22nd 2010 and registered for Tim's bugzilla on the 26th. This was of course due to Debian Squeeze 6.0, which became stable in February 2011 and dropped support for KDE3. Before KDE3 I had used Gnome in the old free Redhat and before that Enlightenment and before that probably text mode in Slackware from 1995 to 1997. Along the way there were brief excursions into Fedora, Ubuntu, and Devuan. Around 1990 I had used Xenix and SunOS for a while and back in the early 80's it was Unix System III. My favorite years of software development were on various kinds of Lisp machines but my favorite desktop environment is TDE. TDE KMail is my favorite mail client. Favorite non-TDE tools include Firefox, LibreOffice, GnuCash, and QtCreator. --Mike

On Tue July 2 2024 13:16:14 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote: The windowing system was not dissimilar to TDE or any other modern windowing system except there's little awareness of any filesystem. You're basically editing and compiling in Emacs all the time. Everything you do becomes live instantly. (Reproducible builds were not a thing!) Normally when you turned the machine off it was just suspending and you would later resume in the same virtual image. You only actually booted from a clean image maybe once a year. --Mike

On Tue, 2 Jul 2024, CHRIS M via tde-users wrote: I use "reply to all", then I don't have this problem. I have plasma installed along TDE. Maybe kmail requires the basic plasma installation to work correctly. Gianluca ----------------------------------------------------- Gianluca Interlandi, PhD gianluca(a)u.washington.edu +1 (206) 685 4435 http://gianluca.today/research/ Department of Bioengineering University of Washington, Seattle WA U.S.A. -----------------------------------------------------

CHRIS M via tde-users wrote: Chris, We've been through this already and the fact that you can not configure kmail or have some other issues, does not mean it is not working well or whatever. I have been following your posts and I have an impression that you have not used TDE for too long and compare TDE to other desktops. I have been using it since KDE3 came out ... I guess it was around 2002 ... so ... I am really sorry for your misfortune, but everything in TDE works better than KDE, despite the fact that this or that feature is missing. Particularly, I am heavily using Kontact - the whole PIM (KMail, KOrganizer, KNotes, KNode etc.) for all those years. I sync via Bluetooth my phone and keep my life going without a single issue. KDE - Akonadi or whatever replaced it is a disaster, overbloat to me - the main reason not to use KDE. So spare us the critics and the negative publicity, please. Try to be more balanced based on what you have learned and how you have been treated on the list, I think you are a bit too negative. BR

On 7/3/24 12:31 PM, CHRIS M via tde-users wrote: I've been online for close to 40 years. Before that I managed long distance conversations with dead trees and pens. I worked a few decades as a technical writer. Conversing through the written word is challenging and requires patience. Add different backgrounds, cultures, languages, etc., and these conversations grow more challenging, requiring more patience. I think the TDE community is sufficiently active to keep TDE alive for a long time. The MATE, Xfce, Cinnamon, and Enlightenment communities are similar. Then there are all of the many window managers that have been around since the 1980s and 1990s. TDE is doing fine, but I agree that meaningful conversation is needed in any relationship. With a limited number of developers, the best that mortal users can do is ask questions and file feature requests. I think a big challenge is many TDE users are "traditional desktop" users and do not need or want many so-called modern features. For example, I do not use gmail, social media, online streaming services, company email, etc. I refuse to own a smart phone. What many people might consider missing features are mostly shoulder shrugs for me. Conversely, I'm a dinosaur and many young people today don't give a hoot what I don't need or want. Many such users seldom use an actual PC. For many people, smart phones are their soma and when they use PCs they expect a similar experience. So grumpy old men like me are irrelevant, but I think many TDE users want a traditional desktop experience and are not much motivated by the "latest and greatest." I use KDE 5 and TDE, but I spent much time configuring KDE and TDE to act like a traditional desktop with few bells and whistles. Lots of features disabled, removing unnecessary packages, etc. Many people would find my desktop configuration boring. I don't use window managers because of the additional effort required to create a comfortable look and feel. A basic DE avoids those efforts. My point is wanting new "modern" features is going to happen only if there are motivated developers. A low number of developers and users does not mean TDE is dead, just that TDE is kind of like that proverbial old pair of jeans that just fit and are comfortable.

On Wednesday 03 July 2024 01:57:13 PM (-05:00), E. Liddell via tde-users wrote: other ever Okay, What is a RFE? And how do I file it? I am eager to learn. I've never figured out how to file bug reports. The only way I know to file them is when the OS pops up and says " OOPS, XXXX CRASHED, DO YOU WANT TO SEND A REPORT IN?" And usually I hit YES. I didn't realize my email program (claws-mail) had it Claws Mail <3 My top clients would be: Evolution, then Claws, then KMAIL. Chris -- Sent with Vivaldi Mail. Download Vivaldi for free at vivaldi.com

On Wed, 03 Jul 2024 20:00:08 +0000 CHRIS M via tde-users &lt;users(a)trinitydesktop.org&gt; wrote: It stands for Request For Enhancement. You'll need an account with the TDE gitea server. https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/user/login Once you have that, log in, click on "Issues" at the top left, then "TDE/tdepim" in the list down the left side (since kmail is part of that component), then "New Issue" on the upper right. This will give you a form. Fill it out. Since this is an RFE, it would be nice to prefix the title with "RFE" or "Wishlist" or something, so that the development team knows it's a new feature and not a broken existing one. You can also set the "SL/Wishlist" label, if you like. In "Steps to Reproduce", you can describe where you think your new option should logically be located. The rest should hopefully be straightforward. Formal bug filing is done in the same way. Claws does what I need it to do and doesn't intrude otherwise—much like TDE. I tried out three or four different mail clients when I moved from Windows to Linux ~19 years ago, and ended up with sylpheed, then the claws fork. E. Liddell

On Wed, Jul 3, 2024, at 3:44 PM, Riley Bell via tde-users wrote: I wasn't trying to, I just giving my opinion, and trying to help out.

On Wednesday 03 July 2024 00:42:07 Darrell Anderson via tde-users wrote: For me : no KDE KMail and TDE together ! (even for an application KDE and TDE together). It is not recommended to use both, TDE and KDE together, it's either one OR the other (exclusive OR). If we use both, we create blocking incidents on both desktops, and even if we only use KDE-Kmail under TDE-Trinity. If this is the case, we destabilize the TDE applications, crash reports guaranteed, with extinction of windows and obligation to at least rebooting the TDE session, more rarely to have to reboot the computer. André

On Wednesday 03 July 2024 05:07:03 AM (-05:00), ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote: " Blocking Incidents"??? What does that mean? Chris-- Sent with Vivaldi Mail. Download Vivaldi for free at vivaldi.com

On Wednesday 03 July 2024 01:27:03 PM (-05:00), ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote: Ahh, Crashes. Chris-- Sent with Vivaldi Mail. Download Vivaldi for free at vivaldi.com

On 7/3/24 2:22 PM, Mike Bird via tde-users wrote: Good point. That reminded me of my employment days along with using multiple email addresses. I had oodles of such filters in TDE KMail. These days life is a bit more serene and I need only a few filters. :)

On 7/2/24 10:34 AM, CHRIS M via tde-users wrote: I don't see where Riley said anything about KMail. Blows away how? KDE KMail forces users to run a database in the background (akonadi). That sole design "pillar" is the primary reason I do not use KDE PIM tools.

On Tuesday 02 July 2024 03:24:07 pm Darrell Anderson via tde-users wrote: I just got the impression that Qt5 is needed for a Webkit implementation from the RoadMap page on the Wiki. Some embedded HTML pages (like opening tabs in akregator or searching through ktorrent) load unbearably slow and I imagine Webkit can fix that. qt5ct is a front-end for qt5-gtk2-platformtheme. There are some wonky styling issues but I think it's tolerable for a unified style. I imagine it would be better using a native qt5 style plugin. File dialogs in GTK2 apps can look native with kgtk-qt3-trinity but has issues with GIMP (which is weird because the code has some hacks specifically for GIMP, probably an older version?) and Palemoon (my preferred browser). As for GTK3 and flatpaks I look forward to the xdg-desktop-portal implementation. I haven't coded in a while and prefer C but I've always been a "learn as I go" person - starting with small projects and working my way up to larger goals. I feel motivated to learn something new and in the meantime improve the software I use and love. Sincerely, ------------------------------------------------- This free account was provided by VFEmail.net - report spam to abuse(a)vfemail.net ONLY AT VFEmail! - Use our Metadata Mitigator to keep your email out of the NSA's hands! $24.95 ONETIME Lifetime accounts with Privacy Features! 15GB disk! No bandwidth quotas! Commercial and Bulk Mail Options!