2 Sep
2022
2 Sep
'22
9:37 p.m.
It looks like OpenSuSE has decided to deprecate Leap, their long-term stable release,
possibly in favour of Tumbleweed, their rolling release (they're being very coy about
what will replace Leap). Trinity runs on numerous other Linuxes; which would be best for
someone like me who values stability over gee-whiz features and eye-candy?
Leslie
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2 Sep
2 Sep
9:44 p.m.
On Fri September 2 2022 14:37:42 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
It looks like OpenSuSE has decided to deprecate Leap,
their long-term
stable release, possibly in favour of Tumbleweed, their rolling release
(they're being very coy about what will replace Leap). Trinity runs on
numerous other Linuxes; which would be best for someone like me who values
stability over gee-whiz features and eye-candy?
In the past I've deployed Slackware, Fedora, Redhat, and Devuan.
I'm currently using Debian Stable so you can consider that a recommendation.
(I'm also using sysvinit instead of systemd.)
--Mike
10:13 p.m.
On 2022-09-02 16:44:48 Mike Bird wrote:
On Fri September 2 2022 14:37:42 J Leslie Turriff
wrote:
All right, thanks for your feedback.
Leslie
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tde-config: 1.0
It looks like OpenSuSE has decided to deprecate
Leap, their long-term
stable release, possibly in favour of Tumbleweed, their rolling release
(they're being very coy about what will replace Leap). Trinity runs on
numerous other Linuxes; which would be best for someone like me who
values stability over gee-whiz features and eye-candy?
In the past I've deployed Slackware, Fedora, Redhat, and Devuan.
I'm currently using Debian Stable so you can consider that a
recommendation.
(I'm also using sysvinit instead of systemd.)
--Mike
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9:46 p.m.
Hi Leslie,
It looks like OpenSuSE has decided to deprecate
Leap, their
long-term stable release, possibly in favour of Tumbleweed, their
rolling release
Are you saying OpenSUSE 15.4 will be the last stable non-rolling release?
Can you please point me to where you read this?
Trinity runs on numerous other Linuxes
Does Trinity not run on OpenSUSE Tumbleweed?
Thanks!
Gianluca
On Fri, 2 Sep 2022, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
It looks like OpenSuSE has decided to deprecate Leap,
their long-term stable release,
possibly in favour of Tumbleweed, their rolling release (they're being very coy
about
what will replace Leap). Trinity runs on numerous other Linuxes; which would be best
for
someone like me who values stability over gee-whiz features and eye-candy?
Leslie
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9:59 p.m.
I found the following thread:
https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/571160-The-future-of-OpenSUSE-Le…
https://www.reddit.com/r/openSUSE/comments/upse7b/future_of_leap_alp_etc/
Gianluca
On Fri, 2 Sep 2022, Gianluca Interlandi wrote:
Hi Leslie,
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It looks like OpenSuSE has decided to
deprecate Leap, their long-term
stable release, possibly in favour of Tumbleweed, their rolling release
Are you saying OpenSUSE 15.4 will be the last stable non-rolling release? Can
you please point me to where you read this?
Trinity runs on numerous other Linuxes
Does Trinity not run on OpenSUSE Tumbleweed?
Thanks!
Gianluca
On Fri, 2 Sep 2022, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
It looks like OpenSuSE has decided to deprecate
Leap, their long-term
stable release,
possibly in favour of Tumbleweed, their rolling release (they're being very
coy about
what will replace Leap). Trinity runs on numerous other Linuxes; which
would be best for
someone like me who values stability over gee-whiz features and eye-candy?
Leslie
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TDE: R14.0.12
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10:11 p.m.
On 2022-09-02 16:46:53 Gianluca Interlandi wrote:
Certainly, but a rolling release is
not what I consider really stable. :-)
Hi Leslie,
Actually, 15.5 will apparently be the last Leap.
It looks like OpenSuSE has decided to
deprecate Leap, their
long-term stable release, possibly in favour of Tumbleweed, their
rolling release
Are you saying OpenSUSE 15.4 will be the last stable non-rolling release?
Can you please point me to where you read this?
A thread on users(a)lists.opensuse.org titled "The future of Leap".
Trinity runs on numerous other Linuxes
Does Trinity not run on OpenSUSE Tumbleweed?
Thanks!
Gianluca
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10:39 p.m.
Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2022-09-02 14:46 (UTC-0700):
Does Trinity not run on OpenSUSE Tumbleweed?
It does, but as a rolling release it doesn't qualify as what most people consider
"stable".
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9:49 p.m.
said J Leslie Turriff:
| It looks like OpenSuSE has decided to deprecate Leap, their long-term
| stable release, possibly in favour of Tumbleweed, their rolling release
| (they're being very coy about what will replace Leap). Trinity runs on
| numerous other Linuxes; which would be best for someone like me who
| values stability over gee-whiz features and eye-candy?
I've had good success with the Ubuntu LTS releases. I typically upgrade
once every two years, in the odd-numbered year, ie., next spring I'll
upgrade to 2204-LTS. Generally they get the kinks worked out in a year.
And if something goes really wrong and a release is crap, the version I'm
using has several more years of support.
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10:13 p.m.
On 2022-09-02 16:49:37 dep wrote:
said J Leslie Turriff:
| It looks like OpenSuSE has decided to deprecate Leap, their long-term
| stable release, possibly in favour of Tumbleweed, their rolling release
| (they're being very coy about what will replace Leap). Trinity runs on
| numerous other Linuxes; which would be best for someone like me who
| values stability over gee-whiz features and eye-candy?
I've had good success with the Ubuntu LTS releases. I typically upgrade
once every two years, in the odd-numbered year, ie., next spring I'll
upgrade to 2204-LTS. Generally they get the kinks worked out in a year.
And if something goes really wrong and a release is crap, the version I'm
using has several more years of support.
--
dep
All right, thanks for your feedback.
Leslie
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10:07 p.m.
J Leslie Turriff composed on 2022-09-02 16:37 (UTC-0500):
It looks like OpenSuSE has decided to deprecate Leap,
their long-term stable release,
possibly in favour of Tumbleweed, their rolling release (they're being very coy
about
what will replace Leap).
Prior to Leap, openSUSE simply used version numbers, and Factory was equivalent to
what we now know as Tumbleweed. It's my expectation that Leap expiration will
amount to little more than another name change, as when Leap was added to the
version number after 13.2 release, "leaping" over v14.x to 15.0. In any event,
15.5 /will/ follow 15.4, and remain supported until the end of 2024 at least.
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10:40 p.m.
On Friday 02 September 2022 14:37:42 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
It looks like OpenSuSE has decided to deprecate Leap,
their long-term
stable release, possibly in favour of Tumbleweed, their rolling release
(they're being very coy about what will replace Leap). Trinity runs on
numerous other Linuxes; which would be best for someone like me who values
stability over gee-whiz features and eye-candy?
Leslie
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Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.4 x86_64
Desktop Environment: Trinity
Qt: 3.5.0
TDE: R14.0.12
tde-config: 1.0
Even though you've already got several responses, I will add my recommendation
for Devuan or Debian. Having gone through PC Linux, Kubuntu (or variations of
other 'Buntus), as well as trying out dozens of other distros, I like exactly
that about Debian; that it's stable, doesn't change much (unless really
necessary), and you get to make your own eye-candy.
And now, Devuan has become even more true to the Debian philosophy than Debian
itself, and I find that I spend less time maintaining my system, so that I
can use it for other things in real life. I don't want to become a slave to
the machines.
However ... I always do keep an eye out for some new distro that may have
something better to offer. I keep wanting to run Whonix, but I first I need
to find a better place to live. So then, back to Devuan, which is simple and
just works.
Bill
3 Sep
3 Sep
5:21 a.m.
On 2022-09-02 17:40:24 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Friday 02 September 2022 14:37:42 J Leslie Turriff
wrote:
Thanks for your input, Bill.
Leslie
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It looks like OpenSuSE has decided to deprecate
Leap, their long-term
stable release, possibly in favour of Tumbleweed, their rolling release
(they're being very coy about what will replace Leap). Trinity runs on
numerous other Linuxes; which would be best for someone like me who
values stability over gee-whiz features and eye-candy?
Leslie
--
Operating System: Linux
Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.4 x86_64
Desktop Environment: Trinity
Qt: 3.5.0
TDE: R14.0.12
tde-config: 1.0
Even though you've already got several responses, I will add my
recommendation for Devuan or Debian. Having gone through PC Linux, Kubuntu
(or variations of other 'Buntus), as well as trying out dozens of other
distros, I like exactly that about Debian; that it's stable, doesn't change
much (unless really necessary), and you get to make your own eye-candy.
And now, Devuan has become even more true to the Debian philosophy than
Debian itself, and I find that I spend less time maintaining my system, so
that I can use it for other things in real life. I don't want to become a
slave to the machines.
However ... I always do keep an eye out for some new distro that may have
something better to offer. I keep wanting to run Whonix, but I first I need
to find a better place to live. So then, back to Devuan, which is simple
and just works.
Bill 
1:55 p.m.
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On 2022-09-02 17:40:24 William Morder via tde-users
wrote:
> I like exactly that about
> Debian; that it's stable, doesn't change much (unless really
> necessary), and you get to make your own eye-candy.
I agree with this. I run Debian, have for 27 years. Since TDE came out
I have copied the .trinity directories to new systems and TDE has
worked exactly the same way on every subsequent machine.
Once working, they just work. If a Debian version upgrade is required,
it upgrades in place and unless I know what to look for I can't tell
it's been done.
Ok, the last version (Debian 11) did bring a new LibreOffice, and this
LibreOffice doesn't read the TDE environment variables anymore, so
LibreOffice is no longer using my preferred window colors.
TDE continues to work.
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4:59 p.m.
On Saturday 03 September 2022 06:55:45 Curt Howland wrote:
Ok, the last version (Debian 11) did bring a new LibreOffice, and this
LibreOffice doesn't read the TDE environment variables anymore, so
LibreOffice is no longer using my preferred window colors.
Yeah ... [gghrrrrrrhrrr]
LibreOrifice not only doesn't read my TDE environment and won't use my
preferred window colors (and font sizes in the gui), but ALSO --
Just yesterday I got a surprise pop-up asking for donations. Bad enough, but I
could click to close them, and I figure that everybody needs money,
everybody's doing it, blah-blah-blah.
And then, when I switched over to my browser, I find that LibreOrifice had
opened up a browser tab, trying to follow a redirect to some page where I
could make said donations.
I really would like to go back to OpenOffice, which used to work. I don't like
how these newer programs or new releases of old programs have started to
disregard our privacy, or basic system settings. (I don't allow any programs
to do that kind of thing.)
TDE, however, continues to work pretty much without bother, and Devuan/Debian
just works, and they go well together.
Bill
5:15 p.m.
said William Morder via tde-users:
| I really would like to go back to OpenOffice, which used to work. I
| don't like how these newer programs or new releases of old programs have
| started to disregard our privacy, or basic system settings. (I don't
| allow any programs to do that kind of thing.)
Frankly, I liked Star Office!
But, hey, we always have fallbacks: KWord and Calligra!
(I keep my TextMaker updated, though this is mostly because of some
carefully constructed label templates from the earliest months of the
millennium and because the Linux folk occasionally release some new
library or other that breaks TextMaker.)
And yeah, something flaky has been going on with LibreOffice lately. I
wonder if it will turn into ransomware . . .
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5:17 p.m.
said dep:
| Frankly, I liked Star Office!
And truth be known, ApplixWare was non-awful.
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6:28 p.m.
New subject: Libre Office [WAS: Most stable platform to run Trinity on?]
On Sat, 3 Sep 2022, dep wrote:
said dep:
| Frankly, I liked Star Office!
And truth be known, ApplixWare was non-awful.
I still have a working copy of WordStar 6.0 on my linux workstation.
Jonesy
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6:39 p.m.
New subject: Libre Office [WAS: Most stable platform to run Trinity on?]
said Marvin Jones via tde-users:
| On Sat, 3 Sep 2022, dep wrote:
| >said dep:
| >| Frankly, I liked Star Office!
| >
| >And truth be known, ApplixWare was non-awful.
|
| I still have a working copy of WordStar 6.0 on my linux workstation.
I have the CDs, etc., for WordPerfect/Linux, which never didn't suck. OTOH,
I have installed on this very machine Word 6/DOS and Textra/DOS. (There is
a non-stunt reason: occasionally I happen upon old files written in those,
and I need to export 'em to RTF to make 'em readable. Though both of them
were excellent word crunchers. Wish there were a decent Linux text-based
word processor. And no, EMACS does not fit the bill. EMACS was developed
so basement dwellers could write love notes to the girlfriends they would
never have. Today's incels think they're something new. Ah. but I
digress . . .)
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7:24 p.m.
New subject: Libre Office [WAS: Most stable platform to run Trinity on?]
On Saturday 03 September 2022 11:39:18 dep wrote:
said Marvin Jones via tde-users:
| On Sat, 3 Sep 2022, dep wrote:
| >said dep:
| >| Frankly, I liked Star Office!
| >
| >And truth be known, ApplixWare was non-awful.
|
| I still have a working copy of WordStar 6.0 on my linux workstation.
I have the CDs, etc., for WordPerfect/Linux, which never didn't suck. OTOH,
I have installed on this very machine Word 6/DOS and Textra/DOS. (There is
a non-stunt reason: occasionally I happen upon old files written in those,
and I need to export 'em to RTF to make 'em readable. Though both of them
were excellent word crunchers. Wish there were a decent Linux text-based
word processor. And no, EMACS does not fit the bill. EMACS was developed
so basement dwellers could write love notes to the girlfriends they would
never have. Today's incels think they're something new. Ah. but I
digress . . .)
--
dep
I don't recall that WordPerfect was so terrible; but then, I wasn't running
Linux back then. I believe that was on a Commodore Amiga 64, and also on an
old Mac Classic II (with 80 mb hard drive!). But also, I was just using it as
a fancy typewriter, basic writing and editing, made easier by tools like cut
and copy-paste, etc.
My brief stint with M$ Windows got me acquainted with Word, and that's when I
learned that nowadays we can "buy" something (like a word processing program)
but not really "own" it, not like owning an actual book, but that I had in
fact purchased a five-year license to use that software. That, and other
similar experiences, led me to Linux.
Nowadays I do much more layout, to create print-ready pdfs; the idea being to
be able to turn my manuscript(s) directly into a book, or at least to provide
a sample of how I would like it to look. I could never do that kind of thing,
I imagine, with WordStar and those old programs, but I do miss the
simplicity. And if they were somehow brought more up-to-date with modern word
processors like LibreOffice, that sounds like a nice dream, but I doubt that
we'll see anything like it. I think reforming OpenOffice and/or LibreOffice
are probably more realistic and achievable; or at least we can hope for
another fork from one of them.
Bill
4 Sep
4 Sep
12:48 a.m.
On Sat, Sep 03, 2022 at 09:59:27AM -0700, William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Just yesterday I got a surprise pop-up asking for
donations. Bad enough, but I
could click to close them, and I figure that everybody needs money,
everybody's doing it, blah-blah-blah.
https://superuser.com/questions/1708502/how-to-disable-the-built-in-adverti…
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4 Sep
4 Sep
12:05 a.m.
On 2022-09-03 08:55:45 Curt Howland wrote:
Thanks for your input.
Leslie
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On 2022-09-02
17:40:24 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
> I like exactly that about
> Debian; that it's stable, doesn't change much (unless really
> necessary), and you get to make your own eye-candy.
I agree with this. I run Debian, have for 27 years. Since TDE came out
I have copied the .trinity directories to new systems and TDE has
worked exactly the same way on every subsequent machine.
Once working, they just work. If a Debian version upgrade is required,
it upgrades in place and unless I know what to look for I can't tell
it's been done.
Ok, the last version (Debian 11) did bring a new LibreOffice, and this
LibreOffice doesn't read the TDE environment variables anymore, so
LibreOffice is no longer using my preferred window colors.
TDE continues to work. 
3 Sep
3 Sep
5:23 p.m.
I use tumble weed its mostly the same.
On Fri, Sep 2, 2022, 2:38 PM J Leslie Turriff <jlturriff(a)mail.com> wrote:
It looks like OpenSuSE has decided to
deprecate Leap, their
long-term stable release,
possibly in favour of Tumbleweed, their rolling release (they're being
very coy about
what will replace Leap). Trinity runs on numerous other Linuxes; which
would be best for
someone like me who values stability over gee-whiz features and eye-candy?
Leslie
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