14 Aug
2018
14 Aug
'18
11:49 a.m.
Hello all,
That's probably not a Trinity problem, but I'd love to solve it under Trinity.
I recently ordered a double CD with music from Albinoni (not that he has
anything to do with my problem).
When I inserted the CD it mounted and, to my amazement, I saw that there were
directories with compresed files, including ogg-vorbis files (which is the
format I store my music in).
However, the amazement was short-lived. All these files have names as:
Albinoni, Tomaso - 01 - Concerto No. 1 for Violin in B flat major, Op. 9%2F1:
1. Allegro.ogg
And konqueror does not manage to copy them.
I can rip them with k3b, but I find it frustrating that the files are there
and I can't use them :)
Thierry
14 Aug
14 Aug
12:05 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Is there a way to copy weird named files form Konqueror?
Linux use a \ as an escape character what that means is when you are trying
to copy a character that Linux doesn't understand you precede it by the \
like \? this is best described by others like the description by the
following site
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/299667/how-to-deal-with-characters…
The ? is a special character that has significance in bash, You can work
with it by escaping it with \
ie:
touch test\?
will make the file:
test?
and you can move it with
mv test\? /new/loction/test\?
Edit: The same for any special character, such as .
You also need it for file names that contain spaces
this is a file
would have to be moved with:
mv this\ is\ a\ file <location>
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 2:49 PM, Thierry de Coulon <tcoulon(a)decoulon.ch>
wrote:
Hello all,
That's probably not a Trinity problem, but I'd love to solve it under
Trinity.
I recently ordered a double CD with music from Albinoni (not that he has
anything to do with my problem).
When I inserted the CD it mounted and, to my amazement, I saw that there
were
directories with compresed files, including ogg-vorbis files (which is the
format I store my music in).
However, the amazement was short-lived. All these files have names as:
Albinoni, Tomaso - 01 - Concerto No. 1 for Violin in B flat major, Op.
9%2F1:
1. Allegro.ogg
And konqueror does not manage to copy them.
I can rip them with k3b, but I find it frustrating that the files are
there
and I can't use them :)
Thierry
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12:55 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Is there a way to copy weird named files form Konqueror?
On Tuesday 14 August 2018 21.05:47 Pisini, John wrote:
Linux use a \ as an escape character what that means
is when you are trying
to copy a character that Linux doesn't understand you precede it by the \
like \? this is best described by others like the description by the
(...)
mv this\ is\ a\ file <location>
Yes, and Thanks, but this would mean that I
a) can ccess the folder at the command line (which, for a reason I have not
yet cleared, does not seem to work)
b) mv each file by hand, escaping all problem elements in teh file name
In that case, ripping and re-encoding all the tracks is much, much easier :)
Thierry
1 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Is there a way to copy weird named files form Konqueror?
What File manager are you using? Kong was great in it's day but it doesn't
handle a lot of things now.
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 3:55 PM, Thierry de Coulon <tcoulon(a)decoulon.ch>
wrote:
On Tuesday 14 August 2018 21.05:47 Pisini, John
wrote:
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Linux use a \ as an escape character what that
means is when you are
trying
to copy a character that Linux doesn't
understand you precede it by the \
like \? this is best described by others like the description by the
(...)
mv this\ is\ a\ file <location>
Yes, and Thanks, but this would mean that I
a) can ccess the folder at the command line (which, for a reason I have
not
yet cleared, does not seem to work)
b) mv each file by hand, escaping all problem elements in teh file name
In that case, ripping and re-encoding all the tracks is much, much easier
:)
Thierry
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3:11 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Is there a way to copy weird named files form Konqueror?
On Tuesday 14 August 2018 22.00:52 Pisini, John wrote:
What File manager are you using? Kong was great in
it's day but it doesn't
handle a lot of things now.
Yes, I'm using Konqueror. It's one of the main reasons why I use TDE. This is
the first time I've got a "problem" with it and I have never found a
filemanager that is better.
Thierry
1 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Is there a way to copy weird named files form Konqueror?
On Tuesday 14 August 2018 02:05:47 pm Pisini, John wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 2:49 PM, Thierry de Coulon
<tcoulon(a)decoulon.ch>
> However, the amazement was short-lived. All these
files have names as:
>
> Albinoni, Tomaso - 01 - Concerto No. 1 for Violin in B flat major, Op.
> 9%2F1:
> 1. Allegro.ogg
>
> And konqueror does not manage to copy them.
Linux use a \ as an escape character what that means
is when you are trying
to copy a character that Linux doesn't understand you precede it by the \
like \? this is best described by others like the description by the
following site
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/299667/how-to-deal-with-characters
-like-or-that-make-invalid-filenames
The ? is a special character that has significance in bash, You can work
with it by escaping it with \
ie:
touch test\?
will make the file:
test?
and you can move it with
mv test\? /new/loction/test\?
Edit: The same for any special character, such as .
You also need it for file names that contain spaces
this is a file
would have to be moved with:
mv this\ is\ a\ file <location>
Hi Thierry,
Use either the command line to individually copy the files or a script to copy
all of them.
Command line:
cd {to wherever one is stored}
cp Alb{Tab}
Hitting Tab will fill in as much as possible including escaping with \. Play
with it until you get the whole file name after the cp. Then add your
destination directory, or destination directory and new file name.
Bash script (Single quotes and double quotes)
#!/bin/bash
DestDir="/home/user/destdir"
mkdir "$DestDir"
cd {to top level directory where they are stored}
find -type f -name '*.ogg' | {
while read filename ; do
cp "$filename" "$DestDir"
done
}
=====
Here’s some other stuff to play with if you want cleanup the name etc while
copying it. (Back tics and double quotes)
while read filename ; do
echo "File $filename"
NameofFile=`basename "$filename"`
echo $NameofFile
FnLen=${#filename}
StartSFV=$FnLen-13
echo "${filename:2} ${filename:$StartSFV:8}"
echo "${NameofFile:0:2}"
done
2:17 p.m.
Thierry de Coulon wrote:
Albinoni, Tomaso - 01 - Concerto No. 1 for Violin in B
flat major, Op.
9%2F1: 1. Allegro.ogg
so is the problem "%2F1" this one here?
it translates to /1:
why is konqueror using URL encoding is the mystery here - IMO it is possibly
a bug and is worth logging it, but I don't know if it can be reproduced
easily. I think it is a bug, because the rest in the string/title you post
does not show URL encoded characters at all. It would look like
Albinoni%2C%20Tomaso%20-%2001%20-%20Concerto%20No
%201%20for%20Violin%20in%20B%20flat%20major%2C%20Op.%209%2F1%3A%201
%20Allegro.ogg ^^^^
IMO it might be bug in the converter
regards
5:18 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Is there a way to copy weird named files form Konqueror?
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 08:49:50PM +0200, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
[...]
All these files have names as:
Albinoni, Tomaso - 01 - Concerto No. 1 for Violin in B flat major, Op. 9%2F1:
1. Allegro.ogg
And konqueror does not manage to copy them.
How are you trying to copy them? What steps do you take and what happens
when you try it?
Under Linux, I see no reason why you can't copy that file. I created a
test file like this in the shell (bash):
touch "Albinoni concerto%2F1:1. Allegro.ogg"
opened my home directory in Konquorer, single-clicked on the file, typed
Ctrl-C to copy, moved to another directory and typed Ctrl-V to paste,
and the file copied fine. Unless there's a bug in your version of Konq
which mine doesn't have, it should be able to deal with file names
containing spaces, colons and percent signs easily.
If that doesn't work, do you get an explicit error message?
If so, try copying the files using bash. Open a terminal, and cd to the
directory where the CD is mounted. I don't know what that will be on
your system, but it could be something like this:
cd /media/DISK
say. You could try listing the contents of /media or /mnt to find out
for sure where the CD is mounted.
Once you have cd'ed into the right place, try viewing the files
to ensure they are real files:
ls -lh *.ogg
Assuming they aren't all zero-length, check that they're readable:
hexdump Albinoni*1.\ Allegro.ogg | less
ought to do it. If you get a screen full of hex codes like this:
0166bd0 8db8 6716 e0bd 9243 4775 6eb0 9f2c a246
0166be0 c276 8580 d85f 987e 585c fa07 bfe8 4814
0166bf0 b59a 401d 8668 830a 5b35 e56c 670a 27bf
0166c00 53a5 a55b 563b 78de b3c7 69bc 1600 83b7
it looks good. Hit the Q key to exit and try copying the files to a new
folder in your home directory:
mkdir ~/Albinoni
cp *.ogg ~/Albinoni
Do the files copy now? If not, what's the error message?
--
Steve
5:50 p.m.
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On 08/14/2018 05:18 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 08:49:50PM +0200, Thierry de
Coulon wrote:
Thierry, I renamed a file with your exact filename above, and Konqueror
copied it just fine. So I would second Steven's questions.
My Konqueror is 14.0.5.
Albinoni, Tomaso - 01 - Concerto No. 1 for Violin
in B flat major, Op. 9%2F1:
1. Allegro.ogg
And konqueror does not manage to copy them.
How are you trying to copy them? What steps do you take and what happens
when you try it? 
7:57 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Is there a way to copy weird named files form Konqueror?
On Tuesday 14 August 2018 17:50:01 Dan Youngquist wrote:
On 08/14/2018 05:18 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
I liked seeing all the command-line solutions. However, a less technical way,
involving a gui, would be just to install the fuseiso9660 package &
dependencies. Then copy the CD image to your hard drive.
Open Konqueror, right-click on the image, choose "open with" and ISO9660 Image
Viewer, which will then open a new window and list the contents of the disc
in folders named
El Torito Boot
ISO9660
Joliet level 3
In these you will find the contents of the CD or DVD, and you can just copy
whatever items you want from that folder to your destination.
Bill
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 08:49:50PM +0200, Thierry
de Coulon wrote:
Thierry, I renamed a file with your exact filename above, and Konqueror
copied it just fine. So I would second Steven's questions.
My Konqueror is 14.0.5.
Albinoni, Tomaso - 01 - Concerto No. 1 for Violin
in B flat major, Op.
9%2F1: 1. Allegro.ogg
And konqueror does not manage to copy them.
How are you trying to copy them? What steps do you take and what happens
when you try it?
15 Aug
15 Aug
12:37 a.m.
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On Wednesday 15 August 2018 04.57:10 William Morder wrote:
I liked seeing all the command-line solutions.
However, a less technical
way, involving a gui, would be just to install the fuseiso9660 package &
dependencies. Then copy the CD image to your hard drive.
I don't manage to make a copy, I get an "input/output" error from dd. k3b
also
fails to copy.
I can't mount it either, mount says it can't read the superblock.
Just clicking on the CD icon on the desktop works however. Konqueror says
media:/sr0, I can get there with the command line but ls -a shows only .
and ..
Yet konquerors shows files and directories.
I guess some CD protection is at work there, although why they would protect a
CD and at the same time provide you with all sorts of soud files evades my
logic.
Thierry
5:26 a.m.
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On Wednesday 15 August 2018 00:37:10 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 04.57:10 William Morder
wrote:
Have you installed libdvdcss2 and libdvdread4 ? This usually applies more to
DVDs than CDs, but perhaps it will crack the nut. I realize that getting
these packages is problematic if you live in "certain places"; however, I
believe that they are available in the VideoLAN repositories, as well as in
deb-multimedia and MEPIS / mx /antiX repositories.
#########
# https://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html
## VideoLan - VLC
# https://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html
# wget -O - http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/videolan-apt.asc | sudo
apt-key add -
# libdvdcss is available through Git or by browsing the releases.
# Git checkout
# $ git clone http://code.videolan.org/videolan/libdvdcss.git
deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/stable/ /
deb-src http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/stable/ /
#########
Change *debian* and *stable* according to your own distribution, of course.
Better to get these lines from the website itself.
I liked seeing all the command-line solutions.
However, a less technical
way, involving a gui, would be just to install the fuseiso9660 package &
dependencies. Then copy the CD image to your hard drive.
I don't manage to make a copy, I get an "input/output" error from dd. k3b
also fails to copy.
I can't mount it either, mount says it can't read the superblock.
I don't think you need to mount the image as such, if it is already copied to
your hard drive. Just open with fuse9660, and Konqueror will treat it like
any other folder, and you should just be able to copy the files from the CD
image folders
Just clicking on the CD icon on the desktop works
however. Konqueror says
media:/sr0, I can get there with the command line but ls -a shows only .
and ..
Yet konquerors shows files and directories.
If you try to open the CD itself like this, it won't work (as I recall). You
must first copy the disc image to your hard drive, then open the image as if
it is a folder in Konqueror using fuse9660.
I guess some CD protection is at work there, although
why they would
protect a CD and at the same time provide you with all sorts of soud files
evades my logic.
Thierry
It could be that the newer DRM prevents this kind of copying. I have seen CDs
like you describe before, with wav files as well as mp3s and ogg, all
contained in folders in the CD structure, but I was able to copy them using
fuse with no problem. These were older CDs, though, and I must admit that all
my CDs have been in storage for a couple years now, so in the meanwhile
things might have changed for the worse.
You might try opening Konqueror as root:
tdesu konqueror
and try this again with fuse9660.
If you still have this problem, I will get some of my own CDS, and do a little
experimentation and research to see if I can still manage this with newer
discs.
Bill
5:38 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Is there a way to copy weird named files form Konqueror?
Don't use Debian Multimedia with Jessie if you use wine it completely hoses
the sound in any wine programs.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 8:26 AM, William Morder <doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com>
wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 00:37:10 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
Have you installed libdvdcss2 and libdvdread4 ? This usually applies more
to
DVDs than CDs, but perhaps it will crack the nut. I realize that getting
these packages is problematic if you live in "certain places"; however, I
believe that they are available in the VideoLAN repositories, as well as
in
deb-multimedia and MEPIS / mx /antiX repositories.
#########
# https://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html
## VideoLan - VLC
# https://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html
# wget -O - http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/videolan-apt.asc |
sudo
apt-key add -
# libdvdcss is available through Git or by browsing the releases.
# Git checkout
# $ git clone http://code.videolan.org/videolan/libdvdcss.git
deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/stable/ /
deb-src http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/stable/ /
#########
Change *debian* and *stable* according to your own distribution, of
course.
Better to get these lines from the website itself.
--
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Systems Administrator
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On Wednesday 15 August 2018 04.57:10 William
Morder wrote:
> I liked seeing all the command-line solutions. However, a less
technical
> way, involving a gui, would be just to
install the fuseiso9660 package
&
dependencies. Then copy the CD image to your hard drive.
I don't manage to make a copy, I get an "input/output" error from dd. k3b
also fails to copy.
I can't mount it either, mount says it can't read the superblock.
I don't think you need to mount the image as such, if it is already copied
to
your hard drive. Just open with fuse9660, and Konqueror will treat it like
any other folder, and you should just be able to copy the files from the
CD
image folders
Just clicking on the CD icon on the desktop works
however. Konqueror says
media:/sr0, I can get there with the command line but ls -a shows only .
and ..
Yet konquerors shows files and directories.
If you try to open the CD itself like this, it won't work (as I recall).
You
must first copy the disc image to your hard drive, then open the image as
if
it is a folder in Konqueror using fuse9660.
I guess some CD protection is at work there,
although why they would
protect a CD and at the same time provide you with all sorts of soud
files
evades my logic.
Thierry
It could be that the newer DRM prevents this kind of copying. I have seen
CDs
like you describe before, with wav files as well as mp3s and ogg, all
contained in folders in the CD structure, but I was able to copy them
using
fuse with no problem. These were older CDs, though, and I must admit that
all
my CDs have been in storage for a couple years now, so in the meanwhile
things might have changed for the worse.
You might try opening Konqueror as root:
tdesu konqueror
and try this again with fuse9660.
If you still have this problem, I will get some of my own CDS, and do a
little
experimentation and research to see if I can still manage this with newer
discs.
Bill
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7:21 a.m.
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On Wednesday 15 August 2018 05:38:30 Pisini, John wrote:
Don't use Debian Multimedia with Jessie if you use
wine it completely hoses
the sound in any wine programs.
Better yet, don't use wine at all, as Linux usually has better software than
anything in Windoze, so I don't see why anybody would take the trouble of
trying to run wine to emulate them. But we all have different needs, so I
will try not to judge....
;-)
Myself, however, I prefer VideoLAN or the MEPIS / mx / antiX repositories. I
would use deb-multimedia as a last resort. Also you must be sure that you get
the "genuine" deb-multimedia, not the fake site and repository that somebody
else is hosting.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 8:26 AM, William Morder
<doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com>
wrote:
> On Wednesday 15 August 2018 00:37:10 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
> > On Wednesday 15 August 2018 04.57:10 William Morder wrote:
> > > I liked seeing all the command-line solutions. However, a less
>
> technical
>
> > > way, involving a gui, would be just to install the fuseiso9660
> > > package
>
> &
>
> > > dependencies. Then copy the CD image to your hard drive.
> >
> > I don't manage to make a copy, I get an "input/output" error from
dd.
> > k3b also fails to copy.
>
> Have you installed libdvdcss2 and libdvdread4 ? This usually applies more
> to
> DVDs than CDs, but perhaps it will crack the nut. I realize that getting
> these packages is problematic if you live in "certain places"; however, I
> believe that they are available in the VideoLAN repositories, as well as
> in
> deb-multimedia and MEPIS / mx /antiX repositories.
>
> #########
> # https://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html
> ## VideoLan - VLC
> # https://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html
> # wget -O - http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/videolan-apt.asc |
> sudo
> apt-key add -
> # libdvdcss is available through Git or by browsing the releases.
> # Git checkout
> # $ git clone http://code.videolan.org/videolan/libdvdcss.git
>
> deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/stable/ /
> deb-src http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/stable/ /
> #########
>
> Change *debian* and *stable* according to your own distribution, of
> course.
> Better to get these lines from the website itself.
>
> > I can't mount it either, mount says it can't read the superblock.
>
> I don't think you need to mount the image as such, if it is already
> copied to
> your hard drive. Just open with fuse9660, and Konqueror will treat it
> like any other folder, and you should just be able to copy the files from
> the CD
> image folders
>
> > Just clicking on the CD icon on the desktop works however. Konqueror
> > says media:/sr0, I can get there with the command line but ls -a shows
> > only . and ..
> >
> > Yet konquerors shows files and directories.
>
> If you try to open the CD itself like this, it won't work (as I recall).
> You
> must first copy the disc image to your hard drive, then open the image as
> if
> it is a folder in Konqueror using fuse9660.
>
> > I guess some CD protection is at work there, although why they would
> > protect a CD and at the same time provide you with all sorts of soud
>
> files
>
> > evades my logic.
> >
> > Thierry
>
> It could be that the newer DRM prevents this kind of copying. I have seen
> CDs
> like you describe before, with wav files as well as mp3s and ogg, all
> contained in folders in the CD structure, but I was able to copy them
> using
> fuse with no problem. These were older CDs, though, and I must admit that
> all
> my CDs have been in storage for a couple years now, so in the meanwhile
> things might have changed for the worse.
>
> You might try opening Konqueror as root:
> tdesu konqueror
> and try this again with fuse9660.
>
> If you still have this problem, I will get some of my own CDS, and do a
> little
> experimentation and research to see if I can still manage this with newer
> discs.
>
> Bill
>
When you open the disc image with fuse9660, you ought to see, in your location
bar at the top, a URL (?) something like this, e.g.:
iso:/media/devuan/devuan_jessie_1.0.0_i386_NETINST.iso
and then the list of folders,
El Torito Boot
ISO9660
Joliet level 3
Inside the folders, you will see your files - in your case, wav, ogg, and
maybe mp3. Some of these are duplicated from one folder to another. Once you
have opened the disc image like a folder in Konqueror, you are almost there,
as you should need only copy from one folder to your destination.
Bill
8:06 a.m.
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I can only speak for myself but I like to play games and some are Windows
only but a lot of them will run under wine. A perfect example is Doom 2016
there is no Linux client but it runs pretty well under wine and I am a huge
Doom/ID fan going back to the first release in the early 90s of Doom 1 and
even further back of the original Wolfenstein going back to the early 80s.
I don't trust Windows and I will go without a game rather than install it
to play a game but if I can get the game to run then why not? I go the
extra mile and buy Linux versions when they are available and I will write
the company and ask (nicely) for a port, I just recently bought the last
Tomb Raider as it didn't work well under wine unless you had a system much
better than mine and they didn't have a Linux client. As soon as they did
though I like the franchise and I am glad they did it is a really fun game.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:21 AM, William Morder <doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com>
wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 05:38:30 Pisini, John wrote:
Don't use Debian Multimedia with Jessie if
you use wine it completely
hoses
the sound in any wine programs.
Better yet, don't use wine at all, as Linux usually has better software
than
anything in Windoze, so I don't see why anybody would take the trouble of
trying to run wine to emulate them. But we all have different needs, so I
will try not to judge....
;-)
Myself, however, I prefer VideoLAN or the MEPIS / mx / antiX repositories.
I
would use deb-multimedia as a last resort. Also you must be sure that you
get
the "genuine" deb-multimedia, not the fake site and repository that
somebody
else is hosting.
9:24 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Is there a way to copy weird named files form Konqueror?
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 08:06:11 Pisini, John wrote:
I can only speak for myself but I like to play games
and some are Windows
only but a lot of them will run under wine. A perfect example is Doom 2016
there is no Linux client but it runs pretty well under wine and I am a huge
Doom/ID fan going back to the first release in the early 90s of Doom 1 and
even further back of the original Wolfenstein going back to the early 80s.
I don't trust Windows and I will go without a game rather than install it
to play a game but if I can get the game to run then why not? I go the
extra mile and buy Linux versions when they are available and I will write
the company and ask (nicely) for a port, I just recently bought the last
Tomb Raider as it didn't work well under wine unless you had a system much
better than mine and they didn't have a Linux client. As soon as they did
though I like the franchise and I am glad they did it is a really fun game.
Ah yes, I ought to have guessed ... you are a gamer. And I am not. I mean, I
did waste some time with Pac-Man when it came out, and there are a couple
others that would come to mind if I thought hard enough on it. And an old
friend of my was a game designer, with numerous titles to his credit. So
while I am not totally unaware of computer games and gamers, there's a
generation gap between us on that point, at least. I never got into that
stuff, and had other interests.
My son pretty much wore out my old Commodore Amiga 64 playing games on it. He
was about 10 at the time, and imagined that pounding harder on the keyboard
and mouse were the same as hitting a ball harder in the "real world"; in any
case, computer games got him interested in computers generally, and he went
on to run the IT department at the university where we both attended (though
in different decades). And I know that computer games led to many more
practical developments; without gamers, for example, our computers would
probably still have 80 mb hard drives with 256k RAM (or something like that),
and we would all be using dial-up to access the Internet.
What I don't understand is why gamers don't develop more games in Linux, or at
least make them cross-platform. I suppose there are licensing issues, but I
would think Linux geeks are creative enough to find ways to make games that
blow away Windoze and Apple versions.
Bill
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:21 AM, William Morder
<doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com>
wrote:
> On Wednesday 15 August 2018 05:38:30 Pisini, John wrote:
> > Don't use Debian Multimedia with Jessie if you use wine it completely
>
> hoses
>
> > the sound in any wine programs.
>
> Better yet, don't use wine at all, as Linux usually has better software
> than
> anything in Windoze, so I don't see why anybody would take the trouble of
> trying to run wine to emulate them. But we all have different needs, so I
> will try not to judge....
>
> ;-)
>
> Myself, however, I prefer VideoLAN or the MEPIS / mx / antiX
> repositories. I
> would use deb-multimedia as a last resort. Also you must be sure that you
> get
> the "genuine" deb-multimedia, not the fake site and repository that
> somebody
> else is hosting.
10:08 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Is there a way to copy weird named files form Konqueror?
Yeah if it hadn't been for games I would probably not be a systems
administrator today it got me interested in PCs. They also have made my
relationship with my daughter stronger as we can talk about the same things
and play together. I think the real issue with new games for Linux is the
time it takes hundreds sometimes thousands of hours to make a decent
products and with Linux most people are doing things in their spare time.
So trying to find the dozen or so people that have all the skills needed
and coordinate them all remote is very tough. It gives a greater
appreciation for all the people that are keeping TDE alive.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:24 PM, William Morder <doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com>
wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 08:06:11 Pisini, John wrote:
Ah yes, I ought to have guessed ... you are a gamer. And I am not. I mean,
I
did waste some time with Pac-Man when it came out, and there are a couple
others that would come to mind if I thought hard enough on it. And an old
friend of my was a game designer, with numerous titles to his credit. So
while I am not totally unaware of computer games and gamers, there's a
generation gap between us on that point, at least. I never got into that
stuff, and had other interests.
My son pretty much wore out my old Commodore Amiga 64 playing games on it.
He
was about 10 at the time, and imagined that pounding harder on the
keyboard
and mouse were the same as hitting a ball harder in the "real world"; in
any
case, computer games got him interested in computers generally, and he
went
on to run the IT department at the university where we both attended
(though
in different decades). And I know that computer games led to many more
practical developments; without gamers, for example, our computers would
probably still have 80 mb hard drives with 256k RAM (or something like
that),
and we would all be using dial-up to access the Internet.
What I don't understand is why gamers don't develop more games in Linux,
or at
least make them cross-platform. I suppose there are licensing issues, but
I
would think Linux geeks are creative enough to find ways to make games
that
blow away Windoze and Apple versions.
Bill
> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 15 August 2018 05:38:30 Pisini, John wrote:
> > > Don't use Debian Multimedia with Jessie if you use wine it completely
> > > hoses
> > > > the sound in any wine
programs.
> > > Better yet, don't use
wine at all, as Linux usually has better software
> > than
> > anything in Windoze, so I don't see why anybody would take the trouble
of
> > ;-)
> > > Myself, however, I prefer
VideoLAN or the MEPIS / mx / antiX
> > repositories. I
> > would use deb-multimedia as a last resort. Also you must be sure that
you
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I can only speak for myself but I like to play
games and some are Windows
only but a lot of them will run under wine. A perfect example is Doom
2016
there is no Linux client but it runs pretty well
under wine and I am a
huge
Doom/ID fan going back to the first release in
the early 90s of Doom 1
and
even further back of the original Wolfenstein
going back to the early
80s.
I don't trust Windows and I will go without a
game rather than install it
to play a game but if I can get the game to run then why not? I go the
extra mile and buy Linux versions when they are available and I will
write
the company and ask (nicely) for a port, I just
recently bought the last
Tomb Raider as it didn't work well under wine unless you had a system
much
better than mine and they didn't have a Linux
client. As soon as they did
though I like the franchise and I am glad they did it is a really fun
game.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:21 AM, William Morder
<
doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com>
> trying to run wine to emulate them. But we
all have different needs,
so I
> > will try not to judge....
> > get
> the "genuine" deb-multimedia, not the fake site and repository that
> somebody
> else is hosting.
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10:44 a.m.
New subject: new thread - the glory that is TDE
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 10:08:38 Pisini, John wrote:
Yeah if it hadn't been for games I would probably
not be a systems
administrator today it got me interested in PCs. They also have made my
relationship with my daughter stronger as we can talk about the same things
and play together. I think the real issue with new games for Linux is the
time it takes hundreds sometimes thousands of hours to make a decent
products and with Linux most people are doing things in their spare time.
So trying to find the dozen or so people that have all the skills needed
and coordinate them all remote is very tough. It gives a greater
appreciation for all the people that are keeping TDE alive.
Better start a new thread, as this shows signs of going far off-topic.
Very true about TDE. If it weren't for TDE, I would almost be inclined to give
up computers altogether - even though I know that's a practical impossibility
in this world. I dabble a little with other desktops, and occasionally must
use a Windoze or rotten Apple computer, just enough to stay minimally aware
of what's going on elsewhere. But honestly, it's only when I am running
Debian/Devuan and TDE that I feel in control of my machine. I gave up on
the 'Buntus because of privacy and control issues, and because they didn't
seem to respect their users, and Debian is annoying with its systemd crap,
but on the whole it's still pretty good, and Devuan is coming along nicely.
I know that there are other perfectly good distros and desktops out there, and
I've tried quite a few of them; but for desktops, Trinity beats anything
else, hands-down, no question. Anybody who says differently seems to be
parroting some corporation's views, and are just showing loyalty to a brand.
In the Trinity desktop, I can make my computer do what I want (although it
sometimes takes a bit of work ...); whereas anything else that is even close
(KDE, LXDE, Mate, Gnome, etc.) frustrates me to no end. I spent about a year
or so trying to make the new KDE Plasma as workable as possible, at least as
a backup plan; but I always get the feeling that I don't really own my own
machine, that somebody else has decided what I may or may not do; for
example, even really innocuous stuff (such as customizing my themes, or
preventing my network-manager programs from connecting automatically at
startup) is difficult in other desktops, but relatively easy in TDE.
What Trinity needs is to get their desktop accepted into the official
repositories; and I believe that it will happen, but it seems that there is a
lot of opposition to its happening. I am willing to volunteer as a
cheerleader, but I don't have the legs any more to wear a skirt.
Bill
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:24 PM, William Morder <doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com>
wrote:
> On Wednesday 15 August 2018 08:06:11 Pisini, John wrote:
> > I can only speak for myself but I like to play games and some are
> > Windows only but a lot of them will run under wine. A perfect example
> > is Doom
>
> 2016
>
> > there is no Linux client but it runs pretty well under wine and I am a
>
> huge
>
> > Doom/ID fan going back to the first release in the early 90s of Doom 1
>
> and
>
> > even further back of the original Wolfenstein going back to the early
>
> 80s.
>
> > I don't trust Windows and I will go without a game rather than install
> > it to play a game but if I can get the game to run then why not? I go
> > the extra mile and buy Linux versions when they are available and I
> > will
>
> write
>
> > the company and ask (nicely) for a port, I just recently bought the
> > last Tomb Raider as it didn't work well under wine unless you had a
> > system
>
> much
>
> > better than mine and they didn't have a Linux client. As soon as they
> > did though I like the franchise and I am glad they did it is a really
> > fun
>
> game.
>
>
> Ah yes, I ought to have guessed ... you are a gamer. And I am not. I
> mean, I
> did waste some time with Pac-Man when it came out, and there are a couple
> others that would come to mind if I thought hard enough on it. And an old
> friend of my was a game designer, with numerous titles to his credit. So
> while I am not totally unaware of computer games and gamers, there's a
> generation gap between us on that point, at least. I never got into that
> stuff, and had other interests.
>
> My son pretty much wore out my old Commodore Amiga 64 playing games on
> it. He
> was about 10 at the time, and imagined that pounding harder on the
> keyboard
> and mouse were the same as hitting a ball harder in the "real world"; in
> any
> case, computer games got him interested in computers generally, and he
> went
> on to run the IT department at the university where we both attended
> (though
> in different decades). And I know that computer games led to many more
> practical developments; without gamers, for example, our computers would
> probably still have 80 mb hard drives with 256k RAM (or something like
> that),
> and we would all be using dial-up to access the Internet.
>
> What I don't understand is why gamers don't develop more games in Linux,
> or at
> least make them cross-platform. I suppose there are licensing issues, but
> I
> would think Linux geeks are creative enough to find ways to make games
> that
> blow away Windoze and Apple versions.
>
> Bill
>
> > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:21 AM, William Morder <
>
> doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com>
>
> > wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 15 August 2018 05:38:30 Pisini, John wrote:
> > > > Don't use Debian Multimedia with Jessie if you use wine it
> > > > completely
> > >
> > > hoses
> > >
> > > > the sound in any wine programs.
> > >
> > > Better yet, don't use wine at all, as Linux usually has better
> > > software than
> > > anything in Windoze, so I don't see why anybody would take the
> > > trouble
>
> of
>
> > > trying to run wine to emulate them. But we all have different needs,
>
> so I
>
> > > will try not to judge....
> > >
> > > ;-)
> > >
> > > Myself, however, I prefer VideoLAN or the MEPIS / mx / antiX
> > > repositories. I
> > > would use deb-multimedia as a last resort. Also you must be sure that
>
> you
>
> > > get
> > > the "genuine" deb-multimedia, not the fake site and repository
that
> > > somebody
> > > else is hosting.
>
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11:14 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] new thread - the glory that is TDE
I'm with you Trinity makes a lot of sense on how things are put together
and gives you as much or as little control as you want. I think the issue
is the KDE devs talk down on TDE they don't like the fact that it was
forked. I don't hear the same grumblings from Gnome devs they don't seem to
care if you want to stay on Mate just leave them alone to do their thing.
For me Trinity is one of the best Desktop environments out there. I don't
care for how dated Konq has gotten and I wish they would add thumbnail
support for new types of movies, epubs and other book formats, along with
Comic archives such as CBR and CBZ myself. My only real issue is Konq is it
always gets confused in tree view and mixes my external disks into the tree
which is goofy as heck and makes moving tons of files beyond clunky.
I am happy to stay with Trinity I don't need a wiz bang gui with wobbly
windows and buttons that don't look like buttons, I need a window manager
that manages windows and gets out of the way and Trinity does that very
well.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 1:44 PM, William Morder <doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com>
wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 10:08:38 Pisini, John wrote:
--
John Pisini
Systems Administrator
TFCCS
617-450-3988
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Yeah if it hadn't been for games I would
probably not be a systems
administrator today it got me interested in PCs. They also have made my
relationship with my daughter stronger as we can talk about the same
things
and play together. I think the real issue with
new games for Linux is the
time it takes hundreds sometimes thousands of hours to make a decent
products and with Linux most people are doing things in their spare time.
So trying to find the dozen or so people that have all the skills needed
and coordinate them all remote is very tough. It gives a greater
appreciation for all the people that are keeping TDE alive.
Better start a new thread, as this shows signs of going far off-topic.
Very true about TDE. If it weren't for TDE, I would almost be inclined to
give
up computers altogether - even though I know that's a practical
impossibility
in this world. I dabble a little with other desktops, and occasionally
must
use a Windoze or rotten Apple computer, just enough to stay minimally
aware
of what's going on elsewhere. But honestly, it's only when I am running
Debian/Devuan and TDE that I feel in control of my machine. I gave up on
the 'Buntus because of privacy and control issues, and because they didn't
seem to respect their users, and Debian is annoying with its systemd crap,
but on the whole it's still pretty good, and Devuan is coming along
nicely.
I know that there are other perfectly good distros and desktops out there,
and
I've tried quite a few of them; but for desktops, Trinity beats anything
else, hands-down, no question. Anybody who says differently seems to be
parroting some corporation's views, and are just showing loyalty to a
brand.
In the Trinity desktop, I can make my computer do what I want (although it
sometimes takes a bit of work ...); whereas anything else that is even
close
(KDE, LXDE, Mate, Gnome, etc.) frustrates me to no end. I spent about a
year
or so trying to make the new KDE Plasma as workable as possible, at least
as
a backup plan; but I always get the feeling that I don't really own my own
machine, that somebody else has decided what I may or may not do; for
example, even really innocuous stuff (such as customizing my themes, or
preventing my network-manager programs from connecting automatically at
startup) is difficult in other desktops, but relatively easy in TDE.
What Trinity needs is to get their desktop accepted into the official
repositories; and I believe that it will happen, but it seems that there
is a
lot of opposition to its happening. I am willing to volunteer as a
cheerleader, but I don't have the legs any more to wear a skirt.
Bill
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:24 PM, William Morder <
doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com>
wrote:
> On Wednesday 15 August 2018 08:06:11 Pisini, John wrote:
> > I can only speak for myself but I like to play games and some are
> > Windows only but a lot of them will run under wine. A perfect example
> > is Doom
>
> 2016
>
> > there is no Linux client but it runs pretty well under wine and I am
a
>
> huge
>
> > Doom/ID fan going back to the first release in the early 90s of Doom
1
>
> and
>
> > even further back of the original Wolfenstein going back to the early
>
> 80s.
>
> > I don't trust Windows and I will go without a game rather than
install
> > it to play a game but if I can get the
game to run then why not? I go
> > the extra mile and buy Linux versions when they are available and I
> > will
>
> write
>
> > the company and ask (nicely) for a port, I just recently bought the
> > last Tomb Raider as it didn't work well under wine unless you had a
> > system
>
> much
>
> > better than mine and they didn't have a Linux client. As soon as they
> > did though I like the franchise and I am glad they did it is a really
> > fun
>
> game.
>
>
> Ah yes, I ought to have guessed ... you are a gamer. And I am not. I
> mean, I
> did waste some time with Pac-Man when it came out, and there are a
couple
> others that would come to mind if I thought
hard enough on it. And an
old
> friend of my was a game designer, with
numerous titles to his credit.
So
> while I am not totally unaware of computer
games and gamers, there's a
> generation gap between us on that point, at least. I never got into
that
> stuff, and had other interests.
>
> My son pretty much wore out my old Commodore Amiga 64 playing games on
> it. He
> was about 10 at the time, and imagined that pounding harder on the
> keyboard
> and mouse were the same as hitting a ball harder in the "real world";
in
> any
> case, computer games got him interested in computers generally, and he
> went
> on to run the IT department at the university where we both attended
> (though
> in different decades). And I know that computer games led to many more
> practical developments; without gamers, for example, our computers
would
> probably still have 80 mb hard drives with
256k RAM (or something like
> that),
> and we would all be using dial-up to access the Internet.
>
> What I don't understand is why gamers don't develop more games in
Linux,
> or at
> least make them cross-platform. I suppose there are licensing issues,
but
> I
> would think Linux geeks are creative enough to find ways to make games
> that
> blow away Windoze and Apple versions.
>
> Bill
>
> > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:21 AM, William Morder <
>
> doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com>
>
> > wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 15 August 2018 05:38:30 Pisini, John wrote:
> > > > Don't use Debian Multimedia with Jessie if you use wine it
> > > > completely
> > >
> > > hoses
> > >
> > > > the sound in any wine programs.
> > >
> > > Better yet, don't use wine at all, as Linux usually has better
> > > software than
> > > anything in Windoze, so I don't see why anybody would take the
> > > trouble
>
> of
>
> > > trying to run wine to emulate them. But we all have different
needs,
>
> so I
>
> > > will try not to judge....
> > >
> > > ;-)
> > >
> > > Myself, however, I prefer VideoLAN or the MEPIS / mx / antiX
> > > repositories. I
> > > would use deb-multimedia as a last resort. Also you must be sure
that
>
> you
>
> > > get
> > > the "genuine" deb-multimedia, not the fake site and repository
that
> > > somebody
> > > else is hosting.
>
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11:27 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] new thread - the glory that is TDE
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 11:14:29 Pisini, John wrote:
I'm with you Trinity makes a lot of sense on how
things are put together
and gives you as much or as little control as you want. I think the issue
is the KDE devs talk down on TDE they don't like the fact that it was
forked. I don't hear the same grumblings from Gnome devs they don't seem to
care if you want to stay on Mate just leave them alone to do their thing.
For me Trinity is one of the best Desktop environments out there. I don't
care for how dated Konq has gotten and I wish they would add thumbnail
support for new types of movies, epubs and other book formats, along with
Comic archives such as CBR and CBZ myself. My only real issue is Konq is it
always gets confused in tree view and mixes my external disks into the tree
which is goofy as heck and makes moving tons of files beyond clunky.
I am happy to stay with Trinity I don't need a wiz bang gui with wobbly
windows and buttons that don't look like buttons, I need a window manager
that manages windows and gets out of the way and Trinity does that very
well.
You ought to submit a request for Konqueror to support those features. A few
years ago I asked that two or three items were added to Trinity, and the devs
came through in a couple weeks. Of course, your request is different than
asking that some abandoned packages be redone and added to the Trinity
repositories; but TDE needs to adapt to new things, so maybe they will come
through for you on that. Otherwise, maybe it will spur them to create
something new to replace Konqueror.
Bill
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 1:44 PM, William Morder
<doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com>
wrote:
> On Wednesday 15 August 2018 10:08:38 Pisini, John wrote:
> > Yeah if it hadn't been for games I would probably not be a systems
> > administrator today it got me interested in PCs. They also have made my
> > relationship with my daughter stronger as we can talk about the same
>
> things
>
> > and play together. I think the real issue with new games for Linux is
> > the time it takes hundreds sometimes thousands of hours to make a
> > decent products and with Linux most people are doing things in their
> > spare time. So trying to find the dozen or so people that have all the
> > skills needed and coordinate them all remote is very tough. It gives a
> > greater appreciation for all the people that are keeping TDE alive.
>
> Better start a new thread, as this shows signs of going far off-topic.
>
> Very true about TDE. If it weren't for TDE, I would almost be inclined to
> give
> up computers altogether - even though I know that's a practical
> impossibility
> in this world. I dabble a little with other desktops, and occasionally
> must
> use a Windoze or rotten Apple computer, just enough to stay minimally
> aware
> of what's going on elsewhere. But honestly, it's only when I am running
> Debian/Devuan and TDE that I feel in control of my machine. I gave up on
> the 'Buntus because of privacy and control issues, and because they
> didn't seem to respect their users, and Debian is annoying with its
> systemd crap, but on the whole it's still pretty good, and Devuan is
> coming along nicely.
>
> I know that there are other perfectly good distros and desktops out
> there, and
> I've tried quite a few of them; but for desktops, Trinity beats anything
> else, hands-down, no question. Anybody who says differently seems to be
> parroting some corporation's views, and are just showing loyalty to a
> brand.
>
> In the Trinity desktop, I can make my computer do what I want (although
> it sometimes takes a bit of work ...); whereas anything else that is even
> close
> (KDE, LXDE, Mate, Gnome, etc.) frustrates me to no end. I spent about a
> year
> or so trying to make the new KDE Plasma as workable as possible, at least
> as
> a backup plan; but I always get the feeling that I don't really own my
> own machine, that somebody else has decided what I may or may not do; for
> example, even really innocuous stuff (such as customizing my themes, or
> preventing my network-manager programs from connecting automatically at
> startup) is difficult in other desktops, but relatively easy in TDE.
>
> What Trinity needs is to get their desktop accepted into the official
> repositories; and I believe that it will happen, but it seems that there
> is a
> lot of opposition to its happening. I am willing to volunteer as a
> cheerleader, but I don't have the legs any more to wear a skirt.
>
> Bill
>
> > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:24 PM, William Morder <
>
> doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com>
>
> > wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 15 August 2018 08:06:11 Pisini, John wrote:
> > > > I can only speak for myself but I like to play games and some are
> > > > Windows only but a lot of them will run under wine. A perfect
> > > > example is Doom
> > >
> > > 2016
> > >
> > > > there is no Linux client but it runs pretty well under wine and I
> > > > am
>
> a
>
> > > huge
> > >
> > > > Doom/ID fan going back to the first release in the early 90s of
> > > > Doom
>
> 1
>
> > > and
> > >
> > > > even further back of the original Wolfenstein going back to the
> > > > early
> > >
> > > 80s.
> > >
> > > > I don't trust Windows and I will go without a game rather than
>
> install
>
> > > > it to play a game but if I can get the game to run then why not? I
> > > > go the extra mile and buy Linux versions when they are available
> > > > and I will
> > >
> > > write
> > >
> > > > the company and ask (nicely) for a port, I just recently bought the
> > > > last Tomb Raider as it didn't work well under wine unless you had
a
> > > > system
> > >
> > > much
> > >
> > > > better than mine and they didn't have a Linux client. As soon as
> > > > they did though I like the franchise and I am glad they did it is a
> > > > really fun
> > >
> > > game.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ah yes, I ought to have guessed ... you are a gamer. And I am not. I
> > > mean, I
> > > did waste some time with Pac-Man when it came out, and there are a
>
> couple
>
> > > others that would come to mind if I thought hard enough on it. And an
>
> old
>
> > > friend of my was a game designer, with numerous titles to his credit.
>
> So
>
> > > while I am not totally unaware of computer games and gamers, there's
> > > a generation gap between us on that point, at least. I never got into
>
> that
>
> > > stuff, and had other interests.
> > >
> > > My son pretty much wore out my old Commodore Amiga 64 playing games
> > > on it. He
> > > was about 10 at the time, and imagined that pounding harder on the
> > > keyboard
> > > and mouse were the same as hitting a ball harder in the "real
world";
>
> in
>
> > > any
> > > case, computer games got him interested in computers generally, and
> > > he went
> > > on to run the IT department at the university where we both attended
> > > (though
> > > in different decades). And I know that computer games led to many
> > > more practical developments; without gamers, for example, our
> > > computers
>
> would
>
> > > probably still have 80 mb hard drives with 256k RAM (or something
> > > like that),
> > > and we would all be using dial-up to access the Internet.
> > >
> > > What I don't understand is why gamers don't develop more games in
>
> Linux,
>
> > > or at
> > > least make them cross-platform. I suppose there are licensing issues,
>
> but
>
> > > I
> > > would think Linux geeks are creative enough to find ways to make
> > > games that
> > > blow away Windoze and Apple versions.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:21 AM, William Morder <
> > >
> > > doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com>
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday 15 August 2018 05:38:30 Pisini, John wrote:
> > > > > > Don't use Debian Multimedia with Jessie if you use wine
it
> > > > > > completely
> > > > >
> > > > > hoses
> > > > >
> > > > > > the sound in any wine programs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Better yet, don't use wine at all, as Linux usually has
better
> > > > > software than
> > > > > anything in Windoze, so I don't see why anybody would take
the
> > > > > trouble
> > >
> > > of
> > >
> > > > > trying to run wine to emulate them. But we all have different
>
> needs,
>
> > > so I
> > >
> > > > > will try not to judge....
> > > > >
> > > > > ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Myself, however, I prefer VideoLAN or the MEPIS / mx / antiX
> > > > > repositories. I
> > > > > would use deb-multimedia as a last resort. Also you must be
sure
>
> that
>
> > > you
> > >
> > > > > get
> > > > > the "genuine" deb-multimedia, not the fake site and
repository
> > > > > that somebody
> > > > > else is hosting.
> > >
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11:39 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] new thread - the glory that is TDE
Years ago I added a request for klcddimmer and they did add that which I am
grateful for. I did open a feature request at one point for the Comic icons
and honestly I don't know what happened to it I can't find it now. Was it
closed did I do something wrong? I have seen others mention the mixed
folders thing so I assumed they were aware of it as it even happens on
4.0.5. It maybe the type of disk I keep all my backups on an NTFS volume
because I may need access to it someday and not have a Linux computer
available like if there is a fire or something and it can be read from any
type of system in emergencies, Plus I make duplicates of it for family
members as it houses decades of family photos and videos that I would be
crushed if lost.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 2:27 PM, William Morder <doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com>
wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 11:14:29 Pisini, John wrote:
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I'm with you Trinity makes a lot of sense on
how things are put together
and gives you as much or as little control as you want. I think the issue
is the KDE devs talk down on TDE they don't like the fact that it was
forked. I don't hear the same grumblings from Gnome devs they don't seem
to
care if you want to stay on Mate just leave them
alone to do their thing.
For me Trinity is one of the best Desktop environments out there. I don't
care for how dated Konq has gotten and I wish they would add thumbnail
support for new types of movies, epubs and other book formats, along with
Comic archives such as CBR and CBZ myself. My only real issue is Konq is
it
always gets confused in tree view and mixes my
external disks into the
tree
which is goofy as heck and makes moving tons of
files beyond clunky.
I am happy to stay with Trinity I don't need a wiz bang gui with wobbly
windows and buttons that don't look like buttons, I need a window manager
that manages windows and gets out of the way and Trinity does that very
well.
You ought to submit a request for Konqueror to support those features. A
few
years ago I asked that two or three items were added to Trinity, and the
devs
came through in a couple weeks. Of course, your request is different than
asking that some abandoned packages be redone and added to the Trinity
repositories; but TDE needs to adapt to new things, so maybe they will
come
through for you on that. Otherwise, maybe it will spur them to create
something new to replace Konqueror.
Bill
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 1:44 PM, William Morder
<
doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com>
wrote:
> On Wednesday 15 August 2018 10:08:38 Pisini, John wrote:
> > Yeah if it hadn't been for games I would probably not be a systems
> > administrator today it got me interested in PCs. They also have made
my
> > relationship with my daughter stronger
as we can talk about the same
>
> things
>
> > and play together. I think the real issue with new games for Linux is
> > the time it takes hundreds sometimes thousands of hours to make a
> > decent products and with Linux most people are doing things in their
> > spare time. So trying to find the dozen or so people that have all
the
> > skills needed and coordinate them all
remote is very tough. It gives
a
> > greater appreciation for all the people
that are keeping TDE alive.
>
> Better start a new thread, as this shows signs of going far off-topic.
>
> Very true about TDE. If it weren't for TDE, I would almost be inclined
to
> give
> up computers altogether - even though I know that's a practical
> impossibility
> in this world. I dabble a little with other desktops, and occasionally
> must
> use a Windoze or rotten Apple computer, just enough to stay minimally
> aware
> of what's going on elsewhere. But honestly, it's only when I am running
> Debian/Devuan and TDE that I feel in control of my machine. I gave up
on
> the 'Buntus because of privacy and
control issues, and because they
> didn't seem to respect their users, and Debian is annoying with its
> systemd crap, but on the whole it's still pretty good, and Devuan is
> coming along nicely.
>
> I know that there are other perfectly good distros and desktops out
> there, and
> I've tried quite a few of them; but for desktops, Trinity beats
anything
> else, hands-down, no question. Anybody who
says differently seems to be
> parroting some corporation's views, and are just showing loyalty to a
> brand.
>
> In the Trinity desktop, I can make my computer do what I want (although
> it sometimes takes a bit of work ...); whereas anything else that is
even
> close
> (KDE, LXDE, Mate, Gnome, etc.) frustrates me to no end. I spent about a
> year
> or so trying to make the new KDE Plasma as workable as possible, at
least
> as
> a backup plan; but I always get the feeling that I don't really own my
> own machine, that somebody else has decided what I may or may not do;
for
> example, even really innocuous stuff (such
as customizing my themes, or
> preventing my network-manager programs from connecting automatically at
> startup) is difficult in other desktops, but relatively easy in TDE.
>
> What Trinity needs is to get their desktop accepted into the official
> repositories; and I believe that it will happen, but it seems that
there
> is a
> lot of opposition to its happening. I am willing to volunteer as a
> cheerleader, but I don't have the legs any more to wear a skirt.
>
> Bill
>
> > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:24 PM, William Morder <
>
> doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com>
>
> > wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 15 August 2018 08:06:11 Pisini, John wrote:
> > > > I can only speak for myself but I like to play games and some are
> > > > Windows only but a lot of them will run under wine. A perfect
> > > > example is Doom
> > >
> > > 2016
> > >
> > > > there is no Linux client but it runs pretty well under wine and I
> > > > am
>
> a
>
> > > huge
> > >
> > > > Doom/ID fan going back to the first release in the early 90s of
> > > > Doom
>
> 1
>
> > > and
> > >
> > > > even further back of the original Wolfenstein going back to the
> > > > early
> > >
> > > 80s.
> > >
> > > > I don't trust Windows and I will go without a game rather than
>
> install
>
> > > > it to play a game but if I can get the game to run then why not?
I
> > > > go the extra mile and buy
Linux versions when they are available
> > > > and I will
> > >
> > > write
> > >
> > > > the company and ask (nicely) for a port, I just recently bought
the
> > > > last Tomb Raider as it
didn't work well under wine unless you
had a
> > > > system
> > >
> > > much
> > >
> > > > better than mine and they didn't have a Linux client. As soon as
> > > > they did though I like the franchise and I am glad they did it
is a
> > > > really fun
> > >
> > > game.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ah yes, I ought to have guessed ... you are a gamer. And I am not.
I
> > > mean, I
> > > did waste some time with Pac-Man when it came out, and there are a
>
> couple
>
> > > others that would come to mind if I thought hard enough on it. And
an
>
> old
>
> > > friend of my was a game designer, with numerous titles to his
credit.
>
> So
>
> > > while I am not totally unaware of computer games and gamers,
there's
> > > a generation gap between us on
that point, at least. I never got
into
>
> that
>
> > > stuff, and had other interests.
> > >
> > > My son pretty much wore out my old Commodore Amiga 64 playing games
> > > on it. He
> > > was about 10 at the time, and imagined that pounding harder on the
> > > keyboard
> > > and mouse were the same as hitting a ball harder in the "real
world";
>
> in
>
> > > any
> > > case, computer games got him interested in computers generally, and
> > > he went
> > > on to run the IT department at the university where we both
attended
> > > (though
> > > in different decades). And I know that computer games led to many
> > > more practical developments; without gamers, for example, our
> > > computers
>
> would
>
> > > probably still have 80 mb hard drives with 256k RAM (or something
> > > like that),
> > > and we would all be using dial-up to access the Internet.
> > >
> > > What I don't understand is why gamers don't develop more games in
>
> Linux,
>
> > > or at
> > > least make them cross-platform. I suppose there are licensing
issues,
>
> but
>
> > > I
> > > would think Linux geeks are creative enough to find ways to make
> > > games that
> > > blow away Windoze and Apple versions.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:21 AM, William Morder <
> > >
> > > doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com>
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday 15 August 2018 05:38:30 Pisini, John wrote:
> > > > > > Don't use Debian Multimedia with Jessie if you use wine
it
> > > > > > completely
> > > > >
> > > > > hoses
> > > > >
> > > > > > the sound in any wine programs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Better yet, don't use wine at all, as Linux usually has
better
> > > > > software than
> > > > > anything in Windoze, so I don't see why anybody would take
the
> > > > > trouble
> > >
> > > of
> > >
> > > > > trying to run wine to emulate them. But we all have different
>
> needs,
>
> > > so I
> > >
> > > > > will try not to judge....
> > > > >
> > > > > ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Myself, however, I prefer VideoLAN or the MEPIS / mx / antiX
> > > > > repositories. I
> > > > > would use deb-multimedia as a last resort. Also you must be
sure
>
> that
>
> > > you
> > >
> > > > > get
> > > > > the "genuine" deb-multimedia, not the fake site and
repository
> > > > > that somebody
> > > > > else is hosting.
> > >
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1:17 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] file managers in TDE (was: new thread - the glory that is TDE)
William Morder composed on 2018-08-15 11:27 (UTC-0700):
On 15 August 2018 14:14 (UTC-0400) Pisini, John wrote:
> ...My only real issue is Konq is it always gets
confused in tree view and>> mixes my external disks into the tree which is goofy as
heck and makes
> moving tons of files beyond clunky.
...
...maybe it will spur them to create something new to
replace Konqueror.
Have either of you considered something old to replace your use of Konq as file
manager? KDE3[1] has been my primary Linux desktop since day one of using a
Linux GUI, and I've /never/ used Konq as a file manager (not counting when it
opens on USB stick or OM insertion, where I allow it to open as a mount/umount
facility).
OFMs[2] predate Konq by well over a decade. Without any OFM in Linux I probably
would still have been using OS/2 until 2-3 years ago (when mozilla.org products
for OS/2 got too far behind to catch up and had to be forked).
I (constantly) use two OFMs, MC, which all distros provide, many by default, and
FC/L[3]. MC runs on the vttys same as it does in Konsole, so same if you find
yourself in a rescue boot as normally).
[1] TDE has been on several PCs here for several years, and most likely will
replace KDE4 as primary within the next 5-6 months.
[2] http://www.softpanorama.org/OFM/Paradigm/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_file_manager
[3] http://silk.apana.org.au/fc.html
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7:28 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] file managers in TDE (was: new thread - the glory that is TDE)
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 13:17:00 Felix Miata wrote:
William Morder composed on 2018-08-15 11:27
(UTC-0700):
I haven't used MC very much, but I might consider exploring more. Other file
managers I've tried are Dolphin (which I dislike, but it has its uses),
Nautilus and PCManFM, which are both pretty good, but not as functional as
Konqueror. I don't like the fact that Konqueror is *also* a web browser; I
would prefer that it is one or the other. But in any case, I disable it as a
web browser.
Actually, I myself am satisfied with Konqueror as a file manager, as I only
use it in list view, with details, and don't bother with tree views,
thumbnails, etc. However, I try to look at things sometimes from other
people's viewpoints, and I can see how they might wish for some other
features. And what I like about TDE is that it is flexible and adaptable
enough that we can each configure it to serve our individual purposes.
OS/2, now there's a blast from the past! I never used it myself, but I have
some friends who still pine away for OS/2.
Bill
On 15 August 2018 14:14 (UTC-0400) Pisini, John
wrote:
> ...My only real issue is Konq is it always gets confused in tree view
> and>> mixes my external disks into the tree which is goofy as heck and
> makes moving tons of files beyond clunky.
...
...maybe it will spur them to create something
new to replace Konqueror.
Have either of you considered something old to replace your use of Konq as
file manager? KDE3[1] has been my primary Linux desktop since day one of
using a Linux GUI, and I've /never/ used Konq as a file manager (not
counting when it opens on USB stick or OM insertion, where I allow it to
open as a mount/umount facility).
OFMs[2] predate Konq by well over a decade. Without any OFM in Linux I
probably would still have been using OS/2 until 2-3 years ago (when
mozilla.org products for OS/2 got too far behind to catch up and had to be
forked).
I (constantly) use two OFMs, MC, which all distros provide, many by
default, and FC/L[3]. MC runs on the vttys same as it does in Konsole, so
same if you find yourself in a rescue boot as normally).
[1] TDE has been on several PCs here for several years, and most likely
will replace KDE4 as primary within the next 5-6 months.
[2] http://www.softpanorama.org/OFM/Paradigm/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_file_manager
[3] http://silk.apana.org.au/fc.html 
8:38 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] file managers in TDE (was: new thread - the glory that is TDE)
Re file managers, how do people evaluate Krusader? So far it's my
favorite, but maybe I'm missing out on something.
-R
11:58 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] file managers in TDE (was: new thread - the glory that is TDE)
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 23:38:14 Robert Peters wrote:
Re file managers, how do people evaluate Krusader? So
far it's my
favorite, but maybe I'm missing out on something.
-R
I use the original bull, the ncurses based mc. In comparison, krusader
has a nice pretty face, but its a steer, lacking the tools to do 90% of
what mc can do. I guess as someone approaching his 20th year of an
exclusively linux house, that dates me as an old fart. Guilty. I've had
the great good fortune to have, at 83, outlived all but one of my
enemies, (insert pregnant pause) me. :)
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12:01 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Is there a way to copy weird named files form Konqueror?
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 02.50:01 Dan Youngquist wrote:
On 08/14/2018 05:18 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
I simply selected them all in one konqueror pane and fragged-copied them in
the other. Konqueror then started to copy them one by one, failed (copy o%),
copied the next one, failed, and so on. Konqueror is 14.0.5
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 08:49:50PM +0200, Thierry
de Coulon wrote:
Thierry, I renamed a file with your exact filename above, and Konqueror
copied it just fine. So I would second Steven's questions.
My Konqueror is 14.0.5. Albinoni, Tomaso - 01 - Concerto No. 1 for Violin
in B flat major, Op.
9%2F1: 1. Allegro.ogg
And konqueror does not manage to copy them.
How are you trying to copy them? What steps do you take and what happens
when you try it? >opened my home directory in Konquorer,
single-clicked on the file, typed
>Ctrl-C to copy, moved to another directory and typed Ctrl-V to paste,
>and the file copied fine.
I tried that and.. it worked. Copy was quite slow, but it worked.
So it's the batch copy that failed somewhere.
Thierry
12:11 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Is there a way to copy weird named files form Konqueror?
On Wednesday 15 of August 2018 09:01:51 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 02.50:01 Dan Youngquist
wrote:
Hi Thierry,
what is the file system you're copying to?
Cheers
--
Slávek
On 08/14/2018 05:18 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
I simply selected them all in one konqueror pane and fragged-copied
them in the other. Konqueror then started to copy them one by one,
failed (copy o%), copied the next one, failed, and so on. Konqueror is
14.0.5
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 08:49:50PM +0200, Thierry
de Coulon wrote:
Thierry, I renamed a file with your exact filename above, and
Konqueror copied it just fine. So I would second Steven's questions.
My Konqueror is 14.0.5. Albinoni, Tomaso - 01 - Concerto No. 1 for Violin
in B flat major,
Op. 9%2F1: 1. Allegro.ogg
And konqueror does not manage to copy them.
How are you trying to copy them? What steps do you take and what
happens when you try it? >opened my home directory in Konquorer,
single-clicked on the file,
> typed Ctrl-C to copy, moved to another directory and typed Ctrl-V
> to paste, and the file copied fine.
I tried that and.. it worked. Copy was quite slow, but it worked.
So it's the batch copy that failed somewhere.
Thierry
14 Aug
14 Aug
6:15 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Is there a way to copy weird named files form Konqueror?
On Wed, 15 Aug 2018, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 08:49:50PM +0200, Thierry de
Coulon wrote:
[...]
The way I use konqueror as a file manager is by using split screen:
with one directory in the left pane, and the other directory in the
right pane. It's simple drag-n-drop after that. What makes it so very,
VERY convenient is konqueror's sftp:// ability. I develop web pages
locally and upload them to the live web site via konqueror.
Of course there is so much more you can do. Right click on a file and
open in another tab. Right click and open in kwrite. Etc., usw.
I have NEVER had problems processing "weird named files" in konqueror.
(Tho', myself, I eschew such abominations....)
HTH,
Jonesy
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All these files have names as:
Albinoni, Tomaso - 01 - Concerto No. 1 for Violin in B flat major, Op. 9%2F1:
1. Allegro.ogg
And konqueror does not manage to copy them.
How are you trying to copy them? What steps do you take and what happens
when you try it?
Under Linux, I see no reason why you can't copy that file. I created a
test file like this in the shell (bash):
touch "Albinoni concerto%2F1:1. Allegro.ogg"
opened my home directory in Konquorer, single-clicked on the file, typed
Ctrl-C to copy, moved to another directory and typed Ctrl-V to paste,
and the file copied fine. Unless there's a bug in your version of Konq
which mine doesn't have, it should be able to deal with file names
containing spaces, colons and percent signs easily.
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