Hello all,
That's probably not a Trinity problem, but I'd love to solve it under Trinity.
I recently ordered a double CD with music from Albinoni (not that he has anything to do with my problem).
When I inserted the CD it mounted and, to my amazement, I saw that there were directories with compresed files, including ogg-vorbis files (which is the format I store my music in).
However, the amazement was short-lived. All these files have names as:
Albinoni, Tomaso - 01 - Concerto No. 1 for Violin in B flat major, Op. 9%2F1: 1. Allegro.ogg
And konqueror does not manage to copy them.
I can rip them with k3b, but I find it frustrating that the files are there and I can't use them :)
Thierry
Linux use a \ as an escape character what that means is when you are trying to copy a character that Linux doesn't understand you precede it by the \ like ? this is best described by others like the description by the following site https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/299667/how-to-deal-with-characters-...
The ? is a special character that has significance in bash, You can work with it by escaping it with \
ie:
touch test?
will make the file:
test?
and you can move it with
mv test? /new/loction/test?
Edit: The same for any special character, such as .
You also need it for file names that contain spaces
this is a file
would have to be moved with:
mv this\ is\ a\ file <location>
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 2:49 PM, Thierry de Coulon tcoulon@decoulon.ch wrote:
Hello all,
That's probably not a Trinity problem, but I'd love to solve it under Trinity.
I recently ordered a double CD with music from Albinoni (not that he has anything to do with my problem).
When I inserted the CD it mounted and, to my amazement, I saw that there were directories with compresed files, including ogg-vorbis files (which is the format I store my music in).
However, the amazement was short-lived. All these files have names as:
Albinoni, Tomaso - 01 - Concerto No. 1 for Violin in B flat major, Op. 9%2F1:
- Allegro.ogg
And konqueror does not manage to copy them.
I can rip them with k3b, but I find it frustrating that the files are there and I can't use them :)
Thierry
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On Tuesday 14 August 2018 21.05:47 Pisini, John wrote:
Linux use a \ as an escape character what that means is when you are trying to copy a character that Linux doesn't understand you precede it by the \ like ? this is best described by others like the description by the
(...)
mv this\ is\ a\ file <location>
Yes, and Thanks, but this would mean that I a) can ccess the folder at the command line (which, for a reason I have not yet cleared, does not seem to work) b) mv each file by hand, escaping all problem elements in teh file name
In that case, ripping and re-encoding all the tracks is much, much easier :)
Thierry
What File manager are you using? Kong was great in it's day but it doesn't handle a lot of things now.
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 3:55 PM, Thierry de Coulon tcoulon@decoulon.ch wrote:
On Tuesday 14 August 2018 21.05:47 Pisini, John wrote:
Linux use a \ as an escape character what that means is when you are
trying
to copy a character that Linux doesn't understand you precede it by the \ like ? this is best described by others like the description by the
(...)
mv this\ is\ a\ file <location>
Yes, and Thanks, but this would mean that I a) can ccess the folder at the command line (which, for a reason I have not yet cleared, does not seem to work) b) mv each file by hand, escaping all problem elements in teh file name
In that case, ripping and re-encoding all the tracks is much, much easier :)
Thierry
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On Tuesday 14 August 2018 22.00:52 Pisini, John wrote:
What File manager are you using? Kong was great in it's day but it doesn't handle a lot of things now.
Yes, I'm using Konqueror. It's one of the main reasons why I use TDE. This is the first time I've got a "problem" with it and I have never found a filemanager that is better.
Thierry
On Tuesday 14 August 2018 02:05:47 pm Pisini, John wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 2:49 PM, Thierry de Coulon tcoulon@decoulon.ch
However, the amazement was short-lived. All these files have names as:
Albinoni, Tomaso - 01 - Concerto No. 1 for Violin in B flat major, Op. 9%2F1:
- Allegro.ogg
And konqueror does not manage to copy them.
Linux use a \ as an escape character what that means is when you are trying to copy a character that Linux doesn't understand you precede it by the \ like ? this is best described by others like the description by the following site https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/299667/how-to-deal-with-characters -like-or-that-make-invalid-filenames
The ? is a special character that has significance in bash, You can work with it by escaping it with \
ie:
touch test?
will make the file:
test?
and you can move it with
mv test? /new/loction/test?
Edit: The same for any special character, such as .
You also need it for file names that contain spaces
this is a file
would have to be moved with:
mv this\ is\ a\ file <location>
Hi Thierry,
Use either the command line to individually copy the files or a script to copy all of them.
Command line:
cd {to wherever one is stored} cp Alb{Tab}
Hitting Tab will fill in as much as possible including escaping with . Play with it until you get the whole file name after the cp. Then add your destination directory, or destination directory and new file name.
Bash script (Single quotes and double quotes)
#!/bin/bash
DestDir="/home/user/destdir" mkdir "$DestDir" cd {to top level directory where they are stored}
find -type f -name '*.ogg' | { while read filename ; do cp "$filename" "$DestDir" done }
=====
Here’s some other stuff to play with if you want cleanup the name etc while copying it. (Back tics and double quotes)
while read filename ; do echo "File $filename" NameofFile=`basename "$filename"` echo $NameofFile FnLen=${#filename} StartSFV=$FnLen-13 echo "${filename:2} ${filename:$StartSFV:8}" echo "${NameofFile:0:2}" done
Thierry de Coulon wrote:
Albinoni, Tomaso - 01 - Concerto No. 1 for Violin in B flat major, Op. 9%2F1: 1. Allegro.ogg
so is the problem "%2F1" this one here?
it translates to /1:
why is konqueror using URL encoding is the mystery here - IMO it is possibly a bug and is worth logging it, but I don't know if it can be reproduced easily. I think it is a bug, because the rest in the string/title you post does not show URL encoded characters at all. It would look like Albinoni%2C%20Tomaso%20-%2001%20-%20Concerto%20No %201%20for%20Violin%20in%20B%20flat%20major%2C%20Op.%209%2F1%3A%201 %20Allegro.ogg ^^^^
IMO it might be bug in the converter
regards
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 08:49:50PM +0200, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
[...]
All these files have names as:
Albinoni, Tomaso - 01 - Concerto No. 1 for Violin in B flat major, Op. 9%2F1:
- Allegro.ogg
And konqueror does not manage to copy them.
How are you trying to copy them? What steps do you take and what happens when you try it?
Under Linux, I see no reason why you can't copy that file. I created a test file like this in the shell (bash):
touch "Albinoni concerto%2F1:1. Allegro.ogg"
opened my home directory in Konquorer, single-clicked on the file, typed Ctrl-C to copy, moved to another directory and typed Ctrl-V to paste, and the file copied fine. Unless there's a bug in your version of Konq which mine doesn't have, it should be able to deal with file names containing spaces, colons and percent signs easily.
If that doesn't work, do you get an explicit error message?
If so, try copying the files using bash. Open a terminal, and cd to the directory where the CD is mounted. I don't know what that will be on your system, but it could be something like this:
cd /media/DISK
say. You could try listing the contents of /media or /mnt to find out for sure where the CD is mounted.
Once you have cd'ed into the right place, try viewing the files to ensure they are real files:
ls -lh *.ogg
Assuming they aren't all zero-length, check that they're readable:
hexdump Albinoni*1.\ Allegro.ogg | less
ought to do it. If you get a screen full of hex codes like this:
0166bd0 8db8 6716 e0bd 9243 4775 6eb0 9f2c a246 0166be0 c276 8580 d85f 987e 585c fa07 bfe8 4814 0166bf0 b59a 401d 8668 830a 5b35 e56c 670a 27bf 0166c00 53a5 a55b 563b 78de b3c7 69bc 1600 83b7
it looks good. Hit the Q key to exit and try copying the files to a new folder in your home directory:
mkdir ~/Albinoni cp *.ogg ~/Albinoni
Do the files copy now? If not, what's the error message?
On 08/14/2018 05:18 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 08:49:50PM +0200, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
Albinoni, Tomaso - 01 - Concerto No. 1 for Violin in B flat major, Op. 9%2F1:
- Allegro.ogg
And konqueror does not manage to copy them.
How are you trying to copy them? What steps do you take and what happens when you try it?
Thierry, I renamed a file with your exact filename above, and Konqueror copied it just fine. So I would second Steven's questions.
My Konqueror is 14.0.5.
On Tuesday 14 August 2018 17:50:01 Dan Youngquist wrote:
On 08/14/2018 05:18 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 08:49:50PM +0200, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
Albinoni, Tomaso - 01 - Concerto No. 1 for Violin in B flat major, Op. 9%2F1: 1. Allegro.ogg
And konqueror does not manage to copy them.
How are you trying to copy them? What steps do you take and what happens when you try it?
Thierry, I renamed a file with your exact filename above, and Konqueror copied it just fine. So I would second Steven's questions.
My Konqueror is 14.0.5.
I liked seeing all the command-line solutions. However, a less technical way, involving a gui, would be just to install the fuseiso9660 package & dependencies. Then copy the CD image to your hard drive.
Open Konqueror, right-click on the image, choose "open with" and ISO9660 Image Viewer, which will then open a new window and list the contents of the disc in folders named El Torito Boot ISO9660 Joliet level 3
In these you will find the contents of the CD or DVD, and you can just copy whatever items you want from that folder to your destination.
Bill
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 04.57:10 William Morder wrote:
I liked seeing all the command-line solutions. However, a less technical way, involving a gui, would be just to install the fuseiso9660 package & dependencies. Then copy the CD image to your hard drive.
I don't manage to make a copy, I get an "input/output" error from dd. k3b also fails to copy.
I can't mount it either, mount says it can't read the superblock.
Just clicking on the CD icon on the desktop works however. Konqueror says media:/sr0, I can get there with the command line but ls -a shows only . and ..
Yet konquerors shows files and directories.
I guess some CD protection is at work there, although why they would protect a CD and at the same time provide you with all sorts of soud files evades my logic.
Thierry
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 00:37:10 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 04.57:10 William Morder wrote:
I liked seeing all the command-line solutions. However, a less technical way, involving a gui, would be just to install the fuseiso9660 package & dependencies. Then copy the CD image to your hard drive.
I don't manage to make a copy, I get an "input/output" error from dd. k3b also fails to copy.
Have you installed libdvdcss2 and libdvdread4 ? This usually applies more to DVDs than CDs, but perhaps it will crack the nut. I realize that getting these packages is problematic if you live in "certain places"; however, I believe that they are available in the VideoLAN repositories, as well as in deb-multimedia and MEPIS / mx /antiX repositories.
######### # https://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html ## VideoLan - VLC # https://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html # wget -O - http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/videolan-apt.asc | sudo apt-key add - # libdvdcss is available through Git or by browsing the releases. # Git checkout # $ git clone http://code.videolan.org/videolan/libdvdcss.git
deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/stable/ / deb-src http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/stable/ / #########
Change *debian* and *stable* according to your own distribution, of course. Better to get these lines from the website itself.
I can't mount it either, mount says it can't read the superblock.
I don't think you need to mount the image as such, if it is already copied to your hard drive. Just open with fuse9660, and Konqueror will treat it like any other folder, and you should just be able to copy the files from the CD image folders
Just clicking on the CD icon on the desktop works however. Konqueror says media:/sr0, I can get there with the command line but ls -a shows only . and ..
Yet konquerors shows files and directories.
If you try to open the CD itself like this, it won't work (as I recall). You must first copy the disc image to your hard drive, then open the image as if it is a folder in Konqueror using fuse9660.
I guess some CD protection is at work there, although why they would protect a CD and at the same time provide you with all sorts of soud files evades my logic.
Thierry
It could be that the newer DRM prevents this kind of copying. I have seen CDs like you describe before, with wav files as well as mp3s and ogg, all contained in folders in the CD structure, but I was able to copy them using fuse with no problem. These were older CDs, though, and I must admit that all my CDs have been in storage for a couple years now, so in the meanwhile things might have changed for the worse.
You might try opening Konqueror as root: tdesu konqueror and try this again with fuse9660.
If you still have this problem, I will get some of my own CDS, and do a little experimentation and research to see if I can still manage this with newer discs.
Bill
Don't use Debian Multimedia with Jessie if you use wine it completely hoses the sound in any wine programs.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 8:26 AM, William Morder doctor_contendo@zoho.com wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 00:37:10 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 04.57:10 William Morder wrote:
I liked seeing all the command-line solutions. However, a less
technical
way, involving a gui, would be just to install the fuseiso9660 package
&
dependencies. Then copy the CD image to your hard drive.
I don't manage to make a copy, I get an "input/output" error from dd. k3b also fails to copy.
Have you installed libdvdcss2 and libdvdread4 ? This usually applies more to DVDs than CDs, but perhaps it will crack the nut. I realize that getting these packages is problematic if you live in "certain places"; however, I believe that they are available in the VideoLAN repositories, as well as in deb-multimedia and MEPIS / mx /antiX repositories.
######### # https://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html ## VideoLan - VLC # https://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html # wget -O - http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/videolan-apt.asc | sudo apt-key add - # libdvdcss is available through Git or by browsing the releases. # Git checkout # $ git clone http://code.videolan.org/videolan/libdvdcss.git
deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/stable/ / deb-src http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/stable/ / #########
Change *debian* and *stable* according to your own distribution, of course. Better to get these lines from the website itself.
I can't mount it either, mount says it can't read the superblock.
I don't think you need to mount the image as such, if it is already copied to your hard drive. Just open with fuse9660, and Konqueror will treat it like any other folder, and you should just be able to copy the files from the CD image folders
Just clicking on the CD icon on the desktop works however. Konqueror says media:/sr0, I can get there with the command line but ls -a shows only . and ..
Yet konquerors shows files and directories.
If you try to open the CD itself like this, it won't work (as I recall). You must first copy the disc image to your hard drive, then open the image as if it is a folder in Konqueror using fuse9660.
I guess some CD protection is at work there, although why they would protect a CD and at the same time provide you with all sorts of soud
files
evades my logic.
Thierry
It could be that the newer DRM prevents this kind of copying. I have seen CDs like you describe before, with wav files as well as mp3s and ogg, all contained in folders in the CD structure, but I was able to copy them using fuse with no problem. These were older CDs, though, and I must admit that all my CDs have been in storage for a couple years now, so in the meanwhile things might have changed for the worse.
You might try opening Konqueror as root: tdesu konqueror and try this again with fuse9660.
If you still have this problem, I will get some of my own CDS, and do a little experimentation and research to see if I can still manage this with newer discs.
Bill
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On Wednesday 15 August 2018 05:38:30 Pisini, John wrote:
Don't use Debian Multimedia with Jessie if you use wine it completely hoses the sound in any wine programs.
Better yet, don't use wine at all, as Linux usually has better software than anything in Windoze, so I don't see why anybody would take the trouble of trying to run wine to emulate them. But we all have different needs, so I will try not to judge....
;-)
Myself, however, I prefer VideoLAN or the MEPIS / mx / antiX repositories. I would use deb-multimedia as a last resort. Also you must be sure that you get the "genuine" deb-multimedia, not the fake site and repository that somebody else is hosting.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 8:26 AM, William Morder doctor_contendo@zoho.com
wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 00:37:10 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 04.57:10 William Morder wrote:
I liked seeing all the command-line solutions. However, a less
technical
way, involving a gui, would be just to install the fuseiso9660 package
&
dependencies. Then copy the CD image to your hard drive.
I don't manage to make a copy, I get an "input/output" error from dd. k3b also fails to copy.
Have you installed libdvdcss2 and libdvdread4 ? This usually applies more to DVDs than CDs, but perhaps it will crack the nut. I realize that getting these packages is problematic if you live in "certain places"; however, I believe that they are available in the VideoLAN repositories, as well as in deb-multimedia and MEPIS / mx /antiX repositories.
######### # https://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html ## VideoLan - VLC # https://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html # wget -O - http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/videolan-apt.asc | sudo apt-key add - # libdvdcss is available through Git or by browsing the releases. # Git checkout # $ git clone http://code.videolan.org/videolan/libdvdcss.git
deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/stable/ / deb-src http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/stable/ / #########
Change *debian* and *stable* according to your own distribution, of course. Better to get these lines from the website itself.
I can't mount it either, mount says it can't read the superblock.
I don't think you need to mount the image as such, if it is already copied to your hard drive. Just open with fuse9660, and Konqueror will treat it like any other folder, and you should just be able to copy the files from the CD image folders
Just clicking on the CD icon on the desktop works however. Konqueror says media:/sr0, I can get there with the command line but ls -a shows only . and ..
Yet konquerors shows files and directories.
If you try to open the CD itself like this, it won't work (as I recall). You must first copy the disc image to your hard drive, then open the image as if it is a folder in Konqueror using fuse9660.
I guess some CD protection is at work there, although why they would protect a CD and at the same time provide you with all sorts of soud
files
evades my logic.
Thierry
It could be that the newer DRM prevents this kind of copying. I have seen CDs like you describe before, with wav files as well as mp3s and ogg, all contained in folders in the CD structure, but I was able to copy them using fuse with no problem. These were older CDs, though, and I must admit that all my CDs have been in storage for a couple years now, so in the meanwhile things might have changed for the worse.
You might try opening Konqueror as root: tdesu konqueror and try this again with fuse9660.
If you still have this problem, I will get some of my own CDS, and do a little experimentation and research to see if I can still manage this with newer discs.
Bill
When you open the disc image with fuse9660, you ought to see, in your location bar at the top, a URL (?) something like this, e.g.:
iso:/media/devuan/devuan_jessie_1.0.0_i386_NETINST.iso
and then the list of folders, El Torito Boot ISO9660 Joliet level 3
Inside the folders, you will see your files - in your case, wav, ogg, and maybe mp3. Some of these are duplicated from one folder to another. Once you have opened the disc image like a folder in Konqueror, you are almost there, as you should need only copy from one folder to your destination.
Bill
I can only speak for myself but I like to play games and some are Windows only but a lot of them will run under wine. A perfect example is Doom 2016 there is no Linux client but it runs pretty well under wine and I am a huge Doom/ID fan going back to the first release in the early 90s of Doom 1 and even further back of the original Wolfenstein going back to the early 80s. I don't trust Windows and I will go without a game rather than install it to play a game but if I can get the game to run then why not? I go the extra mile and buy Linux versions when they are available and I will write the company and ask (nicely) for a port, I just recently bought the last Tomb Raider as it didn't work well under wine unless you had a system much better than mine and they didn't have a Linux client. As soon as they did though I like the franchise and I am glad they did it is a really fun game.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:21 AM, William Morder doctor_contendo@zoho.com wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 05:38:30 Pisini, John wrote:
Don't use Debian Multimedia with Jessie if you use wine it completely
hoses
the sound in any wine programs.
Better yet, don't use wine at all, as Linux usually has better software than anything in Windoze, so I don't see why anybody would take the trouble of trying to run wine to emulate them. But we all have different needs, so I will try not to judge....
;-)
Myself, however, I prefer VideoLAN or the MEPIS / mx / antiX repositories. I would use deb-multimedia as a last resort. Also you must be sure that you get the "genuine" deb-multimedia, not the fake site and repository that somebody else is hosting.
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 08:06:11 Pisini, John wrote:
I can only speak for myself but I like to play games and some are Windows only but a lot of them will run under wine. A perfect example is Doom 2016 there is no Linux client but it runs pretty well under wine and I am a huge Doom/ID fan going back to the first release in the early 90s of Doom 1 and even further back of the original Wolfenstein going back to the early 80s. I don't trust Windows and I will go without a game rather than install it to play a game but if I can get the game to run then why not? I go the extra mile and buy Linux versions when they are available and I will write the company and ask (nicely) for a port, I just recently bought the last Tomb Raider as it didn't work well under wine unless you had a system much better than mine and they didn't have a Linux client. As soon as they did though I like the franchise and I am glad they did it is a really fun game.
Ah yes, I ought to have guessed ... you are a gamer. And I am not. I mean, I did waste some time with Pac-Man when it came out, and there are a couple others that would come to mind if I thought hard enough on it. And an old friend of my was a game designer, with numerous titles to his credit. So while I am not totally unaware of computer games and gamers, there's a generation gap between us on that point, at least. I never got into that stuff, and had other interests.
My son pretty much wore out my old Commodore Amiga 64 playing games on it. He was about 10 at the time, and imagined that pounding harder on the keyboard and mouse were the same as hitting a ball harder in the "real world"; in any case, computer games got him interested in computers generally, and he went on to run the IT department at the university where we both attended (though in different decades). And I know that computer games led to many more practical developments; without gamers, for example, our computers would probably still have 80 mb hard drives with 256k RAM (or something like that), and we would all be using dial-up to access the Internet.
What I don't understand is why gamers don't develop more games in Linux, or at least make them cross-platform. I suppose there are licensing issues, but I would think Linux geeks are creative enough to find ways to make games that blow away Windoze and Apple versions.
Bill
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:21 AM, William Morder doctor_contendo@zoho.com
wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 05:38:30 Pisini, John wrote:
Don't use Debian Multimedia with Jessie if you use wine it completely
hoses
the sound in any wine programs.
Better yet, don't use wine at all, as Linux usually has better software than anything in Windoze, so I don't see why anybody would take the trouble of trying to run wine to emulate them. But we all have different needs, so I will try not to judge....
;-)
Myself, however, I prefer VideoLAN or the MEPIS / mx / antiX repositories. I would use deb-multimedia as a last resort. Also you must be sure that you get the "genuine" deb-multimedia, not the fake site and repository that somebody else is hosting.
Yeah if it hadn't been for games I would probably not be a systems administrator today it got me interested in PCs. They also have made my relationship with my daughter stronger as we can talk about the same things and play together. I think the real issue with new games for Linux is the time it takes hundreds sometimes thousands of hours to make a decent products and with Linux most people are doing things in their spare time. So trying to find the dozen or so people that have all the skills needed and coordinate them all remote is very tough. It gives a greater appreciation for all the people that are keeping TDE alive.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:24 PM, William Morder doctor_contendo@zoho.com wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 08:06:11 Pisini, John wrote:
I can only speak for myself but I like to play games and some are Windows only but a lot of them will run under wine. A perfect example is Doom
2016
there is no Linux client but it runs pretty well under wine and I am a
huge
Doom/ID fan going back to the first release in the early 90s of Doom 1
and
even further back of the original Wolfenstein going back to the early
80s.
I don't trust Windows and I will go without a game rather than install it to play a game but if I can get the game to run then why not? I go the extra mile and buy Linux versions when they are available and I will
write
the company and ask (nicely) for a port, I just recently bought the last Tomb Raider as it didn't work well under wine unless you had a system
much
better than mine and they didn't have a Linux client. As soon as they did though I like the franchise and I am glad they did it is a really fun
game.
Ah yes, I ought to have guessed ... you are a gamer. And I am not. I mean, I did waste some time with Pac-Man when it came out, and there are a couple others that would come to mind if I thought hard enough on it. And an old friend of my was a game designer, with numerous titles to his credit. So while I am not totally unaware of computer games and gamers, there's a generation gap between us on that point, at least. I never got into that stuff, and had other interests.
My son pretty much wore out my old Commodore Amiga 64 playing games on it. He was about 10 at the time, and imagined that pounding harder on the keyboard and mouse were the same as hitting a ball harder in the "real world"; in any case, computer games got him interested in computers generally, and he went on to run the IT department at the university where we both attended (though in different decades). And I know that computer games led to many more practical developments; without gamers, for example, our computers would probably still have 80 mb hard drives with 256k RAM (or something like that), and we would all be using dial-up to access the Internet.
What I don't understand is why gamers don't develop more games in Linux, or at least make them cross-platform. I suppose there are licensing issues, but I would think Linux geeks are creative enough to find ways to make games that blow away Windoze and Apple versions.
Bill
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:21 AM, William Morder <
doctor_contendo@zoho.com>
wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 05:38:30 Pisini, John wrote:
Don't use Debian Multimedia with Jessie if you use wine it completely
hoses
the sound in any wine programs.
Better yet, don't use wine at all, as Linux usually has better software than anything in Windoze, so I don't see why anybody would take the trouble
of
trying to run wine to emulate them. But we all have different needs,
so I
will try not to judge....
;-)
Myself, however, I prefer VideoLAN or the MEPIS / mx / antiX repositories. I would use deb-multimedia as a last resort. Also you must be sure that
you
get the "genuine" deb-multimedia, not the fake site and repository that somebody else is hosting.
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On Wednesday 15 August 2018 10:08:38 Pisini, John wrote:
Yeah if it hadn't been for games I would probably not be a systems administrator today it got me interested in PCs. They also have made my relationship with my daughter stronger as we can talk about the same things and play together. I think the real issue with new games for Linux is the time it takes hundreds sometimes thousands of hours to make a decent products and with Linux most people are doing things in their spare time. So trying to find the dozen or so people that have all the skills needed and coordinate them all remote is very tough. It gives a greater appreciation for all the people that are keeping TDE alive.
Better start a new thread, as this shows signs of going far off-topic.
Very true about TDE. If it weren't for TDE, I would almost be inclined to give up computers altogether - even though I know that's a practical impossibility in this world. I dabble a little with other desktops, and occasionally must use a Windoze or rotten Apple computer, just enough to stay minimally aware of what's going on elsewhere. But honestly, it's only when I am running Debian/Devuan and TDE that I feel in control of my machine. I gave up on the 'Buntus because of privacy and control issues, and because they didn't seem to respect their users, and Debian is annoying with its systemd crap, but on the whole it's still pretty good, and Devuan is coming along nicely.
I know that there are other perfectly good distros and desktops out there, and I've tried quite a few of them; but for desktops, Trinity beats anything else, hands-down, no question. Anybody who says differently seems to be parroting some corporation's views, and are just showing loyalty to a brand.
In the Trinity desktop, I can make my computer do what I want (although it sometimes takes a bit of work ...); whereas anything else that is even close (KDE, LXDE, Mate, Gnome, etc.) frustrates me to no end. I spent about a year or so trying to make the new KDE Plasma as workable as possible, at least as a backup plan; but I always get the feeling that I don't really own my own machine, that somebody else has decided what I may or may not do; for example, even really innocuous stuff (such as customizing my themes, or preventing my network-manager programs from connecting automatically at startup) is difficult in other desktops, but relatively easy in TDE.
What Trinity needs is to get their desktop accepted into the official repositories; and I believe that it will happen, but it seems that there is a lot of opposition to its happening. I am willing to volunteer as a cheerleader, but I don't have the legs any more to wear a skirt.
Bill
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:24 PM, William Morder doctor_contendo@zoho.com
wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 08:06:11 Pisini, John wrote:
I can only speak for myself but I like to play games and some are Windows only but a lot of them will run under wine. A perfect example is Doom
2016
there is no Linux client but it runs pretty well under wine and I am a
huge
Doom/ID fan going back to the first release in the early 90s of Doom 1
and
even further back of the original Wolfenstein going back to the early
80s.
I don't trust Windows and I will go without a game rather than install it to play a game but if I can get the game to run then why not? I go the extra mile and buy Linux versions when they are available and I will
write
the company and ask (nicely) for a port, I just recently bought the last Tomb Raider as it didn't work well under wine unless you had a system
much
better than mine and they didn't have a Linux client. As soon as they did though I like the franchise and I am glad they did it is a really fun
game.
Ah yes, I ought to have guessed ... you are a gamer. And I am not. I mean, I did waste some time with Pac-Man when it came out, and there are a couple others that would come to mind if I thought hard enough on it. And an old friend of my was a game designer, with numerous titles to his credit. So while I am not totally unaware of computer games and gamers, there's a generation gap between us on that point, at least. I never got into that stuff, and had other interests.
My son pretty much wore out my old Commodore Amiga 64 playing games on it. He was about 10 at the time, and imagined that pounding harder on the keyboard and mouse were the same as hitting a ball harder in the "real world"; in any case, computer games got him interested in computers generally, and he went on to run the IT department at the university where we both attended (though in different decades). And I know that computer games led to many more practical developments; without gamers, for example, our computers would probably still have 80 mb hard drives with 256k RAM (or something like that), and we would all be using dial-up to access the Internet.
What I don't understand is why gamers don't develop more games in Linux, or at least make them cross-platform. I suppose there are licensing issues, but I would think Linux geeks are creative enough to find ways to make games that blow away Windoze and Apple versions.
Bill
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:21 AM, William Morder <
doctor_contendo@zoho.com>
wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 05:38:30 Pisini, John wrote:
Don't use Debian Multimedia with Jessie if you use wine it completely
hoses
the sound in any wine programs.
Better yet, don't use wine at all, as Linux usually has better software than anything in Windoze, so I don't see why anybody would take the trouble
of
trying to run wine to emulate them. But we all have different needs,
so I
will try not to judge....
;-)
Myself, however, I prefer VideoLAN or the MEPIS / mx / antiX repositories. I would use deb-multimedia as a last resort. Also you must be sure that
you
get the "genuine" deb-multimedia, not the fake site and repository that somebody else is hosting.
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I'm with you Trinity makes a lot of sense on how things are put together and gives you as much or as little control as you want. I think the issue is the KDE devs talk down on TDE they don't like the fact that it was forked. I don't hear the same grumblings from Gnome devs they don't seem to care if you want to stay on Mate just leave them alone to do their thing. For me Trinity is one of the best Desktop environments out there. I don't care for how dated Konq has gotten and I wish they would add thumbnail support for new types of movies, epubs and other book formats, along with Comic archives such as CBR and CBZ myself. My only real issue is Konq is it always gets confused in tree view and mixes my external disks into the tree which is goofy as heck and makes moving tons of files beyond clunky. I am happy to stay with Trinity I don't need a wiz bang gui with wobbly windows and buttons that don't look like buttons, I need a window manager that manages windows and gets out of the way and Trinity does that very well.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 1:44 PM, William Morder doctor_contendo@zoho.com wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 10:08:38 Pisini, John wrote:
Yeah if it hadn't been for games I would probably not be a systems administrator today it got me interested in PCs. They also have made my relationship with my daughter stronger as we can talk about the same
things
and play together. I think the real issue with new games for Linux is the time it takes hundreds sometimes thousands of hours to make a decent products and with Linux most people are doing things in their spare time. So trying to find the dozen or so people that have all the skills needed and coordinate them all remote is very tough. It gives a greater appreciation for all the people that are keeping TDE alive.
Better start a new thread, as this shows signs of going far off-topic.
Very true about TDE. If it weren't for TDE, I would almost be inclined to give up computers altogether - even though I know that's a practical impossibility in this world. I dabble a little with other desktops, and occasionally must use a Windoze or rotten Apple computer, just enough to stay minimally aware of what's going on elsewhere. But honestly, it's only when I am running Debian/Devuan and TDE that I feel in control of my machine. I gave up on the 'Buntus because of privacy and control issues, and because they didn't seem to respect their users, and Debian is annoying with its systemd crap, but on the whole it's still pretty good, and Devuan is coming along nicely.
I know that there are other perfectly good distros and desktops out there, and I've tried quite a few of them; but for desktops, Trinity beats anything else, hands-down, no question. Anybody who says differently seems to be parroting some corporation's views, and are just showing loyalty to a brand.
In the Trinity desktop, I can make my computer do what I want (although it sometimes takes a bit of work ...); whereas anything else that is even close (KDE, LXDE, Mate, Gnome, etc.) frustrates me to no end. I spent about a year or so trying to make the new KDE Plasma as workable as possible, at least as a backup plan; but I always get the feeling that I don't really own my own machine, that somebody else has decided what I may or may not do; for example, even really innocuous stuff (such as customizing my themes, or preventing my network-manager programs from connecting automatically at startup) is difficult in other desktops, but relatively easy in TDE.
What Trinity needs is to get their desktop accepted into the official repositories; and I believe that it will happen, but it seems that there is a lot of opposition to its happening. I am willing to volunteer as a cheerleader, but I don't have the legs any more to wear a skirt.
Bill
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:24 PM, William Morder <
doctor_contendo@zoho.com>
wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 08:06:11 Pisini, John wrote:
I can only speak for myself but I like to play games and some are Windows only but a lot of them will run under wine. A perfect example is Doom
2016
there is no Linux client but it runs pretty well under wine and I am
a
huge
Doom/ID fan going back to the first release in the early 90s of Doom
1
and
even further back of the original Wolfenstein going back to the early
80s.
I don't trust Windows and I will go without a game rather than
install
it to play a game but if I can get the game to run then why not? I go the extra mile and buy Linux versions when they are available and I will
write
the company and ask (nicely) for a port, I just recently bought the last Tomb Raider as it didn't work well under wine unless you had a system
much
better than mine and they didn't have a Linux client. As soon as they did though I like the franchise and I am glad they did it is a really fun
game.
Ah yes, I ought to have guessed ... you are a gamer. And I am not. I mean, I did waste some time with Pac-Man when it came out, and there are a
couple
others that would come to mind if I thought hard enough on it. And an
old
friend of my was a game designer, with numerous titles to his credit.
So
while I am not totally unaware of computer games and gamers, there's a generation gap between us on that point, at least. I never got into
that
stuff, and had other interests.
My son pretty much wore out my old Commodore Amiga 64 playing games on it. He was about 10 at the time, and imagined that pounding harder on the keyboard and mouse were the same as hitting a ball harder in the "real world";
in
any case, computer games got him interested in computers generally, and he went on to run the IT department at the university where we both attended (though in different decades). And I know that computer games led to many more practical developments; without gamers, for example, our computers
would
probably still have 80 mb hard drives with 256k RAM (or something like that), and we would all be using dial-up to access the Internet.
What I don't understand is why gamers don't develop more games in
Linux,
or at least make them cross-platform. I suppose there are licensing issues,
but
I would think Linux geeks are creative enough to find ways to make games that blow away Windoze and Apple versions.
Bill
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:21 AM, William Morder <
doctor_contendo@zoho.com>
wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 05:38:30 Pisini, John wrote:
Don't use Debian Multimedia with Jessie if you use wine it completely
hoses
the sound in any wine programs.
Better yet, don't use wine at all, as Linux usually has better software than anything in Windoze, so I don't see why anybody would take the trouble
of
trying to run wine to emulate them. But we all have different
needs,
so I
will try not to judge....
;-)
Myself, however, I prefer VideoLAN or the MEPIS / mx / antiX repositories. I would use deb-multimedia as a last resort. Also you must be sure
that
you
get the "genuine" deb-multimedia, not the fake site and repository that somebody else is hosting.
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On Wednesday 15 August 2018 11:14:29 Pisini, John wrote:
I'm with you Trinity makes a lot of sense on how things are put together and gives you as much or as little control as you want. I think the issue is the KDE devs talk down on TDE they don't like the fact that it was forked. I don't hear the same grumblings from Gnome devs they don't seem to care if you want to stay on Mate just leave them alone to do their thing. For me Trinity is one of the best Desktop environments out there. I don't care for how dated Konq has gotten and I wish they would add thumbnail support for new types of movies, epubs and other book formats, along with Comic archives such as CBR and CBZ myself. My only real issue is Konq is it always gets confused in tree view and mixes my external disks into the tree which is goofy as heck and makes moving tons of files beyond clunky. I am happy to stay with Trinity I don't need a wiz bang gui with wobbly windows and buttons that don't look like buttons, I need a window manager that manages windows and gets out of the way and Trinity does that very well.
You ought to submit a request for Konqueror to support those features. A few years ago I asked that two or three items were added to Trinity, and the devs came through in a couple weeks. Of course, your request is different than asking that some abandoned packages be redone and added to the Trinity repositories; but TDE needs to adapt to new things, so maybe they will come through for you on that. Otherwise, maybe it will spur them to create something new to replace Konqueror.
Bill
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 1:44 PM, William Morder doctor_contendo@zoho.com
wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 10:08:38 Pisini, John wrote:
Yeah if it hadn't been for games I would probably not be a systems administrator today it got me interested in PCs. They also have made my relationship with my daughter stronger as we can talk about the same
things
and play together. I think the real issue with new games for Linux is the time it takes hundreds sometimes thousands of hours to make a decent products and with Linux most people are doing things in their spare time. So trying to find the dozen or so people that have all the skills needed and coordinate them all remote is very tough. It gives a greater appreciation for all the people that are keeping TDE alive.
Better start a new thread, as this shows signs of going far off-topic.
Very true about TDE. If it weren't for TDE, I would almost be inclined to give up computers altogether - even though I know that's a practical impossibility in this world. I dabble a little with other desktops, and occasionally must use a Windoze or rotten Apple computer, just enough to stay minimally aware of what's going on elsewhere. But honestly, it's only when I am running Debian/Devuan and TDE that I feel in control of my machine. I gave up on the 'Buntus because of privacy and control issues, and because they didn't seem to respect their users, and Debian is annoying with its systemd crap, but on the whole it's still pretty good, and Devuan is coming along nicely.
I know that there are other perfectly good distros and desktops out there, and I've tried quite a few of them; but for desktops, Trinity beats anything else, hands-down, no question. Anybody who says differently seems to be parroting some corporation's views, and are just showing loyalty to a brand.
In the Trinity desktop, I can make my computer do what I want (although it sometimes takes a bit of work ...); whereas anything else that is even close (KDE, LXDE, Mate, Gnome, etc.) frustrates me to no end. I spent about a year or so trying to make the new KDE Plasma as workable as possible, at least as a backup plan; but I always get the feeling that I don't really own my own machine, that somebody else has decided what I may or may not do; for example, even really innocuous stuff (such as customizing my themes, or preventing my network-manager programs from connecting automatically at startup) is difficult in other desktops, but relatively easy in TDE.
What Trinity needs is to get their desktop accepted into the official repositories; and I believe that it will happen, but it seems that there is a lot of opposition to its happening. I am willing to volunteer as a cheerleader, but I don't have the legs any more to wear a skirt.
Bill
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:24 PM, William Morder <
doctor_contendo@zoho.com>
wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 08:06:11 Pisini, John wrote:
I can only speak for myself but I like to play games and some are Windows only but a lot of them will run under wine. A perfect example is Doom
2016
there is no Linux client but it runs pretty well under wine and I am
a
huge
Doom/ID fan going back to the first release in the early 90s of Doom
1
and
even further back of the original Wolfenstein going back to the early
80s.
I don't trust Windows and I will go without a game rather than
install
it to play a game but if I can get the game to run then why not? I go the extra mile and buy Linux versions when they are available and I will
write
the company and ask (nicely) for a port, I just recently bought the last Tomb Raider as it didn't work well under wine unless you had a system
much
better than mine and they didn't have a Linux client. As soon as they did though I like the franchise and I am glad they did it is a really fun
game.
Ah yes, I ought to have guessed ... you are a gamer. And I am not. I mean, I did waste some time with Pac-Man when it came out, and there are a
couple
others that would come to mind if I thought hard enough on it. And an
old
friend of my was a game designer, with numerous titles to his credit.
So
while I am not totally unaware of computer games and gamers, there's a generation gap between us on that point, at least. I never got into
that
stuff, and had other interests.
My son pretty much wore out my old Commodore Amiga 64 playing games on it. He was about 10 at the time, and imagined that pounding harder on the keyboard and mouse were the same as hitting a ball harder in the "real world";
in
any case, computer games got him interested in computers generally, and he went on to run the IT department at the university where we both attended (though in different decades). And I know that computer games led to many more practical developments; without gamers, for example, our computers
would
probably still have 80 mb hard drives with 256k RAM (or something like that), and we would all be using dial-up to access the Internet.
What I don't understand is why gamers don't develop more games in
Linux,
or at least make them cross-platform. I suppose there are licensing issues,
but
I would think Linux geeks are creative enough to find ways to make games that blow away Windoze and Apple versions.
Bill
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:21 AM, William Morder <
doctor_contendo@zoho.com>
wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 05:38:30 Pisini, John wrote: > Don't use Debian Multimedia with Jessie if you use wine it > completely
hoses
> the sound in any wine programs.
Better yet, don't use wine at all, as Linux usually has better software than anything in Windoze, so I don't see why anybody would take the trouble
of
trying to run wine to emulate them. But we all have different
needs,
so I
will try not to judge....
;-)
Myself, however, I prefer VideoLAN or the MEPIS / mx / antiX repositories. I would use deb-multimedia as a last resort. Also you must be sure
that
you
get the "genuine" deb-multimedia, not the fake site and repository that somebody else is hosting.
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Years ago I added a request for klcddimmer and they did add that which I am grateful for. I did open a feature request at one point for the Comic icons and honestly I don't know what happened to it I can't find it now. Was it closed did I do something wrong? I have seen others mention the mixed folders thing so I assumed they were aware of it as it even happens on 4.0.5. It maybe the type of disk I keep all my backups on an NTFS volume because I may need access to it someday and not have a Linux computer available like if there is a fire or something and it can be read from any type of system in emergencies, Plus I make duplicates of it for family members as it houses decades of family photos and videos that I would be crushed if lost.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 2:27 PM, William Morder doctor_contendo@zoho.com wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 11:14:29 Pisini, John wrote:
I'm with you Trinity makes a lot of sense on how things are put together and gives you as much or as little control as you want. I think the issue is the KDE devs talk down on TDE they don't like the fact that it was forked. I don't hear the same grumblings from Gnome devs they don't seem
to
care if you want to stay on Mate just leave them alone to do their thing. For me Trinity is one of the best Desktop environments out there. I don't care for how dated Konq has gotten and I wish they would add thumbnail support for new types of movies, epubs and other book formats, along with Comic archives such as CBR and CBZ myself. My only real issue is Konq is
it
always gets confused in tree view and mixes my external disks into the
tree
which is goofy as heck and makes moving tons of files beyond clunky. I am happy to stay with Trinity I don't need a wiz bang gui with wobbly windows and buttons that don't look like buttons, I need a window manager that manages windows and gets out of the way and Trinity does that very well.
You ought to submit a request for Konqueror to support those features. A few years ago I asked that two or three items were added to Trinity, and the devs came through in a couple weeks. Of course, your request is different than asking that some abandoned packages be redone and added to the Trinity repositories; but TDE needs to adapt to new things, so maybe they will come through for you on that. Otherwise, maybe it will spur them to create something new to replace Konqueror.
Bill
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 1:44 PM, William Morder <
doctor_contendo@zoho.com>
wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 10:08:38 Pisini, John wrote:
Yeah if it hadn't been for games I would probably not be a systems administrator today it got me interested in PCs. They also have made
my
relationship with my daughter stronger as we can talk about the same
things
and play together. I think the real issue with new games for Linux is the time it takes hundreds sometimes thousands of hours to make a decent products and with Linux most people are doing things in their spare time. So trying to find the dozen or so people that have all
the
skills needed and coordinate them all remote is very tough. It gives
a
greater appreciation for all the people that are keeping TDE alive.
Better start a new thread, as this shows signs of going far off-topic.
Very true about TDE. If it weren't for TDE, I would almost be inclined
to
give up computers altogether - even though I know that's a practical impossibility in this world. I dabble a little with other desktops, and occasionally must use a Windoze or rotten Apple computer, just enough to stay minimally aware of what's going on elsewhere. But honestly, it's only when I am running Debian/Devuan and TDE that I feel in control of my machine. I gave up
on
the 'Buntus because of privacy and control issues, and because they didn't seem to respect their users, and Debian is annoying with its systemd crap, but on the whole it's still pretty good, and Devuan is coming along nicely.
I know that there are other perfectly good distros and desktops out there, and I've tried quite a few of them; but for desktops, Trinity beats
anything
else, hands-down, no question. Anybody who says differently seems to be parroting some corporation's views, and are just showing loyalty to a brand.
In the Trinity desktop, I can make my computer do what I want (although it sometimes takes a bit of work ...); whereas anything else that is
even
close (KDE, LXDE, Mate, Gnome, etc.) frustrates me to no end. I spent about a year or so trying to make the new KDE Plasma as workable as possible, at
least
as a backup plan; but I always get the feeling that I don't really own my own machine, that somebody else has decided what I may or may not do;
for
example, even really innocuous stuff (such as customizing my themes, or preventing my network-manager programs from connecting automatically at startup) is difficult in other desktops, but relatively easy in TDE.
What Trinity needs is to get their desktop accepted into the official repositories; and I believe that it will happen, but it seems that
there
is a lot of opposition to its happening. I am willing to volunteer as a cheerleader, but I don't have the legs any more to wear a skirt.
Bill
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:24 PM, William Morder <
doctor_contendo@zoho.com>
wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 08:06:11 Pisini, John wrote:
I can only speak for myself but I like to play games and some are Windows only but a lot of them will run under wine. A perfect example is Doom
2016
there is no Linux client but it runs pretty well under wine and I am
a
huge
Doom/ID fan going back to the first release in the early 90s of Doom
1
and
even further back of the original Wolfenstein going back to the early
80s.
I don't trust Windows and I will go without a game rather than
install
it to play a game but if I can get the game to run then why not?
I
go the extra mile and buy Linux versions when they are available and I will
write
the company and ask (nicely) for a port, I just recently bought
the
last Tomb Raider as it didn't work well under wine unless you
had a
system
much
better than mine and they didn't have a Linux client. As soon as they did though I like the franchise and I am glad they did it
is a
really fun
game.
Ah yes, I ought to have guessed ... you are a gamer. And I am not.
I
mean, I did waste some time with Pac-Man when it came out, and there are a
couple
others that would come to mind if I thought hard enough on it. And
an
old
friend of my was a game designer, with numerous titles to his
credit.
So
while I am not totally unaware of computer games and gamers,
there's
a generation gap between us on that point, at least. I never got
into
that
stuff, and had other interests.
My son pretty much wore out my old Commodore Amiga 64 playing games on it. He was about 10 at the time, and imagined that pounding harder on the keyboard and mouse were the same as hitting a ball harder in the "real
world";
in
any case, computer games got him interested in computers generally, and he went on to run the IT department at the university where we both
attended
(though in different decades). And I know that computer games led to many more practical developments; without gamers, for example, our computers
would
probably still have 80 mb hard drives with 256k RAM (or something like that), and we would all be using dial-up to access the Internet.
What I don't understand is why gamers don't develop more games in
Linux,
or at least make them cross-platform. I suppose there are licensing
issues,
but
I would think Linux geeks are creative enough to find ways to make games that blow away Windoze and Apple versions.
Bill
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:21 AM, William Morder <
doctor_contendo@zoho.com>
wrote: > On Wednesday 15 August 2018 05:38:30 Pisini, John wrote: > > Don't use Debian Multimedia with Jessie if you use wine it > > completely > > hoses > > > the sound in any wine programs. > > Better yet, don't use wine at all, as Linux usually has better > software than > anything in Windoze, so I don't see why anybody would take the > trouble
of
> trying to run wine to emulate them. But we all have different
needs,
so I
> will try not to judge.... > > ;-) > > Myself, however, I prefer VideoLAN or the MEPIS / mx / antiX > repositories. I > would use deb-multimedia as a last resort. Also you must be
sure
that
you
> get > the "genuine" deb-multimedia, not the fake site and repository > that somebody > else is hosting.
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William Morder composed on 2018-08-15 11:27 (UTC-0700):
On 15 August 2018 14:14 (UTC-0400) Pisini, John wrote:
...My only real issue is Konq is it always gets confused in tree view and>> mixes my external disks into the tree which is goofy as heck and makes moving tons of files beyond clunky.
...
...maybe it will spur them to create something new to replace Konqueror.
Have either of you considered something old to replace your use of Konq as file manager? KDE3[1] has been my primary Linux desktop since day one of using a Linux GUI, and I've /never/ used Konq as a file manager (not counting when it opens on USB stick or OM insertion, where I allow it to open as a mount/umount facility).
OFMs[2] predate Konq by well over a decade. Without any OFM in Linux I probably would still have been using OS/2 until 2-3 years ago (when mozilla.org products for OS/2 got too far behind to catch up and had to be forked).
I (constantly) use two OFMs, MC, which all distros provide, many by default, and FC/L[3]. MC runs on the vttys same as it does in Konsole, so same if you find yourself in a rescue boot as normally).
[1] TDE has been on several PCs here for several years, and most likely will replace KDE4 as primary within the next 5-6 months.
[2] http://www.softpanorama.org/OFM/Paradigm/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_file_manager
[3] http://silk.apana.org.au/fc.html
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 13:17:00 Felix Miata wrote:
William Morder composed on 2018-08-15 11:27 (UTC-0700):
On 15 August 2018 14:14 (UTC-0400) Pisini, John wrote:
...My only real issue is Konq is it always gets confused in tree view and>> mixes my external disks into the tree which is goofy as heck and makes moving tons of files beyond clunky.
...
...maybe it will spur them to create something new to replace Konqueror.
Have either of you considered something old to replace your use of Konq as file manager? KDE3[1] has been my primary Linux desktop since day one of using a Linux GUI, and I've /never/ used Konq as a file manager (not counting when it opens on USB stick or OM insertion, where I allow it to open as a mount/umount facility).
OFMs[2] predate Konq by well over a decade. Without any OFM in Linux I probably would still have been using OS/2 until 2-3 years ago (when mozilla.org products for OS/2 got too far behind to catch up and had to be forked).
I (constantly) use two OFMs, MC, which all distros provide, many by default, and FC/L[3]. MC runs on the vttys same as it does in Konsole, so same if you find yourself in a rescue boot as normally).
[1] TDE has been on several PCs here for several years, and most likely will replace KDE4 as primary within the next 5-6 months.
[2] http://www.softpanorama.org/OFM/Paradigm/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_file_manager
I haven't used MC very much, but I might consider exploring more. Other file managers I've tried are Dolphin (which I dislike, but it has its uses), Nautilus and PCManFM, which are both pretty good, but not as functional as Konqueror. I don't like the fact that Konqueror is *also* a web browser; I would prefer that it is one or the other. But in any case, I disable it as a web browser.
Actually, I myself am satisfied with Konqueror as a file manager, as I only use it in list view, with details, and don't bother with tree views, thumbnails, etc. However, I try to look at things sometimes from other people's viewpoints, and I can see how they might wish for some other features. And what I like about TDE is that it is flexible and adaptable enough that we can each configure it to serve our individual purposes.
OS/2, now there's a blast from the past! I never used it myself, but I have some friends who still pine away for OS/2.
Bill
Re file managers, how do people evaluate Krusader? So far it's my favorite, but maybe I'm missing out on something. -R
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 23:38:14 Robert Peters wrote:
Re file managers, how do people evaluate Krusader? So far it's my favorite, but maybe I'm missing out on something. -R
I use the original bull, the ncurses based mc. In comparison, krusader has a nice pretty face, but its a steer, lacking the tools to do 90% of what mc can do. I guess as someone approaching his 20th year of an exclusively linux house, that dates me as an old fart. Guilty. I've had the great good fortune to have, at 83, outlived all but one of my enemies, (insert pregnant pause) me. :)
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 02.50:01 Dan Youngquist wrote:
On 08/14/2018 05:18 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 08:49:50PM +0200, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
Albinoni, Tomaso - 01 - Concerto No. 1 for Violin in B flat major, Op. 9%2F1: 1. Allegro.ogg
And konqueror does not manage to copy them.
How are you trying to copy them? What steps do you take and what happens when you try it?
Thierry, I renamed a file with your exact filename above, and Konqueror copied it just fine. So I would second Steven's questions.
My Konqueror is 14.0.5.
I simply selected them all in one konqueror pane and fragged-copied them in the other. Konqueror then started to copy them one by one, failed (copy o%), copied the next one, failed, and so on. Konqueror is 14.0.5
opened my home directory in Konquorer, single-clicked on the file, typed Ctrl-C to copy, moved to another directory and typed Ctrl-V to paste, and the file copied fine.
I tried that and.. it worked. Copy was quite slow, but it worked.
So it's the batch copy that failed somewhere.
Thierry
On Wednesday 15 of August 2018 09:01:51 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2018 02.50:01 Dan Youngquist wrote:
On 08/14/2018 05:18 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 08:49:50PM +0200, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
Albinoni, Tomaso - 01 - Concerto No. 1 for Violin in B flat major, Op. 9%2F1: 1. Allegro.ogg
And konqueror does not manage to copy them.
How are you trying to copy them? What steps do you take and what happens when you try it?
Thierry, I renamed a file with your exact filename above, and Konqueror copied it just fine. So I would second Steven's questions.
My Konqueror is 14.0.5.
I simply selected them all in one konqueror pane and fragged-copied them in the other. Konqueror then started to copy them one by one, failed (copy o%), copied the next one, failed, and so on. Konqueror is 14.0.5
opened my home directory in Konquorer, single-clicked on the file, typed Ctrl-C to copy, moved to another directory and typed Ctrl-V to paste, and the file copied fine.
I tried that and.. it worked. Copy was quite slow, but it worked.
So it's the batch copy that failed somewhere.
Thierry
Hi Thierry,
what is the file system you're copying to?
Cheers
On Wed, 15 Aug 2018, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 08:49:50PM +0200, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
[...]
All these files have names as:
Albinoni, Tomaso - 01 - Concerto No. 1 for Violin in B flat major, Op. 9%2F1:
- Allegro.ogg
And konqueror does not manage to copy them.
How are you trying to copy them? What steps do you take and what happens when you try it?
Under Linux, I see no reason why you can't copy that file. I created a test file like this in the shell (bash):
touch "Albinoni concerto%2F1:1. Allegro.ogg"
opened my home directory in Konquorer, single-clicked on the file, typed Ctrl-C to copy, moved to another directory and typed Ctrl-V to paste, and the file copied fine. Unless there's a bug in your version of Konq which mine doesn't have, it should be able to deal with file names containing spaces, colons and percent signs easily.
The way I use konqueror as a file manager is by using split screen: with one directory in the left pane, and the other directory in the right pane. It's simple drag-n-drop after that. What makes it so very, VERY convenient is konqueror's sftp:// ability. I develop web pages locally and upload them to the live web site via konqueror.
Of course there is so much more you can do. Right click on a file and open in another tab. Right click and open in kwrite. Etc., usw.
I have NEVER had problems processing "weird named files" in konqueror. (Tho', myself, I eschew such abominations....)
HTH, Jonesy
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