3 Feb
2015
3 Feb
'15
2:18 a.m.
greetings, folks . . .
i don't know if this is a bug or if i'm doing something wrong here.
the plan was to burn my 20-gig mail directory to a blu-ray m-disc for
archive purposes -- m-discs are supposed to last without degrading for
1000 years. in order to burn blu-ray, i understand that i need to use
cdrecord, which is fine. so i got and installed it, but k3b-trinity says
it can't find it. oddly, k3b from kde4x found it just fine, and it works.
i prefer k3b-trinity. but i have no idea what i can do to make it find
cdrecord. additionally, i'd guess that because cdrecord overwrote whatever
was there before, i can't use k3b-trinity for anything anymore.
is this a known issue?
--
dep
The shortest distance between you and playing great acoustic guitar:
the great new instructional DVDs from Marjorie Thompson,
available at www.MarjorieThompson.com
3 Feb
3 Feb
7:31 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] k3b-trinity and blu-ray
On Tuesday 03 February 2015, dep wrote:
greetings, folks . . .
i don't know if this is a bug or if i'm doing something wrong here.
the plan was to burn my 20-gig mail directory to a blu-ray m-disc
for archive purposes -- m-discs are supposed to last without
degrading for 1000 years. in order to burn blu-ray, i understand
that i need to use cdrecord, which is fine. so i got and installed
it, but k3b-trinity says it can't find it. oddly, k3b from kde4x
found it just fine, and it works.
If it helps in any way I attached a picture of my
setup of external
programs. Obviously cdrecord is not in the list K3B looks for. It's
installed here as well though.
i prefer k3b-trinity. but i have no idea what i can do
to make it
find cdrecord. additionally, i'd guess that because cdrecord
overwrote whatever was there before, i can't use k3b-trinity for
anything anymore.
Is wodim installed at your system? Can you restart the search
again?
Does this change anything?
Gerhard
5:29 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] k3b-trinity and blu-ray -- possibly solved
said Gerhard Zintel:
| > i prefer k3b-trinity. but i have no idea what i can do to make it
| > find cdrecord. additionally, i'd guess that because cdrecord
| > overwrote whatever was there before, i can't use k3b-trinity for
| > anything anymore.
|
| Is wodim installed at your system? Can you restart the search again?
| Does this change anything?
to burn blu-ray, one apparently needs genuine cdrecord and not wodim. i
added a fully qualified path to crrecord in the programs tab and now it
sees it. i have not tried to burn a blu-ray disc with it yet, though --
made the one i needed with the kde4 k3b, and the discs cost nearly $10
each, so i'm disinclined to devote any of them to experimentation unless
the result is something i need . . .
--
dep
The shortest distance between you and playing great acoustic guitar:
the great new instructional DVDs from Marjorie Thompson,
available at www.MarjorieThompson.com
23 Feb
23 Feb
7:51 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] k3b-trinity and blu-ray -- possibly solved
On Tuesday 03 February 2015 08:29:46 am dep wrote:
said Gerhard Zintel:
| > i prefer k3b-trinity. but i have no idea what i can do to make it
| > find cdrecord. additionally, i'd guess that because cdrecord
| > overwrote whatever was there before, i can't use k3b-trinity for
| > anything anymore.
|
| Is wodim installed at your system? Can you restart the search again?
| Does this change anything?
to burn blu-ray, one apparently needs genuine cdrecord and not wodim. i
added a fully qualified path to crrecord in the programs tab and now it
sees it. i have not tried to burn a blu-ray disc with it yet, though --
made the one i needed with the kde4 k3b, and the discs cost nearly $10
each, so i'm disinclined to devote any of them to experimentation unless
the result is something i need . . .
I use the following for media, the price is in the affordable range for me.
http://www.supermediastore.com/category/u/blank-recordable-blu-ray-bd-r-re-…
k3b in Trinity, v1.05, does not support bluray.....even with cdrecord from
jorg schilling.
I installed k3b from Debian, v 2.02, it works fine..to many depends but
o'well.
I started out with the following procedure, like the way I can loop mount a
udf file and mange the contents, I like the independance of the cli.
#create udf file system
truncate --size=25GB /pub/bluray.udf
mkudffs /pub/bluray.udf
#mount udf filsystem, copy files
sudo mount -oloop,rw /pub/mybr.udf /mnt/bluray
sudo chown <owner.user> /mnt/bluray
#burn image
growisofs -speed=6 -Z /dev/dvd=/pub/bluray.udf
'truncate' is part of the 'coreutils' package, also libudf0 , udftools.
--
Peace,
Greg
5:10 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] k3b-trinity and blu-ray -- possibly solved
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On Tuesday 03 February 2015 08:29:46 am dep wrote:
I'm not surprised at that; I boycotted Blu-Ray a long time ago due to it's
primary use as a DRM enforcement technology* and therefore don't have any
Blu-Ray equipment with which to enhance k3b.
Tim
* At the time of recordable media introduction both hard disk and tape
backup were far more cost effective, and since there is no way to generate
a "real" Blu-Ray video disk along the lines of DVDs (players normally
treat commercial and amateur disks very differently) the entire technology
is not much different from some of the old video game console
disks--useless outside their intended DRM-laced roles.
said Gerhard Zintel:
| > i prefer k3b-trinity. but i have no idea what i can do to make it
| > find cdrecord. additionally, i'd guess that because cdrecord
| > overwrote whatever was there before, i can't use k3b-trinity for
| > anything anymore.
|
| Is wodim installed at your system? Can you restart the search again?
| Does this change anything?
to burn blu-ray, one apparently needs genuine cdrecord and not wodim. i
added a fully qualified path to crrecord in the programs tab and now it
sees it. i have not tried to burn a blu-ray disc with it yet, though --
made the one i needed with the kde4 k3b, and the discs cost nearly $10
each, so i'm disinclined to devote any of them to experimentation unless
the result is something i need . . .
I use the following for media, the price is in the affordable range for
me.
http://www.supermediastore.com/category/u/blank-recordable-blu-ray-bd-r-re-…
k3b in Trinity, v1.05, does not support bluray.....even with cdrecord from
jorg schilling.
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8:22 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] k3b-trinity and blu-ray -- possibly solved
On Monday 23 February 2015 18.10:52 Timothy Pearson wrote:
I'm not surprised at that; I boycotted Blu-Ray a
long time ago due to it's
primary use as a DRM enforcement technology* and therefore don't have any
Blu-Ray equipment with which to enhance k3b.
Tim
I've ordered an external burner - I'm not interrested in Blu-Ray itself, but
my Photo archive would require dozens of DVDs to secure (I remember
creating a set of 25 floppies to install OS/2, but that was long time ago).
I understand Blu-Ray uses DRM to handle video, but does this mean it's also
required to burn data? I want to burn Blu-Ray M-Discs (data only).
I'll switch to another OS if necessary (as it would only be for an archival
process) but of course I'd rather do it with Linux (and Trinity if possible).
If I can provide any information once the hardware is there...
Thierry
8:54 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] k3b-trinity and blu-ray -- possibly solved
Sorry to intrude but...
Did you ever thought using USB keys?
It costs (almost) nothing, it is fast and you can rewrite the medium as
often as you want!
Here in canada you can find a 64Gb USB stick in supermarkets under CAN
50.00$
I have made my backups on USB sticks (not even compressing the data)
with rsync for years without any problem.
I bought 4 64Gb sticks and rotate them.
I had to restore some times and never had any problem.
Just wanted to add a view on an easy storage medium here...
midi-pascal
On 15-02-23 03:22 PM, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Monday 23 February 2015 18.10:52 Timothy Pearson
wrote:
I'm not surprised at that; I boycotted
Blu-Ray a long time ago due to it's
primary use as a DRM enforcement technology* and therefore don't have any
Blu-Ray equipment with which to enhance k3b.
Tim
I've ordered an external burner - I'm not interrested in Blu-Ray
itself, but
my Photo archive would require dozens of DVDs to secure (I remember
creating a set of 25 floppies to install OS/2, but that was long time ago).
I understand Blu-Ray uses DRM to handle video, but does this mean it's also
required to burn data? I want to burn Blu-Ray M-Discs (data only).
I'll switch to another OS if necessary (as it would only be for an archival
process) but of course I'd rather do it with Linux (and Trinity if possible).
If I can provide any information once the hardware is there...
Thierry
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didn't see this earlier.
blu-ray mdiscs for data behave just like bib dvds. one issue i encountered is that if you
try to put too much on one, it both refuses to burn and throws all sorts of inscrutable
errors that do not hint at the real cause -- trying to put too much stuff on the disc. to
be save, don't try to get 25 gigs on one, but instead call it quits a bit before then.
you must also disable multi-session. you get one shot at each disc.
dep
On Feb 23, 2015, at 3:54 PM, midi-pascal
<midi-pascal(a)videotron.ca> wrote:
Sorry to intrude but...
Did you ever thought using USB keys?
It costs (almost) nothing, it is fast and you can rewrite the medium as often as you
want!
Here in canada you can find a 64Gb USB stick in supermarkets under CAN 50.00$
I have made my backups on USB sticks (not even compressing the data) with rsync for years
without any problem.
I bought 4 64Gb sticks and rotate them.
I had to restore some times and never had any problem.
Just wanted to add a view on an easy storage medium here...
midi-pascal
On 15-02-23 03:22 PM, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
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On Monday 23 February 2015 18.10:52 Timothy
Pearson wrote:
I'm not surprised at that; I boycotted Blu-Ray a long time ago due to it's
primary use as a DRM enforcement technology* and therefore don't have any
Blu-Ray equipment with which to enhance k3b.
Tim
I've ordered an external burner - I'm not interrested in Blu-Ray
itself, but
my Photo archive would require dozens of DVDs to secure (I remember
creating a set of 25 floppies to install OS/2, but that was long time ago).
I understand Blu-Ray uses DRM to handle video, but does this mean it's also
required to burn data? I want to burn Blu-Ray M-Discs (data only).
I'll switch to another OS if necessary (as it would only be for an archival
process) but of course I'd rather do it with Linux (and Trinity if possible).
If I can provide any information once the hardware is there...
Thierry
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9:36 p.m.
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That's exactly why I brought USB sticks to your attention,
USB stick requires no additional hardware (no burner): they are
recognized automagically by Linux as disks.
As long as you have an USB port available, plug the stick, format it
like an external disk if you want - since most of them are pre-formated
in fat32 so you cannot put a file bigger than 4Gb on them.
I formated mines as Ext4 so they are seen as external 'normal' drives by
the OS.
You can read and write on an USB stick as often as you like.
I even use USB sticks as boot devices to install Trinity on PC's.
And these devices are small, fast, and keep your data safe for years!
I used them for years and never had any problem of any kind, even in
severe weather conditions like the ones we have here (from -35C to +30C).
I even lost one in water and it kept its data (after a slow drying, I
admit :-)
Regards,
midi-pascal
On 15-02-23 04:08 PM, dep wrote:
didn't see this earlier.
blu-ray mdiscs for data behave just like bib dvds. one issue i encountered is that if you
try to put too much on one, it both refuses to burn and throws all sorts of inscrutable
errors that do not hint at the real cause -- trying to put too much stuff on the disc. to
be save, don't try to get 25 gigs on one, but instead call it quits a bit before then.
you must also disable multi-session. you get one shot at each disc.
dep
On Feb 23, 2015, at 3:54 PM, midi-pascal
<midi-pascal(a)videotron.ca> wrote:
Sorry to intrude but...
Did you ever thought using USB keys?
It costs (almost) nothing, it is fast and you can rewrite the medium as often as you
want!
Here in canada you can find a 64Gb USB stick in supermarkets under CAN 50.00$
I have made my backups on USB sticks (not even compressing the data) with rsync for years
without any problem.
I bought 4 64Gb sticks and rotate them.
I had to restore some times and never had any problem.
Just wanted to add a view on an easy storage medium here...
midi-pascal
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On Monday 23 February 2015 18.10:52 Timothy
Pearson wrote:
I'm not surprised at that; I boycotted Blu-Ray a long time ago due to it's
primary use as a DRM enforcement technology* and therefore don't have any
Blu-Ray equipment with which to enhance k3b.
Tim
I've ordered an external burner - I'm not interrested in Blu-Ray
itself, but
my Photo archive would require dozens of DVDs to secure (I remember
creating a set of 25 floppies to install OS/2, but that was long time ago).
I understand Blu-Ray uses DRM to handle video, but does this mean it's also
required to burn data? I want to burn Blu-Ray M-Discs (data only).
I'll switch to another OS if necessary (as it would only be for an archival
process) but of course I'd rather do it with Linux (and Trinity if possible).
If I can provide any information once the hardware is there...
Thierry
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9:50 p.m.
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said dep:
| blu-ray mdiscs for data behave just like bib dvds.
meant *big* dvds -- not ones employed while eating lobster (or strained
peas when either very young or very old).
--
dep
The shortest distance between you and playing great acoustic guitar:
the great new instructional DVDs from Marjorie Thompson,
available at www.MarjorieThompson.com
9:33 p.m.
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On Monday 23 February 2015 21.54:54 midi-pascal wrote:
Sorry to intrude but...
Did you ever thought using USB keys?
It costs (almost) nothing, it is fast and you can rewrite the medium as
often as you want!
Here in canada you can find a 64Gb USB stick in supermarkets under CAN
50.00$
I have made my backups on USB sticks (not even compressing the data)
with rsync for years without any problem.
I bought 4 64Gb sticks and rotate them.
I had to restore some times and never had any problem.
Just wanted to add a view on an easy storage medium here...
midi-pascal
No reson to be sorry. But I've seen to many USB keys die, they are cheap and
unliable. M-Discs are said to be good for 500 years... although I'll be dead
long before anyone knows if that's true :)
Thierry
9:50 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] k3b-trinity and blu-ray -- possibly solved
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Thierry de Coulon <tcoulon(a)decoulon.ch> wrote:
No reson to be sorry. But I've seen to many USB
keys die, they are cheap and
unliable. M-Discs are said to be good for 500 years... although I'll be dead
long before anyone knows if that's true :)
I bought a few DVD-RAM having read about their long term storage,
which did not pan out at all.
--
The secret of happiness is freedom,
and the secret of freedom is courage.
- Thucydides
10:02 p.m.
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Like for everything else there are various qualities in USB sticks.
Perhaps I have been extremely lucky up to now... but never had any problem!
In times I had more trouble with DVD's and burners than with USB keys:
. burn a DVD for someone and then it cannot be read on her PC or
DVD player (heads alignment)
. a scratch on the medium -> you are done :-(
I rolled once on an USB stick with my chair and it still works! I doubt
a DVD had survived this attack.
Not taking the price in account: this is a rewritable device - perhaps
not forever but all depends on how long you want to keep your data...
I recently read an interesting article about this: your data can safely
be written for the eternity but... in ten years there will be no device
to read it!
As an example, try to find a brand new PC with a disquette reader...
Regards,
midi-pascal
On 15-02-23 04:33 PM, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Monday 23 February 2015 21.54:54 midi-pascal
wrote:
Sorry to intrude but...
Did you ever thought using USB keys?
It costs (almost) nothing, it is fast and you can rewrite the medium as
often as you want!
Here in canada you can find a 64Gb USB stick in supermarkets under CAN
50.00$
I have made my backups on USB sticks (not even compressing the data)
with rsync for years without any problem.
I bought 4 64Gb sticks and rotate them.
I had to restore some times and never had any problem.
Just wanted to add a view on an easy storage medium here...
midi-pascal
No reson to be sorry. But I've seen to many USB keys die, they are
cheap and
unliable. M-Discs are said to be good for 500 years... although I'll be dead
long before anyone knows if that's true :)
Thierry
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24 Feb
3:31 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] k3b-trinity and blu-ray -- possibly solved
On Monday 23 February 2015 11:22:02 am Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Monday 23 February 2015 18.10:52 Timothy Pearson
wrote:
No drm for data/personal use; is the drm on the movie discs or in the
firmare ?
bluray comes in 25,50 & 100 gb discs. The 100 gb are $25+ per disc, the 25gb
~ $1.25. The cli tools for udf, bluray, burning are robust.
Some considerations I have discovered for archiving, archive the software,
hardware, software are needed also.
USB keys have some compelling features, usb is ubiqutious, how long it will be
an IO available on a pc is unknowable..there are quite a few deprecated IO
interfaces for pc's.
--
Peace,
Greg
I'm not surprised at that; I boycotted
Blu-Ray a long time ago due to
it's primary use as a DRM enforcement technology* and therefore don't
have any Blu-Ray equipment with which to enhance k3b.
Tim
I've ordered an external burner - I'm not interrested in Blu-Ray itself,
but my Photo archive would require dozens of DVDs to secure (I remember
creating a set of 25 floppies to install OS/2, but that was long time ago).
I understand Blu-Ray uses DRM to handle video, but does this mean it's also
required to burn data? I want to burn Blu-Ray M-Discs (data only).
I'll switch to another OS if necessary (as it would only be for an
archival process) but of course I'd rather do it with Linux (and Trinity if
possible).
If I can provide any information once the hardware is there...
Thierry
4:55 a.m.
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On Monday 23 February 2015 11:22:02 am Thierry de Coulon wrote:
Both actually. Commercial disks are encrypted with the keys distributed
to the players in their firmware AFAIK--this makes it so that only select
manufacturers can play and/or create commercial video disks.
For most uses there are better options than Blu-Ray disks; there is a
small window in around the 100GB range that they might be useful but
honestly it would be more reliable at similar cost to buy a used LTO tape
system for that purpose. In general I wouldn't trust organic optical
media; the lifetimes are much, much shorter than typically stated even
when stored in a cool dry environment. Blu-Ray disks' primary use is for
DRMed movie distribution; if it weren't for that they would have become
obsolete long ago. :-)
Tim
On Monday 23 February 2015 18.10:52 Timothy
Pearson wrote:
No drm for data/personal use; is the drm on the movie discs or in the
firmare ? I'm not surprised at that; I boycotted
Blu-Ray a long time ago due to
it's primary use as a DRM enforcement technology* and therefore don't
have any Blu-Ray equipment with which to enhance k3b.
Tim
I've ordered an external burner - I'm not interrested in Blu-Ray itself,
but my Photo archive would require dozens of DVDs to secure (I remember
creating a set of 25 floppies to install OS/2, but that was long time
ago).
I understand Blu-Ray uses DRM to handle video, but does this mean it's
also
required to burn data? I want to burn Blu-Ray M-Discs (data only).
I'll switch to another OS if necessary (as it would only be for an
archival process) but of course I'd rather do it with Linux (and Trinity
if
possible).
If I can provide any information once the hardware is there...
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3 Feb
3 Feb
7:58 a.m.
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On Monday 02 February 2015 05:18:39 pm dep wrote:
greetings, folks . . .
i don't know if this is a bug or if i'm doing something wrong here.
the plan was to burn my 20-gig mail directory to a blu-ray m-disc for
archive purposes -- m-discs are supposed to last without degrading for
1000 years. in order to burn blu-ray, i understand that i need to use
cdrecord, which is fine. so i got and installed it, but k3b-trinity says
it can't find it. oddly, k3b from kde4x found it just fine, and it works.
i prefer k3b-trinity. but i have no idea what i can do to make it find
cdrecord. additionally, i'd guess that because cdrecord overwrote whatever
was there before, i can't use k3b-trinity for anything anymore.
is this a known issue?
I have cdrecord installed, k3b uses it. You may have to add the 'path' to
cdrecord et al in k3b settings.
I do not know how to use k3b to burn blu-ray, it seems to only recognize cd,
dvd, a blu-ray file says I have exceeded space on device.
I did compile cdrecord myself..but it is in the path..permissions?
--
Peace,
Greg
11:10 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] k3b-trinity and blu-ray
On Tuesday 03 February 2015, Greg Madden wrote:
I have cdrecord installed, k3b uses it. You may have to add the
'path' to cdrecord et al in k3b settings.
I just realize for me cdrecord is
a link to wodim. I wondered why
there is an executable cdrecord in /usr/bin that is not found.
I did compile cdrecord myself..but it is in the
path..permissions?
That explains it.
BTW: Not to flood the mailing list a screen kapture of only the
windows (using ksnapshot) would have been sufficient ;-)
Gerhard
2:02 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] k3b-trinity and blu-ray
On Tuesday 03 February 2015 07:58:32 Greg Madden wrote:
I have cdrecord installed, k3b uses it. You may have
to add the 'path' to
cdrecord et al in k3b settings.
I do not know how to use k3b to burn blu-ray, it seems to only recognize
cd, dvd, a blu-ray file says I have exceeded space on device.
I did compile cdrecord myself..but it is in the path..permissions?
I have cdrecord installed by default. My K3b is vanilla. I have no bluetooth
device so I cannot check it for bluetooth.
Lisi
4 Feb
4 Feb
1:48 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] k3b-trinity and blu-ray
On Tuesday 03 February 2015 05:02:10 am Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Tuesday 03 February 2015 07:58:32 Greg Madden
wrote:
Is 'cdrecord' a link to something else..'wodim'? It has been quite a few
years since it was included natively in..Debian at least.
cdrecord/cdrtools is property of Jörg Schilling, his tools have been copied &
renamed for use in Linux by others.
I used cdrecord-ProDVD by Jorg back in the Corel Linux days to burn my first
dvd..back when dvd writers were expensie. cdrecord was/is the defacto
standard for scsi burners.
--
Peace,
Greg
I have cdrecord installed, k3b uses it. You may
have to add the 'path' to
cdrecord et al in k3b settings.
I do not know how to use k3b to burn blu-ray, it seems to only recognize
cd, dvd, a blu-ray file says I have exceeded space on device.
I did compile cdrecord myself..but it is in the path..permissions?
I have cdrecord installed by default. My K3b is vanilla. I have no
bluetooth device so I cannot check it for bluetooth.
Lisi
10:05 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] k3b-trinity and blu-ray
On Wednesday 04 February 2015, Greg Madden wrote:
Is 'cdrecord' a link to something
else..'wodim'? It has been quite
a few years since it was included natively in..Debian at least.
a few mail ago I stated that for me, it is a link:
$ ls -l /usr/bin/cdrecord
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 Sep 14 2013 /usr/bin/cdrecord -> wodim*
It's on Mint, should be the same in Debian therefore.
Gerhard
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