greetings, folks . . .
i don't know if this is a bug or if i'm doing something wrong here.
the plan was to burn my 20-gig mail directory to a blu-ray m-disc for archive purposes -- m-discs are supposed to last without degrading for 1000 years. in order to burn blu-ray, i understand that i need to use cdrecord, which is fine. so i got and installed it, but k3b-trinity says it can't find it. oddly, k3b from kde4x found it just fine, and it works.
i prefer k3b-trinity. but i have no idea what i can do to make it find cdrecord. additionally, i'd guess that because cdrecord overwrote whatever was there before, i can't use k3b-trinity for anything anymore.
is this a known issue?
On Tuesday 03 February 2015, dep wrote:
greetings, folks . . .
i don't know if this is a bug or if i'm doing something wrong here.
the plan was to burn my 20-gig mail directory to a blu-ray m-disc for archive purposes -- m-discs are supposed to last without degrading for 1000 years. in order to burn blu-ray, i understand that i need to use cdrecord, which is fine. so i got and installed it, but k3b-trinity says it can't find it. oddly, k3b from kde4x found it just fine, and it works.
If it helps in any way I attached a picture of my setup of external programs. Obviously cdrecord is not in the list K3B looks for. It's installed here as well though.
i prefer k3b-trinity. but i have no idea what i can do to make it find cdrecord. additionally, i'd guess that because cdrecord overwrote whatever was there before, i can't use k3b-trinity for anything anymore.
Is wodim installed at your system? Can you restart the search again? Does this change anything?
Gerhard
said Gerhard Zintel:
| > i prefer k3b-trinity. but i have no idea what i can do to make it | > find cdrecord. additionally, i'd guess that because cdrecord | > overwrote whatever was there before, i can't use k3b-trinity for | > anything anymore. | | Is wodim installed at your system? Can you restart the search again? | Does this change anything?
to burn blu-ray, one apparently needs genuine cdrecord and not wodim. i added a fully qualified path to crrecord in the programs tab and now it sees it. i have not tried to burn a blu-ray disc with it yet, though -- made the one i needed with the kde4 k3b, and the discs cost nearly $10 each, so i'm disinclined to devote any of them to experimentation unless the result is something i need . . .
On Tuesday 03 February 2015 08:29:46 am dep wrote:
said Gerhard Zintel: | > i prefer k3b-trinity. but i have no idea what i can do to make it | > find cdrecord. additionally, i'd guess that because cdrecord | > overwrote whatever was there before, i can't use k3b-trinity for | > anything anymore. | | Is wodim installed at your system? Can you restart the search again? | Does this change anything?
to burn blu-ray, one apparently needs genuine cdrecord and not wodim. i added a fully qualified path to crrecord in the programs tab and now it sees it. i have not tried to burn a blu-ray disc with it yet, though -- made the one i needed with the kde4 k3b, and the discs cost nearly $10 each, so i'm disinclined to devote any of them to experimentation unless the result is something i need . . .
I use the following for media, the price is in the affordable range for me. http://www.supermediastore.com/category/u/blank-recordable-blu-ray-bd-r-re-d...
k3b in Trinity, v1.05, does not support bluray.....even with cdrecord from jorg schilling.
I installed k3b from Debian, v 2.02, it works fine..to many depends but o'well.
I started out with the following procedure, like the way I can loop mount a udf file and mange the contents, I like the independance of the cli.
#create udf file system truncate --size=25GB /pub/bluray.udf mkudffs /pub/bluray.udf
#mount udf filsystem, copy files sudo mount -oloop,rw /pub/mybr.udf /mnt/bluray sudo chown <owner.user> /mnt/bluray
#burn image growisofs -speed=6 -Z /dev/dvd=/pub/bluray.udf
'truncate' is part of the 'coreutils' package, also libudf0 , udftools.
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On Tuesday 03 February 2015 08:29:46 am dep wrote:
said Gerhard Zintel: | > i prefer k3b-trinity. but i have no idea what i can do to make it | > find cdrecord. additionally, i'd guess that because cdrecord | > overwrote whatever was there before, i can't use k3b-trinity for | > anything anymore. | | Is wodim installed at your system? Can you restart the search again? | Does this change anything?
to burn blu-ray, one apparently needs genuine cdrecord and not wodim. i added a fully qualified path to crrecord in the programs tab and now it sees it. i have not tried to burn a blu-ray disc with it yet, though -- made the one i needed with the kde4 k3b, and the discs cost nearly $10 each, so i'm disinclined to devote any of them to experimentation unless the result is something i need . . .
I use the following for media, the price is in the affordable range for me. http://www.supermediastore.com/category/u/blank-recordable-blu-ray-bd-r-re-d...
k3b in Trinity, v1.05, does not support bluray.....even with cdrecord from jorg schilling.
I installed k3b from Debian, v 2.02, it works fine..to many depends but o'well.
I'm not surprised at that; I boycotted Blu-Ray a long time ago due to it's primary use as a DRM enforcement technology* and therefore don't have any Blu-Ray equipment with which to enhance k3b.
Tim
* At the time of recordable media introduction both hard disk and tape backup were far more cost effective, and since there is no way to generate a "real" Blu-Ray video disk along the lines of DVDs (players normally treat commercial and amateur disks very differently) the entire technology is not much different from some of the old video game console disks--useless outside their intended DRM-laced roles.
On Monday 23 February 2015 18.10:52 Timothy Pearson wrote:
I'm not surprised at that; I boycotted Blu-Ray a long time ago due to it's primary use as a DRM enforcement technology* and therefore don't have any Blu-Ray equipment with which to enhance k3b.
Tim
I've ordered an external burner - I'm not interrested in Blu-Ray itself, but my Photo archive would require dozens of DVDs to secure (I remember creating a set of 25 floppies to install OS/2, but that was long time ago).
I understand Blu-Ray uses DRM to handle video, but does this mean it's also required to burn data? I want to burn Blu-Ray M-Discs (data only).
I'll switch to another OS if necessary (as it would only be for an archival process) but of course I'd rather do it with Linux (and Trinity if possible).
If I can provide any information once the hardware is there...
Thierry
Sorry to intrude but...
Did you ever thought using USB keys? It costs (almost) nothing, it is fast and you can rewrite the medium as often as you want! Here in canada you can find a 64Gb USB stick in supermarkets under CAN 50.00$ I have made my backups on USB sticks (not even compressing the data) with rsync for years without any problem. I bought 4 64Gb sticks and rotate them. I had to restore some times and never had any problem.
Just wanted to add a view on an easy storage medium here...
midi-pascal
On 15-02-23 03:22 PM, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Monday 23 February 2015 18.10:52 Timothy Pearson wrote:
I'm not surprised at that; I boycotted Blu-Ray a long time ago due to it's primary use as a DRM enforcement technology* and therefore don't have any Blu-Ray equipment with which to enhance k3b.
Tim
I've ordered an external burner - I'm not interrested in Blu-Ray itself, but my Photo archive would require dozens of DVDs to secure (I remember creating a set of 25 floppies to install OS/2, but that was long time ago).
I understand Blu-Ray uses DRM to handle video, but does this mean it's also required to burn data? I want to burn Blu-Ray M-Discs (data only).
I'll switch to another OS if necessary (as it would only be for an archival process) but of course I'd rather do it with Linux (and Trinity if possible).
If I can provide any information once the hardware is there...
Thierry
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didn't see this earlier.
blu-ray mdiscs for data behave just like bib dvds. one issue i encountered is that if you try to put too much on one, it both refuses to burn and throws all sorts of inscrutable errors that do not hint at the real cause -- trying to put too much stuff on the disc. to be save, don't try to get 25 gigs on one, but instead call it quits a bit before then. you must also disable multi-session. you get one shot at each disc.
dep
On Feb 23, 2015, at 3:54 PM, midi-pascal midi-pascal@videotron.ca wrote:
Sorry to intrude but...
Did you ever thought using USB keys? It costs (almost) nothing, it is fast and you can rewrite the medium as often as you want! Here in canada you can find a 64Gb USB stick in supermarkets under CAN 50.00$ I have made my backups on USB sticks (not even compressing the data) with rsync for years without any problem. I bought 4 64Gb sticks and rotate them. I had to restore some times and never had any problem.
Just wanted to add a view on an easy storage medium here...
midi-pascal
On 15-02-23 03:22 PM, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Monday 23 February 2015 18.10:52 Timothy Pearson wrote: I'm not surprised at that; I boycotted Blu-Ray a long time ago due to it's primary use as a DRM enforcement technology* and therefore don't have any Blu-Ray equipment with which to enhance k3b.
Tim
I've ordered an external burner - I'm not interrested in Blu-Ray itself, but my Photo archive would require dozens of DVDs to secure (I remember creating a set of 25 floppies to install OS/2, but that was long time ago).
I understand Blu-Ray uses DRM to handle video, but does this mean it's also required to burn data? I want to burn Blu-Ray M-Discs (data only).
I'll switch to another OS if necessary (as it would only be for an archival process) but of course I'd rather do it with Linux (and Trinity if possible).
If I can provide any information once the hardware is there...
Thierry
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That's exactly why I brought USB sticks to your attention, USB stick requires no additional hardware (no burner): they are recognized automagically by Linux as disks. As long as you have an USB port available, plug the stick, format it like an external disk if you want - since most of them are pre-formated in fat32 so you cannot put a file bigger than 4Gb on them. I formated mines as Ext4 so they are seen as external 'normal' drives by the OS. You can read and write on an USB stick as often as you like. I even use USB sticks as boot devices to install Trinity on PC's.
And these devices are small, fast, and keep your data safe for years! I used them for years and never had any problem of any kind, even in severe weather conditions like the ones we have here (from -35C to +30C). I even lost one in water and it kept its data (after a slow drying, I admit :-)
Regards, midi-pascal
On 15-02-23 04:08 PM, dep wrote:
didn't see this earlier.
blu-ray mdiscs for data behave just like bib dvds. one issue i encountered is that if you try to put too much on one, it both refuses to burn and throws all sorts of inscrutable errors that do not hint at the real cause -- trying to put too much stuff on the disc. to be save, don't try to get 25 gigs on one, but instead call it quits a bit before then. you must also disable multi-session. you get one shot at each disc.
dep
On Feb 23, 2015, at 3:54 PM, midi-pascal midi-pascal@videotron.ca wrote:
Sorry to intrude but...
Did you ever thought using USB keys? It costs (almost) nothing, it is fast and you can rewrite the medium as often as you want! Here in canada you can find a 64Gb USB stick in supermarkets under CAN 50.00$ I have made my backups on USB sticks (not even compressing the data) with rsync for years without any problem. I bought 4 64Gb sticks and rotate them. I had to restore some times and never had any problem.
Just wanted to add a view on an easy storage medium here...
midi-pascal
On 15-02-23 03:22 PM, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Monday 23 February 2015 18.10:52 Timothy Pearson wrote: I'm not surprised at that; I boycotted Blu-Ray a long time ago due to it's primary use as a DRM enforcement technology* and therefore don't have any Blu-Ray equipment with which to enhance k3b.
Tim
I've ordered an external burner - I'm not interrested in Blu-Ray itself, but my Photo archive would require dozens of DVDs to secure (I remember creating a set of 25 floppies to install OS/2, but that was long time ago).
I understand Blu-Ray uses DRM to handle video, but does this mean it's also required to burn data? I want to burn Blu-Ray M-Discs (data only).
I'll switch to another OS if necessary (as it would only be for an archival process) but of course I'd rather do it with Linux (and Trinity if possible).
If I can provide any information once the hardware is there...
Thierry
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said dep:
| blu-ray mdiscs for data behave just like bib dvds.
meant *big* dvds -- not ones employed while eating lobster (or strained peas when either very young or very old).
On Monday 23 February 2015 21.54:54 midi-pascal wrote:
Sorry to intrude but...
Did you ever thought using USB keys? It costs (almost) nothing, it is fast and you can rewrite the medium as often as you want! Here in canada you can find a 64Gb USB stick in supermarkets under CAN 50.00$ I have made my backups on USB sticks (not even compressing the data) with rsync for years without any problem. I bought 4 64Gb sticks and rotate them. I had to restore some times and never had any problem.
Just wanted to add a view on an easy storage medium here...
midi-pascal
No reson to be sorry. But I've seen to many USB keys die, they are cheap and unliable. M-Discs are said to be good for 500 years... although I'll be dead long before anyone knows if that's true :)
Thierry
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Thierry de Coulon tcoulon@decoulon.ch wrote:
No reson to be sorry. But I've seen to many USB keys die, they are cheap and unliable. M-Discs are said to be good for 500 years... although I'll be dead long before anyone knows if that's true :)
I bought a few DVD-RAM having read about their long term storage, which did not pan out at all.
Like for everything else there are various qualities in USB sticks. Perhaps I have been extremely lucky up to now... but never had any problem!
In times I had more trouble with DVD's and burners than with USB keys: . burn a DVD for someone and then it cannot be read on her PC or DVD player (heads alignment) . a scratch on the medium -> you are done :-(
I rolled once on an USB stick with my chair and it still works! I doubt a DVD had survived this attack. Not taking the price in account: this is a rewritable device - perhaps not forever but all depends on how long you want to keep your data... I recently read an interesting article about this: your data can safely be written for the eternity but... in ten years there will be no device to read it! As an example, try to find a brand new PC with a disquette reader...
Regards, midi-pascal
On 15-02-23 04:33 PM, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Monday 23 February 2015 21.54:54 midi-pascal wrote:
Sorry to intrude but...
Did you ever thought using USB keys? It costs (almost) nothing, it is fast and you can rewrite the medium as often as you want! Here in canada you can find a 64Gb USB stick in supermarkets under CAN 50.00$ I have made my backups on USB sticks (not even compressing the data) with rsync for years without any problem. I bought 4 64Gb sticks and rotate them. I had to restore some times and never had any problem.
Just wanted to add a view on an easy storage medium here...
midi-pascal
No reson to be sorry. But I've seen to many USB keys die, they are cheap and unliable. M-Discs are said to be good for 500 years... although I'll be dead long before anyone knows if that's true :)
Thierry
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On Monday 23 February 2015 11:22:02 am Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Monday 23 February 2015 18.10:52 Timothy Pearson wrote:
I'm not surprised at that; I boycotted Blu-Ray a long time ago due to it's primary use as a DRM enforcement technology* and therefore don't have any Blu-Ray equipment with which to enhance k3b.
Tim
I've ordered an external burner - I'm not interrested in Blu-Ray itself, but my Photo archive would require dozens of DVDs to secure (I remember creating a set of 25 floppies to install OS/2, but that was long time ago).
I understand Blu-Ray uses DRM to handle video, but does this mean it's also required to burn data? I want to burn Blu-Ray M-Discs (data only).
I'll switch to another OS if necessary (as it would only be for an archival process) but of course I'd rather do it with Linux (and Trinity if possible).
If I can provide any information once the hardware is there...
Thierry
No drm for data/personal use; is the drm on the movie discs or in the firmare ?
bluray comes in 25,50 & 100 gb discs. The 100 gb are $25+ per disc, the 25gb ~ $1.25. The cli tools for udf, bluray, burning are robust.
Some considerations I have discovered for archiving, archive the software, hardware, software are needed also.
USB keys have some compelling features, usb is ubiqutious, how long it will be an IO available on a pc is unknowable..there are quite a few deprecated IO interfaces for pc's.
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On Monday 23 February 2015 11:22:02 am Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Monday 23 February 2015 18.10:52 Timothy Pearson wrote:
I'm not surprised at that; I boycotted Blu-Ray a long time ago due to it's primary use as a DRM enforcement technology* and therefore don't have any Blu-Ray equipment with which to enhance k3b.
Tim
I've ordered an external burner - I'm not interrested in Blu-Ray itself, but my Photo archive would require dozens of DVDs to secure (I remember creating a set of 25 floppies to install OS/2, but that was long time ago).
I understand Blu-Ray uses DRM to handle video, but does this mean it's also required to burn data? I want to burn Blu-Ray M-Discs (data only).
I'll switch to another OS if necessary (as it would only be for an archival process) but of course I'd rather do it with Linux (and Trinity if possible).
If I can provide any information once the hardware is there...
Thierry
No drm for data/personal use; is the drm on the movie discs or in the firmare ?
Both actually. Commercial disks are encrypted with the keys distributed to the players in their firmware AFAIK--this makes it so that only select manufacturers can play and/or create commercial video disks.
For most uses there are better options than Blu-Ray disks; there is a small window in around the 100GB range that they might be useful but honestly it would be more reliable at similar cost to buy a used LTO tape system for that purpose. In general I wouldn't trust organic optical media; the lifetimes are much, much shorter than typically stated even when stored in a cool dry environment. Blu-Ray disks' primary use is for DRMed movie distribution; if it weren't for that they would have become obsolete long ago. :-)
Tim
On Monday 02 February 2015 05:18:39 pm dep wrote:
greetings, folks . . .
i don't know if this is a bug or if i'm doing something wrong here.
the plan was to burn my 20-gig mail directory to a blu-ray m-disc for archive purposes -- m-discs are supposed to last without degrading for 1000 years. in order to burn blu-ray, i understand that i need to use cdrecord, which is fine. so i got and installed it, but k3b-trinity says it can't find it. oddly, k3b from kde4x found it just fine, and it works.
i prefer k3b-trinity. but i have no idea what i can do to make it find cdrecord. additionally, i'd guess that because cdrecord overwrote whatever was there before, i can't use k3b-trinity for anything anymore.
is this a known issue?
I have cdrecord installed, k3b uses it. You may have to add the 'path' to cdrecord et al in k3b settings.
I do not know how to use k3b to burn blu-ray, it seems to only recognize cd, dvd, a blu-ray file says I have exceeded space on device.
I did compile cdrecord myself..but it is in the path..permissions?
On Tuesday 03 February 2015, Greg Madden wrote:
I have cdrecord installed, k3b uses it. You may have to add the 'path' to cdrecord et al in k3b settings.
I just realize for me cdrecord is a link to wodim. I wondered why there is an executable cdrecord in /usr/bin that is not found.
I did compile cdrecord myself..but it is in the path..permissions?
That explains it.
BTW: Not to flood the mailing list a screen kapture of only the windows (using ksnapshot) would have been sufficient ;-)
Gerhard
On Tuesday 03 February 2015 07:58:32 Greg Madden wrote:
I have cdrecord installed, k3b uses it. You may have to add the 'path' to cdrecord et al in k3b settings.
I do not know how to use k3b to burn blu-ray, it seems to only recognize cd, dvd, a blu-ray file says I have exceeded space on device.
I did compile cdrecord myself..but it is in the path..permissions?
I have cdrecord installed by default. My K3b is vanilla. I have no bluetooth device so I cannot check it for bluetooth.
Lisi
On Tuesday 03 February 2015 05:02:10 am Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Tuesday 03 February 2015 07:58:32 Greg Madden wrote:
I have cdrecord installed, k3b uses it. You may have to add the 'path' to cdrecord et al in k3b settings.
I do not know how to use k3b to burn blu-ray, it seems to only recognize cd, dvd, a blu-ray file says I have exceeded space on device.
I did compile cdrecord myself..but it is in the path..permissions?
I have cdrecord installed by default. My K3b is vanilla. I have no bluetooth device so I cannot check it for bluetooth.
Lisi
Is 'cdrecord' a link to something else..'wodim'? It has been quite a few years since it was included natively in..Debian at least.
cdrecord/cdrtools is property of Jörg Schilling, his tools have been copied & renamed for use in Linux by others.
I used cdrecord-ProDVD by Jorg back in the Corel Linux days to burn my first dvd..back when dvd writers were expensie. cdrecord was/is the defacto standard for scsi burners.
On Wednesday 04 February 2015, Greg Madden wrote:
Is 'cdrecord' a link to something else..'wodim'? It has been quite a few years since it was included natively in..Debian at least.
a few mail ago I stated that for me, it is a link:
$ ls -l /usr/bin/cdrecord lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 Sep 14 2013 /usr/bin/cdrecord -> wodim*
It's on Mint, should be the same in Debian therefore.
Gerhard
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