R14.1.2. I am not using kdbusnotification. The default notification daemon is xfce4.
In TDE the notification popups are tiny. They look fine when using Xfce4. Any ideas to resolve?
Thanks.
Anno domini 2025 Sat, 4 Jan 16:27:54 -0600 Darrell Anderson via tde-users scripsit:
R14.1.2. I am not using kdbusnotification. The default notification daemon is xfce4.
In TDE the notification popups are tiny. They look fine when using Xfce4. Any ideas to resolve?
Do you know which program creates the window for notification?
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On 1/4/25 5:01 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2025 Sat, 4 Jan 16:27:54 -0600 Darrell Anderson via tde-users scripsit:
R14.1.2. I am not using kdbusnotification. The default notification daemon is xfce4.
In TDE the notification popups are tiny. They look fine when using Xfce4. Any ideas to resolve?
Do you know which program creates the window for notification?
xfce4!
Anno domini 2025 Sat, 4 Jan 19:17:14 -0600 Darrell Anderson via tde-users scripsit:
On 1/4/25 5:01 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2025 Sat, 4 Jan 16:27:54 -0600 Darrell Anderson via tde-users scripsit:
R14.1.2. I am not using kdbusnotification. The default notification daemon is xfce4.
In TDE the notification popups are tiny. They look fine when using Xfce4. Any ideas to resolve?
Do you know which program creates the window for notification?
xfce4!
So the xfce4 notifications are tiny in TDE?
Nik
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On 1/5/25 2:38 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2025 Sat, 4 Jan 19:17:14 -0600 Darrell Anderson via tde-users scripsit:
On 1/4/25 5:01 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2025 Sat, 4 Jan 16:27:54 -0600 Darrell Anderson via tde-users scripsit:
R14.1.2. I am not using kdbusnotification. The default notification daemon is xfce4.
In TDE the notification popups are tiny. They look fine when using Xfce4. Any ideas to resolve?
Do you know which program creates the window for notification?
xfce4!
So the xfce4 notifications are tiny in TDE?
Yes, but look fine in Xfce4 and KDE. I haven't yet tried tinkering with qt5ct.
Anno domini 2025 Sun, 5 Jan 10:32:47 -0600 Darrell Anderson via tde-users scripsit:
On 1/5/25 10:06 AM, Darrell Anderson via tde-users wrote:
Yes, but look fine in Xfce4 and KDE. I haven't yet tried tinkering with qt5ct.
On second thought, qt5ct probably is irrelevant. This is on an older qt4 system.
Arch suggest using "qtconfig-qt4" - whatever that may be: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Uniform_look_for_Qt_and_GTK_applications
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On 1/5/25 10:37 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2025 Sun, 5 Jan 10:32:47 -0600 Darrell Anderson via tde-users scripsit:
On 1/5/25 10:06 AM, Darrell Anderson via tde-users wrote:
Yes, but look fine in Xfce4 and KDE. I haven't yet tried tinkering with qt5ct.
On second thought, qt5ct probably is irrelevant. This is on an older qt4 system.
Arch suggest using "qtconfig-qt4" - whatever that may be: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Uniform_look_for_Qt_and_GTK_applications
Yes, I saw that, but I think the problem is TDE/GTK. I don't have the (GTK2) gtk-qt-engine package installed because I always had problems with those engine packages. That said, I'll have to test the package.
On 1/5/25 10:48 AM, Darrell Anderson via tde-users wrote:
Yes, I saw that, but I think the problem is TDE/GTK. I don't have the (GTK2) gtk-qt-engine package installed because I always had problems with those engine packages. That said, I'll have to test the package.
Looks like installing that package makes no difference. Still scratching my head.
Seems to me the TDE notification popup is generic. For me, a grey box with black text. I haven't found any way to modify the look of the popup.
On 1/5/25 5:56 PM, Darrell Anderson via tde-users wrote:
On 1/5/25 10:48 AM, Darrell Anderson via tde-users wrote:
Yes, I saw that, but I think the problem is TDE/GTK. I don't have the (GTK2) gtk-qt-engine package installed because I always had problems with those engine packages. That said, I'll have to test the package.
Looks like installing that package makes no difference. Still scratching my head.
Seems to me the TDE notification popup is generic. For me, a grey box with black text. I haven't found any way to modify the look of the popup.
Oh,
Many many years ago, I set the generic popup tooltips to be on a light background with dark text to work with my dark kde3/tde theme. If I'm recalling correctly, the generic popups are actually controlled by .gtkrc-2.0 (and the two variants created by the gtk/kde engine tools: .gtkrc-2.0.mine and .gtk-2.0-kde) The setting related to the generic popups is, e.g.
style "user-font" { font_name="Tahoma 8" } widget_class "*" style "user-font"
style "gnome-color-chooser-tooltips" { bg[NORMAL] = "#FFFFDC" fg[NORMAL] = "#000000" } widget "gtk-tooltip*" style "gnome-color-chooser-tooltips"
And... years ago, I went though the gtk+2 config hierarchy and simply rewrote my .gtkrc-2.0 to contain what I wanted -- and haven't had to change it since. What I have now includes the .gtkrc-2.0.mine but it simply contains the same tooltips config. For what it is worth, this is what I've used for eons:
$ cat .gtkrc-2.0 # this file created by dcr
include "/usr/share/themes/LaGaDesk-BlueNight-II-GTK/gtk-2.0/gtkrc" include "/etc/gtk-2.0/gtkrc" include "/home/david/.gtkrc-2.0.mine"
style "user-font" { font_name="Tahoma 8" } widget_class "*" style "user-font"
style "gnome-color-chooser-tooltips" { bg[NORMAL] = "#FFFFDC" fg[NORMAL] = "#000000" } widget "gtk-tooltip*" style "gnome-color-chooser-tooltips"
gtk-theme-name="LaGaDesk-BlueNight-II-GTK" gtk-icon-theme-name="hicolor" gtk-font-name="Tahoma 8" gtk-toolbar-style=GTK_TOOLBAR_BOTH_HORIZ gtk-toolbar-icon-size=GTK_ICON_SIZE_LARGE_TOOLBAR gtk-button-images=1 gtk-menu-images=1 gtk-enable-event-sounds=1 gtk-enable-input-feedback-sounds=1 gtk-xft-antialias=1 gtk-xft-hinting=1 gtk-xft-hintstyle="hintfull" gtk-xft-rgba="rgb"
When you use the gtk-qt-engine, check for the config files in your home directory. Just open them all in kate and tweak to your liking. If I'm remembering incorrectly -- well senility must be setting in with old age :)
David C. Rankin via tde-users wrote:
When you use the gtk-qt-engine, check for the config files in your home directory. Just open them all in kate and tweak to your liking. If I'm remembering incorrectly -- well senility must be setting in with old age :)
Guys the native TDE knotify has nothing to do with GTK2,3 or whatever. The library is part of the tdelibs package and the module is part of kcontrol-trinity.
On 1/6/25 11:36 AM, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
When you use the gtk-qt-engine, check for the config files in your home directory. Just open them all in kate and tweak to your liking. If I'm remembering incorrectly -- well senility must be setting in with old age :)
Guys the native TDE knotify has nothing to do with GTK2,3 or whatever. The library is part of the tdelibs package and the module is part of kcontrol-trinity.
Within the context of the thread, yes GTK might play a role with the size of the popup because the underlying notification daemon is xfce.
For me one of the mysteries is knotify is not a bin file but libraries. On my systems I can't get knotify to always load consistently.
Darrell Anderson via tde-users wrote:
Within the context of the thread, yes GTK might play a role with the size of the popup because the underlying notification daemon is xfce.
True I understood what you were doing.
For me one of the mysteries is knotify is not a bin file but libraries. On my systems I can't get knotify to always load consistently.
it is library module that is part of the base system and is started by tdeinit as shown in the screenshot above
On 1/6/25 3:01 PM, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
For me one of the mysteries is knotify is not a bin file but libraries. On my systems I can't get knotify to always load consistently.
it is library module that is part of the base system and is started by tdeinit as shown in the screenshot above
Except I can't get the module to launch consistently. Sometimes I see the process and sometimes I don't.
On 1/6/25 3:01 PM, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
For me one of the mysteries is knotify is not a bin file but libraries. On my systems I can't get knotify to always load consistently.
it is library module that is part of the base system and is started by tdeinit as shown in the screenshot above
Looks like knotify is irrelevant to system notification popups. From the TDE admin guide:
"The primary task of knotify is to relay sound notifications to the sound server, it also provides alternative notification methods."
While irrelevant to my use case, doesn't explain why knotify sometimes launched immediately on login and other times not. I don't use any system login sounds.
At least now I hope I am less confused and can return to the original problems of system notification popup size and why popups stopped when using TDM.
Darrell Anderson via tde-users wrote:
"The primary task of knotify is to relay sound notifications to the sound server, it also provides alternative notification methods."
It can do sound or text popup AFAIK same as dbus notifications.
While irrelevant to my use case, doesn't explain why knotify sometimes launched immediately on login and other times not. I don't use any system login sounds.
How do you know this - ps output?
On 1/6/25 12:37 AM, David C. Rankin via tde-users wrote:
Many many years ago, I set the generic popup tooltips to be on a light background with dark text to work with my dark kde3/tde theme. If I'm recalling correctly, the generic popups are actually controlled by .gtkrc-2.0 (and the two variants created by the gtk/kde engine tools: .gtkrc-2.0.mine and .gtk-2.0-kde) The setting related to the generic popups is, e.g.
And... years ago, I went though the gtk+2 config hierarchy and simply rewrote my .gtkrc-2.0 to contain what I wanted -- and haven't had to change it since. What I have now includes the .gtkrc-2.0.mine but it simply contains the same tooltips config. For what it is worth, this is what I've used for eons:
When you use the gtk-qt-engine, check for the config files in your home directory. Just open them all in kate and tweak to your liking. If I'm remembering incorrectly -- well senility must be setting in with old age :)
Thanks David.
Seems sane that if the xfce4 notify daemon is being used that popup fonts are controlled by gtkrc files. I'll tinker with that. I too configured gtkrc files many years ago and haven't touched them since. But that was in the day of smaller monitors. The larger monitors are contributing to the popups looking so small. Doesn't explain though why the popups look fine in xfce but not TDE on a large monitor.
The gtk-qt-engine package isn't required for the system I am having notification popup issues. The core problem is I can't get knotify to load automatically. Sometimes knotify loads and sometimes not. A mystery and part of the root problem. I don't remember how notification popups are supposed to function in TDE when there is no active system notification daemon.
Since TDE has roots to KDE 3 and is a standalone DE, I am presuming popups are controlled within the environment. I don't know the dependencies to ensure TDE popups function. I don't remember after all these years but I am guessing the old KDE 3 was not designed to handle external notifications except through the old writed/walld tools.
On 1/6/25 12:34 PM, Darrell Anderson via tde-users wrote:
Thanks David.
Seems sane that if the xfce4 notify daemon is being used that popup fonts are controlled by gtkrc files. I'll tinker with that. I too configured gtkrc files many years ago and haven't touched them since. But that was in the day of smaller monitors. The larger monitors are contributing to the popups looking so small. Doesn't explain though why the popups look fine in xfce but not TDE on a large monitor.
The gtk-qt-engine package isn't required for the system I am having notification popup issues. The core problem is I can't get knotify to load automatically. Sometimes knotify loads and sometimes not. A mystery and part of the root problem. I don't remember how notification popups are supposed to function in TDE when there is no active system notification daemon.
Since TDE has roots to KDE 3 and is a standalone DE, I am presuming popups are controlled within the environment. I don't know the dependencies to ensure TDE popups function. I don't remember after all these years but I am guessing the old KDE 3 was not designed to handle external notifications except through the old writed/walld tools.
Ah,
I may have been thinking about different popups. I'm talking about the tooltips. Here is a small screenshot:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 10:06:19 -0600 Darrell Anderson via tde-users users@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
On 1/5/25 2:38 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2025 Sat, 4 Jan 19:17:14 -0600 Darrell Anderson via tde-users scripsit:
On 1/4/25 5:01 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2025 Sat, 4 Jan 16:27:54 -0600 Darrell Anderson via tde-users scripsit:
R14.1.2. I am not using kdbusnotification. The default notification daemon is xfce4.
In TDE the notification popups are tiny. They look fine when using Xfce4. Any ideas to resolve?
Do you know which program creates the window for notification?
xfce4!
So the xfce4 notifications are tiny in TDE?
Yes, but look fine in Xfce4 and KDE. I haven't yet tried tinkering with qt5ct.
Just FYI: xfce is GTK3-based (as of 4.20.0). Hopefully you won't have to dig into the can of worms that is manual GTK3 theming.
E. Liddell
Anno domini 2025 Sun, 5 Jan 12:03:26 -0500 E. Liddell via tde-users scripsit:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 10:06:19 -0600 Darrell Anderson via tde-users users@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
On 1/5/25 2:38 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2025 Sat, 4 Jan 19:17:14 -0600 Darrell Anderson via tde-users scripsit:
On 1/4/25 5:01 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2025 Sat, 4 Jan 16:27:54 -0600 Darrell Anderson via tde-users scripsit:
R14.1.2. I am not using kdbusnotification. The default notification daemon is xfce4.
In TDE the notification popups are tiny. They look fine when using Xfce4. Any ideas to resolve?
Do you know which program creates the window for notification?
xfce4!
So the xfce4 notifications are tiny in TDE?
Yes, but look fine in Xfce4 and KDE. I haven't yet tried tinkering with qt5ct.
Just FYI: xfce is GTK3-based (as of 4.20.0). Hopefully you won't have to dig into the can of worms that is manual GTK3 theming.
Oh, lxappearence could work in that case.
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