4 Jan
2025
4 Jan
'25
10:27 p.m.
R14.1.2. I am not using kdbusnotification. The default notification
daemon is xfce4.
In TDE the notification popups are tiny. They look fine when using
Xfce4. Any ideas to resolve?
Thanks.
4 Jan
4 Jan
11:01 p.m.
Anno domini 2025 Sat, 4 Jan 16:27:54 -0600
Darrell Anderson via tde-users scripsit:
R14.1.2. I am not using kdbusnotification. The default
notification
daemon is xfce4.
In TDE the notification popups are tiny. They look fine when using
Xfce4. Any ideas to resolve?
Do you know which program creates the window for notification?
Thanks.
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5 Jan
5 Jan
1:17 a.m.
On 1/4/25 5:01 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2025 Sat, 4 Jan 16:27:54 -0600
Darrell Anderson via tde-users scripsit:
xfce4!
R14.1.2. I am not using kdbusnotification. The
default notification
daemon is xfce4.
In TDE the notification popups are tiny. They look fine when using
Xfce4. Any ideas to resolve?
Do you know which program creates the window for notification?
8:38 a.m.
Anno domini 2025 Sat, 4 Jan 19:17:14 -0600
Darrell Anderson via tde-users scripsit:
On 1/4/25 5:01 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users
wrote:
So the xfce4 notifications are tiny in TDE?
Nik
Anno domini 2025 Sat, 4 Jan 16:27:54 -0600
Darrell Anderson via tde-users scripsit:
xfce4! R14.1.2. I am not using kdbusnotification. The
default notification
daemon is xfce4.
In TDE the notification popups are tiny. They look fine when using
Xfce4. Any ideas to resolve?
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4:06 p.m.
On 1/5/25 2:38 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2025 Sat, 4 Jan 19:17:14 -0600
Darrell Anderson via tde-users scripsit:
Yes, but look fine in Xfce4 and KDE. I haven't yet tried tinkering with
qt5ct.
On 1/4/25 5:01 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via
tde-users wrote:
So the xfce4 notifications are tiny in TDE? Anno domini 2025 Sat, 4 Jan 16:27:54 -0600
Darrell Anderson via tde-users scripsit:
xfce4! R14.1.2. I am not using kdbusnotification. The
default notification
daemon is xfce4.
In TDE the notification popups are tiny. They look fine when using
Xfce4. Any ideas to resolve?
Do you know which program creates the window for notification?
4:37 p.m.
Anno domini 2025 Sun, 5 Jan 10:32:47 -0600
Darrell Anderson via tde-users scripsit:
On 1/5/25 10:06 AM, Darrell Anderson via tde-users
wrote:
Arch suggest using "qtconfig-qt4" - whatever that may be:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Uniform_look_for_Qt_and_GTK_applications
Yes, but look fine in Xfce4 and KDE. I
haven't yet tried tinkering with
qt5ct.
On second thought, qt5ct probably is irrelevant. This is on an older qt4
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4:48 p.m.
On 1/5/25 10:37 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2025 Sun, 5 Jan 10:32:47 -0600
Darrell Anderson via tde-users scripsit:
Yes, I saw that, but I think the problem is TDE/GTK. I don't have the
(GTK2) gtk-qt-engine package installed because I always had problems
with those engine packages. That said, I'll have to test the package.
On 1/5/25 10:06 AM, Darrell Anderson via
tde-users wrote:
Arch suggest using "qtconfig-qt4" - whatever that may be:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Uniform_look_for_Qt_and_GTK_applications Yes, but look fine in Xfce4 and KDE. I
haven't yet tried tinkering with
qt5ct.
On second thought, qt5ct probably is irrelevant. This is on an older qt4
system.
11:56 p.m.
On 1/5/25 10:48 AM, Darrell Anderson via tde-users wrote:
Yes, I saw that, but I think the problem is TDE/GTK. I
don't have the
(GTK2) gtk-qt-engine package installed because I always had problems
with those engine packages. That said, I'll have to test the package.
Looks like installing that package makes no difference. Still scratching
my head.
Seems to me the TDE notification popup is generic. For me, a grey box
with black text. I haven't found any way to modify the look of the popup.
6 Jan
6 Jan
6:37 a.m.
On 1/5/25 5:56 PM, Darrell Anderson via tde-users wrote:
On 1/5/25 10:48 AM, Darrell Anderson via tde-users
wrote:
Oh,
Many many years ago, I set the generic popup tooltips to be on a light
background with dark text to work with my dark kde3/tde theme. If I'm
recalling correctly, the generic popups are actually controlled by .gtkrc-2.0
(and the two variants created by the gtk/kde engine tools: .gtkrc-2.0.mine and
.gtk-2.0-kde) The setting related to the generic popups is, e.g.
style "user-font"
{
font_name="Tahoma 8"
}
widget_class "*" style "user-font"
style "gnome-color-chooser-tooltips"
{
bg[NORMAL] = "#FFFFDC"
fg[NORMAL] = "#000000"
}
widget "gtk-tooltip*" style "gnome-color-chooser-tooltips"
And... years ago, I went though the gtk+2 config hierarchy and simply
rewrote my .gtkrc-2.0 to contain what I wanted -- and haven't had to change it
since. What I have now includes the .gtkrc-2.0.mine but it simply contains the
same tooltips config. For what it is worth, this is what I've used for eons:
$ cat .gtkrc-2.0
# this file created by dcr
include "/usr/share/themes/LaGaDesk-BlueNight-II-GTK/gtk-2.0/gtkrc"
include "/etc/gtk-2.0/gtkrc"
include "/home/david/.gtkrc-2.0.mine"
style "user-font"
{
font_name="Tahoma 8"
}
widget_class "*" style "user-font"
style "gnome-color-chooser-tooltips"
{
bg[NORMAL] = "#FFFFDC"
fg[NORMAL] = "#000000"
}
widget "gtk-tooltip*" style "gnome-color-chooser-tooltips"
gtk-theme-name="LaGaDesk-BlueNight-II-GTK"
gtk-icon-theme-name="hicolor"
gtk-font-name="Tahoma 8"
gtk-toolbar-style=GTK_TOOLBAR_BOTH_HORIZ
gtk-toolbar-icon-size=GTK_ICON_SIZE_LARGE_TOOLBAR
gtk-button-images=1
gtk-menu-images=1
gtk-enable-event-sounds=1
gtk-enable-input-feedback-sounds=1
gtk-xft-antialias=1
gtk-xft-hinting=1
gtk-xft-hintstyle="hintfull"
gtk-xft-rgba="rgb"
When you use the gtk-qt-engine, check for the config files in your home
directory. Just open them all in kate and tweak to your liking. If I'm
remembering incorrectly -- well senility must be setting in with old age :)
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Yes, I saw that, but I think the problem is
TDE/GTK. I don't have the (GTK2)
gtk-qt-engine package installed because I always had problems with those
engine packages. That said, I'll have to test the package.
Looks like installing that package makes no difference. Still scratching my head.
Seems to me the TDE notification popup is generic. For me, a grey box with
black text. I haven't found any way to modify the look of the popup.
5:36 p.m.
David C. Rankin via tde-users wrote:
When you use the gtk-qt-engine, check for the config
files in your home
directory. Just open them all in kate and tweak to your liking. If I'm
remembering incorrectly -- well senility must be setting in with old age
:)
Guys the native TDE knotify has nothing to do with GTK2,3 or whatever. The
library is part of the tdelibs package and the module is part of
kcontrol-trinity.
6:37 p.m.
On 1/6/25 11:36 AM, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Within the context of the thread, yes GTK might play a role with the
size of the popup because the underlying notification daemon is xfce.
For me one of the mysteries is knotify is not a bin file but libraries.
On my systems I can't get knotify to always load consistently.
When you use
the gtk-qt-engine, check for the config files in your home
directory. Just open them all in kate and tweak to your liking. If I'm
remembering incorrectly -- well senility must be setting in with old age
:)
Guys the native TDE knotify has nothing to do with GTK2,3 or whatever. The
library is part of the tdelibs package and the module is part of
kcontrol-trinity.
9:01 p.m.
Darrell Anderson via tde-users wrote:
Within the context of the thread, yes GTK might play a
role with the
size of the popup because the underlying notification daemon is xfce.
True I understood what you were doing.
For me one of the mysteries is knotify is not a bin
file but libraries.
On my systems I can't get knotify to always load consistently.
it is library module that is part of the base system and is started by
tdeinit as shown in the screenshot above
9:53 p.m.
On 1/6/25 3:01 PM, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Except I can't get the module to launch consistently. Sometimes I see
the process and sometimes I don't.
For me one of
the mysteries is knotify is not a bin file but libraries.
On my systems I can't get knotify to always load consistently.
it is library module that is part of the base system and is started by
tdeinit as shown in the screenshot above
10:21 p.m.
On 1/6/25 3:01 PM, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Looks like knotify is irrelevant to system notification popups. From the
TDE admin guide:
"The primary task of knotify is to relay sound notifications to the
sound server, it also provides alternative notification methods."
While irrelevant to my use case, doesn't explain why knotify sometimes
launched immediately on login and other times not. I don't use any
system login sounds.
At least now I hope I am less confused and can return to the original
problems of system notification popup size and why popups stopped when
using TDM.
For me one of
the mysteries is knotify is not a bin file but libraries.
On my systems I can't get knotify to always load consistently.
it is library module that is part of the base system and is started by
tdeinit as shown in the screenshot above
11:31 p.m.
Darrell Anderson via tde-users wrote:
"The primary task of knotify is to relay sound
notifications to the
sound server, it also provides alternative notification methods."
It can do sound or text popup AFAIK same as dbus notifications.
While irrelevant to my use case, doesn't explain
why knotify sometimes
launched immediately on login and other times not. I don't use any
system login sounds.
How do you know this - ps output?
6 Jan
6 Jan
6:34 p.m.
On 1/6/25 12:37 AM, David C. Rankin via tde-users wrote:
Many many years ago, I set the generic popup
tooltips to be on a light
background with dark text to work with my dark kde3/tde theme. If I'm
recalling correctly, the generic popups are actually controlled by
.gtkrc-2.0 (and the two variants created by the gtk/kde engine tools:
.gtkrc-2.0.mine and .gtk-2.0-kde) The setting related to the generic
popups is, e.g.
And... years ago, I went though the gtk+2 config hierarchy and simply
rewrote my .gtkrc-2.0 to contain what I wanted -- and haven't had to
change it since. What I have now includes the .gtkrc-2.0.mine but it
simply contains the same tooltips config. For what it is worth, this is
what I've used for eons:
When you use the gtk-qt-engine, check for the config files in your
home directory. Just open them all in kate and tweak to your liking. If
I'm remembering incorrectly -- well senility must be setting in with old
age :)
Thanks David.
Seems sane that if the xfce4 notify daemon is being used that popup
fonts are controlled by gtkrc files. I'll tinker with that. I too
configured gtkrc files many years ago and haven't touched them since.
But that was in the day of smaller monitors. The larger monitors are
contributing to the popups looking so small. Doesn't explain though why
the popups look fine in xfce but not TDE on a large monitor.
The gtk-qt-engine package isn't required for the system I am having
notification popup issues. The core problem is I can't get knotify to
load automatically. Sometimes knotify loads and sometimes not. A mystery
and part of the root problem. I don't remember how notification popups
are supposed to function in TDE when there is no active system
notification daemon.
Since TDE has roots to KDE 3 and is a standalone DE, I am presuming
popups are controlled within the environment. I don't know the
dependencies to ensure TDE popups function. I don't remember after all
these years but I am guessing the old KDE 3 was not designed to handle
external notifications except through the old writed/walld tools.
6:39 p.m.
On 1/6/25 12:34 PM, Darrell Anderson via tde-users wrote:
Thanks David.
Seems sane that if the xfce4 notify daemon is being used that popup fonts are
controlled by gtkrc files. I'll tinker with that. I too configured gtkrc files
many years ago and haven't touched them since. But that was in the day of
smaller monitors. The larger monitors are contributing to the popups looking
so small. Doesn't explain though why the popups look fine in xfce but not TDE
on a large monitor.
The gtk-qt-engine package isn't required for the system I am having
notification popup issues. The core problem is I can't get knotify to load
automatically. Sometimes knotify loads and sometimes not. A mystery and part
of the root problem. I don't remember how notification popups are supposed to
function in TDE when there is no active system notification daemon.
Since TDE has roots to KDE 3 and is a standalone DE, I am presuming popups are
controlled within the environment. I don't know the dependencies to ensure TDE
popups function. I don't remember after all these years but I am guessing the
old KDE 3 was not designed to handle external notifications except through the
old writed/walld tools.
Ah,
I may have been thinking about different popups. I'm talking about the
tooltips. Here is a small screenshot:
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5 Jan
5 Jan
5:03 p.m.
On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 10:06:19 -0600
Darrell Anderson via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
On 1/5/25 2:38 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users
wrote:
Just FYI: xfce is GTK3-based (as of 4.20.0). Hopefully you
won't have to dig into the can of worms that is manual GTK3
theming.
E. Liddell
Anno domini 2025 Sat, 4 Jan 19:17:14 -0600
Darrell Anderson via tde-users scripsit:
Yes, but look fine in Xfce4 and KDE. I haven't yet tried tinkering with
qt5ct. On 1/4/25 5:01 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via
tde-users wrote:
So the xfce4 notifications are tiny in TDE? Anno domini 2025 Sat, 4 Jan 16:27:54 -0600
Darrell Anderson via tde-users scripsit:
> R14.1.2. I am not using kdbusnotification. The default notification
> daemon is xfce4.
>
> In TDE the notification popups are tiny. They look fine when using
> Xfce4. Any ideas to resolve?
Do you know which program creates the window for notification?
xfce4!
5:09 p.m.
Anno domini 2025 Sun, 5 Jan 12:03:26 -0500
E. Liddell via tde-users scripsit:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 10:06:19 -0600
Darrell Anderson via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
Oh, lxappearence could work in that case.
On 1/5/25 2:38 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via
tde-users wrote:
Just FYI: xfce is GTK3-based (as of 4.20.0). Hopefully you
won't have to dig into the can of worms that is manual GTK3
theming. Anno domini 2025 Sat, 4 Jan 19:17:14 -0600
Darrell Anderson via tde-users scripsit:
Yes, but look fine in Xfce4 and KDE. I haven't yet tried tinkering with
qt5ct. On 1/4/25 5:01 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via
tde-users wrote:
> Anno domini 2025 Sat, 4 Jan 16:27:54 -0600
> Darrell Anderson via tde-users scripsit:
>> R14.1.2. I am not using kdbusnotification. The default notification
>> daemon is xfce4.
>>
>> In TDE the notification popups are tiny. They look fine when using
>> Xfce4. Any ideas to resolve?
>
> Do you know which program creates the window for notification?
xfce4!
So the xfce4 notifications are tiny in TDE?
E. Liddell
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