Greetings;
Twice in the last 2 weeks I have been forced to reboot the machine, as it had a locked up, unkillable session of kmail showing in htop. I had hit the list reply button, only to be greeted by the spinning dumbell mouse cursor, which would spin forever. The machine was NOT stuck in a loop someplace burning up cpu's, nothing, not even kmail was showing any great cpu activity, but the process itself was unkillable.
This time I was attempting to teach Bret Busby how to construct a sig separator, the \r-- \r sequence and it was one of his reply messages I was reading & tried to reply to when it locked up.
This reboot took around 30 minutes because /amandatapes-1T, a terabyte drive, had not been fsck'd in 181 days, and fscking a terabyte drive, even if no errors other than severe fragmentation (62%) exist is a 30 to 45 minute process. Amanda, the backup program, /thinks/ the drive is a 30 tape, changer equiped library. (except its 10,0000% more dependable that such a mechanical monster would be, and 2% of the cost) I'd hate to think how long it will take to do a 2 terabyte drive as there is now 4 of them here at the Heskett mini-ranchette. Its difficult to buy anything smaller.
I deleted the last 4 messages from him from ~/Mail/kubuntu-users/cur before I restarted kmail, knowing I'd be going thru the same hung machine procedure if I didn't. Last time I made 3 reboots trying, and finally just cleaned out the folder (a different one) before trying a 4th reboot & kmail restart. That, like this, complained about the index file being corrupted on the launch of kmail but normal operation was able to be resumed.
Has anyone a clue just what gmail is doing now? Or how to fix kmail so it tolerates a message posted from their (IMNSHO) busted webmail app?
This is R14.0.0.2 I believe. Last updated from Slavics? server a day back. Looks like I'll need to reboot again, I have a net caused ooops in the log, and my local network is dead although I can ping yahell.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Hi Gene!
Does this happen with all mails from gmail or just some?
Nik
Am Samstag, 14. November 2015 schrieb Gene Heskett:
Greetings;
Twice in the last 2 weeks I have been forced to reboot the machine, as it had a locked up, unkillable session of kmail showing in htop. I had hit the list reply button, only to be greeted by the spinning dumbell mouse cursor, which would spin forever. The machine was NOT stuck in a loop someplace burning up cpu's, nothing, not even kmail was showing any great cpu activity, but the process itself was unkillable.
This time I was attempting to teach Bret Busby how to construct a sig separator, the \r-- \r sequence and it was one of his reply messages I was reading & tried to reply to when it locked up.
This reboot took around 30 minutes because /amandatapes-1T, a terabyte drive, had not been fsck'd in 181 days, and fscking a terabyte drive, even if no errors other than severe fragmentation (62%) exist is a 30 to 45 minute process. Amanda, the backup program, /thinks/ the drive is a 30 tape, changer equiped library. (except its 10,0000% more dependable that such a mechanical monster would be, and 2% of the cost) I'd hate to think how long it will take to do a 2 terabyte drive as there is now 4 of them here at the Heskett mini-ranchette. Its difficult to buy anything smaller.
I deleted the last 4 messages from him from ~/Mail/kubuntu-users/cur before I restarted kmail, knowing I'd be going thru the same hung machine procedure if I didn't. Last time I made 3 reboots trying, and finally just cleaned out the folder (a different one) before trying a 4th reboot & kmail restart. That, like this, complained about the index file being corrupted on the launch of kmail but normal operation was able to be resumed.
Has anyone a clue just what gmail is doing now? Or how to fix kmail so it tolerates a message posted from their (IMNSHO) busted webmail app?
This is R14.0.0.2 I believe. Last updated from Slavics? server a day back. Looks like I'll need to reboot again, I have a net caused ooops in the log, and my local network is dead although I can ping yahell.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
On Saturday 14 November 2015 13:52:37 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hi Gene!
Does this happen with all mails from gmail or just some?
Nik
Just some. So far from people who haven't a clue how to configure a webmailer. Personally, I'd druther they was never invented. But now we have them, and not all are written by competent coders, gmail people are no exception. They are far more interested in getting the commercial attachment on your screen than in meeting any RFC's that might apply.
I like to help the newbee's just like you do Nik, where I do have some level of experience, but it bites me too.
Am Samstag, 14. November 2015 schrieb Gene Heskett:
Greetings;
Twice in the last 2 weeks I have been forced to reboot the machine, as it had a locked up, unkillable session of kmail showing in htop. I had hit the list reply button, only to be greeted by the spinning dumbell mouse cursor, which would spin forever. The machine was NOT stuck in a loop someplace burning up cpu's, nothing, not even kmail was showing any great cpu activity, but the process itself was unkillable.
This time I was attempting to teach Bret Busby how to construct a sig separator, the \r-- \r sequence and it was one of his reply messages I was reading & tried to reply to when it locked up.
This reboot took around 30 minutes because /amandatapes-1T, a terabyte drive, had not been fsck'd in 181 days, and fscking a terabyte drive, even if no errors other than severe fragmentation (62%) exist is a 30 to 45 minute process. Amanda, the backup program, /thinks/ the drive is a 30 tape, changer equiped library. (except its 10,0000% more dependable that such a mechanical monster would be, and 2% of the cost) I'd hate to think how long it will take to do a 2 terabyte drive as there is now 4 of them here at the Heskett mini-ranchette. Its difficult to buy anything smaller.
I deleted the last 4 messages from him from ~/Mail/kubuntu-users/cur before I restarted kmail, knowing I'd be going thru the same hung machine procedure if I didn't. Last time I made 3 reboots trying, and finally just cleaned out the folder (a different one) before trying a 4th reboot & kmail restart. That, like this, complained about the index file being corrupted on the launch of kmail but normal operation was able to be resumed.
Has anyone a clue just what gmail is doing now? Or how to fix kmail so it tolerates a message posted from their (IMNSHO) busted webmail app?
This is R14.0.0.2 I believe. Last updated from Slavics? server a day back. Looks like I'll need to reboot again, I have a net caused ooops in the log, and my local network is dead although I can ping yahell.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Am Samstag, 14. November 2015 schrieb Gene Heskett:
On Saturday 14 November 2015 13:52:37 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hi Gene!
Does this happen with all mails from gmail or just some?
Nik
Just some. So far from people who haven't a clue how to configure a webmailer. Personally, I'd druther they was never invented. But now we have them, and not all are written by competent coders, gmail people are no exception. They are far more interested in getting the commercial attachment on your screen than in meeting any RFC's that might apply.
I like to help the newbee's just like you do Nik, where I do have some level of experience, but it bites me too.
Hi Gene!
Next time you have a futile encounter, please compress that cockroach and post it here for further analysis.
Nik
On Saturday 14 November 2015 17:50:46 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
[...]
Hi Gene!
Next time you have a futile encounter, please compress that cockroach and post it here for further analysis.
Nik
I'd love to Nik, but when I went back to the screen kmail _was_ running on, it was blanked out. And I have no clue how to go about ascertaining which message was the killer, so once I was running again, I grep'ed that directory and nuked the last 4 messages from that person before I re-ran kmail again. Then it ran normally, otherwise it would have segfaulted & refused to run.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 10:14:10 -0500 Gene Heskett gheskett@shentel.net wrote:
Greetings;
Twice in the last 2 weeks I have been forced to reboot the machine, as it had a locked up, unkillable session of kmail showing in htop. I had hit the list reply button, only to be greeted by the spinning dumbell mouse cursor, which would spin forever. The machine was NOT stuck in a loop someplace burning up cpu's, nothing, not even kmail was showing any great cpu activity, but the process itself was unkillable.
This time I was attempting to teach Bret Busby how to construct a sig separator, the \r-- \r sequence and it was one of his reply messages I was reading & tried to reply to when it locked up.
This reboot took around 30 minutes because /amandatapes-1T, a terabyte drive, had not been fsck'd in 181 days, and fscking a terabyte drive, even if no errors other than severe fragmentation (62%) exist is a 30 to 45 minute process. Amanda, the backup program, /thinks/ the drive is a 30 tape, changer equiped library. (except its 10,0000% more dependable that such a mechanical monster would be, and 2% of the cost) I'd hate to think how long it will take to do a 2 terabyte drive as there is now 4 of them here at the Heskett mini-ranchette. Its difficult to buy anything smaller.
I deleted the last 4 messages from him from ~/Mail/kubuntu-users/cur before I restarted kmail, knowing I'd be going thru the same hung machine procedure if I didn't. Last time I made 3 reboots trying, and finally just cleaned out the folder (a different one) before trying a 4th reboot & kmail restart. That, like this, complained about the index file being corrupted on the launch of kmail but normal operation was able to be resumed.
Has anyone a clue just what gmail is doing now? Or how to fix kmail so it tolerates a message posted from their (IMNSHO) busted webmail app?
This is R14.0.0.2 I believe. Last updated from Slavics? server a day back. Looks like I'll need to reboot again, I have a net caused ooops in the log, and my local network is dead although I can ping yahell.
Thats weird. Generally speaking the process cannot become unkillable due to error in a program itself, thats only happens if it stuck in the system call. So i suspect problems with disk/fs or maybe a faulty network card driver.
On Saturday 14 November 2015, Nick Koretsky wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 10:14:10 -0500
Gene Heskett gheskett@shentel.net wrote:
Greetings;
Twice in the last 2 weeks I have been forced to reboot the machine, as it had a locked up, unkillable session of kmail showing in htop. I had hit the list reply button, only to be greeted by the spinning dumbell mouse cursor, which would spin forever. The machine was NOT stuck in a loop someplace burning up cpu's, nothing, not even kmail was showing any great cpu activity, but the process itself was unkillable.
This time I was attempting to teach Bret Busby how to construct a sig separator, the \r-- \r sequence and it was one of his reply messages I was reading & tried to reply to when it locked up.
This reboot took around 30 minutes because /amandatapes-1T, a terabyte drive, had not been fsck'd in 181 days, and fscking a terabyte drive, even if no errors other than severe fragmentation (62%) exist is a 30 to 45 minute process. Amanda, the backup program, /thinks/ the drive is a 30 tape, changer equiped library. (except its 10,0000% more dependable that such a mechanical monster would be, and 2% of the cost) I'd hate to think how long it will take to do a 2 terabyte drive as there is now 4 of them here at the Heskett mini-ranchette. Its difficult to buy anything smaller.
I deleted the last 4 messages from him from ~/Mail/kubuntu-users/cur before I restarted kmail, knowing I'd be going thru the same hung machine procedure if I didn't. Last time I made 3 reboots trying, and finally just cleaned out the folder (a different one) before trying a 4th reboot & kmail restart. That, like this, complained about the index file being corrupted on the launch of kmail but normal operation was able to be resumed.
Has anyone a clue just what gmail is doing now? Or how to fix kmail so it tolerates a message posted from their (IMNSHO) busted webmail app?
This is R14.0.0.2 I believe. Last updated from Slavics? server a day back. Looks like I'll need to reboot again, I have a net caused ooops in the log, and my local network is dead although I can ping yahell.
Thats weird. Generally speaking the process cannot become unkillable due to error in a program itself, thats only happens if it stuck in the system call. So i suspect problems with disk/fs or maybe a faulty network card driver.
That makes sense. I'd do an HD check with the maker's tool CD. Make sure to run a SMART check as, silent HD hang ups are often electronic rather than mechanical.
If it's a desktop, swap out the nic.
Good luck
Kate
On Saturday 14 November 2015 17:01:47 Kate Draven wrote:
On Saturday 14 November 2015, Nick Koretsky wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 10:14:10 -0500
Gene Heskett gheskett@shentel.net wrote:
Greetings;
Twice in the last 2 weeks I have been forced to reboot the machine, as it had a locked up, unkillable session of kmail showing in htop. I had hit the list reply button, only to be greeted by the spinning dumbell mouse cursor, which would spin forever. The machine was NOT stuck in a loop someplace burning up cpu's, nothing, not even kmail was showing any great cpu activity, but the process itself was unkillable.
This time I was attempting to teach Bret Busby how to construct a sig separator, the \r-- \r sequence and it was one of his reply messages I was reading & tried to reply to when it locked up.
This reboot took around 30 minutes because /amandatapes-1T, a terabyte drive, had not been fsck'd in 181 days, and fscking a terabyte drive, even if no errors other than severe fragmentation (62%) exist is a 30 to 45 minute process. Amanda, the backup program, /thinks/ the drive is a 30 tape, changer equiped library. (except its 10,0000% more dependable that such a mechanical monster would be, and 2% of the cost) I'd hate to think how long it will take to do a 2 terabyte drive as there is now 4 of them here at the Heskett mini-ranchette. Its difficult to buy anything smaller.
I deleted the last 4 messages from him from ~/Mail/kubuntu-users/cur before I restarted kmail, knowing I'd be going thru the same hung machine procedure if I didn't. Last time I made 3 reboots trying, and finally just cleaned out the folder (a different one) before trying a 4th reboot & kmail restart. That, like this, complained about the index file being corrupted on the launch of kmail but normal operation was able to be resumed.
Has anyone a clue just what gmail is doing now? Or how to fix kmail so it tolerates a message posted from their (IMNSHO) busted webmail app?
This is R14.0.0.2 I believe. Last updated from Slavics? server a day back. Looks like I'll need to reboot again, I have a net caused ooops in the log, and my local network is dead although I can ping yahell.
Thats weird. Generally speaking the process cannot become unkillable due to error in a program itself, thats only happens if it stuck in the system call. So i suspect problems with disk/fs or maybe a faulty network card driver.
That makes sense. I'd do an HD check with the maker's tool CD. Make sure to run a SMART check as, silent HD hang ups are often electronic rather than mechanical.
If it's a desktop, swap out the nic.
Nic is on the mobo, and works fine. Smartctl is running and has no complaints.
The local network problem turned out to be one of my cnc machines, crashed & wouldn't even post, until I played with rocking the Dimms around. Been fine since. I spent the afternoon carving Mahogany with it.
Good luck
Kate
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Cheers, Gene Heskett
On Saturday 14 November 2015, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Saturday 14 November 2015 17:01:47 Kate Draven wrote:
On Saturday 14 November 2015, Nick Koretsky wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 10:14:10 -0500
Gene Heskett gheskett@shentel.net wrote:
Greetings;
Twice in the last 2 weeks I have been forced to reboot the machine, as it had a locked up, unkillable session of kmail showing in htop. I had hit the list reply button, only to be greeted by the spinning dumbell mouse cursor, which would spin forever. The machine was NOT stuck in a loop someplace burning up cpu's, nothing, not even kmail was showing any great cpu activity, but the process itself was unkillable.
This time I was attempting to teach Bret Busby how to construct a sig separator, the \r-- \r sequence and it was one of his reply messages I was reading & tried to reply to when it locked up.
This reboot took around 30 minutes because /amandatapes-1T, a terabyte drive, had not been fsck'd in 181 days, and fscking a terabyte drive, even if no errors other than severe fragmentation (62%) exist is a 30 to 45 minute process. Amanda, the backup program, /thinks/ the drive is a 30 tape, changer equiped library. (except its 10,0000% more dependable that such a mechanical monster would be, and 2% of the cost) I'd hate to think how long it will take to do a 2 terabyte drive as there is now 4 of them here at the Heskett mini-ranchette. Its difficult to buy anything smaller.
I deleted the last 4 messages from him from ~/Mail/kubuntu-users/cur before I restarted kmail, knowing I'd be going thru the same hung machine procedure if I didn't. Last time I made 3 reboots trying, and finally just cleaned out the folder (a different one) before trying a 4th reboot & kmail restart. That, like this, complained about the index file being corrupted on the launch of kmail but normal operation was able to be resumed.
Has anyone a clue just what gmail is doing now? Or how to fix kmail so it tolerates a message posted from their (IMNSHO) busted webmail app?
This is R14.0.0.2 I believe. Last updated from Slavics? server a day back. Looks like I'll need to reboot again, I have a net caused ooops in the log, and my local network is dead although I can ping yahell.
Thats weird. Generally speaking the process cannot become unkillable due to error in a program itself, thats only happens if it stuck in the system call. So i suspect problems with disk/fs or maybe a faulty network card driver.
That makes sense. I'd do an HD check with the maker's tool CD. Make sure to run a SMART check as, silent HD hang ups are often electronic rather than mechanical.
If it's a desktop, swap out the nic.
Nic is on the mobo, and works fine. Smartctl is running and has no complaints.
The local network problem turned out to be one of my cnc machines, crashed & wouldn't even post, until I played with rocking the Dimms around. Been fine since. I spent the afternoon carving Mahogany with it.
Carving with what a dimm chip?
Kate
On Saturday 14 November 2015 17:50:10 Kate Draven wrote:
On Saturday 14 November 2015, Gene Heskett wrote:
[...]
The local network problem turned out to be one of my cnc machines, crashed & wouldn't even post, until I played with rocking the Dimms around. Been fine since. I spent the afternoon carving Mahogany with it.
Carving with what a dimm chip?
Not hardly, a Grizzly G0704 milling machine I've converted to be run by linuxcnc. All the driving screws have been replaced by much more efficient and accurate ball screws, with big stepper motors to turn them. Solid carbide cutting tools, driven by g-code I write.
I don't know if the server passes images, but I'm making 3 more copies of the blanket chest picture attached, one for each of my surviving children, now down to 4 boys. Solid Mahogany with Gabon Ebony trim bits, and an aromatic eastern red cedar lining. Those "Green & Green" joints were all carved by an even smaller machine I built several years ago, but that used every millimeter of travel the smaller machine had. This machine is 3x heavier, with about a 3x larger working envelope. I've been since the last of May this year getting it and the driver electronics built.
Kate
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Cheers, Gene Heskett
On Saturday 14 November 2015, Gene Heskett wrote:
Greetings;
Twice in the last 2 weeks I have been forced to reboot the machine, as it had a locked up, unkillable session of kmail showing in htop. I had hit the list reply button, only to be greeted by the spinning dumbell mouse cursor, which would spin forever. The machine was NOT stuck in a loop someplace burning up cpu's, nothing, not even kmail was showing any great cpu activity, but the process itself was unkillable.
This time I was attempting to teach Bret Busby how to construct a sig separator, the \r-- \r sequence and it was one of his reply messages I was reading & tried to reply to when it locked up.
This reboot took around 30 minutes because /amandatapes-1T, a terabyte drive, had not been fsck'd in 181 days, and fscking a terabyte drive, even if no errors other than severe fragmentation (62%) exist is a 30 to 45 minute process. Amanda, the backup program, /thinks/ the drive is a 30 tape, changer equiped library. (except its 10,0000% more dependable that such a mechanical monster would be, and 2% of the cost) I'd hate to think how long it will take to do a 2 terabyte drive as there is now 4 of them here at the Heskett mini-ranchette. Its difficult to buy anything smaller.
I deleted the last 4 messages from him from ~/Mail/kubuntu-users/cur before I restarted kmail, knowing I'd be going thru the same hung machine procedure if I didn't. Last time I made 3 reboots trying, and finally just cleaned out the folder (a different one) before trying a 4th reboot & kmail restart. That, like this, complained about the index file being corrupted on the launch of kmail but normal operation was able to be resumed.
Has anyone a clue just what gmail is doing now? Or how to fix kmail so it tolerates a message posted from their (IMNSHO) busted webmail app?
This is R14.0.0.2 I believe. Last updated from Slavics? server a day back. Looks like I'll need to reboot again, I have a net caused ooops in the log, and my local network is dead although I can ping yahell.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Gmail has had some hiccups of late. As Google is trying to implement more DRM & spyware into their products and services. Gmail recently went down for a few hours according to a contact.
Try activating the pop along with imap. I use that combo and all is well. When I use the imap alone, bad things happen "Bad things Mickey!"
Cheers to all,
Kate
On Saturday 14 November 2015 16:49:22 Kate Draven wrote:
On Saturday 14 November 2015, Gene Heskett wrote:
Greetings;
Twice in the last 2 weeks I have been forced to reboot the machine, as it had a locked up, unkillable session of kmail showing in htop. I had hit the list reply button, only to be greeted by the spinning dumbell mouse cursor, which would spin forever. The machine was NOT stuck in a loop someplace burning up cpu's, nothing, not even kmail was showing any great cpu activity, but the process itself was unkillable.
This time I was attempting to teach Bret Busby how to construct a sig separator, the \r-- \r sequence and it was one of his reply messages I was reading & tried to reply to when it locked up.
This reboot took around 30 minutes because /amandatapes-1T, a terabyte drive, had not been fsck'd in 181 days, and fscking a terabyte drive, even if no errors other than severe fragmentation (62%) exist is a 30 to 45 minute process. Amanda, the backup program, /thinks/ the drive is a 30 tape, changer equiped library. (except its 10,0000% more dependable that such a mechanical monster would be, and 2% of the cost) I'd hate to think how long it will take to do a 2 terabyte drive as there is now 4 of them here at the Heskett mini-ranchette. Its difficult to buy anything smaller.
I deleted the last 4 messages from him from ~/Mail/kubuntu-users/cur before I restarted kmail, knowing I'd be going thru the same hung machine procedure if I didn't. Last time I made 3 reboots trying, and finally just cleaned out the folder (a different one) before trying a 4th reboot & kmail restart. That, like this, complained about the index file being corrupted on the launch of kmail but normal operation was able to be resumed.
Has anyone a clue just what gmail is doing now? Or how to fix kmail so it tolerates a message posted from their (IMNSHO) busted webmail app?
This is R14.0.0.2 I believe. Last updated from Slavics? server a day back. Looks like I'll need to reboot again, I have a net caused ooops in the log, and my local network is dead although I can ping yahell.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Gmail has had some hiccups of late. As Google is trying to implement more DRM & spyware into their products and services. Gmail recently went down for a few hours according to a contact.
Try activating the pop along with imap. I use that combo and all is well. When I use the imap alone, bad things happen "Bad things Mickey!"
Cheers to all,
All I do is pop it with fetchmail. With the exception of nuking known bad stuff ahead of fetchmail with mailfilter, all processing is done here on this machine.
Kate
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