On Wednesday 03 October 2018 10:41:10 Felmon Davis wrote:
On Wed, 3 Oct 2018, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Dienstag, 2. Oktober 2018 schrieb deloptes:
Marvin Jones wrote:
All of this "stuff" is Religion.
Religion, Ideology, Philosophy
All good reasons to fetch forks and torches, pile up the bonfires and hunt for ... oh, it's oktober ...
however I'd warn against belittling ethical concerns as "religion, ideology, philosophy" in the pejorative sense of the words (even when we disagree).
f.
Since we are going far off-topic, I would remind everybody that all this
talk
of "religion, ideology, philosophy" (pejorative or not) started with the notion that our choice of software and/or operating system is somehow a "political action" or a rebellion. (Choice of software meaning, e.g., proprietary versus so-called "open source", or better, free/libre.)
I pointed out that some would try to frame all our words and actions (or
lack
of them) in political terms, as I used to be confronted by Marxists who used that argument. In the same way, our choice of food (kosher/halal, or not)
may
be regarded by some as a religious choice. And so on.
All these are types of fundamentalist thinking (about which you and I have
had
discussions already). I see no harm in the universal awakening to a kind of "everything is love" experience, the desire to help others, to identify one's own being with every atom in the Universe, to get a sense that everything is Divine. This is a sort of "diversity is unity" paradox. The problem creeps in when, for example, those of a literalist bent would try to force everybody everywhere into their narrow interpretation of [*fill in the blank here*]. And this is why "religion, ideology, philosophy" come to be regarded as negative, or mostly negative.
So the question is, How to achieve the greatest degree of freedom, happiness and fulfillment for the most people, while yet not infringing on that of others, or offending against their way of life? The short answer is, It
can't
be done; not really. We can only try to broaden our experiences and understanding, act with good will and generosity towards others, and hope
and
trust for the same in return.
Regarding how this principle applies to software: Run GNU/Linux, with the
TDE
desktop. Problem solved.
For myself, by the way, I am glad that I cannot swim. That way, I will drown and fail the test, and spare myself getting burned at the stake.
Bill
As a born and raised Irish witch, I can say this. We believe in simple things.
"My freedoms end, when such freedoms infringe upon another" "Live and Let Live" "To each their own" "Never assume to understand another, instead ask them to teach about themselves." "Never redefine another person's words."
There's more but I think I got what counts for this.
I choose gnu linux and kde because they worked. Everything else came after. No politics no religion, no nothing. I needed a tool that would actually work and as it turns out, was within me price range.. free.
I don't know how this was started. I will blame William of Morder, as I always do, just easiest thing to do. In any case, that's all I have to say. Hope I haven't offended anyone.
Kate The Great and Terrible.
On Wednesday 03 October 2018 16:12:30 Kate Draven wrote:
On Wednesday 03 October 2018 10:41:10 Felmon Davis wrote:
On Wed, 3 Oct 2018, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Dienstag, 2. Oktober 2018 schrieb deloptes:
Marvin Jones wrote:
All of this "stuff" is Religion.
Religion, Ideology, Philosophy
All good reasons to fetch forks and torches, pile up the bonfires and hunt for ... oh, it's oktober ...
however I'd warn against belittling ethical concerns as "religion, ideology, philosophy" in the pejorative sense of the words (even when we disagree).
f.
Since we are going far off-topic, I would remind everybody that all this
talk
of "religion, ideology, philosophy" (pejorative or not) started with the notion that our choice of software and/or operating system is somehow a "political action" or a rebellion. (Choice of software meaning, e.g., proprietary versus so-called "open source", or better, free/libre.)
I pointed out that some would try to frame all our words and actions (or
lack
of them) in political terms, as I used to be confronted by Marxists who used that argument. In the same way, our choice of food (kosher/halal, or not)
may
be regarded by some as a religious choice. And so on.
All these are types of fundamentalist thinking (about which you and I have
had
discussions already). I see no harm in the universal awakening to a kind of "everything is love" experience, the desire to help others, to identify one's own being with every atom in the Universe, to get a sense that everything is Divine. This is a sort of "diversity is unity" paradox. The problem creeps in when, for example, those of a literalist bent would try to force everybody everywhere into their narrow interpretation of [*fill in the blank here*]. And this is why "religion, ideology, philosophy" come to be regarded as negative, or mostly negative.
So the question is, How to achieve the greatest degree of freedom, happiness and fulfillment for the most people, while yet not infringing on that of others, or offending against their way of life? The short answer is, It
can't
be done; not really. We can only try to broaden our experiences and understanding, act with good will and generosity towards others, and hope
and
trust for the same in return.
Regarding how this principle applies to software: Run GNU/Linux, with the
TDE
desktop. Problem solved.
For myself, by the way, I am glad that I cannot swim. That way, I will drown and fail the test, and spare myself getting burned at the stake.
Bill
As a born and raised Irish witch, I can say this. We believe in simple things.
"My freedoms end, when such freedoms infringe upon another" "Live and Let Live" "To each their own" "Never assume to understand another, instead ask them to teach about themselves." "Never redefine another person's words."
There's more but I think I got what counts for this.
I choose gnu linux and kde because they worked. Everything else came after. No politics no religion, no nothing. I needed a tool that would actually work and as it turns out, was within me price range.. free.
I don't know how this was started. I will blame William of Morder, as I always do, just easiest thing to do. In any case, that's all I have to say. Hope I haven't offended anyone.
Kate The Great and Terrible.
Glad to be useful for something.
Bill
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