I have received word from on high that I, too, was doing it wrong. My apologies for the 293 comments (and probably more, still counting) generated by my mistake. It seems that when we hit reply, then change the header, we are causing confusion in the mailing list. And for those who use threaded messages, it causes multiple threads, or something like that.
It seems that there might have been a chain of these events, as I noticed email addresses for both Gene and Nik in the headers. But anyway, I didn't mean to spam the list; weird technical glitches on this side, sent emails were getting rejected for "unknown transport" (which turns out to be, my identity, or one of them). I've been doing it the same for a few years, since I've had this email address. Why now?
When I "corrected" my "transport" to my real name, everything worked, but suddenly all those rejected emails sitting in my outbox also got sent, too. My intention was not to make a mess of things, but there it is.
I make the mistakes, so you don't have to; I create confusion, so you can see the results of not following good protocol.
So the short version is: only hit reply if you intend to keep the topic within the thread.
If we go off-topic, then we ought to create a brand-new email, not just hit replay; otherwise, we drag email addresses and related threads upon threads in, and we end up with 293 comments (I hear, but haven't seen them myself).
Again, apologies to everybody! And I hope that I've set up this one correctly.
Bill
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On Sun, 6 Sep 2020, William Morder via tde-users wrote:
If we go off-topic, then we ought to create a brand-new email, not just
s/If/When/
hit replay; otherwise, we drag email addresses and related threads upon threads in, and we end up with 293 comments (I hear, but haven't seen them myself).
That!
Jonesy
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On Sun, Sep 06, 2020 at 02:46:58PM -0700, William Morder via tde-users wrote:
So the short version is: only hit reply if you intend to keep the topic within the thread.
If we go off-topic, then we ought to create a brand-new email, not just hit replay; otherwise, we drag email addresses and related threads upon threads in, and we end up with 293 comments (I hear, but haven't seen them myself).
How is that possible? If you change the subject line of an email, how does that cause rejected emails to suddenly be re-sent (as you say happened to you).
Where are these 293 comments being dragged in from?
It is not practical to demand that subject lines never be changed. Different mailers have different conventions for whether they use "Re" or something else when replying, and sometimes due to topic drift the right thing to do is to change the subject line. For example, adding "SOLVED" to a problem once it is solved.
We should start a new thread for entirely unrelated and new topics, but we should rename a sub-thread once it has drifted away from the original topic. For example:
TDE is awesome +-- Re: TDE is awesome +-- Re: TDE is awesome | +-- Re: TDE is awesome | | +-- Now with even more awesomeness [was TDE is awesome] | | +-- Re: Now with even more awesomeness | +-- Re: TDE is awesome +-- Re: TDE is awesome
On Tuesday 08 of September 2020 00:45:27 Steven D'Aprano via tde-users wrote:
On Sun, Sep 06, 2020 at 02:46:58PM -0700, William Morder via tde-users
wrote:
So the short version is: only hit reply if you intend to keep the topic within the thread.
If we go off-topic, then we ought to create a brand-new email, not just hit replay; otherwise, we drag email addresses and related threads upon threads in, and we end up with 293 comments (I hear, but haven't seen them myself).
How is that possible? If you change the subject line of an email, how does that cause rejected emails to suddenly be re-sent (as you say happened to you).
Where are these 293 comments being dragged in from?
It is not practical to demand that subject lines never be changed. Different mailers have different conventions for whether they use "Re" or something else when replying, and sometimes due to topic drift the right thing to do is to change the subject line. For example, adding "SOLVED" to a problem once it is solved.
We should start a new thread for entirely unrelated and new topics, but we should rename a sub-thread once it has drifted away from the original topic. For example:
TDE is awesome +-- Re: TDE is awesome +-- Re: TDE is awesome | +-- Re: TDE is awesome | | | +-- Now with even more awesomeness [was TDE is awesome] | | +-- Re: Now with even more awesomeness | | +-- Re: TDE is awesome +-- Re: TDE is awesome
Hi,
I need to clarify the information a bit.
The 293 comments are not something Bill has caused in bulk recently, but the total number of comments in a single thread that began in February 2018 and was confused by the fact that several other threads were started inside that thread that were completely unrelated to the original. This is because instead of sending a completely new message, the "initial" message of the new thread was created in response to an old message from an unrelated thread.
You can see the mentioned thread here:
https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydeskto...
Note that inside the thread "I just resubscribed,..." you can find other threads like:
+ tips on getting TDE to run smoothly + how to enable mouse keys by default or command-line? + quick & dirty - installation & backup + my vanishing root partition + my rebellious lower panel + can burn DVDs but not CDs + a perfectly good system shot to hell + network problems in Devuan Jessie-Beowulf merged + LTS has less security + system colors & permission problems + Brother printer - comments? + aptoncd rejects tde-trinity pkgs + pulseaudio conflicts with my TDE + antiX - debian-based distro - no systemd + how to restore/reconfigure lost wireless connection? + how to re-index Kmail + wireless interface not recognized on boot + chat clients - cannot connect + Devuan netinstall with TDE as option?
+ ...and some more until recently ...
+ ksystraycmd & panel hiding + network-manager-tde - dependency issues + how to get tdenetworkmanager - with no wicd ?
I assume that from this example it is clear what is the subject of the said mess. Of course, adding a "SOLVED" or extending a subject is not a problem as long as it's still the same related thread.
This problem was not visible on the old mailing list archive, because the threads were not followed thoroughly and, above all, they were not followed beyond the edges of the months.
The new archive can track threads in detail. Therefore, a thread emerged here, which began in 2018 and was confused in this way.
Therefore, it is a good idea to follow a simple rule that a new thread must start as a new message, not in response to some unrelated message in which the subject and content will be replaced.
Cheers
On Monday 07 September 2020 17:05:37 Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote:
On Tuesday 08 of September 2020 00:45:27 Steven D'Aprano via tde-users
wrote:
On Sun, Sep 06, 2020 at 02:46:58PM -0700, William Morder via tde-users
wrote:
So the short version is: only hit reply if you intend to keep the topic within the thread.
If we go off-topic, then we ought to create a brand-new email, not just hit replay; otherwise, we drag email addresses and related threads upon threads in, and we end up with 293 comments (I hear, but haven't seen them myself).
How is that possible? If you change the subject line of an email, how does that cause rejected emails to suddenly be re-sent (as you say happened to you).
Where are these 293 comments being dragged in from?
It is not practical to demand that subject lines never be changed. Different mailers have different conventions for whether they use "Re" or something else when replying, and sometimes due to topic drift the right thing to do is to change the subject line. For example, adding "SOLVED" to a problem once it is solved.
We should start a new thread for entirely unrelated and new topics, but we should rename a sub-thread once it has drifted away from the original topic. For example:
TDE is awesome +-- Re: TDE is awesome +-- Re: TDE is awesome | +-- Re: TDE is awesome | | | +-- Now with even more awesomeness [was TDE is awesome] | | +-- Re: Now with even more awesomeness | | +-- Re: TDE is awesome +-- Re: TDE is awesomeHi,
I need to clarify the information a bit.
The 293 comments are not something Bill has caused in bulk recently, but the total number of comments in a single thread that began in February 2018 and was confused by the fact that several other threads were started inside that thread that were completely unrelated to the original. This is because instead of sending a completely new message, the "initial" message of the new thread was created in response to an old message from an unrelated thread.
You can see the mentioned thread here:
https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydeskt op.org/thread/TSER4NCDKV6WC6ITTFOLKOZWWAVC3VFZ/
Note that inside the thread "I just resubscribed,..." you can find other threads like:
tips on getting TDE to run smoothly
how to enable mouse keys by default or command-line?
quick & dirty - installation & backup
my vanishing root partition
my rebellious lower panel
can burn DVDs but not CDs
a perfectly good system shot to hell
network problems in Devuan Jessie-Beowulf merged
LTS has less security
system colors & permission problems
Brother printer - comments?
aptoncd rejects tde-trinity pkgs
pulseaudio conflicts with my TDE
antiX - debian-based distro - no systemd
how to restore/reconfigure lost wireless connection?
how to re-index Kmail
wireless interface not recognized on boot
chat clients - cannot connect
Devuan netinstall with TDE as option?
...and some more until recently ...
ksystraycmd & panel hiding
network-manager-tde - dependency issues
how to get tdenetworkmanager - with no wicd ?
I assume that from this example it is clear what is the subject of the said mess. Of course, adding a "SOLVED" or extending a subject is not a problem as long as it's still the same related thread.
This problem was not visible on the old mailing list archive, because the threads were not followed thoroughly and, above all, they were not followed beyond the edges of the months.
The new archive can track threads in detail. Therefore, a thread emerged here, which began in 2018 and was confused in this way.
Therefore, it is a good idea to follow a simple rule that a new thread must start as a new message, not in response to some unrelated message in which the subject and content will be replaced.
Cheers
Sorry to "out" you, Slavek! I was only trying to play nice.
Best thing is if we can start out the new mailing list on the right foot.
Bill
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On 8 September 2020 01:09:19 Slávek Banko via tde-users ml-migration-agent@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
On Tuesday 08 of September 2020 00:45:27 Steven D'Aprano via tde-users wrote:
On Sun, Sep 06, 2020 at 02:46:58PM -0700, William Morder via tde-users
wrote:
So the short version is: only hit reply if you intend to keep the topic within the thread.
If we go off-topic, then we ought to create a brand-new email, not just hit replay; otherwise, we drag email addresses and related threads upon threads in, and we end up with 293 comments (I hear, but haven't seen them myself).
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The new archive can track threads in detail. Therefore, a thread emerged here, which began in 2018 and was confused in this way.
Therefore, it is a good idea to follow a simple rule that a new thread must start as a new message, not in response to some unrelated message in which the subject and content will be replaced.
Which is, I believe, the defacto standard.
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