On Tue, 1 Sep 2020, ajh-valmer wrote: watch out for Google's new security settings for 'unsafe apps'. <https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255> f. -- Felmon Davis Verbum sat sapienti. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 23:26:16 +0200 "ajh-valmer" &lt;ajh.valmer(a)free.fr&gt; wrote: GMail used to have a separate, per-account "Allow POP/IMAP/SMTP" setting buried somewhere in its configuration pages. Did you find it and set it appropriately? It's easy to miss it if you don't know it exists. Beyond that, the only advice I have is to try Claws or Thunderbird or something, so that we can determine whether this is a KMail problem or a Google problem. (In general, I don't recommend GMail for non-webmail, as the people there seem incapable of following protocol standards—I ended up paying for a fastmail.net account in order to get away from them.) E. Liddell --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Wed, 2 Sep 2020, Janek Stolarek wrote: will chime in and say the same experience as I have, also with VPN (different geographical locations). my client is Alpine though I also use Gmail's web interface. I am also usually logged in simultaneously to two different Gmail accounts (two instances of Alpine running). Alpine will give a warning sometimes on first start up of Alpine, something about not being wholly secure, and offers a 'yes/no' option, then it's go. f. -- Felmon Davis Verbum sat sapienti. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

I sent this email earlier, but since I didn't receive my usual copy sent to myself, it seemed that it never made it to the outside world. And then there was a mildy amusing incident, and a few hours of creeping panic, but I don't want to spoil the story, so I save it for its proper place. On Wednesday 02 September 2020 13:35:32 Janek Stolarek wrote: Here is what I originally wrote: Whoa! That is one cool trick! It might be general knowledge for some, but it's news to me, and I never found anything like that among suggestions in Gmail's pages, nor on other sites who offer advice on how to for Gmail. (Doesn't work on Zoho mail, however; just thought I'd give it a try.) At least I managed to clear all the old emails off the server. Yeah, I was beginning to feel like some kind of shiftless [or maybe shifty?]* pariah, banned from Google periodically, because I have moved from my home to the library, 15 minutes' walk from here. Thanks for the tip! Bill P.S. After I implemented this change in my Gmail accounts [see above], suddenly my wifi was disabled. I spent a few hours last night, then again this morning, trying in vain to get it back. Then it seemed that my eth0, as well, wasn't recognized! How can that be? I even started the process of reinstalling my Devuan Beowulf (a pain, but it's much quicker now than it was when running Jessie); during setup nothing in my network was recognized! Hardware failure?!?! Then I tried some rescue discs and other such tools; again, nothing happening. The only thing I had done was to change that line in Gmail, then to check email. Could Google really be such a Big Brother gangsta that they would deliberately destroy my wireless and ethernet connections? Those jive %@! >?$#~!!!! At last I check my wifi antenna. (I know, it's weird to use a wifi antenna for a desktop computer, but I built this system out of parts.) As it turns out, somehow the USB got unplugged from the antenna itself, which is odd, because I actually have it clamped in place, to make sure that cannot happen. I can only imagine that I must have stepped on a wire when moving round the stand that holds my printer; maybe just enough pressure to pull it loose. Well, so the moral of this story is, never let your paranoia decide the cause of bad experiences, when your own clumsiness or stupidity can explain it. P.P.S. *It occurs to me that whether one is "shiftless" [unmotivated, lazy] or "shifty" [nervous, acting guilty, moving round too much, no fixed abode, etc.], both are bad. So is it better to be shifty or shiftless, or should one avoid this word altogether? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting