I use a GTK 3 application ("Revolt" on Debian/Devuan) and its titlebar is so ugly. I tried to use my TDE style for it in "GTK Styles and Fonts" and it only makes it worse. GTK 2 applications look much nicer with Tqt3 integration, but GTK 3... It's an eyesore no matter what, to say the least.
This brings me to my question - is there any way to make GTK 3 apps integrate more nicely into TDE? I have gtk3-tqt-engine-trinity installed but there's only the default style available or use my TDE theme for it (which breaks it and makes it look worse).
Anno domini 2021 Tue, 27 Jul 19:20:43 -0500 Hunter via tde-users scripsit:
I use a GTK 3 application ("Revolt" on Debian/Devuan) and its titlebar is so ugly. I tried to use my TDE style for it in "GTK Styles and Fonts" and it only makes it worse. GTK 2 applications look much nicer with Tqt3 integration, but GTK 3... It's an eyesore no matter what, to say the least.
This brings me to my question - is there any way to make GTK 3 apps integrate more nicely into TDE? I have gtk3-tqt-engine-trinity installed but there's only the default style available or use my TDE theme for it (which breaks it and makes it look worse). ____________________________________________________ tde-users mailing list -- users@trinitydesktop.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@trinitydesktop.org Web mail archive available at https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydeskto...
Have you tried to set a style with lxappearance ?
Nik
On Tuesday 27 July 2021 23:12:13 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2021 Tue, 27 Jul 19:20:43 -0500
Hunter via tde-users scripsit:
I use a GTK 3 application ("Revolt" on Debian/Devuan) and its titlebar is so ugly. I tried to use my TDE style for it in "GTK Styles and Fonts" and it only makes it worse. GTK 2 applications look much nicer with Tqt3 integration, but GTK 3... It's an eyesore no matter what, to say the least.
This brings me to my question - is there any way to make GTK 3 apps integrate more nicely into TDE? I have gtk3-tqt-engine-trinity installed but there's only the default style available or use my TDE theme for it (which breaks it and makes it look worse).
Have you tried to set a style with lxappearance ?
Nik
You may want to check out these threads: "how to force TDE colors in non-TDE apps?" and especially the sequel: "how to force TDE colors in non-TDE apps? SOLVED" 2021-01-18 or thereabouts (an exchange mostly between E.Liddell and myself).
But here is the gist of it: ####### I stumbled on a site: https://askubuntu.com/questions/706528/qt-apps-stopped-inheriting-gtk-themes... https://web.archive.org/web/20201111174652/https://askubuntu.com/questions/7... wherein are unlocked the mysteries of qt5ct in a single line.
*NOTE that other pages gave information which was either contradictory or at least unclear, leaving me frustrated and unable to figure out where in /home/<USER>/.profile to insert the line for qt. So for other Trinity users out there who may want to use the look of their TDE and color outside the lines when using non-TDE apps, this is what actually worked for me.*
After installing qt5ct and whatever other packages (more for developers), run this command: sudo sh -c "echo 'export QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2' >> /etc/environment"
Open qt5ct and choose according to personal preferences, then reboot. The user will now have TDE colors and themes in non-TDE applications. It will also run gtk2 and gtk3, and lots of other good stuff. It seems like it will work for other desktops, as well, as others say.
For most users, this will probably take care of their needs. #######
It sounds like this is what you're looking for. E.Liddell pointed me in this direction, and the rest I nicked from the webpage mentioned above.
I hope this helps!
Bill
On 2021-07-28 03:29:30 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Tuesday 27 July 2021 23:12:13 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2021 Tue, 27 Jul 19:20:43 -0500
Hunter via tde-users scripsit:
I use a GTK 3 application ("Revolt" on Debian/Devuan) and its titlebar is so ugly. I tried to use my TDE style for it in "GTK Styles and Fonts" and it only makes it worse. GTK 2 applications look much nicer with Tqt3 integration, but GTK 3... It's an eyesore no matter what, to say the least.
This brings me to my question - is there any way to make GTK 3 apps integrate more nicely into TDE? I have gtk3-tqt-engine-trinity installed but there's only the default style available or use my TDE theme for it (which breaks it and makes it look worse).
Have you tried to set a style with lxappearance ?
Nik
You may want to check out these threads: "how to force TDE colors in non-TDE apps?" and especially the sequel: "how to force TDE colors in non-TDE apps? SOLVED" 2021-01-18 or thereabouts (an exchange mostly between E.Liddell and myself).
But here is the gist of it: ####### I stumbled on a site: https://askubuntu.com/questions/706528/qt-apps-stopped-inheriting-gtk-theme s/748186#748186 https://web.archive.org/web/20201111174652/https://askubuntu.com/questions/ 706528/qt-apps-stopped-inheriting-gtk-themes/748186#748186 wherein are unlocked the mysteries of qt5ct in a single line.
*NOTE that other pages gave information which was either contradictory or at least unclear, leaving me frustrated and unable to figure out where in /home/<USER>/.profile to insert the line for qt. So for other Trinity users out there who may want to use the look of their TDE and color outside the lines when using non-TDE apps, this is what actually worked for me.*
After installing qt5ct and whatever other packages (more for developers), run this command: sudo sh -c "echo 'export QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2' >> /etc/environment"
Open qt5ct and choose according to personal preferences, then reboot. The user will now have TDE colors and themes in non-TDE applications. It will also run gtk2 and gtk3, and lots of other good stuff. It seems like it will work for other desktops, as well, as others say.
For most users, this will probably take care of their needs. #######
It sounds like this is what you're looking for. E.Liddell pointed me in this direction, and the rest I nicked from the webpage mentioned above.
I hope this helps!
Bill
Is it likely that it will this fix the ugly Sans-Serif fonts and wasted space around text in title bars, tabs, buttons, etc., too?
Leslie -- Operating System: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.3 x86_64 Desktop Environment: Trinity Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.0.10 tde-config: 1.0
Anno domini 2021 Wed, 28 Jul 03:55:48 -0500 J Leslie Turriff scripsit:
On 2021-07-28 03:29:30 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Tuesday 27 July 2021 23:12:13 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2021 Tue, 27 Jul 19:20:43 -0500
Hunter via tde-users scripsit:
I use a GTK 3 application ("Revolt" on Debian/Devuan) and its titlebar is so ugly. I tried to use my TDE style for it in "GTK Styles and Fonts" and it only makes it worse. GTK 2 applications look much nicer with Tqt3 integration, but GTK 3... It's an eyesore no matter what, to say the least.
This brings me to my question - is there any way to make GTK 3 apps integrate more nicely into TDE? I have gtk3-tqt-engine-trinity installed but there's only the default style available or use my TDE theme for it (which breaks it and makes it look worse).
Have you tried to set a style with lxappearance ?
Nik
You may want to check out these threads: "how to force TDE colors in non-TDE apps?" and especially the sequel: "how to force TDE colors in non-TDE apps? SOLVED" 2021-01-18 or thereabouts (an exchange mostly between E.Liddell and myself).
But here is the gist of it: ####### I stumbled on a site: https://askubuntu.com/questions/706528/qt-apps-stopped-inheriting-gtk-theme s/748186#748186 https://web.archive.org/web/20201111174652/https://askubuntu.com/questions/ 706528/qt-apps-stopped-inheriting-gtk-themes/748186#748186 wherein are unlocked the mysteries of qt5ct in a single line.
*NOTE that other pages gave information which was either contradictory or at least unclear, leaving me frustrated and unable to figure out where in /home/<USER>/.profile to insert the line for qt. So for other Trinity users out there who may want to use the look of their TDE and color outside the lines when using non-TDE apps, this is what actually worked for me.*
After installing qt5ct and whatever other packages (more for developers), run this command: sudo sh -c "echo 'export QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2' >> /etc/environment"
Open qt5ct and choose according to personal preferences, then reboot. The user will now have TDE colors and themes in non-TDE applications. It will also run gtk2 and gtk3, and lots of other good stuff. It seems like it will work for other desktops, as well, as others say.
For most users, this will probably take care of their needs. #######
It sounds like this is what you're looking for. E.Liddell pointed me in this direction, and the rest I nicked from the webpage mentioned above.
I hope this helps!
Bill
Is it likely that it will this fix the ugly Sans-Serif fonts and wasted space around text in title bars, tabs, buttons, etc., too?
Oh, you can solve that most easily with changing the GTK3 theme file ...
What makes you think he hasn't? :-D
He has :)
Nik
Leslie
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On 2021-07-28 03:55:48 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2021-07-28 03:29:30 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Tuesday 27 July 2021 23:12:13 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2021 Tue, 27 Jul 19:20:43 -0500
Hunter via tde-users scripsit:
I use a GTK 3 application ("Revolt" on Debian/Devuan) and its titlebar is so ugly. I tried to use my TDE style for it in "GTK Styles and Fonts" and it only makes it worse. GTK 2 applications look much nicer with Tqt3 integration, but GTK 3... It's an eyesore no matter what, to say the least.
This brings me to my question - is there any way to make GTK 3 apps integrate more nicely into TDE? I have gtk3-tqt-engine-trinity installed but there's only the default style available or use my TDE theme for it (which breaks it and makes it look worse).
Have you tried to set a style with lxappearance ?
Nik
You may want to check out these threads: "how to force TDE colors in non-TDE apps?" and especially the sequel: "how to force TDE colors in non-TDE apps? SOLVED" 2021-01-18 or thereabouts (an exchange mostly between E.Liddell and myself).
But here is the gist of it: ####### I stumbled on a site: https://askubuntu.com/questions/706528/qt-apps-stopped-inheriting-gtk-the me s/748186#748186 https://web.archive.org/web/20201111174652/https://askubuntu.com/question s/ 706528/qt-apps-stopped-inheriting-gtk-themes/748186#748186 wherein are unlocked the mysteries of qt5ct in a single line.
*NOTE that other pages gave information which was either contradictory or at least unclear, leaving me frustrated and unable to figure out where in /home/<USER>/.profile to insert the line for qt. So for other Trinity users out there who may want to use the look of their TDE and color outside the lines when using non-TDE apps, this is what actually worked for me.*
After installing qt5ct and whatever other packages (more for developers), run this command: sudo sh -c "echo 'export QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2' >> /etc/environment"
Open qt5ct and choose according to personal preferences, then reboot. The user will now have TDE colors and themes in non-TDE applications. It will also run gtk2 and gtk3, and lots of other good stuff. It seems like it will work for other desktops, as well, as others say.
For most users, this will probably take care of their needs. #######
It sounds like this is what you're looking for. E.Liddell pointed me in this direction, and the rest I nicked from the webpage mentioned above.
I hope this helps!
Bill
Is it likely that it will this fix the ugly Sans-Serif fonts and wasted space around text in title bars, tabs, buttons, etc., too?
FYI, I found this article from 2008 about making Gnome themes a bit more friendly; don't know if it still works. https://martin.ankerl.com/2008/10/11/how-to-make-a-compact-gnome-theme/
Leslie -- Operating System: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.3 x86_64 Desktop Environment: Trinity Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.0.10 tde-config: 1.0
Anno domini 2021 Wed, 28 Jul 22:10:01 -0500 J Leslie Turriff scripsit:
On 2021-07-28 03:55:48 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2021-07-28 03:29:30 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Tuesday 27 July 2021 23:12:13 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2021 Tue, 27 Jul 19:20:43 -0500
Hunter via tde-users scripsit:
I use a GTK 3 application ("Revolt" on Debian/Devuan) and its titlebar is so ugly. I tried to use my TDE style for it in "GTK Styles and Fonts" and it only makes it worse. GTK 2 applications look much nicer with Tqt3 integration, but GTK 3... It's an eyesore no matter what, to say the least.
This brings me to my question - is there any way to make GTK 3 apps integrate more nicely into TDE? I have gtk3-tqt-engine-trinity installed but there's only the default style available or use my TDE theme for it (which breaks it and makes it look worse).
Have you tried to set a style with lxappearance ?
Nik
You may want to check out these threads: "how to force TDE colors in non-TDE apps?" and especially the sequel: "how to force TDE colors in non-TDE apps? SOLVED" 2021-01-18 or thereabouts (an exchange mostly between E.Liddell and myself).
But here is the gist of it: ####### I stumbled on a site: https://askubuntu.com/questions/706528/qt-apps-stopped-inheriting-gtk-the me s/748186#748186 https://web.archive.org/web/20201111174652/https://askubuntu.com/question s/ 706528/qt-apps-stopped-inheriting-gtk-themes/748186#748186 wherein are unlocked the mysteries of qt5ct in a single line.
*NOTE that other pages gave information which was either contradictory or at least unclear, leaving me frustrated and unable to figure out where in /home/<USER>/.profile to insert the line for qt. So for other Trinity users out there who may want to use the look of their TDE and color outside the lines when using non-TDE apps, this is what actually worked for me.*
After installing qt5ct and whatever other packages (more for developers), run this command: sudo sh -c "echo 'export QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2' >> /etc/environment"
Open qt5ct and choose according to personal preferences, then reboot. The user will now have TDE colors and themes in non-TDE applications. It will also run gtk2 and gtk3, and lots of other good stuff. It seems like it will work for other desktops, as well, as others say.
For most users, this will probably take care of their needs. #######
It sounds like this is what you're looking for. E.Liddell pointed me in this direction, and the rest I nicked from the webpage mentioned above.
I hope this helps!
Bill
Is it likely that it will this fix the ugly Sans-Serif fonts and wasted space around text in title bars, tabs, buttons, etc., too?
FYI, I found this article from 2008 about making Gnome themes a bit more friendly; don't know if it still works. https://martin.ankerl.com/2008/10/11/how-to-make-a-compact-gnome-theme/
Sorry, this does not work any more. GTK2 wa predictable (kind of), but GNOME + GTK3 broke theming since GTK3 v1. They did not simply break it, they "improved" it with each iteration, so in case you had a working GTK3 theme you'd need to debug it for each iteration - and work your way through undocumented features. That was the reason why a lot themes vanished.
Nik
Leslie
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said William Morder via tde-users:
| You may want to check out these threads: | "how to force TDE colors in non-TDE apps?" | and especially the sequel: | "how to force TDE colors in non-TDE apps? SOLVED" | 2021-01-18 or thereabouts | (an exchange mostly between E.Liddell and myself). | | But here is the gist of it: | ####### | I stumbled on a site: | https://askubuntu.com/questions/706528/qt-apps-stopped-inheriting-gtk-th |emes/748186#748186 | https://web.archive.org/web/20201111174652/https://askubuntu.com/questio |ns/706528/qt-apps-stopped-inheriting-gtk-themes/748186#748186 wherein are | unlocked the mysteries of qt5ct in a single line. | | *NOTE that other pages gave information which was either contradictory | or at least unclear, leaving me frustrated and unable to figure out | where in /home/<USER>/.profile to insert the line for qt. So for other | Trinity users out there who may want to use the look of their TDE and | color outside the lines when using non-TDE apps, this is what actually | worked for me.* | | After installing qt5ct and whatever other packages (more for | developers), run this command: | sudo sh -c "echo 'export QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2' >> /etc/environment" | | Open qt5ct and choose according to personal preferences, then reboot. | The user will now have TDE colors and themes in non-TDE applications. It | will also run gtk2 and gtk3, and lots of other good stuff. It seems like | it will work for other desktops, as well, as others say. | | For most users, this will probably take care of their needs. | ####### | | It sounds like this is what you're looking for. E.Liddell pointed me in | this direction, and the rest I nicked from the webpage mentioned above. | | I hope this helps!
Even worse, in my estimation, is some of the crap the Gnomes have instituted, by far the worst being the now-you-see-it, now-you-dont scrollbar-tab thingy. I'm highly in favor of people being able to make their desktops and application behavior into whatever they want it to be, but forcing this as an unchangable default is beyond awful. I've spent many hours trying to make it go away, but best I can tell there's no escaping it. It's one of the reasons I tried the pretty awful digiKam over the once great gThumb.
That's perhaps the biggest problem with enthusiast open source: sometimes an application is done, full stop. It does what it was designed to do, and does it well. All that remains is maintenance and adding such features (support for new file formats and the like) as become appropriate. But that's not why a lot of developers got into it, which was "look at how cool this thing I made is."
Which makes it all the sadder that there are so many great GTK applications, while the GTK desktop is no improvement on anything, ever. In terms of UI, it's not as good as Windows 3.0. While the KDE developers went off en masse to the fever swamps, even though they had it right with KDE3, instead of polishing KDE3 and developing a range of excellent applications. It's insane, but it comes with the enthusuast developer territory. -- dep
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On Wednesday 28 July 2021 10:03:18 am dep wrote:
Even worse, in my estimation, is some of the crap the Gnomes have instituted, by far the worst being the now-you-see-it, now-you-dont scrollbar-tab thingy. I'm highly in favor of people being able to make their desktops and application behavior into whatever they want it to be, but forcing this as an unchangable default is beyond awful. I've spent many hours trying to make it go away, but best I can tell there's no escaping it. It's one of the reasons I tried the pretty awful digiKam over the once great gThumb.
That's perhaps the biggest problem with enthusiast open source: sometimes an application is done, full stop. It does what it was designed to do, and does it well. All that remains is maintenance and adding such features (support for new file formats and the like) as become appropriate. But that's not why a lot of developers got into it, which was "look at how cool this thing I made is."
Which makes it all the sadder that there are so many great GTK applications, while the GTK desktop is no improvement on anything, ever. In terms of UI, it's not as good as Windows 3.0. While the KDE developers went off en masse to the fever swamps, even though they had it right with KDE3, instead of polishing KDE3 and developing a range of excellent applications. It's insane, but it comes with the enthusuast developer territory. -- dep
GTK3 is an eyesore, but I guess Qt5 is as well.
On 2021-07-28 11:11:23 Hunter via tde-users wrote:
GTK3 is an eyesore, but I guess Qt5 is as well.
In my view, it's not so much that they're eyesores as that they provide such user-UNfriendly controls: in Gnome's case, too little control; in QT's, too obscure. And of course, just like Windoze, they keep moving things around so the user has to re-learn where the various controls are.
Leslie -- Operating System: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.3 x86_64 Desktop Environment: Trinity Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.0.10 tde-config: 1.0
On Wednesday 28 July 2021 10:09:20 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2021-07-28 11:11:23 Hunter via tde-users wrote:
GTK3 is an eyesore, but I guess Qt5 is as well.
In my view, it's not so much that they're eyesores as that they provide such user-UNfriendly controls: in Gnome's case, too little control; in QT's, too obscure. And of course, just like Windoze, they keep moving things around so the user has to re-learn where the various controls are.
Leslie
Developers of the newer KDE and Gnome in particular (but there are other culprits) keep changing things, apparently just to show that they stay busy.
It is sort of like living with somebody who is always changing round the furniture, merely out of boredom. I like to be able to find my way around in the dark, because I just know where everything is supposed to be.
My KDE3>TDE desktop has not changed much since about 2005, and that's how I like it.
I think a big part of the "problem" (from my own vantage point) is that many developers are relatively younger by comparison with many of their users -- and especially many of the users on the TDE mailing list. As somebody else pointed out, we tend to be more conservative in our choices about things like systemd versus init; and I imagine that this trait carries over into other areas, as well.
Maybe I am just set in my ways, but I don't mind change and novelty, if there is some good practical reason. Change just for the sake of change, however, can only be good for somebody who has nothing better to do. I don't work in technology; I use my machines to do other things in life, so unnecessary changes are a waste of time.
Bill
On 2021-07-28 12:25:20 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Maybe I am just set in my ways, but I don't mind change and novelty, if there is some good practical reason. Change just for the sake of change, however, can only be good for somebody who has nothing better to do. I don't work in technology; I use my machines to do other things in life, so unnecessary changes are a waste of time.
Bill
I agree; I'm all for changes that improve the package, but gee-whiz! eye-candy and moving things around in menus etc. just because of personal preference of a developer are a nuisance; some of us use our machines to get things done, we don't want such things slowing down our work-flow.
Leslie -- Operating System: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.3 x86_64 Desktop Environment: Trinity Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.0.10 tde-config: 1.0
On 2021-07-28 01:12:13 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2021 Tue, 27 Jul 19:20:43 -0500
Hunter via tde-users scripsit:
I use a GTK 3 application ("Revolt" on Debian/Devuan) and its titlebar is so ugly. I tried to use my TDE style for it in "GTK Styles and Fonts" and it only makes it worse. GTK 2 applications look much nicer with Tqt3 integration, but GTK 3... It's an eyesore no matter what, to say the least.
This brings me to my question - is there any way to make GTK 3 apps integrate more nicely into TDE? I have gtk3-tqt-engine-trinity installed but there's only the default style available or use my TDE theme for it (which breaks it and makes it look worse). ____________________________________________________ tde-users mailing list -- users@trinitydesktop.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@trinitydesktop.org Web mail archive available at https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydes ktop.org
Have you tried to set a style with lxappearance ?
Nik
Yet another GTK config tool... Thanks.
Leslie -- Operating System: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.3 x86_64 Desktop Environment: Trinity Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.0.10 tde-config: 1.0
July 28, 2021 1:13 AM, "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" office@klepp.biz wrote:
Have you tried to set a style with lxappearance ?
Nik
Sorry for the late reply / duplicates incoming, I'm having the hardest time getting Kmail to send things.. Anyhow, I haven't, but I will try this I reckon.
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