28 Sep
2020
28 Sep
'20
9:09 p.m.
Since this conversation appears to have gone off the rails already -- at least
three or four "leaps" in thought beyond the original question and header -- I
am starting a new thread.
Please feel free to cut out the excess verbiage.
On Monday 28 September 2020 10:10:13 Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote:
On Monday 28 September 2020 17.28:50 William Morder
via tde-users wrote:
I think (K)Ubuntu expect their users to use what has been proposed (that's
why there had to be a Kunbuntu in the first place). But that's probably
great if you don't want to (or can't) really learn the system.
With Debian/Devuan you have a steeper learning curve, but you are rewarded
with freedom (at least when it commes to the DE).
It took me time to get to use Debian (however I must say SuSE let me learn
to use Linux because of their great manual at thze end of last century) but
I never wished to go back.
For more control there is Gentoo, but that's quite another world...
Thierry
Yeah, I keep hearing about other distros to check out. When I was a couple
decades younger, I used to try out new distros. And it's fun, and if I had
more machines on which I could run experiments, while keeping at least one or
two machines working soundly, then I would jump in without hesitation.
I used to have a room full of Frankenstein computers, all of them built out of
parts, used to perform different kinds of tasks, including at least one or
two test machines. But now I must be content with just a BIG desktop
Frankenstein, although I am trying to get a couple of reconditioned laptops
for testing machines and for use as travel.
I have the same basic problem with both books and music. To untrained eyes
(such as landlords, property managers, etc.), this looks like useless
clutter; but I swear, all this stuff is the absolute bare minimum needed for
me to accomplish what I have set out to do.
There is nothing to be gained in trying to explain to outsiders just *why* I
believe that I need so much, because they won't ever get it no matter how
well I explain it to them.
For the present, I must try to limit myself to keeping things that will
actually fit inside my living space; otherwise, there will be nowhere for me
to rest my head at night.
Bill
jabber/xmpp
dr_mojo_contendo(a)hot-chilli.net
I think
the worst thing I did once (some years ago) was to install
Kubuntu and trying to install TDE on top of it, quite a nightmare.
Same here. I am still trying to weed out all the unwanted KDE 4/5 krap.
> Uwe 
30 Sep
30 Sep
4:26 a.m.
New subject: [users] the lure of unknown distros ~ versus too much stuff
On 2020-09-28 16:09:16 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Since this conversation appears to have gone off the
rails already -- at
least three or four "leaps" in thought beyond the original question and
header -- I am starting a new thread.
Please feel free to cut out the excess verbiage.
On Monday 28 September 2020 10:10:13 Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote:
If I could figure out how to get VirtualBox working in OpenSuSE I'd use that
to run other OS images, but so far my inability to install some of its
components has me stymied.
Leslie
On Monday 28 September 2020 17.28:50 William
Morder via tde-users wrote:
I think (K)Ubuntu expect their users to use what has been proposed
(that's why there had to be a Kunbuntu in the first place). But that's
probably great if you don't want to (or can't) really learn the system.
With Debian/Devuan you have a steeper learning curve, but you are
rewarded with freedom (at least when it commes to the DE).
It took me time to get to use Debian (however I must say SuSE let me
learn to use Linux because of their great manual at thze end of last
century) but I never wished to go back.
For more control there is Gentoo, but that's quite another world...
Thierry
Yeah, I keep hearing about other distros to check out. When I was a couple
decades younger, I used to try out new distros. And it's fun, and if I had
more machines on which I could run experiments, while keeping at least one
or two machines working soundly, then I would jump in without hesitation.
I used to have a room full of Frankenstein computers, all of them built out
of parts, used to perform different kinds of tasks, including at least one
or two test machines. But now I must be content with just a BIG desktop
Frankenstein, although I am trying to get a couple of reconditioned laptops
for testing machines and for use as travel.
I have the same basic problem with both books and music. To untrained eyes
(such as landlords, property managers, etc.), this looks like useless
clutter; but I swear, all this stuff is the absolute bare minimum needed
for me to accomplish what I have set out to do.
There is nothing to be gained in trying to explain to outsiders just *why*
I believe that I need so much, because they won't ever get it no matter how
well I explain it to them.
For the present, I must try to limit myself to keeping things that will
actually fit inside my living space; otherwise, there will be nowhere for
me to rest my head at night.
Bill I think
the worst thing I did once (some years ago) was to install
Kubuntu and trying to install TDE on top of it, quite a nightmare.
Same here. I am still trying to weed out all the unwanted KDE 4/5 krap.
> Uwe
6:45 a.m.
New subject: [users] the lure of unknown distros ~ versus too much stuff
On Tuesday 29 September 2020 21:26:27 J Leslie Turriff via tde-users wrote:
Yes, I would also consider running some kind of virtual machine inside my
Devuan system, so that I could test some other distros now and then (just to
keep my hand in, to know what's out there), but at the moment I have a lot of
other more pressing concerns, and besides, I like my Devuan system.
As somebody else wrote already (please pardon my faulty memory here!),
Debian/Devuan has a rather steep learning, especially for one such as myself
who isn't suited to technical work by either temperament or job requirements;
but once we learn how to get it to behave as we want, we have freedom.
Nik makes BSD sound interesting, and I would like to explore Slackware some
more, and there are others, as well; but at the moment I don't need to change
horses, and there is no hurry.
Bill
On 2020-09-28 16:09:16 William Morder via tde-users
wrote:
> Since this conversation appears to have gone off the rails already -- at
> least three or four "leaps" in thought beyond the original question and
> header -- I am starting a new thread.
>
> Please feel free to cut out the excess verbiage.
>
For the
present, I must try to limit myself to keeping things that will
actually fit inside my living space; otherwise, there will be nowhere for
me to rest my head at night.
Bill
If I could figure out how to get VirtualBox working in OpenSuSE I'd use
that to run other OS images, but so far my inability to install some of its
components has me stymied.
Leslie 
6:58 a.m.
New subject: [users] the lure of unknown distros ~ versus too much stuff
Anno domini 2020 Tue, 29 Sep 23:45:25 -0700
William Morder via tde-users scripsit:
On Tuesday 29 September 2020 21:26:27 J Leslie Turriff via tde-users wrote:
Yes, I would also consider running some kind of virtual machine inside my
Devuan system, so that I could test some other distros now and then (just to
keep my hand in, to know what's out there), but at the moment I have a lot of
other more pressing concerns, and besides, I like my Devuan system.
I have some X61 for this purpose. It's nice to run distos on real hardware, you
don't get the "emulator"-feeling. Just the real stuff with real problems :)
On 2020-09-28 16:09:16 William Morder via
tde-users wrote:
> Since this conversation appears to have gone off the rails already -- at
> least three or four "leaps" in thought beyond the original question and
> header -- I am starting a new thread.
>
> Please feel free to cut out the excess verbiage.
>
For the
present, I must try to limit myself to keeping things that will
actually fit inside my living space; otherwise, there will be nowhere for
me to rest my head at night.
Bill
If I could figure out how to get VirtualBox working in OpenSuSE I'd use
that to run other OS images, but so far my inability to install some of its
components has me stymied.
Leslie
As somebody else wrote already (please pardon my faulty memory here!),
Debian/Devuan has a rather steep learning, especially for one such as myself
who isn't suited to technical work by either temperament or job requirements;
but once we learn how to get it to behave as we want, we have freedom.
Nik makes BSD sound interesting, and I would like to explore Slackware some
more, and there are others, as well; but at the moment I don't need to change
horses, and there is no hurry.
Bill
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7:44 a.m.
New subject: [users] the lure of unknown distros ~ versus too much stuff
On Tuesday 29 September 2020 23:58:02 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
I have some X61 for this purpose. It's nice to run distos on real hardware,
you don't get the "emulator"-feeling. Just the real stuff with real
problems :)
And that sends me straight back to my fundamental problem at the moment, which
is not enough space and too little money, along with more pressing concerns
(such as data recovery).
For the moment, Devuan does everything I need or want. My main reason for
wanting to be able to test other distros, etc., is that things change: that
is, maybe in another five or ten years, Devuan will go the same way as
Debian, or worse Ubuntu, and "freedom" will come to be redefined in a more
commercially or politically acceptable manner. It's good to have options,
just in case the winds start blowing in a different direction.
Anno domini 2020 Tue, 29 Sep 23:45:25 -0700
William Morder via tde-users scripsit:
> On Tuesday 29 September 2020 21:26:27 J Leslie Turriff via tde-users
wrote:
On 2020-09-28 16:09:16 William Morder via tde-users
wrote:
Yes, I would also consider running some kind of virtual machine inside my
Devuan system, so that I could test some other distros now and then (just
to keep my hand in, to know what's out there), but at the moment I have a
lot of other more pressing concerns, and besides, I like my Devuan
system. Since this conversation appears to have gone off
the rails already --
at least three or four "leaps" in thought beyond the original
question and header -- I am starting a new thread.
Please feel free to cut out the excess verbiage.
For the present, I must try to limit myself to keeping things that
will actually fit inside my living space; otherwise, there will be
nowhere for me to rest my head at night.
Bill
If I could figure out how to get VirtualBox working in OpenSuSE I'd
use that to run other OS images, but so far my inability to install
some of its components has me stymied.
Leslie > As somebody else wrote already (please pardon my
faulty memory here!),
> Debian/Devuan has a rather steep learning [curve]*, especially for one
such
> as myself who isn't suited to technical work
by either temperament or job
> requirements; but once we learn how to get it to behave as we want, we
> have freedom.
* correcting my own mistake here
> >
> > Nik makes BSD sound interesting, and I would like to explore Slackware
> > some more, and there are others, as well; but at the moment I don't need
> > to change horses, and there is no hurry.
> >
> > Bill
4 p.m.
New subject: [users] the lure of unknown distros ~ versus too much stuff
For the moment, Devuan does everything I need or want. My main reason for
wanting to be able to test other distros, etc., is that things change: that
is, maybe in another five or ten years, Devuan will go the same way as
Debian, or worse Ubuntu, and "freedom" will come to be redefined in a more
commercially or politically acceptable manner. It's good to have options,
just in case the winds start blowing in a different direction.
Perhaps you should have a look at https://distrotest.net.
You can test other distros in a remove VM. You can also VNC into them if you wish.
Cheers
Michele
4 Oct
4 Oct
6:39 p.m.
New subject: [users] the lure of unknown distros ~ versus too much stuff
On Wednesday 30 September 2020 09:00:32 Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
Thanks for this link. It is truly a feast of Linux distros. I know a lot of
them already, but there are more here than anybody would ever have time to
test. It's a good reference, especially as one doesn't need to install the
systems in order to test them.
Bill
For the
moment, Devuan does everything I need or want. My main reason for
wanting to be able to test other distros, etc., is that things change:
that is, maybe in another five or ten years, Devuan will go the same way
as Debian, or worse Ubuntu, and "freedom" will come to be redefined in a
more commercially or politically acceptable manner. It's good to have
options, just in case the winds start blowing in a different direction.
Perhaps you should have a look at https://distrotest.net.
You can test other distros in a remove VM. You can also VNC into them if
you wish. Cheers
Michele 
30 Sep
30 Sep
2:51 p.m.
New subject: VirtualBox working in OpenSuSE
On Tuesday 29 September 2020 11:26:27 pm J Leslie Turriff via tde-users wrote:
If I could figure out how to get VirtualBox working
in OpenSuSE I'd use
that to run other OS images, but so far my inability to install some of its
components has me stymied.
Hi Leslie,
I have no idea if this will help, and I’m sure you’ll need to translate
package names to OpenSuSE. These are the ‘automagic’ package install
instructions for MX Linux (Debian 10 buster). They work and are very well
tested. How to use VirtualBox I’ll still sorting out, so I can’t help you
there :(
- For 64 bit architectures, do in order <preinstall>, <install_package_names>,
<postinstall>.
- Uninstall with <uninstall_package_names>.
Notes: MX does these through a graphical sudo process in Xfce. When I did it
(in TDE) I had to run it as raw root to be able to ‘accept’ the Oracle thing
[TOS?]. It was ‘broken’ unless I accepted it.
###############
<installable>
64
</installable>
<screenshot>https://screenshots.debian.net/screenshots/000/015/010/large.png</screenshot>
<preinstall>
</preinstall>
<install_package_names>
virtualbox
virtualbox-ext-pack
virtualbox-guest-additions-iso
</install_package_names>
<postinstall>
gpasswd -M $(getent group users | cut -d: -f4) vboxusers
</postinstall>
<uninstall_package_names>
virtualbox
virtualbox-ext-pack
virtualbox-guest-additions-iso
</uninstall_package_names>
###############
Uh, yeah, that postinstall I'm sure it's not the same for OpenSuSE. Here’s
what the sub commands are on my box, both root and my username come up with
the same value.
michael@local [~]# getent group users
users:x:100:michael
root@local [~]# getent group users
users:x:100:michael
# getent group users | cut -d: -f4
michael
Grab a Debian Man for gpasswd if gpasswd isn’t the same on OpenSuSE.
HTH,
Michael
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