20 Aug
2018
20 Aug
'18
11:12 a.m.
Installed stretch on a fresh hard drive, using a multiple partition
setup, default gnome simple install. Broke my eyeballs and will use up
a set of batteries in my mouse weekly to get anything done. Its a single
user, single tasking system, with a busted terminal emulator, at best.
Rebooted back to wheezy and printed the "debian trinity repository
installation instructions", then rebooted back to stretch to apply them.
Did, but got an odd error with the import key line. Fixed trinity.list
for apt of course first. But synaptic did run, tde was clear at the
bottom of the left column, but I found it and 45 minutes and about
1100MB of downloads later I thought I had enough tde to run. R14.0.5
FWIW.
Rebooted to stretch, was greeted by the trinity login greeter, thought I
was home free, but it was quiet for about 45 seconds after I entered the
pw. Then boom, I'm looking at the worthless gnome screen again.
During the install, I was asked which manager to use and clicked on
tdm-trinity.
But its not sticking, and I can't mount the stretch drive and edit it,
theres enough diffs between the ext4's that it refuses to mount from
wheezy. And if I add it to wheezy's fstab, the reboot locks up and I
have to use the root pw to get a shell and # sign that line back out of
wheezy'd fstab. Hopefully I will not have that problem in reverse
because there's about 150 GB of stuff on the old wheezy drive to copy
over. I did that, and I could read a dir or 3, but when I rebooted to
wheezy again, it had to do a 20 minute e2fsck of the wheezy drive, which
it did w/o reporting any errors.
Looks like I need help before I really screw this up.
So first, what do I edit or nuke to get rid of the gnome over-ride?
Thanks.
--
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
20 Aug
20 Aug
12:21 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
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So first, what do I edit or nuke to get rid of the
gnome over-ride?
Thanks.
IMO, since you are installing stretch on a fresh HD, install a minimum environment without
any DE at all. Then add TDE.
No surprises, you only get TDE :-)
Cheers
Michele
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2:08 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Monday 20 August 2018 08:21:43 Michele Calgaro wrote:
Well, I apparently installed the wrong dvd, I was using the first dvd of
9.4 debian, when I should have been using the stretch uspace disc to
install linuxcnc. That is after all, the target of this masochistic
exercise. :)
So I've now burnt the correct disk and will re-install as if the drive is
clean by letting the installer do the partitioning over.
These guys make a pretty good installer simply because they know what it
needs and doesn't need to run LinuxCNC right. They don't care if it
doesn't run on cousin Molly's washing machine, although with some config
effort, it can probably run it, better than the programming it came
with.
I certainly had no such problems installing tde on top of the kde I
originally loaded onto my Dell running a grizzly G0704 mill on a special
wheezy install. So I'll do the same and then install tde on that.
Back later with grins or tears.
Thanks Michelle.
--
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
So first, what
do I edit or nuke to get rid of the gnome over-ride?
Thanks.
IMO, since you are installing stretch on a fresh HD, install a minimum
environment without any DE at all. Then add TDE. No surprises, you
only get TDE :-)
Cheers
Michele 
2:41 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
Am Montag, 20. August 2018 schrieb Gene Heskett:
[...]
These guys make a pretty good installer simply because they know what it
needs and doesn't need to run LinuxCNC right. They don't care if it
doesn't run on cousin Molly's washing machine, although with some config
effort, it can probably run it, better than the programming it came
with.
I certainly had no such problems installing tde on top of the kde I
originally loaded onto my Dell running a grizzly G0704 mill on a special
wheezy install. So I'll do the same and then install tde on that.
Back later with grins or tears.
Thanks Michelle.
Hi Gene!
You should definitly walk the devuan road. I had a hell of a time with machinekit on BBB,
till I found out how to get rid of the systemd stuff. When you run stretch + linuxcnc,
you'll most likely get bad surprises (aka. latency > 400000ns) with the
4.*-rtpreempt kernel
Nik
--
Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA,
CIA ...
11:44 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Monday 20 August 2018 10:41:23 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Montag, 20. August 2018 schrieb Gene Heskett:
Its tears so far Nik. There are so many differences just in the ext4's
used that one of them should be renamed, they will NOT cross mount, ext4
disk to ext4 mount.
--
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
[...]
These guys make a pretty good installer simply because they know
what it needs and doesn't need to run LinuxCNC right. They don't
care if it doesn't run on cousin Molly's washing machine, although
with some config effort, it can probably run it, better than the
programming it came with.
I certainly had no such problems installing tde on top of the kde I
originally loaded onto my Dell running a grizzly G0704 mill on a
special wheezy install. So I'll do the same and then install tde on
that.
Back later with grins or tears.
Thanks Michelle.
Hi Gene!
You should definitly walk the devuan road. I had a hell of a time with
machinekit on BBB, till I found out how to get rid of the systemd
stuff. When you run stretch + linuxcnc, you'll most likely get bad
surprises (aka. latency > 400000ns) with the 4.*-rtpreempt kernel
Nik
21 Aug
21 Aug
7:20 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
Am Dienstag, 21. August 2018 schrieb Gene Heskett:
On Monday 20 August 2018 10:41:23 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
wrote:
Hi Gene!
When you cannot mount the ext4 partions from one another, then there is something very
wrong. ext4 can be mounted as ext2 and that should alway work - at least, if the drives
and filesystems are ok.
Nik
--
Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA,
CIA ...
Am Montag, 20. August 2018 schrieb Gene Heskett:
Its tears so far Nik. There are so many differences just in the ext4's
used that one of them should be renamed, they will NOT cross mount, ext4
disk to ext4 mount. [...]
These guys make a pretty good installer simply because they know
what it needs and doesn't need to run LinuxCNC right. They don't
care if it doesn't run on cousin Molly's washing machine, although
with some config effort, it can probably run it, better than the
programming it came with.
I certainly had no such problems installing tde on top of the kde I
originally loaded onto my Dell running a grizzly G0704 mill on a
special wheezy install. So I'll do the same and then install tde on
that.
Back later with grins or tears.
Thanks Michelle.
Hi Gene!
You should definitly walk the devuan road. I had a hell of a time with
machinekit on BBB, till I found out how to get rid of the systemd
stuff. When you run stretch + linuxcnc, you'll most likely get bad
surprises (aka. latency > 400000ns) with the 4.*-rtpreempt kernel
Nik 
9:12 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 09:20:43 +0200
"Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office(a)klepp.biz> wrote:
No, you are wrong. There were options added to ext4 which made it
incompatible with older kernels. And a few years ago they made this options
default. Debian wheezy kernel (3.2) would not mount ext4 created in debian
stretch.
--
Nick Koretsky (nick.koretsky(a)gmail.com)
Its tears so far Nik. There are so many differences just in the ext4's
used that one of them should be renamed, they will NOT cross mount,
ext4 disk to ext4 mount.
Hi Gene!
When you cannot mount the ext4 partions from one another, then there is
something very wrong. ext4 can be mounted as ext2 and that should alway
work - at least, if the drives and filesystems are ok.
10:55 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
Am Dienstag, 21. August 2018 schrieb Nick Koretsky:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 09:20:43 +0200
"Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office(a)klepp.biz> wrote:
No, you are wrong. There were options added to ext4 which made it
incompatible with older kernels. And a few years ago they made this options
default. Debian wheezy kernel (3.2) would not mount ext4 created in debian
stretch.
Hi!
Now that's a gotcha I did not know. How did it come that this was thought of beeing a
good idea?
Nik
--
Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA,
CIA ...
Its tears so far Nik. There are so many differences just in the ext4's
used that one of them should be renamed, they will NOT cross mount,
ext4 disk to ext4 mount.
Hi Gene!
When you cannot mount the ext4 partions from one another, then there is
something very wrong. ext4 can be mounted as ext2 and that should alway
work - at least, if the drives and filesystems are ok.
12:21 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 12:55:28 +0200
"Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office(a)klepp.biz> wrote:
Am Dienstag, 21. August 2018 schrieb Nick Koretsky:
Yep. Exactly my thought when i spent 3-hours with a server refusing to boot
after migration to a new hdd (i used a stretch flash to copy). Who the fuck
toughs it was a good idea?!! Why not call it ext5 or ext4a or whatever?!!
--
Nick Koretsky (nick.koretsky(a)gmail.com)
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 09:20:43 +0200
"Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office(a)klepp.biz> wrote:
No, you are wrong. There were options added to ext4 which made it
incompatible with older kernels. And a few years ago they made this
options default. Debian wheezy kernel (3.2) would not mount ext4
created in debian stretch.
Hi!
Now that's a gotcha I did not know. How did it come that this was thought
of beeing a good idea?
Nik
Its tears so far Nik. There are so many differences just in the
ext4's used that one of them should be renamed, they will NOT cross
mount, ext4 disk to ext4 mount.
Hi Gene!
When you cannot mount the ext4 partions from one another, then there
is something very wrong. ext4 can be mounted as ext2 and that should
alway work - at least, if the drives and filesystems are ok.
1:08 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 08:21:12 Nick Koretsky wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 12:55:28 +0200
"Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office(a)klepp.biz> wrote:
+100
Now the question of the day is how the hell do we fix it?
--
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Am Dienstag, 21. August 2018 schrieb Nick
Koretsky:
Yep. Exactly my thought when i spent 3-hours with a server refusing to
boot after migration to a new hdd (i used a stretch flash to copy).
Who the fuck toughs it was a good idea?!! Why not call it ext5 or
ext4a or whatever?!! On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 09:20:43 +0200
"Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office(a)klepp.biz> wrote:
Hi!
Now that's a gotcha I did not know. How did it come that this was
thought of beeing a good idea?
Nik > Its tears so far Nik. There are so many
differences just in
> the ext4's used that one of them should be renamed, they will
> NOT cross mount, ext4 disk to ext4 mount.
Hi Gene!
When you cannot mount the ext4 partions from one another, then
there is something very wrong. ext4 can be mounted as ext2 and
that should alway work - at least, if the drives and filesystems
are ok.
No, you are wrong. There were options added to ext4 which made it
incompatible with older kernels. And a few years ago they made
this options default. Debian wheezy kernel (3.2) would not mount
ext4 created in debian stretch.
1:36 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 09:08:55 -0400
Gene Heskett <gheskett(a)shentel.net> wrote:
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 08:21:12 Nick Koretsky
wrote:
If you need a shared partition between wheezy and stretch create it in
wheezy.
--
Nick Koretsky (nick.koretsky(a)gmail.com)
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 12:55:28 +0200
"Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office(a)klepp.biz> wrote:
+100
Now the question of the day is how the hell do we fix it?
Am Dienstag, 21. August 2018 schrieb Nick
Koretsky:
Yep. Exactly my thought when i spent 3-hours with a server refusing to
boot after migration to a new hdd (i used a stretch flash to copy).
Who the fuck toughs it was a good idea?!! Why not call it ext5 or
ext4a or whatever?!! On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 09:20:43 +0200
"Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office(a)klepp.biz> wrote:
> > Its tears so far Nik. There are so many differences just in
> > the ext4's used that one of them should be renamed, they will
> > NOT cross mount, ext4 disk to ext4 mount.
>
> Hi Gene!
>
> When you cannot mount the ext4 partions from one another, then
> there is something very wrong. ext4 can be mounted as ext2 and
> that should alway work - at least, if the drives and filesystems
> are ok.
No, you are wrong. There were options added to ext4 which made it
incompatible with older kernels. And a few years ago they made
this options default. Debian wheezy kernel (3.2) would not mount
ext4 created in debian stretch.
Hi!
Now that's a gotcha I did not know. How did it come that this was
thought of beeing a good idea?
Nik 
1:47 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
Dne út 21. srpna 2018 Nick Koretsky napsal(a):
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 09:08:55 -0400
Gene Heskett <gheskett(a)shentel.net> wrote:
I recommend upgrading to wheezy-backports kernel.
Cheers
--
Slávek
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 08:21:12 Nick Koretsky
wrote:
If you need a shared partition between wheezy and stretch create it in
wheezy. On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 12:55:28 +0200
"Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office(a)klepp.biz> wrote:
+100
Now the question of the day is how the hell do we fix it? Am Dienstag, 21. August 2018 schrieb Nick
Koretsky:
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 09:20:43 +0200
>
> "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office(a)klepp.biz> wrote:
> > > Its tears so far Nik. There are so many differences just in
> > > the ext4's used that one of them should be renamed, they
> > > will NOT cross mount, ext4 disk to ext4 mount.
> >
> > Hi Gene!
> >
> > When you cannot mount the ext4 partions from one another,
> > then there is something very wrong. ext4 can be mounted as
> > ext2 and that should alway work - at least, if the drives and
> > filesystems are ok.
>
> No, you are wrong. There were options added to ext4 which made
> it incompatible with older kernels. And a few years ago they
> made this options default. Debian wheezy kernel (3.2) would not
> mount ext4 created in debian stretch.
Hi!
Now that's a gotcha I did not know. How did it come that this was
thought of beeing a good idea?
Nik
Yep. Exactly my thought when i spent 3-hours with a server refusing
to boot after migration to a new hdd (i used a stretch flash to
copy). Who the fuck toughs it was a good idea?!! Why not call it
ext5 or ext4a or whatever?!!
2:10 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 09:47:19 Slávek Banko wrote:
Dne út 21. srpna 2018 Nick Koretsky napsal(a):
From the plethora of errors I'm getting in a synaptic refresh, the wheezy
repos seem to have been shut down. Support ended June 30 IIRC. Even
backports is 404. The rest are address not found.
--
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 09:08:55 -0400
Gene Heskett <gheskett(a)shentel.net> wrote:
I recommend upgrading to wheezy-backports kernel.
Cheers On Tuesday 21 August 2018 08:21:12 Nick Koretsky
wrote:
If you need a shared partition between wheezy and stretch create it
in wheezy. On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 12:55:28 +0200
"Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office(a)klepp.biz> wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 21. August 2018 schrieb Nick Koretsky:
> > On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 09:20:43 +0200
> >
> > "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office(a)klepp.biz> wrote:
> > > > Its tears so far Nik. There are so many differences just
> > > > in the ext4's used that one of them should be renamed,
> > > > they will NOT cross mount, ext4 disk to ext4 mount.
> > >
> > > Hi Gene!
> > >
> > > When you cannot mount the ext4 partions from one another,
> > > then there is something very wrong. ext4 can be mounted as
> > > ext2 and that should alway work - at least, if the drives
> > > and filesystems are ok.
> >
> > No, you are wrong. There were options added to ext4 which
> > made it incompatible with older kernels. And a few years ago
> > they made this options default. Debian wheezy kernel (3.2)
> > would not mount ext4 created in debian stretch.
>
> Hi!
>
> Now that's a gotcha I did not know. How did it come that this
> was thought of beeing a good idea?
>
> Nik
Yep. Exactly my thought when i spent 3-hours with a server
refusing to boot after migration to a new hdd (i used a stretch
flash to copy). Who the fuck toughs it was a good idea?!! Why
not call it ext5 or ext4a or whatever?!!
+100
Now the question of the day is how the hell do we fix it?
2:57 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 10:10:56 -0400
Gene Heskett <gheskett(a)shentel.net> wrote:
From the plethora of errors I'm getting in a synaptic refresh, the wheezy
repos seem to have been shut down. Support ended June 30 IIRC. Even
backports is 404. The rest are address not found.
Hm? http://ftp.debian.org/ still have wheezy. The debian repos are never
gone, the older one just get moved to http://archive.debian.org
--
Nick Koretsky (nick.koretsky(a)gmail.com)
5:18 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 10:57:02 Nick Koretsky wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 10:10:56 -0400
Gene Heskett <gheskett(a)shentel.net> wrote:
but no key files, something aptitude
doesn't tolerate, and synaptic
complains about at length.
or just plain gone. If synaptic will copy/paste:
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/Release.gpg
Something wicked happened resolving 'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No
address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/main/binary-i386/Pa…
Something wicked happened resolving 'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No
address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/contrib/binary-i386…
Something wicked happened resolving 'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No
address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/non-free/binary-i38…
Something wicked happened resolving 'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No
address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/contrib/i18n/Transl…
Something wicked happened resolving 'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No
address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/contrib/i18n/Transl…
Something wicked happened resolving 'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No
address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/main/i18n/Translati…
Something wicked happened resolving 'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No
address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/main/i18n/Translati…
Something wicked happened resolving 'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No
address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/non-free/i18n/Trans…
Something wicked happened resolving 'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No
address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/non-free/i18n/Trans…
Something wicked happened resolving 'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No
address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://mozilla.debian.net/dists/wheezy-backports/firefox-release/binary-i38…
404 Not Found [IP: 149.20.4.15 80]
Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones
used instead.
From the plethora of errors I'm getting in a
synaptic refresh, the
wheezy repos seem to have been shut down. Support ended June 30
IIRC. Even backports is 404. The rest are address not found.
Hm? http://ftp.debian.org/ still have wheezy. The debian repos are
never gone, the older one just get moved to http://archive.debian.org
So I should edit the repos to be archive.debian.org? Is there just one,
no mirrors?
Thanks Nick.
--
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
5:43 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 13:18:38 -0400
Gene Heskett <gheskett(a)shentel.net> wrote:
The us.debian.net mirror is down apparently. Use a different one. I have a
wheezy machine and just ran a apt-get update without problem.
No, wheezy is still in the main repos, it have not yet moved to archive.
--
Nick Koretsky (nick.koretsky(a)gmail.com)
On Tue, 21 Aug
2018 10:10:56 -0400
Gene Heskett <gheskett(a)shentel.net> wrote:
but no key files, something
aptitude doesn't tolerate, and synaptic
complains about at length.
or just plain gone. If synaptic will copy/paste:
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/Release.gpg
Something wicked happened resolving 'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No
address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/main/binary-i386/Pa…
Something wicked happened resolving 'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No
address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/contrib/binary-i386…
Something wicked happened resolving 'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No
address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/non-free/binary-i38…
Something wicked happened resolving 'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No
address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/contrib/i18n/Transl…
Something wicked happened resolving 'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No
address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/contrib/i18n/Transl…
Something wicked happened resolving 'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No
address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/main/i18n/Translati…
Something wicked happened resolving 'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No
address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/main/i18n/Translati…
Something wicked happened resolving 'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No
address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/non-free/i18n/Trans…
Something wicked happened resolving 'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No
address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/non-free/i18n/Trans…
Something wicked happened resolving 'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No
address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://mozilla.debian.net/dists/wheezy-backports/firefox-release/binary-i38…
404 Not Found [IP: 149.20.4.15 80]
Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones
used instead. From the plethora of errors I'm getting in a
synaptic refresh, the
wheezy repos seem to have been shut down. Support ended June 30
IIRC. Even backports is 404. The rest are address not found.
Hm? http://ftp.debian.org/ still have wheezy. The debian repos are
never gone, the older one just get moved to http://archive.debian.org
So I should edit the repos to be archive.debian.org? Is there just one,
no mirrors?
6:47 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 13:43:18 Nick Koretsky wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 13:18:38 -0400
Gene Heskett <gheskett(a)shentel.net> wrote:
The us.debian.net mirror is down apparently. Use a different one. I
have a wheezy machine and just ran a apt-get update without problem.
No, wheezy is still in the main repos, it have not yet moved to
archive.
I took the ".us" out of the hostnames, now my fail list is 2x longer, no
hostname associated failures. If they still exist, I need the full
url's. please?
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On Tue,
21 Aug 2018 10:10:56 -0400
Gene Heskett <gheskett(a)shentel.net> wrote:
but no key files, something aptitude doesn't tolerate, and synaptic
complains about at length.
or just plain gone. If synaptic will copy/paste:
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/Release.gpg
Something wicked happened resolving 'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 -
No address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/main/binary-
i386/Packages Something wicked happened resolving
'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/contrib/bina
ry-i386/Packages Something wicked happened resolving
'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/non-free/bin
ary-i386/Packages Something wicked happened resolving
'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/contrib/i18n
/Translation-en_US Something wicked happened resolving
'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/contrib/i18n
/Translation-en Something wicked happened resolving
'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/main/i18n/Tr
anslation-en_US Something wicked happened resolving
'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/main/i18n/Tr
anslation-en Something wicked happened resolving
'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/non-free/i18
n/Translation-en_US Something wicked happened resolving
'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/non-free/i18
n/Translation-en Something wicked happened resolving
'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://mozilla.debian.net/dists/wheezy-backports/firefox-release/bin
ary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 149.20.4.15 80]
Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old
ones used instead. From the plethora of errors I'm getting in a
synaptic refresh,
the wheezy repos seem to have been shut down. Support ended June
30 IIRC. Even backports is 404. The rest are address not found.
Hm? http://ftp.debian.org/ still have wheezy. The
debian repos are
never gone, the older one just get moved to
http://archive.debian.org
So I should edit the repos to be archive.debian.org? Is there just
one, no mirrors? 
7:10 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On 08/21/2018 11:47 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
I took the ".us" out of the hostnames, now
my fail list is 2x longer, no
hostname associated failures. If they still exist, I need the full
url's. please?
Try: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/
This page should have whatever else you need to know (although it says
Wheezy has already been moved to the archive, when in fact it hasn't):
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy
7:25 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On 08/21/2018 12:10 PM, Dan Youngquist wrote:
Actually I guess that would be:
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/
Then you have wheezy, wheezy-updates, and wheezy-backports.
7:42 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 15:10:00 Dan Youngquist wrote:
On 08/21/2018 11:47 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
Thanks Dan, it works, but nothing here I don't already have.
I took the ".us" out of the hostnames,
now my fail list is 2x
longer, no hostname associated failures. If they still exist, I need
the full url's. please?
Try: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/
This page should have whatever else you need to know
(although it says
Wheezy has already been moved to the archive, when in fact it hasn't):
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy
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New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 15:42:09 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 15:10:00 Dan Youngquist
wrote:
Now, I just did 2 more installs, turning off my speakers first, neither
of which installed a byte of grub to the /boot partition. So I rebooted
a third time to the live image, and found no trace of a grub in any dir
of the live image boot. So there is no chance of fixing the installers
hiccups. I think this last time I had it save the logs to the boot
partition on this drive, but I'll be damned if I can find them.
I did find a way around formatting the disk, but the first time it
mentioned installing grub it wanted to put it in the MBR of /dev/sda1,
which I refused as I'll goto the bios boot menu to boot from the chosen
disk. So far I have managed to keep it from screwing up the boot from
sda.
WTF? I am running out of patience, and didn't have a whole lot to start
with. And at 83, I don't have enough hair to keep from sunburning my
head if I'm out for half an hour.
Next, i'll do a full shutdown and exchange the drives, putting the new
one in the sda position, and this one in the sdb position (I have a 3
drive quick change cage from tiger direct in this box) and see if it
will boot this system from what will become /dev/sdb.
So here goes nothing...
On 08/21/2018 11:47 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
Thanks Dan, it works, but nothing here I don't already have.
> This page should have whatever else you need to know (although it
> says Wheezy has already been moved to the archive, when in fact it
> hasn't): https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy
> I took the ".us" out of the hostnames,
now my fail list is 2x
longer, no hostname associated failures. If they still exist, I
need the full url's. please?
Try: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/ >
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10:42 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Tue August 21 2018 14:43:38 Gene Heskett wrote:
Now, I just did 2 more installs, turning off my
speakers first, neither
of which installed a byte of grub to the /boot partition. So I rebooted
a third time to the live image, and found no trace of a grub in any dir
of the live image boot. So there is no chance of fixing the installers
hiccups. I think this last time I had it save the logs to the boot
partition on this drive, but I'll be damned if I can find them.
I did find a way around formatting the disk, but the first time it
mentioned installing grub it wanted to put it in the MBR of /dev/sda1,
which I refused as I'll goto the bios boot menu to boot from the chosen
disk. So far I have managed to keep it from screwing up the boot from
sda.
Hi Gene,
Is there some Trinity bug being reported here that I am overlooking?
Or would this thread be better directed to a Debian or Devuan mailing
list related to whichever installer you are experiencing problems with,
and where the list members might be more able to offer relevant advice
and solutions?
--Mike
22 Aug
22 Aug
12:34 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
Mike Bird composed on 2018-08-21 15:42 (UTC-0700):
Is there some Trinity bug being reported here that I
am overlooking?
No Trinity bug. Octogenarian foibles coupled with cryptic debian-installer.
Or would this thread be better directed to a Debian or
Devuan mailing
list related to whichever installer you are experiencing problems with,
and where the list members might be more able to offer relevant advice
and solutions?
If you were a debian-user(a)lists.debian.org subscriber you might know he did
that, but got little other than complaints about Gene's verbosity and failing to
follow directions, or unhelpful "attempts" to help. It didn't help that his
subject line says nothing about his problem(s) on a list where most would-be
helpers are very picky people who apparently trash such posts without even
skimming their content.
Not that this thread's $SUBJECT is likely to be much of a draw, but at least
here people aren't so selective about getting involved.
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12:49 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 20:34:14 Felix Miata wrote:
Mike Bird composed on 2018-08-21 15:42 (UTC-0700):
Thanks Felix.
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Is there some Trinity bug being reported here
that I am overlooking?
No Trinity bug. Octogenarian foibles coupled with cryptic
debian-installer.
Or would this thread be better directed to a
Debian or Devuan
mailing list related to whichever installer you are experiencing
problems with, and where the list members might be more able to
offer relevant advice and solutions?
If you were a debian-user(a)lists.debian.org subscriber you might know
he did that, but got little other than complaints about Gene's
verbosity and failing to follow directions, or unhelpful "attempts" to
help. It didn't help that his subject line says nothing about his
problem(s) on a list where most would-be helpers are very picky people
who apparently trash such posts without even skimming their content.
Not that this thread's $SUBJECT is likely to be much of a draw, but at
least here people aren't so selective about getting involved.
12:48 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 18:42:26 Mike Bird wrote:
On Tue August 21 2018 14:43:38 Gene Heskett wrote:
Maybe Mike, but I've gotten way more help here than on the emc or
debian-user lists.
Now, you might want a trinity bug report just to keep this a wee bit
closer to the list topic:
The only problem I have with trinity is I can't install it anywhere
because the keyserver will not give me a key from the key retrieval
command line shown in the "Debian Trinity Repository Installation
Instructions", printed out from the wiki page of that title, its
refusing my connection but I can ping keyserver.quickbuild.io just fine.
Once I have that, and this next install actually installs a grub2 booter,
I ought to be off to the races. The rest of it should be just a-h and
elbows efforts until I have stretch running as smooth as wheezy is right
now. As I've probably forgotten 50% of what I did, I know some of it
will probably have to be re-invented, but I'll at least see the light at
the end of the tunnel.
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soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Now, I just did 2 more installs, turning off my
speakers first,
neither of which installed a byte of grub to the /boot partition.
So I rebooted a third time to the live image, and found no trace of
a grub in any dir of the live image boot. So there is no chance of
fixing the installers hiccups. I think this last time I had it save
the logs to the boot partition on this drive, but I'll be damned if
I can find them.
I did find a way around formatting the disk, but the first time it
mentioned installing grub it wanted to put it in the MBR of
/dev/sda1, which I refused as I'll goto the bios boot menu to boot
from the chosen disk. So far I have managed to keep it from
screwing up the boot from sda.
Hi Gene,
Is there some Trinity bug being reported here that I am overlooking?
Or would this thread be better directed to a Debian or Devuan mailing
list related to whichever installer you are experiencing problems
with, and where the list members might be more able to offer relevant
advice and solutions?
--Mike
1:01 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Tue August 21 2018 17:48:42 Gene Heskett wrote:
The only problem I have with trinity is I can't
install it anywhere
because the keyserver will not give me a key from the key retrieval
command line shown in the "Debian Trinity Repository Installation
Instructions", printed out from the wiki page of that title, its
refusing my connection but I can ping keyserver.quickbuild.io just fine.
apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.quickbuild.io --recv-keys F5CFC95C
... works for me. What error do you get? Do you have dirmngr
installed?
--Mike
2:38 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 21:01:23 Mike Bird wrote:
On Tue August 21 2018 17:48:42 Gene Heskett wrote:
Yes. The server is refusing my connections. Is this what I might get if
ssh/sshd isn't running? I have to admit I haven't checked.
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soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
The only problem I have with trinity is I
can't install it anywhere
because the keyserver will not give me a key from the key retrieval
command line shown in the "Debian Trinity Repository Installation
Instructions", printed out from the wiki page of that title, its
refusing my connection but I can ping keyserver.quickbuild.io just
fine.
apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.quickbuild.io --recv-keys F5CFC95C
... works for me. What error do you get? Do you have dirmngr
installed?
--Mike
4:31 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Tue August 21 2018 19:38:37 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 21:01:23 Mike Bird wrote:
What error do you get, Gene?
Do you have a firewall which might be blocking TCP traffic on port 11371?
What exactly happens if you "telnet keyserver.quickbuild.io 11371" and
then hit return a few times?
--Mike
On Tue August 21 2018 17:48:42 Gene Heskett
wrote:
Yes. The server is refusing my connections. Is this what I might get if
ssh/sshd isn't running? I have to admit I haven't checked. The only problem I have with trinity is I
can't install it anywhere
because the keyserver will not give me a key from the key retrieval
command line shown in the "Debian Trinity Repository Installation
Instructions", printed out from the wiki page of that title, its
refusing my connection but I can ping keyserver.quickbuild.io just
fine.
apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.quickbuild.io --recv-keys F5CFC95C
... works for me. What error do you get? Do you have dirmngr
installed?
--Mike
12:07 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Wednesday 22 August 2018 00:31:13 Mike Bird wrote:
On Tue August 21 2018 19:38:37 Gene Heskett wrote:
As I've repeated several time Mike, connection refused. Thats it. All of
it.
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 21:01:23 Mike Bird
wrote:
What error do you get, Gene? On Tue August 21 2018 17:48:42 Gene Heskett
wrote:
Yes. The server is refusing my connections. Is this what I might
get if ssh/sshd isn't running? I have to admit I haven't checked. The only problem I have with trinity is I
can't install it
anywhere because the keyserver will not give me a key from the
key retrieval command line shown in the "Debian Trinity
Repository Installation Instructions", printed out from the wiki
page of that title, its refusing my connection but I can ping
keyserver.quickbuild.io just fine.
apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.quickbuild.io --recv-keys
F5CFC95C
... works for me. What error do you get? Do you have dirmngr
installed?
--Mike Do you have a firewall which might be blocking TCP
traffic on port
11371?
What exactly happens if you "telnet keyserver.quickbuild.io 11371" and
then hit return a few times?
gene@coyote:/$ telnet keyserver.quickbuild.io 11371
Trying 192.119.205.242...
Connected to keyserver.quickbuild.io.
Escape character is '^]'.
HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request
Connection closed by foreign host. After 2 returns.
--Mike
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12:46 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
Dne st 22. srpna 2018 Gene Heskett napsal(a):
On Wednesday 22 August 2018 00:31:13 Mike Bird wrote:
Instead of getting a key from the server, you can manually download and
install the deb package. You choose the appropriate file with the name
*_all.deb:
http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/debian/pool/ma…
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On Tue August 21 2018 19:38:37 Gene Heskett
wrote:
As I've repeated several time Mike, connection refused. Thats it. All
of it.
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 21:01:23 Mike Bird
wrote:
What error do you get, Gene? On Tue August 21 2018 17:48:42 Gene Heskett
wrote:
> The only problem I have with trinity is I can't install it
> anywhere because the keyserver will not give me a key from the
> key retrieval command line shown in the "Debian Trinity
> Repository Installation Instructions", printed out from the
> wiki page of that title, its refusing my connection but I can
> ping keyserver.quickbuild.io just fine.
apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.quickbuild.io --recv-keys
F5CFC95C
... works for me. What error do you get? Do you have dirmngr
installed?
--Mike
Yes. The server is refusing my connections. Is this what I might
get if ssh/sshd isn't running? I have to admit I haven't checked. Do you have a firewall which might be blocking
TCP traffic on port
11371?
What exactly happens if you "telnet keyserver.quickbuild.io 11371"
and then hit return a few times?
gene@coyote:/$ telnet keyserver.quickbuild.io 11371
Trying 192.119.205.242...
Connected to keyserver.quickbuild.io.
Escape character is '^]'.
HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request
Connection closed by foreign host. After 2 returns.
> --Mike
>
2:31 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Wed August 22 2018 05:07:00 Gene Heskett wrote:
gene@coyote:/$ telnet keyserver.quickbuild.io 11371
Trying 192.119.205.242...
Connected to keyserver.quickbuild.io.
Escape character is '^]'.
HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request
Connection closed by foreign host. After 2 returns.
Hi Gene,
That's the keyserver accepting your connection. So let's get the
key you need. This may wrap but it needs to be typed all on one line:
wget -O
keyfile
'http://keyserver.quickbuild.io:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xF5CFC95C'
Does that work? You should have now have the key you want in
"keyfile" (wrapped in a little HTML which you can easily remove).
--Mike
2:59 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Wednesday 22 August 2018 10:31:32 Mike Bird wrote:
On Wed August 22 2018 05:07:00 Gene Heskett wrote:
The 64$ question, is why doesn't the normal command from the wiki page work?
gene@coyote:/$ telnet keyserver.quickbuild.io
11371
Trying 192.119.205.242...
Connected to keyserver.quickbuild.io.
Escape character is '^]'.
HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request
Connection closed by foreign host. After 2 returns.
Hi Gene,
That's the keyserver accepting your connection. So let's get the
key you need. This may wrap but it needs to be typed all on one line:
wget -O
keyfile
'http://keyserver.quickbuild.io:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xF5CFC
95C'
I'll print this so I can do it when the next install is done.
But it doesn't work from this wheezy install either. Just tried it,
got a rec from wget to read the man page.
turned off the word-wrap, here is the line I tried.
gene@coyote:/$ wget -O keyfile
'http://keyserver.quickbuild.io:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xF5CFC95C
Cannot specify both -k and -O if multiple URLs are given, or in combination
with -p or -r. See the manual for details.
Usage: wget [OPTION]... [URL]...
wget seems to be broken here. But it worked for something a week ago...
Does that work? You should have now have the key you
want in
"keyfile" (wrapped in a little HTML which you can easily remove).
--Mike
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3:43 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Wed August 22 2018 07:59:49 Gene Heskett wrote:
gene@coyote:/$ wget -O keyfile
'http://keyserver.quickbuild.io:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xF5CFC95C
Cannot specify both -k and -O if multiple URLs are given, or in combination
with -p or -r. See the manual for details.
Usage: wget [OPTION]... [URL]...
wget seems to be broken here. But it worked for something a week ago...
If you enter the command "alias" is there anything related to wget in the
resulting output? If so, what?
Also, are you using the right wget?
$ which wget
/usr/bin/wget
And if you have debsums:
$ debsums wget | grep bin
/usr/bin/wget (lots of spaces) OK
--Mike
23 Aug
23 Aug
11:21 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
Am Mittwoch 22 August 2018 schrieb Gene Heskett:
gene@coyote:/$ wget -O keyfile
'http://keyserver.quickbuild.io:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xF5CFC95C
Hi Gene,
looks like you forgot the ' at the end of your command...
HTH
Kind Regards,
Stefan
2:01 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Thursday 23 August 2018 07:21:47 Stefan Krusche wrote:
Am Mittwoch 22 August 2018 schrieb Gene Heskett:
That was probably a wet ram memory error, it was there. However, the
example in the wiki page has no quotes and it is also
"connection refused". This is the:
sudo apt-get adv --keyserver keyserver.quickbuild.io --recv-key F5CFC95C
line from the wiki page, is that page in error? If the above line is
correct, and the server does not need rebooting, what am I doing wrong?,
and if the above line is incorrect, please fix the wiki.
Thats been my whole point all along.
gene@coyote:/$ wget -O keyfile
'http://keyserver.quickbuild.io:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xF5C
FC95C
Hi Gene,
looks like you forgot the ' at the end of your command...
HTH
Kind Regards,
Stefan
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2:39 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On 08/23/2018 07:01 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
sudo apt-get adv --keyserver keyserver.quickbuild.io
--recv-key F5CFC95C
That should be apt-key, not apt-get. Is that typo only here, or did you
make it when you tried the command also?
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New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Thursday 23 August 2018 10:39:09 Dan Youngquist wrote:
On 08/23/2018 07:01 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
I am pretty sure it was apt-key, but I'll do another install and
dbl-check. Muscle memory, mumble mumble.
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sudo apt-get adv --keyserver
keyserver.quickbuild.io --recv-key
F5CFC95C
That should be apt-key, not apt-get. Is that typo only here, or did
you make it when you tried the command also?
2:12 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Thursday 23 August 2018 07:21:47 Stefan Krusche wrote:
Am Mittwoch 22 August 2018 schrieb Gene Heskett:
See my other reply Stefan, to which I'll add that I will not attempt
another stretch install since its at least an hours work, until I have
been assured that getting the trinity key does work, preferably as
advertised in the wiki.
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gene@coyote:/$ wget -O keyfile
'http://keyserver.quickbuild.io:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xF5C
FC95C
Hi Gene,
looks like you forgot the ' at the end of your command...
HTH
Kind Regards,
Stefan
7:59 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
Am Donnerstag 23 August 2018 schrieb Gene Heskett:
See my other reply Stefan, to which I'll add that
I will not attempt
another stretch install since its at least an hours work, until I have
been assured that getting the trinity key does work, preferably as
advertised in the wiki.
I'm sorry it didn't help. I was just a quick guess.
Kind regards,
Stefan
8:39 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Thursday 23 August 2018 15:59:49 Stefan Krusche wrote:
Am Donnerstag 23 August 2018 schrieb Gene Heskett:
Don't be sorry Stefan, at least you tried. And I thank you for trying.
See my other reply Stefan, to which I'll add
that I will not attempt
another stretch install since its at least an hours work, until I
have been assured that getting the trinity key does work, preferably
as advertised in the wiki.
I'm sorry it didn't help. I was just a quick guess.
Kind regards,
Stefan
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24 Aug
2:52 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Thursday 23 August 2018 16:39:49 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Thursday 23 August 2018 15:59:49 Stefan Krusche
wrote:
And after about 3 more installs, I got it to work, but in my calculations
for partition size, I forgot theres around 80 GB in /var, my web pages
etc, which was going to be in the / partition, so 40Gb was soon filled
up in copying it across. But lots of empty space left in home, so I
fired up gparted to shrink the top of home and make room for a new /opt
partition. But gparted refuses to do that resize/move. So it looks
like another whole new install tomorrow, except tomorrow will be after a
new quick change drive cage arrives
Damn this is getting old...
I finally hauled it out to the front deck within reach of an air hose and
gave it its annual D&C, plus replaced the A slot cable (it wasn't red
either) and put 3 layers of scotch tape on the back of the slot doors
spring to make sure the drive was firmly seated as there were times it
didn't register in the bios. Now that seems to be good, but I trolled
Newegg and found a 4 by 3 drive cage, which I needed a decade back when
I built this box from scratch. So thats on order, fedex=Monday here I'd
imagine. TDE installed just like it was supposed to.
So I'm going to leave it be till that bit of rebuilding is done.
Many many thanks to those that helped or tried to help, Its appreciated,
a lot.
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Am Donnerstag 23 August 2018 schrieb Gene
Heskett:
Don't be sorry Stefan, at least you tried. And I thank you for trying.
See my other reply Stefan, to which I'll add
that I will not
attempt another stretch install since its at least an hours work,
until I have been assured that getting the trinity key does work,
preferably as advertised in the wiki.
I'm sorry it didn't help. I was just a quick guess.
Kind regards,
Stefan
3:24 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Thu August 23 2018 19:52:22 Gene Heskett wrote:
And after about 3 more installs, I got it to work, but
in my calculations
for partition size, I forgot theres around 80 GB in /var, my web pages
etc, which was going to be in the / partition, so 40Gb was soon filled
up in copying it across. But lots of empty space left in home, so I
fired up gparted to shrink the top of home and make room for a new /opt
partition. But gparted refuses to do that resize/move. So it looks
like another whole new install tomorrow, except tomorrow will be after a
new quick change drive cage arrives
Some possibilities you could consider are (1) fewer partitions and (2) LVM.
--Mike
12:04 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Thursday 23 August 2018 23:24:37 Mike Bird wrote:
On Thu August 23 2018 19:52:22 Gene Heskett wrote:
LVM was beta at best the last time I tried it back in the fog of time
when I had a little color left in my beard, and wound up losing the
system. Is it trustable today?
Otherwise I'll probably just set it up as 2Gb for /boot, 500 Gb for /home
(thats 4x the 127G its using now and the rest as /, which has actually
worked pretty good for wheezy. Even that may be too complex, so /boot,
16G of /swap and the rest as / would also work. I had thought
saveing /home separately might be a good idea and will likely do that
now that I've surveyed the system with du -h. I'm about to take a 1T
out, and put a 2T in for amanda at the same time, which would put a 1T
available for /opt or even /home, but that drive has 75,000 spinning
hours on it now. Its apparently found an immortality pill, it had 25
re-allocated sectors before I updated its firmware at about 1000 hours,
still does! As vtapes for amanda, its stayed around 85% used for years,
with 25 to 60 GB rewritten every night. Its also backing up my cnc
machines too, 5 total.
Thinking out loud...
And after about 3 more installs, I got it to
work, but in my
calculations for partition size, I forgot theres around 80 GB in
/var, my web pages etc, which was going to be in the / partition, so
40Gb was soon filled up in copying it across. But lots of empty
space left in home, so I fired up gparted to shrink the top of home
and make room for a new /opt partition. But gparted refuses to do
that resize/move. So it looks like another whole new install
tomorrow, except tomorrow will be after a new quick change drive
cage arrives
Some possibilities you could consider are (1) fewer partitions and (2)
LVM.
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12:13 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
LVM is better but it still makes recovery a huge pain vs using regular
partitions. It's doable now but read up on it before you need it.
Nowadays with larger drives very few people create multiple partitions
unless you know you need them for a specific purpose. Create a small boot
partition and dump everything else in root.
On Fri, Aug 24, 2018, 8:10 AM Gene Heskett <gheskett(a)shentel.net> wrote:
On Thursday 23 August 2018 23:24:37 Mike Bird wrote:
On Thu August 23 2018 19:52:22 Gene Heskett
wrote:
LVM was beta at best the last time I tried it back in the fog of time
when I had a little color left in my beard, and wound up losing the
system. Is it trustable today?
Otherwise I'll probably just set it up as 2Gb for /boot, 500 Gb for /home
(thats 4x the 127G its using now and the rest as /, which has actually
worked pretty good for wheezy. Even that may be too complex, so /boot,
16G of /swap and the rest as / would also work. I had thought
saveing /home separately might be a good idea and will likely do that
now that I've surveyed the system with du -h. I'm about to take a 1T
out, and put a 2T in for amanda at the same time, which would put a 1T
available for /opt or even /home, but that drive has 75,000 spinning
hours on it now. Its apparently found an immortality pill, it had 25
re-allocated sectors before I updated its firmware at about 1000 hours,
still does! As vtapes for amanda, its stayed around 85% used for years,
with 25 to 60 GB rewritten every night. Its also backing up my cnc
machines too, 5 total.
Thinking out loud...
And after about 3 more installs, I got it to
work, but in my
calculations for partition size, I forgot theres around 80 GB in
/var, my web pages etc, which was going to be in the / partition, so
40Gb was soon filled up in copying it across. But lots of empty
space left in home, so I fired up gparted to shrink the top of home
and make room for a new /opt partition. But gparted refuses to do
that resize/move. So it looks like another whole new install
tomorrow, except tomorrow will be after a new quick change drive
cage arrives
Some possibilities you could consider are (1) fewer partitions and (2)
LVM.
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New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Friday 24 August 2018 08:13:14 John Pisini wrote:
LVM is better but it still makes recovery a huge pain
vs using regular
partitions. It's doable now but read up on it before you need it.
Nowadays with larger drives very few people create multiple partitions
unless you know you need them for a specific purpose. Create a small
boot partition and dump everything else in root.
On Fri, Aug 24, 2018, 8:10 AM Gene Heskett <gheskett(a)shentel.net>
wrote:
> On Thursday 23 August 2018 23:24:37 Mike Bird
wrote:
> > On Thu August 23 2018 19:52:22 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > And after about 3 more installs, I got it to work, but in my
> > > calculations for partition size, I forgot theres around 80 GB in
> > > /var, my web pages etc, which was going to be in the /
> > > partition, so 40Gb was soon filled up in copying it across. But
> > > lots of empty space left in home, so I fired up gparted to
> > > shrink the top of home and make room for a new /opt partition.
> > > But gparted refuses to do that resize/move. So it looks like
> > > another whole new install tomorrow, except tomorrow will be
> > > after a new quick change drive cage arrives
> >
> > Some possibilities you could consider are (1) fewer partitions and
> > (2) LVM.
>
> LVM was beta at best the last time I tried it back in the fog of
> time when I had a little color left in my beard, and wound up losing
> the system. Is it trustable today?
The consensus is that LVM still isn't quite ready for prime time, and
with big drives, no longer needed.
[...]
> I'm
> about to take a 1T out, and put a 2T in for amanda at the same time,
> which would put a 1T available for /opt or even /home, but that
> drive has 75,000 spinning hours on it now. Its apparently found an
> immortality pill, it had 25 re-allocated sectors before I updated
> its firmware at about 1000 hours, still does! As vtapes for amanda,
> its stayed around 85% used for years, with 25 to 60 GB rewritten
> every night. Its also backing up my cnc machines too, 5 total.
>
> Thinking out loud...
Thats done but with 2x the drive space now for amanda's vtapes, I have
doubled the number of vtapes, and reconfigured it for that, and a
starter session is running to shake it down & see if any bugs fall out.
This is of course via the wrapper scripts I wrote years ago because the
normal usage's recovery loses a days work. When my version is done, I
can do a bare metal recovery to the state the system is in when the dump
of that disklist entry was done, so a much smaller window for data loss
doing it my way. The config that made that backup run, and the indices
of everything than run did, is now appended to the vtape its making,
after its been made. So the recovery, if I need to do it yet today, will
be effectively a state about an hour into the future a/o right now. I
takes at least and hour to run, but if gzip is heavily used, will be
even longer, 3 hours & change a few times. Amanda schedules differently
from other backup proggies, fiddling with its schedule to try and make
each run consume about the same amount of tape on each run, but
remaining within the limits of how long it can go between level 0's.
Since this will be effectively the first run, I doubt it will be able to
do a level-0 on the number of 35GB vtapes I gave it as the maximum it
can use per run. The email I get will be "interesting". But amanda is a
smart girl, so a week later, she'll be doing alright.
Those scripts are available on my web pages if anyone else wants to play
with them.
The other 2T drive has been reconfigured for the next stretch install,
but I'll not try another install until amanda is done, middle of the
afternoon earliest estimate.
Thanks John.
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5:23 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Fri August 24 2018 09:09:14 Gene Heskett wrote:
The consensus is that LVM still isn't quite ready
for prime time, and
with big drives, no longer needed.
That is an opinion and also the consensus as of 15-20 years ago.
It is not the current consensus.
We have used LVM since 2004 or before. It would take too long
for me to determine the exact start date and the total number
of systems upon which we have deployed LVM. I can however quote
you from memory the number of problems we have experienced: zero.
For simple systems it is generally easiest to use only a boot and
an "everything else" partition with neither LVM nor complex
partitioning.
For more complex systems LVM is a valuable and robust tool and
much more flexible than partitioning. Within a single complex
system we may use multiple volume groups with different PE sizes,
different RAID levels, different block/inode ratios, different
reserved block percentages, different mount attributes (e.g.
noexec), and different user quotas. We currently use ext3
exclusively but others may also use different filesystem types
in different logical volumes as appropriate.
FWIW we have many times found LVM helpful when migrating from
failing hard drives to new drives - just add the new physical
volumes, remove the old physical volumes, and everything is
migrated by magic.
--Mike
11:13 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Friday 24 of August 2018 19:23:09 Mike Bird wrote:
On Fri August 24 2018 09:09:14 Gene Heskett wrote:
Yes, just under that I would sign!
For me too, LVM is an indispensable tool. In addition to managing
filesystems, in my case, LVM is also an indispensable tool for virtual
machine drives (of course I use Debian with Linux KVM as hypervisor).
In the years when I use it, I remember only one problem.
But that's a long past.
Cheers
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The consensus is that LVM still isn't quite
ready for prime time, and
with big drives, no longer needed.
That is an opinion and also the consensus as of 15-20 years ago.
It is not the current consensus.
We have used LVM since 2004 or before. It would take too long
for me to determine the exact start date and the total number
of systems upon which we have deployed LVM. I can however quote
you from memory the number of problems we have experienced: zero.
For simple systems it is generally easiest to use only a boot and
an "everything else" partition with neither LVM nor complex
partitioning.
For more complex systems LVM is a valuable and robust tool and
much more flexible than partitioning. Within a single complex
system we may use multiple volume groups with different PE sizes,
different RAID levels, different block/inode ratios, different
reserved block percentages, different mount attributes (e.g.
noexec), and different user quotas. We currently use ext3
exclusively but others may also use different filesystem types
in different logical volumes as appropriate.
FWIW we have many times found LVM helpful when migrating from
failing hard drives to new drives - just add the new physical
volumes, remove the old physical volumes, and everything is
migrated by magic.
--Mike
23 Aug
23 Aug
2:42 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Thursday 23 August 2018 07:21:47 Stefan Krusche wrote:
wget -O keyfile
'http://keyserver.quickbuild.io:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xF5CFC
95C
The above, with the added quote, executed here of this wheezy install;
gene@coyote:/$ wget -O
keyfile
'http://keyserver.quickbuild.io:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xF5CFC95C'
Cannot specify both -k and -O if multiple URLs are given, or in
combination
with -p or -r. See the manual for details.
Usage: wget [OPTION]... [URL]...
And of course not even the empty keyfile is generated.
alias returns:
alias gen-password='head -c 21 /dev/urandom | base64 | head -c 26 &&
echo'
alias linuxcnc='xrdb -all -query|sed -e '\''s#[A-Z_]*BACKGROUND#
gray90#'\'' -e '\''s#[A-Z_]*FOREGROUND#
Black#'\'' -e '\''s#[A-Z_]*HIGHLIGHT#
White#'\'' -e '\''s#[A-Z_]*LOWLIGHT# Black#'\''|xrdb
-merge; linuxcnc'
alias ls='ls --color=auto'
alias nano='nano --smooth '
Now, just for S&G I ssh'd into an intel box on my locate network, AND IT
WORKED!!!!!!
Nothing there that should effect wget that I can see. And the re-install
of wget isn't enabled by synaptic. I just ran that line on one of my
milling machines, and now have a keyfile, it worked so the wget on this
machine is fubar. So once I've done another install, I will see if I
can get it copied back and installed here. However, I should point out
that this is a 3rd copy of wget thats fubar since its the stretch
version of apt-key that fails with the 'connection refused' error.
And its not wget, the sha1sums are the same on both machines. one works,
the other doesn't. But both are wheezy
Is it 17:00 yet?
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2:56 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On 08/23/2018 07:42 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
gene@coyote:/$ wget -O
keyfile
'http://keyserver.quickbuild.io:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xF5CFC95C'
Cannot specify both -k and -O if multiple URLs are given, or in
combination
with -p or -r. See the manual for details.
I think the word 'keyfile' shouldn't be there. As far as I know it's not
a
valid wget command, so wget is interpreting it as the option -k
(--convert-links).
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5:52 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Thu August 23 2018 07:56:45 Dan Youngquist wrote:
On 08/23/2018 07:42 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
"-O keyfile" tells wget to put the key (plus some HTML) into the
file "keyfile".
--Mike
gene@coyote:/$ wget -O
keyfile
'http://keyserver.quickbuild.io:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xF5CFC95C
' Cannot specify both -k and -O if multiple URLs are given, or in
combination
with -p or -r. See the manual for details.
I think the word 'keyfile' shouldn't be there. As far as I know it's not
a
valid wget command, so wget is interpreting it as the option -k
(--convert-links).
6:34 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Thursday 23 August 2018 10:56:45 Dan Youngquist wrote:
On 08/23/2018 07:42 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
re-read the manpage.
"-O keyfile"
is the filename to store the collected key into. I wondered about that
myself so I looked it up. :)
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gene@coyote:/$ wget -O
keyfile
'http://keyserver.quickbuild.io:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xF5C
FC95C' Cannot specify both -k and -O if multiple URLs are given, or
in combination
with -p or -r. See the manual for details.
I think the word 'keyfile' shouldn't be there. As far as I know it's
not a valid wget command, so wget is interpreting it as the option -k
(--convert-links).
21 Aug
21 Aug
7:13 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
Gene Heskett composed on 2018-08-21 14:47 (UTC-0400):
> No, wheezy is still in the main repos, it have not
yet moved to
> archive.
I took the ".us" out of the hostnames, now
my fail list is 2x longer, no
hostname associated failures. If they still exist, I need the full
url's. please?
Right out of sources.list:
http://ftp.us.debian.org/
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/
URLs copied from Firefox and pasted.
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7:44 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 15:13:52 Felix Miata wrote:
Gene Heskett composed on 2018-08-21 14:47 (UTC-0400):
Right out of sources.list:
http://ftp.us.debian.org/
extend it with "dists/wheezy" and it works, but nothing there I don't
already have.
Thanks Felix.
No,
wheezy is still in the main repos, it have not yet moved to
archive.
I took the ".us" out of the hostnames, now my fail list is 2x
longer, no hostname associated failures. If they still exist, I need
the full url's. please? http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/
URLs copied from Firefox and pasted.
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7:20 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 14:47:35 -0400
Gene Heskett <gheskett(a)shentel.net> wrote:
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 13:43:18 Nick Koretsky
wrote:
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy-updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy-updates main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main contrib non-free
--
Nick Koretsky (nick.koretsky(a)gmail.com)
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 13:18:38 -0400
Gene Heskett <gheskett(a)shentel.net> wrote:
The us.debian.net mirror is down apparently. Use a different one. I
have a wheezy machine and just ran a apt-get update without problem.
No, wheezy is still in the main repos, it have not yet moved to
archive.
I took the ".us" out of the hostnames, now my fail list is 2x longer, no
hostname associated failures. If they still exist, I need the full
url's. please?
On Tue,
21 Aug 2018 10:10:56 -0400
Gene Heskett <gheskett(a)shentel.net> wrote:
> From the plethora of errors I'm getting in a synaptic refresh,
> the wheezy repos seem to have been shut down. Support ended June
> 30 IIRC. Even backports is 404. The rest are address not found.
Hm? http://ftp.debian.org/ still have wheezy.
but no key files, something aptitude doesn't tolerate, and synaptic
complains about at length.
or just plain gone. If synaptic will copy/paste:
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/Release.gpg
Something wicked happened resolving 'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 -
No address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/main/binary-
i386/Packages Something wicked happened resolving
'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/contrib/bina
ry-i386/Packages Something wicked happened resolving
'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/non-free/bin
ary-i386/Packages Something wicked happened resolving
'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/contrib/i18n
/Translation-en_US Something wicked happened resolving
'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/contrib/i18n
/Translation-en Something wicked happened resolving
'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/main/i18n/Tr
anslation-en_US Something wicked happened resolving
'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/main/i18n/Tr
anslation-en Something wicked happened resolving
'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/non-free/i18
n/Translation-en_US Something wicked happened resolving
'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/non-free/i18
n/Translation-en Something wicked happened resolving
'http.us.debian.net:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)
Failed to fetch
http://mozilla.debian.net/dists/wheezy-backports/firefox-release/bin
ary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 149.20.4.15 80]
Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old
ones used instead. The
debian repos are
never gone, the older one just get moved to
http://archive.debian.org
So I should edit the repos to be archive.debian.org? Is there just
one, no mirrors? 
22 Aug
22 Aug
3:43 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On 08/21/2018 11:47 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 13:43:18 Nick Koretsky
wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 13:18:38 -0400
>
> Gene Heskett <gheskett(a)shentel.net> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 10:10:56 -0400
>>>
>>> Gene Heskett <gheskett(a)shentel.net> wrote:
>>>> From the plethora of errors I'm getting in a synaptic refresh,
>>>> the wheezy repos seem to have been shut down. Support ended June
>>>> 30 IIRC. Even backports is 404. The rest are address not found.
>>>
>>> Hm? http://ftp.debian.org/ still have wheezy.
I got recent updates and a new kernel using these sources...
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main contrib non-free
--
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Slackware64 14.2 - Just Say No! To SystemD, Plasma5 & Drugs!
KDE 4.14.32 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9
Registered Linux User #380263
6:59 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Wednesday 22 of August 2018 05:43:39 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
On 08/21/2018 11:47 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
I recommend using Debian redirector instead of a particular server - in
the rows above, replace ftp.us.debian.org with deb.debian.org
Cheers
--
Slávek
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 13:43:18 Nick Koretsky
wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 13:18:38 -0400
>
> Gene Heskett <gheskett(a)shentel.net> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 10:10:56 -0400
>>>
>>> Gene Heskett <gheskett(a)shentel.net> wrote:
>>>> From the plethora of errors I'm getting in a synaptic refresh,
>>>> the wheezy repos seem to have been shut down. Support ended June
>>>> 30 IIRC. Even backports is 404. The rest are address not found.
>>>
>>> Hm? http://ftp.debian.org/ still have wheezy.
I got recent updates and a new kernel using these sources...
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib
non-free deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main
contrib non-free
12:24 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Wednesday 22 August 2018 02:59:30 Slávek Banko wrote:
On Wednesday 22 of August 2018 05:43:39 Jimmy Johnson
wrote:
Failed to fetch
http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/dists/wheezy/main/binary-i386/Packages
404 Not Found
Failed to fetch
http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/dists/wheezy/contrib/binary-i386/Packages
404 Not Found
Failed to fetch
http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/dists/wheezy/non-free/binary-i386/Packag…
404 Not Found
Failed to fetch
http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/dists/wheezy-updates/main/binary-i386/Pa…
404 Not Found
Failed to fetch
http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/dists/wheezy-updates/contrib/binary-i386…
404 Not Found
Failed to fetch
http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/dists/wheezy-updates/non-free/binary-i38…
404 Not Found
Got rid of the extra "/dists/ that someone said I needed, and it all
works except anything not installed is now "new in repository". A sea
of blue I haven't seen before.
--
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
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soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
On 08/21/2018 11:47 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
I recommend using Debian redirector instead of a particular server -
in the rows above, replace ftp.us.debian.org with deb.debian.org
Cheers On Tuesday 21 August 2018 13:43:18 Nick Koretsky
wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 13:18:38 -0400
>
> Gene Heskett <gheskett(a)shentel.net> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 10:10:56 -0400
>>>
>>> Gene Heskett <gheskett(a)shentel.net> wrote:
>>>> From the plethora of errors I'm getting in a synaptic
>>>> refresh, the wheezy repos seem to have been shut down. Support
>>>> ended June 30 IIRC. Even backports is 404. The rest are
>>>> address not found.
>>>
>>> Hm? http://ftp.debian.org/ still have wheezy.
I got recent updates and a new kernel using these sources...
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib
non-free deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main
contrib non-free
21 Aug
21 Aug
8:55 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
Am Dienstag, 21. August 2018 schrieb Slávek Banko:
Dne út 21. srpna 2018 Nick Koretsky napsal(a):
Maybe I missed the point somewhere, but I was under the impression that Gene wants to run
linuxcnc on a production machine, and that needs a realtime kernel. To be more prcise,
linuxcnc 2.7 needs a rtai patched kernel if you want decent latentcy, not the rtpreempt
kernels from debian. I have now two mills running on devuan ascii, both with the old
kernels from linuxcnc-wheezy 'cause of latency.
Nik
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 09:08:55 -0400
Gene Heskett <gheskett(a)shentel.net> wrote:
I recommend upgrading to wheezy-backports kernel.
Cheers On Tuesday 21 August 2018 08:21:12 Nick Koretsky
wrote:
If you need a shared partition between wheezy and stretch create it in
wheezy. On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 12:55:28 +0200
"Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office(a)klepp.biz> wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 21. August 2018 schrieb Nick Koretsky:
> > On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 09:20:43 +0200
> >
> > "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office(a)klepp.biz> wrote:
> > > > Its tears so far Nik. There are so many differences just in
> > > > the ext4's used that one of them should be renamed, they
> > > > will NOT cross mount, ext4 disk to ext4 mount.
> > >
> > > Hi Gene!
> > >
> > > When you cannot mount the ext4 partions from one another,
> > > then there is something very wrong. ext4 can be mounted as
> > > ext2 and that should alway work - at least, if the drives and
> > > filesystems are ok.
> >
> > No, you are wrong. There were options added to ext4 which made
> > it incompatible with older kernels. And a few years ago they
> > made this options default. Debian wheezy kernel (3.2) would not
> > mount ext4 created in debian stretch.
>
> Hi!
>
> Now that's a gotcha I did not know. How did it come that this was
> thought of beeing a good idea?
>
> Nik
Yep. Exactly my thought when i spent 3-hours with a server refusing
to boot after migration to a new hdd (i used a stretch flash to
copy). Who the fuck toughs it was a good idea?!! Why not call it
ext5 or ext4a or whatever?!!
+100
Now the question of the day is how the hell do we fix it?
9:54 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 16:55:31 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Dienstag, 21. August 2018 schrieb Slávek Banko:
Glad I have a rowing partner in this leaky rowboat, Nik.
--
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Dne út 21. srpna 2018 Nick Koretsky napsal(a):
Maybe I missed the point somewhere, but I was under the impression
that Gene wants to run linuxcnc on a production machine, and that
needs a realtime kernel. To be more prcise, linuxcnc 2.7 needs a rtai
patched kernel if you want decent latentcy, not the rtpreempt kernels
from debian. I have now two mills running on devuan ascii, both with
the old kernels from linuxcnc-wheezy 'cause of latency.
Nik On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 09:08:55 -0400
Gene Heskett <gheskett(a)shentel.net> wrote:
I recommend upgrading to wheezy-backports kernel.
Cheers On Tuesday 21 August 2018 08:21:12 Nick Koretsky
wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 12:55:28 +0200
>
> "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office(a)klepp.biz> wrote:
> > Am Dienstag, 21. August 2018 schrieb Nick Koretsky:
> > > On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 09:20:43 +0200
> > >
> > > "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office(a)klepp.biz> wrote:
> > > > > Its tears so far Nik. There are so many differences
> > > > > just in the ext4's used that one of them should be
> > > > > renamed, they will NOT cross mount, ext4 disk to ext4
> > > > > mount.
> > > >
> > > > Hi Gene!
> > > >
> > > > When you cannot mount the ext4 partions from one
> > > > another, then there is something very wrong. ext4 can be
> > > > mounted as ext2 and that should alway work - at least,
> > > > if the drives and filesystems are ok.
> > >
> > > No, you are wrong. There were options added to ext4 which
> > > made it incompatible with older kernels. And a few years
> > > ago they made this options default. Debian wheezy kernel
> > > (3.2) would not mount ext4 created in debian stretch.
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > Now that's a gotcha I did not know. How did it come that
> > this was thought of beeing a good idea?
> >
> > Nik
>
> Yep. Exactly my thought when i spent 3-hours with a server
> refusing to boot after migration to a new hdd (i used a
> stretch flash to copy). Who the fuck toughs it was a good
> idea?!! Why not call it ext5 or ext4a or whatever?!!
+100
Now the question of the day is how the hell do we fix it?
If you need a shared partition between wheezy and stretch create
it in wheezy.
10:04 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 16:55:31 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Dienstag, 21. August 2018 schrieb Slávek Banko:
My last 2 or 3 emails seem to have fallen off the edge of the planet.
Anyway I have now swapped the drives around and used the bios boot menu
to select a boot from what is now sdB, and its working. Next is to use
this copy of gparted to reformat /dev/sdA and then see if a successful
install can be done. I'd say buy me a beer but that might royally screw
things up, so wish me luck (good that is) ;-) This will be about the
6th full install today. But before I reboot to do that, I'd better fix
us some din-din. Maybe someone will have a better idea by then?
--
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Dne út 21. srpna 2018 Nick Koretsky napsal(a):
Maybe I missed the point somewhere, but I was under the impression
that Gene wants to run linuxcnc on a production machine, and that
needs a realtime kernel. To be more prcise, linuxcnc 2.7 needs a rtai
patched kernel if you want decent latentcy, not the rtpreempt kernels
from debian. I have now two mills running on devuan ascii, both with
the old kernels from linuxcnc-wheezy 'cause of latency.
Nik On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 09:08:55 -0400
Gene Heskett <gheskett(a)shentel.net> wrote:
I recommend upgrading to wheezy-backports kernel.
Cheers On Tuesday 21 August 2018 08:21:12 Nick Koretsky
wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 12:55:28 +0200
>
> "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office(a)klepp.biz> wrote:
> > Am Dienstag, 21. August 2018 schrieb Nick Koretsky:
> > > On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 09:20:43 +0200
> > >
> > > "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office(a)klepp.biz> wrote:
> > > > > Its tears so far Nik. There are so many differences
> > > > > just in the ext4's used that one of them should be
> > > > > renamed, they will NOT cross mount, ext4 disk to ext4
> > > > > mount.
> > > >
> > > > Hi Gene!
> > > >
> > > > When you cannot mount the ext4 partions from one
> > > > another, then there is something very wrong. ext4 can be
> > > > mounted as ext2 and that should alway work - at least,
> > > > if the drives and filesystems are ok.
> > >
> > > No, you are wrong. There were options added to ext4 which
> > > made it incompatible with older kernels. And a few years
> > > ago they made this options default. Debian wheezy kernel
> > > (3.2) would not mount ext4 created in debian stretch.
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > Now that's a gotcha I did not know. How did it come that
> > this was thought of beeing a good idea?
> >
> > Nik
>
> Yep. Exactly my thought when i spent 3-hours with a server
> refusing to boot after migration to a new hdd (i used a
> stretch flash to copy). Who the fuck toughs it was a good
> idea?!! Why not call it ext5 or ext4a or whatever?!!
+100
Now the question of the day is how the hell do we fix it?
If you need a shared partition between wheezy and stretch create
it in wheezy.
22 Aug
22 Aug
8:32 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
Am Mittwoch, 22. August 2018 schrieb Gene Heskett:
[...]
My last 2 or 3 emails seem to have fallen off the edge of the planet.
Anyway I have now swapped the drives around and used the bios boot menu
to select a boot from what is now sdB, and its working. Next is to use
this copy of gparted to reformat /dev/sdA and then see if a successful
install can be done. I'd say buy me a beer but that might royally screw
things up, so wish me luck (good that is) ;-) This will be about the
6th full install today. But before I reboot to do that, I'd better fix
us some din-din. Maybe someone will have a better idea by then?
Hi Gene!
My recipe to Devuan ascii + LinuxCNC is this (take the commandlines with a salt of grain,
I'm not the machine right now):
- Install linuxcnc from the linuxcnc ISO
- "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade"
- "apt-mark hold linux-image-3...."
- "apt-mark hold rtai-...."
- "apt-mark hold linuxcnc"
- add Devuan repsitory for jessie, upgrade to jessie.
- "aptitude purge $(dpkg -l|grep ^rc|tr : ' '|awk '{print $2}')
- change from jessie to ascii, upgrade to asci
- install "apt-show-versions"
- aptitude purge $(apt-show-versions|grep --invert-match uptodate|cut : ' '| awk
'{print $1}'
- when this is done, I intall TDE and purge all gnome stuff, and install NCAM
After this operation "axis" does not work, but "gmoccapy".
"ncam" works, "camview" does not, but "mplayer" does.
and get a bit more bottels of beer ..
Nik
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CIA ...
2:32 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Wednesday 22 August 2018 04:32:31 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 22. August 2018 schrieb Gene Heskett:
I'm stuck on axis, and all of the extra pyvcp/xml stuff I've done depends
on axis. I took ncam out of synaptic, didn't use it, I write my own
gcode 99% of the time anyway, and got tired of the updates being moved
about monthly. So you have to login to the forum, find Fern's messages
and edit the repo line before a new one can be had. And the last one
didn't want to install. I didn't investigate why in much depth. I think
Fern is running a newer distro now so dependencies on newer stuff kills
it.
And camview has never recovered from being asked to run on wheezy. It
will run, until the too small axis window is expanded but if its window
goes above the cameras native format size width, it goes away and the
only way to restore it is to reboot, a logout/back in is not sufficient.
But cheese still works. Go figure but I've now duplicated it with 3
different cameras. To me, since thats written in python2, its a python
bug. No clue if porting it to python-3.7 might help.
[...]
My last 2 or 3 emails seem to have fallen off the edge of the
planet. Anyway I have now swapped the drives around and used the
bios boot menu to select a boot from what is now sdB, and its
working. Next is to use this copy of gparted to reformat /dev/sdA
and then see if a successful install can be done. I'd say buy me a
beer but that might royally screw things up, so wish me luck (good
that is) ;-) This will be about the 6th full install today. But
before I reboot to do that, I'd better fix us some din-din. Maybe
someone will have a better idea by then?
Hi Gene!
My recipe to Devuan ascii + LinuxCNC is this (take the commandlines
with a salt of grain, I'm not the machine right now): - Install
linuxcnc from the linuxcnc ISO
- "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade"
- "apt-mark hold linux-image-3...."
- "apt-mark hold rtai-...."
- "apt-mark hold linuxcnc"
- add Devuan repsitory for jessie, upgrade to jessie.
- "aptitude purge $(dpkg -l|grep ^rc|tr : ' '|awk '{print $2}')
- change from jessie to ascii, upgrade to asci
- install "apt-show-versions"
- aptitude purge $(apt-show-versions|grep --invert-match uptodate|cut
: ' '| awk '{print $1}' - when this is done, I intall TDE and purge
all gnome stuff, and install NCAM After this operation "axis" does not
work, but "gmoccapy". "ncam" works, "camview" does not,
but "mplayer"
does. and get a bit more bottels of beer ..
Local stores are out of a beer a diabetic can drink, Miller64, or even
select55, but that stuffs been thru the horse too many times, no taste
left for me, and have been for about 2 weeks now. I think its the
distributer slacking off. And I'd have to drive 100 miles to get out of
his area. I usually drink one for dinner, ostensibly to wash down a gram
of metformin I take 2 a day of for my sugar.
Nik
Thanks Nik.
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--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
21 Aug
21 Aug
2:02 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On 08/21/2018 06:36 AM, Nick Koretsky wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 09:08:55 -0400 Gene Heskett
wrote:
Better yet, don't use ext4. Years ago I considered switching to ext4, so
looked at it compared to ext3, and concluded that ext4 has a slightly
greater chance of data loss. So I stayed with ext3. I'm now just beginning
to gradually switch over to btrfs because of its defrag capability.
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Now the question of the day is how the hell do we
fix it?
If you need a shared partition between wheezy and stretch create it in
wheezy.
2:56 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
Gene Heskett composed on 2018-08-21 09:08 (UTC-0400):
> > Now that's a gotcha I did not know. How
did it come that this was
> > thought of beeing a good idea?
> Yep. Exactly my thought when i spent 3-hours with
a server refusing to
> boot after migration to a new hdd (i used a stretch flash to copy).
> Who the fuck toughs it was a good idea?!! Why not call it ext5 or
> ext4a or whatever?!!
+100
Now the question of the day is how the hell do we fix
it?
As I implied 24 hours ago in this thread, it doesn't need fixing. Jessie came in
between Wheezy and Stretch, a long time (two years?). There are multiple
workarounds for those who skipped over Jessie:
1-Format the installation target using Wheezy or Jessie or old Knoppix or old
anything in advance of starting the installer. Formatting is an /optional/ part
of the installation process (as is partitioning).
2-As Dan wrote, use EXT3 instead of EXT4 (EXT3 can be converted to EXT4 later if
desired. AFAIK, the incompatible options will not automatically be added on
conversion.)
3-Format with the Stretch installer, but specify to omit the incompatible EXT4
options. I don't which it/they are, but my guess is the only one that is needed
is "-O '^64bit'". All my Wheezys were eliminated around the time its
support
termination was announced, so no practical way here to test.
4-Use XFS instead of EXT4.
5-Use a newer and/or custom kernel in Wheezy.
http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/debian/debian/pool/main/l/
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4:06 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 10:56:56 Felix Miata wrote:
Gene Heskett composed on 2018-08-21 09:08 (UTC-0400):
+100
Now the question of the day is how the hell do we fix it?
As I implied 24 hours ago in this thread, it doesn't need fixing.
Jessie came in between Wheezy and Stretch, a long time (two years?).
There are multiple workarounds for those who skipped over Jessie:
1-Format the installation target using Wheezy or Jessie or old Knoppix
or old anything in advance of starting the installer. Formatting is an
/optional/ part of the installation process (as is partitioning).
I did try to do that, it showed me the partitions I had setup in gparted,
but would not skip the selection and format steps.
Now that's a gotcha I did not know. How did it
come that this was
thought of beeing a good idea?
Yep. Exactly my thought when i spent 3-hours with a server refusing
to boot after migration to a new hdd (i used a stretch flash to
copy). Who the fuck toughs it was a good idea?!! Why not call it
ext5 or ext4a or whatever?!! 2-As Dan wrote, use EXT3 instead of EXT4 (EXT3 can be
converted to
EXT4 later if desired. AFAIK, the incompatible options will not
automatically be added on conversion.)
3-Format with the Stretch installer, but specify to omit the
incompatible EXT4 options. I don't which it/they are, but my guess is
the only one that is needed is "-O '^64bit'". All my Wheezys were
eliminated around the time its support termination was announced, so
no practical way here to test.
4-Use XFS instead of EXT4.
Thats been contemplated, but not being able to skip the partition and
formatting stage, I don't know how.
If there is a way, plz advise.
But this morning, the first install wouldn't boot at, as if there was no
grub on the drive, but I watched it install it. All I could see was no
drive activity, and a blinking underline cursor in row/column 1. Several
resets and a choose /sdb to boot from each time. So I started another
install, non-graphical, which sorta worked below.
2nd try today I only told it a separate /home, and that seemed to work,
but despite not choosing that in the initial menu, the speech-dispatcher
drove me crazy. No volume control installed, and the keyboard echo to
the terminal became so slow it screwed up my typing when I had become
root and issued a killall to shut it up, as if it was waiting for the
speech-dispatcher to finish. A gracefull stop as an option to the script
in /etc/init.d was ignored, as root or as me.
Hell of a way to run a train.
I added the wiki's entries in sources.list.d/trinity.list, but then the
keyserver refused my connection about 15 times so now I'm back on wheezy
since I can't replace the xfce default.
So whats with keyserver.quickbuild.io this morning, I can ping it from
stretch just fine. And the missus wants the papers before the storm
arrives, so I'll do that next. She's a good girl but a Crossword addict.
5-Use a newer and/or custom kernel in Wheezy.
http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/debian/debian/pool/main/l/
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4:38 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
I recently had to reinstall (I am currently staying on Jessie it does
pretty much everything I need and the bugs that exist I know how to work
around) and I had a similar issue. Grub would install but wouldn't boot the
machine. I could boot on my machine f11 to choose which device and I could
see the right loader and actually use it to boot the machine but I could
not get the machine to move that to the primary spot. in my case as I had
full backups and it was a new install with no real customization I just
completely flattened the disk and started over.
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 12:06 PM, Gene Heskett <gheskett(a)shentel.net> wrote:
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 10:56:56 Felix Miata wrote:
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Gene Heskett composed on 2018-08-21 09:08
(UTC-0400):
As I implied 24 hours ago in this thread, it doesn't need fixing.
Jessie came in between Wheezy and Stretch, a long time (two years?).
There are multiple workarounds for those who skipped over Jessie:
1-Format the installation target using Wheezy or Jessie or old Knoppix
or old anything in advance of starting the installer. Formatting is an
/optional/ part of the installation process (as is partitioning).
I did try to do that, it showed me the partitions I had setup in gparted,
but would not skip the selection and format steps.
> Now
that's a gotcha I did not know. How did it come that this was
> thought of beeing a good idea?
Yep. Exactly my thought when i spent 3-hours with a server refusing
to boot after migration to a new hdd (i used a stretch flash to
copy). Who the fuck toughs it was a good idea?!! Why not call it
ext5 or ext4a or whatever?!!
+100
Now the question of the day is how the hell do we fix it? 2-As Dan wrote, use EXT3 instead of EXT4 (EXT3
can be converted to
EXT4 later if desired. AFAIK, the incompatible options will not
automatically be added on conversion.)
3-Format with the Stretch installer, but specify to omit the
incompatible EXT4 options. I don't which it/they are, but my guess is
the only one that is needed is "-O '^64bit'". All my Wheezys were
eliminated around the time its support termination was announced, so
no practical way here to test.
4-Use XFS instead of EXT4.
Thats been contemplated, but not being able to skip the partition and
formatting stage, I don't know how.
If there is a way, plz advise.
But this morning, the first install wouldn't boot at, as if there was no
grub on the drive, but I watched it install it. All I could see was no
drive activity, and a blinking underline cursor in row/column 1. Several
resets and a choose /sdb to boot from each time. So I started another
install, non-graphical, which sorta worked below.
2nd try today I only told it a separate /home, and that seemed to work,
but despite not choosing that in the initial menu, the speech-dispatcher
drove me crazy. No volume control installed, and the keyboard echo to
the terminal became so slow it screwed up my typing when I had become
root and issued a killall to shut it up, as if it was waiting for the
speech-dispatcher to finish. A gracefull stop as an option to the script
in /etc/init.d was ignored, as root or as me.
Hell of a way to run a train.
I added the wiki's entries in sources.list.d/trinity.list, but then the
keyserver refused my connection about 15 times so now I'm back on wheezy
since I can't replace the xfce default.
So whats with keyserver.quickbuild.io this morning, I can ping it from
stretch just fine. And the missus wants the papers before the storm
arrives, so I'll do that next. She's a good girl but a Crossword addict.
5-Use a newer and/or custom kernel in Wheezy.
http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/debian/debian/pool/main/l/
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New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
Gene Heskett composed on 2018-08-21 12:06 (UTC-0400):
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 10:56:56 Felix Miata wrote:
> As I implied 24 hours ago in this thread, it
doesn't need fixing.
> Jessie came in between Wheezy and Stretch, a long time (two years?).
> There are multiple workarounds for those who skipped over Jessie:
> 1-Format the installation target using Wheezy or
Jessie or old Knoppix
> or old anything in advance of starting the installer. Formatting is an
> /optional/ part of the installation process (as is partitioning).
I did try to do that, it showed me the partitions I
had setup in gparted,
but would not skip the selection and format steps.
I think you must be misunderstanding what these steps are. They must be used to
specify which existing partitions to use, where to mount them, mount options,
etc. Once these have been done with supported formatted empty partitions, the
installer will default to "do not format". Even if they managed to return
"format partition", you can change the selection to "do not format".
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5:22 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 12:49:53 Felix Miata wrote:
Gene Heskett composed on 2018-08-21 12:06 (UTC-0400):
printed, I'll try it again. Thanks Felix.
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On Tuesday 21 August 2018 10:56:56 Felix Miata
wrote:
I think you must be misunderstanding what these steps are. They must
be used to specify which existing partitions to use, where to mount
them, mount options, etc. Once these have been done with supported
formatted empty partitions, the installer will default to "do not
format". Even if they managed to return "format partition", you can
change the selection to "do not format". As I implied 24 hours ago in this thread, it
doesn't need fixing.
Jessie came in between Wheezy and Stretch, a long time (two
years?). There are multiple workarounds for those who skipped over
Jessie:
1-Format the installation target using Wheezy or Jessie or old
Knoppix or old anything in advance of starting the installer.
Formatting is an /optional/ part of the installation process (as is
partitioning).
I did try to do that, it showed me the partitions I had setup in
gparted, but would not skip the selection and format steps.
5:10 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 10:56:56 Felix Miata wrote:
Gene Heskett composed on 2018-08-21 09:08 (UTC-0400):
+100
Now the question of the day is how the hell do we fix it?
As I implied 24 hours ago in this thread, it doesn't need fixing.
Jessie came in between Wheezy and Stretch, a long time (two years?).
There are multiple workarounds for those who skipped over Jessie:
With all due respect, and thats quite a bit for you Felix, there is but
one Jessie install here that runs Linuxcnc, and its on a raspi so we're
downloading a sd image and the install is writing the card and plugging
it in. I tried the installer on x86 machines and failed quite a few
times on several different machines. The LCNC folks never did issue a
dvd image of jessie that ran LinuxCNC. Now they have an experimental
stretch amd64 image that I'm playing with now, but IMO that installer is
broken too, no way to shut the speech-dispatcher up short of turning off
the audio amp. Had there ever been a working amd64 or even a 32 bit x86
jessie dvd image I would probably be running it on 6 machines here. That
one jessie I have, running most of a ton of a 70 yo old Sheldon lathe
from an rpi-3b, is dead stable from local power outage to local power
outage. Too bad it never got a working installer for amd64.
Now that's a gotcha I did not know. How did it
come that this was
thought of beeing a good idea?
Yep. Exactly my thought when i spent 3-hours with a server refusing
to boot after migration to a new hdd (i used a stretch flash to
copy). Who the fuck toughs it was a good idea?!! Why not call it
ext5 or ext4a or whatever?!! 1-Format the installation target using Wheezy or
Jessie or old Knoppix
or old anything in advance of starting the installer. Formatting is an
/optional/ part of the installation process (as is partitioning).
BTDT, the installer can't bypass it anyway. It it can, how?
2-As Dan wrote, use EXT3 instead of EXT4 (EXT3 can be
converted to
EXT4 later if desired. AFAIK, the incompatible options will not
automatically be added on conversion.)
3-Format with the Stretch installer, but specify to omit the
incompatible EXT4 options. I don't which it/they are, but my guess is
the only one that is needed is "-O '^64bit'". All my Wheezys were
eliminated around the time its support termination was announced, so
no practical way here to test.
So theres no lifeboat left in the wild. :(
4-Use XFS instead of EXT4.
5-Use a newer and/or custom kernel in Wheezy.
http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/debian/debian/pool/main/l/
I downloaded one of the amd64-4.18 kernels, but since this system is a 32
bit system, it likely won't install. One of the reasons I wanted to
update was to get into 64 bit, but LCNC up until about a year ago, was a
32 bit app only because the latency went to hell with 64 bits, the
context switch frame to service an interrupt was that much bigger.
But now nearly everyone including me has exported the realtime stuff to
fpga cards which in some simpler cases become sub $100 expenditures
instead of trying to pour all that data back and forth over an epp
parport, latency is somewhat less important than formerly. Now its a
balancing act between machine max speed and adequate control, usually in
1 millisecond windows.
Thanks Felix.
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1:04 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 05:12:03 Nick Koretsky wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 09:20:43 +0200
"Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office(a)klepp.biz> wrote:
No, you are wrong. There were options added to ext4 which made it
incompatible with older kernels. And a few years ago they made this
options default. Debian wheezy kernel (3.2) would not mount ext4
created in debian stretch.
But will it work in reverse by making the /media/dirs on stretch, and
mounting the wheezy partitions to them for reading purposes. I faintly
recall, on my first install attempt, doing that but could only see the
partitions root despite trying to cd up a known path, and when I had
rebooted to wheezy, the partitions were marked dirty and had to be
e2fsck'd which took about 20 minutes with nothing found. Thats not a
very confidence inspiring thing.
Since this is a 2 list post, going the emc-developers too since this
install media is theirs, my first attempt used the debian 9.4 1st dvd
for install media, and networking Just Worked. But lots of other stuff
didn't. My 2nd attempt was with the LCNC image of stretch pointed to by
the wiki.linuxcnc.org pages, and networking is dead. And my 3rd attempt
will use that media again.
That big a change in filesystems deserves a migration tool.
So I'm going to go fix the missus breakfast, then get to it a 3rd time.
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Its tears
so far Nik. There are so many differences just in the
ext4's used that one of them should be renamed, they will NOT
cross mount, ext4 disk to ext4 mount.
Hi Gene!
When you cannot mount the ext4 partions from one another, then there
is something very wrong. ext4 can be mounted as ext2 and that should
alway work - at least, if the drives and filesystems are ok.
1:11 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 03:20:43 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Dienstag, 21. August 2018 schrieb Gene Heskett:
I'll try that (mounting the old wheezy partitions as ext2) on the next
install, but first feed the missus.
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On Monday 20 August 2018 10:41:23 Dr. Nikolaus
Klepp wrote:
Hi Gene!
When you cannot mount the ext4 partions from one another, then there
is something very wrong. ext4 can be mounted as ext2 and that should
alway work - at least, if the drives and filesystems are ok.
Nik Am Montag, 20. August 2018 schrieb Gene Heskett:
Its tears so far Nik. There are so many differences just in the
ext4's used that one of them should be renamed, they will NOT cross
mount, ext4 disk to ext4 mount. [...]
These guys make a pretty good installer simply because they know
what it needs and doesn't need to run LinuxCNC right. They don't
care if it doesn't run on cousin Molly's washing machine,
although with some config effort, it can probably run it, better
than the programming it came with.
I certainly had no such problems installing tde on top of the
kde I originally loaded onto my Dell running a grizzly G0704
mill on a special wheezy install. So I'll do the same and then
install tde on that.
Back later with grins or tears.
Thanks Michelle.
Hi Gene!
You should definitly walk the devuan road. I had a hell of a time
with machinekit on BBB, till I found out how to get rid of the
systemd stuff. When you run stretch + linuxcnc, you'll most likely
get bad surprises (aka. latency > 400000ns) with the 4.*-rtpreempt
kernel
Nik
20 Aug
20 Aug
2:50 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] stretch problems
Gene Heskett composed on 2018-08-20 07:12 (UTC-0400):
I can't mount the stretch drive and edit it,
theres enough diffs between the ext4's that it refuses to mount from
wheezy.
...
So first, what do I edit or nuke to get rid of the
gnome over-ride?
Boot Wheezy, format the partitions the Stretch installer created.
Install like Michele wrote, minimal, and, use the existing partitions.
Use existing is the only way I ever install anything. I get exactly what
I want that way.
I don't download installation media. I download installation kernel and
initrd, put them where existing Grub can find them, create stanza to do
so in existing Grub, and net install minimal. Here are example stanzas,
one for Grub, other for Grub2:
title Install Debian via HTTP
kernel (hd0,2)/boot/debian/linux64 vga=791 --- net.ifnames=0 ipv6.disable=1
netcfg/get_hostname=myhost netcfg/disable_dhcp=true tasks=standard
base-installer/install-recommends=false
initrd (hd0,2)/boot/debian/initrd64.gz
menuentry "Install Debian via HTTP" {
search --no-floppy --label --set=root k25p03res
linuxefi /deb9/linux showopts vga=791 --- net.ifnames=0 ipv6.disable=1
netcfg/get_hostname=myhost netcfg/disable_dhcp=true tasks=standard
base-installer/install-recommends=false
initrdefi /deb9/initrd.gz
}
You can type in the same options booting the regular installation media
that you already burned. Or you can download the little net boot iso, and
burn and boot from it, doing same:
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/main/installer-amd64/current/…
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