Hi, do you know how I can disable the sending of the messages of the list to my email? I tried in gmane, but couldn't find where I can set it. I also searched on the TDE home page but couldn't find out.
thank you in advance
BR
On Thu September 7 2023 13:02:54 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
do you know how I can disable the sending of the messages of the list to my email? I tried in gmane, but couldn't find where I can set it. I also searched on the TDE home page but couldn't find out.
At the bottom of each email from the list it says:
To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@trinitydesktop.org
You need to do this from the address to which the emails were sent.
--Mike
On Thursday 07 September 2023 13:26:37 Mike Bird via tde-users wrote:
On Thu September 7 2023 13:02:54 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
do you know how I can disable the sending of the messages of the list to my email? I tried in gmane, but couldn't find where I can set it. I also searched on the TDE home page but couldn't find out.
At the bottom of each email from the list it says:
To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@trinitydesktop.org
You need to do this from the address to which the emails were sent.
--Mike
I believe what's intended is that he doesn't want emails showing his personal email address to anybody indiscriminately; this is a complaint in which I share. He wants (I think) the "to" and "from" to show his name, but then users@trinitydesktop.org as his email address.
In a vain attempt to avert this problem, I created a special email template, with my "Reply to" line specifically using the Trinity users address, but this still only works for when I write to the list using my template. When I send a reply (e.g., this very email), I must make sure to change those lines manually, otherwise my personal email address is revealed, and I get duplicate emails to both the TDE mailing list address and also to my personal email address, so apparently my personal email address is revealed, anyway, almost no matter what I do to prevent it.
At the moment, this creates no real problems, as I find most people on the list are pleasant enough, and I don't mind getting the occasional email, intentional or otherwise, from relative strangers. In the past, however, I used to get a lot of spam and phishing attempts and such, so I would like to avoid them.
If there is some way to make that more permanent (that is, to show my email address only as users@trinitydesktop.org and not as my personal email), then I would like to know, or to have it implemented as a kind of general policy on the list. In the meanwhile, I work with what I have.
Bill
On Thu September 7 2023 13:56:39 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
If there is some way to make that more permanent (that is, to show my email address only as users@trinitydesktop.org and not as my personal email), then I would like to know, or to have it implemented as a kind of general policy on the list. In the meanwhile, I work with what I have.
Hi Bill,
Slávek sets TDE policy, not I, but I do administer some non-TDE mailing lists. As to those I would be opposed to any attempt to hide the author of emails. Fighting spam is hard enough without everyone posting as the same fake address.
Also be advised that in addition to your self CC your actual email address appears numerous times in the headers of the email - for tracking and authentication purposes - and thus is still available for spammers to harvest
//
As to Deloptes original question, I am unclear as to whether they want to unsubscribe versus remain subscribed but not receive emails because they are using Gmane. If the latter they can click on the archive link at the bottom of list messages, log in, and at top right change their Mailman Settings / Global Mailman preferences / Delivery status to disabled.
--Mike
On Thursday 07 September 2023 14:24:11 Mike Bird via tde-users wrote:
Hi Bill,
Sl�vek sets TDE policy, not I, but I do administer some non-TDE mailing lists. As to those I would be opposed to any attempt to hide the author of emails. Fighting spam is hard enough without everyone posting as the same fake address.
Also be advised that in addition to your self CC your actual email address appears numerous times in the headers of the email - for tracking and authentication purposes - and thus is still available for spammers to harvest
Well okay, I can see that. But it still shows up online in the mailing list archive, which has nothing to do with that.
I realize that I cannot entirely escape spammers, etc., and I can see your point about having to know our real email addresses in order to fight against them. All the same, I would like to keep that kind of stuff hidden as much as possible, at least a little harder to find.
Bill
Mike Bird via tde-users wrote:
As to Deloptes original question, I am unclear as to whether they want to unsubscribe versus remain subscribed but not receive emails because they are using Gmane. If the latter they can click on the archive link at the bottom of list messages, log in, and at top right change their Mailman Settings / Global Mailman preferences / Delivery status to disabled.
Delopes is a he :) They are (if in one person) anomaly :) It is unusual feeling being called they, even if I understand the politeness in the background. I just want to say it is not necessary for me.
As of mailman ... I am not even sure I subscribed to Mailman. I recall there was a discussion I initiated 1-2y ago and unsubscribed/subscribed and since then I am getting the mails. I tried the "Forgot your password" bit it is not working for the e-mail.
Could it be that I am still subscribed only to gmane?
On Thursday 07 September 2023 15:32:58 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Mike Bird via tde-users wrote:
As to Deloptes original question, I am unclear as to whether they want to
Delopes is a he :) They are (if in one person) anomaly :) It is unusual feeling being called they, even if I understand the politeness in the background. I just want to say it is not necessary for me.
Ah, you have got caught up in our culture wars. It is a pity that this stupid non-question has become an obsession for so many people who take different sides and evidently do not know at all anything about, say, linguistics or the established etymologies of words.
I, too, get annoyed by this kind of misuse of language, which is a kind of pretension to some "better knowledge"; but the funny thing is, practically everybody is wrong on this matter.
The use of *they* as a kind of indeterminate form can be considered both right and wrong, depending on one's point of view. It is used to be deliberately non-specific, or maybe "polite" usage: neither male nor female, neither singular nor plural, nor giving other indications about one's relations to others (as one finds in languages other than English). I think maybe it's because English lost the use of gender in language for ordinary words. I don't hear about people debating whether, in other languages, a wall or a house ought to be masculine or feminine, etc. That part of the culture wars seems to be peculiarly an American phenomenon, or at least it is very much anglocentric.
And yet, I must point out that the use of the words *they* and *them* in this sort of indeterminate or "polite" sense is actually quite ancient, and can be traced back a part of speech that was lost. There are traces of this, for example, in French, as when one says "On dit" (They say), as in, "They say it's going to rain sometime later today." Who is this "they"?
This seventh form or declension (not sure if my terms are correct here, as it's been decades since university) dropped out of most Indo-European languages sometime at the brink of the historical record. It used to exist (I believe) in Old Irish and the other oldest European languages, but then gradually disappeared.
Personally, I wish scholars, linguists, grammarians, makers of dictionaries, politicians -- whoever it is that gets to decide these matters -- could get it together, and come up with a kind of all-purpose, inclusive term (one that doesn't offend anybody) to cover this problem of the "third gender" or third sex; not to make any kind of political statement, but only because it is a concept that is recognized in many cultures already, and can be found in our own history, going back before the Classical period.
And then maybe we could all get back to living our lives again, instead of fighting these stupid culture wars over things that aren't even real.
Just my opinion ...
Bill
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Thursday 07 September 2023 15:32:58 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Mike Bird via tde-users wrote:
As to Deloptes original question, I am unclear as to whether they want to
Delopes is a he :) They are (if in one person) anomaly :) It is unusual feeling being called they, even if I understand the politeness in the background. I just want to say it is not necessary for me.
Ah, you have got caught up in our culture wars. It is a pity that this stupid non-question has become an obsession for so many people who take different sides and evidently do not know at all anything about, say, linguistics or the established etymologies of words.
Well, today using they is signalling progressiveness. AFAIR from the English classes "you" is sufficiently polite and would prefer this as pronoun reffering my person.
I, too, get annoyed by this kind of misuse of language, which is a kind of pretension to some "better knowledge"; but the funny thing is, practically everybody is wrong on this matter.
The use of *they* as a kind of indeterminate form can be considered both right and wrong, depending on one's point of view. It is used to be deliberately non-specific, or maybe "polite" usage: neither male nor female, neither singular nor plural, nor giving other indications about one's relations to others (as one finds in languages other than English). I think maybe it's because English lost the use of gender in language for ordinary words. I don't hear about people debating whether, in other languages, a wall or a house ought to be masculine or feminine, etc. That part of the culture wars seems to be peculiarly an American phenomenon, or at least it is very much anglocentric.
I do not want to prolong this discussion in the linguistic direction as it is getting OT. However "they" is nowdays plural in contradiction to archaic use as you describe. "You" is the accepted pronoun. The progressives try to insert all kinds of other pronouns or variants of spelling, but there is the principle of economy of language and it is not likely to succeed (from theoretical and historical PoV).
And yet, I must point out that the use of the words *they* and *them* in this sort of indeterminate or "polite" sense is actually quite ancient, and can be traced back a part of speech that was lost. There are traces of this, for example, in French, as when one says "On dit" (They say), as in, "They say it's going to rain sometime later today." Who is this "they"?
This seventh form or declension (not sure if my terms are correct here, as it's been decades since university) dropped out of most Indo-European languages sometime at the brink of the historical record. It used to exist (I believe) in Old Irish and the other oldest European languages, but then gradually disappeared.
You mean dualis, which stands for 2, meaning both of us. I was always curious. I know in Europe the Slovenians still have dualis.
Personally, I wish scholars, linguists, grammarians, makers of dictionaries, politicians -- whoever it is that gets to decide these matters -- could get it together, and come up with a kind of all-purpose, inclusive term (one that doesn't offend anybody) to cover this problem of the "third gender" or third sex; not to make any kind of political statement, but only because it is a concept that is recognized in many cultures already, and can be found in our own history, going back before the Classical period.
Well, from theoretical PoV the scholars follow the development in the language. The philosophers or alike create or perhaps more accurately develop the concept and the people either accept or reject it.
For example the above mentioned "they" was used only when reffering the Emperor which was inherited from the Roman-Byzantine empire, where they had two equal in power and they find a way to address them without insulting one or the other. The simple people then adopted it as polite form, but for example in Austria or Prussia/Germany they were forbidden to use it and they used "he" or "she" instead of nowdays "you" reffering a single person.
And then maybe we could all get back to living our lives again, instead of fighting these stupid culture wars over things that aren't even real.
My strategy is "ignore", but I still prefer to be he and addressed by "you". This is what I wanted to highlight originally.
And if someone can tell me how to solve the issue with the generated mail, it would be great.
BR
On Thu September 7 2023 16:12:18 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Thursday 07 September 2023 15:32:58 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Mike Bird via tde-users wrote:
As to Deloptes original question, I am unclear as to whether they want to
Delopes is a he :) They are (if in one person) anomaly :) It is unusual feeling being called they, even if I understand the politeness in the background. I just want to say it is not necessary for me.
Ah, you have got caught up in our culture wars. It is a pity that this stupid non-question has become an obsession for so many people who take different sides and evidently do not know at all anything about, say, linguistics or the established etymologies of words.
"They" is polite and perfectly acceptable when gender is unknown or irrelevant or many-valued (as in "For each person on the list please ask them if they remembered to bring their passport" where them/their is singular gender neutral). Pronouns are like variable declarations where sometimes you need variant types. Despite my immense brain power I have not memorized the gender of every TDE user.
Political opinions are a different matter and may be opined in appropriate forums but not here.
On Thu September 7 2023 16:46:34 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Well, today using they is signalling progressiveness. AFAIR from the English classes "you" is sufficiently polite and would prefer this as pronoun reffering my person.
"You" is second person and therefore not interchangeable with third person "they".
And if someone can tell me how to solve the issue with the generated mail, it would be great.
On Thu September 7 2023 14:24:11 Mike Bird via tde-users wrote:
As to Deloptes original question, I am unclear as to whether they want to unsubscribe versus remain subscribed but not receive emails because they are using Gmane. If the latter they can click on the archive link at the bottom of list messages, log in, and at top right change their Mailman Settings / Global Mailman preferences / Delivery status to disabled.
If you don't know whether you are subscribed you could look at the footer of a list email you receive, or send me a copy of an entire email including headers and footer if the answer is still unclear.
--Mike
On Friday 08 of September 2023 02:04:43 Mike Bird via tde-users wrote:
On Thu September 7 2023 14:24:11 Mike Bird via tde-users wrote:
As to Deloptes original question, I am unclear as to whether they want to unsubscribe versus remain subscribed but not receive emails because they are using Gmane. If the latter they can click on the archive link at the bottom of list messages, log in, and at top right change their Mailman Settings / Global Mailman preferences / Delivery status to disabled.
If you don't know whether you are subscribed you could look at the footer of a list email you receive, or send me a copy of an entire email including headers and footer if the answer is still unclear.
--Mike _____________________________________
Hi, Mike, Emanoil, others,
I verified that Emanoil is a subscribed member of ML. So via the web interface there can set its preferences - for example, not wanting to receive posts by mail. Delivery status can be set at several levels - global, but also specifically for individual mailing lists.
Cheers
Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote:
Hi, Mike, Emanoil, others,
I verified that Emanoil is a subscribed member of ML. So via the web interface there can set its preferences - for example, not wanting to receive posts by mail. Delivery status can be set at several levels - global, but also specifically for individual mailing lists.
Cheers
Thank you Slavek, this is also what I have in memory. In fact I found the subscription confirmation mail from 4.8.2021.
However I do not have the password and the mailman says it does not know my user account
Password Reset
Forgotten your password? Enter your e-mail address below, and we'll send you an e-mail allowing you to reset it. E-mail The e-mail address is not assigned to any user account ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What to do now?
Thanks
Anno domini 2023 Thu, 7 Sep 17:04:43 -0700 Mike Bird via tde-users scripsit:
On Thu September 7 2023 16:12:18 William Morder via tde-users wrote: [...] "They" is polite and perfectly acceptable when gender is unknown or irrelevant or many-valued (as in "For each person on the list please ask them if they remembered to bring their passport" where them/their is singular gender neutral). Pronouns are like variable declarations where sometimes you need variant types.
I thought it was "thou" / "thee" / "thy" / "thine" but not "they" ... well, you never know, and time flows ...
Nik
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On September 8, 2023 1:06:33 AM CDT, "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users" users@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
Anno domini 2023 Thu, 7 Sep 17:04:43 -0700 Mike Bird via tde-users scripsit:
On Thu September 7 2023 16:12:18 William Morder via tde-users wrote: [...] "They" is polite and perfectly acceptable when gender is unknown or irrelevant or many-valued (as in "For each person on the list please ask them if they remembered to bring their passport" where them/their is singular gender neutral). Pronouns are like variable declarations where sometimes you need variant types.
I thought it was "thou" / "thee" / "thy" / "thine" but not "they" ... well, you never know, and time flows ...
Nik
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Actually it was once something akin to "hie" or "hem" (from Middle English hei and hem) and the latter still survives as a contraction in phrases like "Catch 'em all" but I digress. :-)
On 2023-09-07 18:46:34 you wrote:
Well, from theoretical PoV the scholars follow the development in the language. The philosophers or alike create or perhaps more accurately develop the concept and the people either accept or reject it.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I suspect that scholars and philosophers had very little to do with the hijacking of "they" to do the work of "it". :-)
Leslie -- Platform: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.4 - x86_64 Desktop Environment: Trinity Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.1.0 tde-config: 1.0
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
I believe what's intended is that he doesn't want emails showing his personal email address to anybody indiscriminately; this is a complaint in which I share. He wants (I think) the "to" and "from" to show his name, but then users@trinitydesktop.org as his email address.
Hi
no I simply get the mails sent per mail to my mail address. And this is what I do want to configure, so that it is not send. I want to remain subscribed to the list, but not receiving the e-mails in the mailbox.
BR
On Thursday 07 September 2023 15:17:31 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
I believe what's intended is that he doesn't want emails showing his personal email address to anybody indiscriminately; this is a complaint in which I share. He wants (I think) the "to" and "from" to show his name, but then users@trinitydesktop.org as his email address.
Hi
no I simply get the mails sent per mail to my mail address. And this is what I do want to configure, so that it is not send. I want to remain subscribed to the list, but not receiving the e-mails in the mailbox.
BR
Thank you, and I do apologize if I put words into your mouth. I did not wish to presume to know what you thought or wanted, but at the moment it seemed to coincide with my own issue with the mailing list.
Bill
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