It is amazing how on the great, vast internet the amount of material has grown while the amount of useful material has shrunk both as a percentage and as an absolute amount. This unhappy fact is exacerbated by rise of conversation bureaucrats, not just the usual web cops but an actual bureaucracy of petit tyrants who, by God, are going to rule with an iron fist. (I actually think one of the great selling points of TDE is this list, which is free of such things. Anyone who remembers the KDE forums way back when would probably still shudder.) This makes tasks like searching for answers all the worse because half the time the search results for your exact question end up being moderators and their rumpswabs angry that the question was asked, rather than just answering the damn thing. I discovered the first day with PiOS that Wayland ain't soup yet. It is theoretically more elegant. So is the ramjet, but if you stick 'em on airplanes now they's gwan to be a whole lot of crashes. I'm beginning to think the same thing is true of Pipewire. Many applications do not play nicely with it. The translation layer seems a little flaky. It has been years since work was done on Kaffeine, and there wasn't any Pipewire then. VLC seems to grumble about it. And unlike X11, which was easy to start instead of Wayland, getting rid of Pipewire is a real pain. But it is looking more and more like the culprit. I'm going in -- look after my family if I don't return. dep Pictures: http://www.ipernity.com/doc/depscribe/album Column: https://ofb.biz/author/dep/