9 Sep
2022
9 Sep
'22
3:11 p.m.
Hi Gianluca,
On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 20:31 (-0700), Gianluca Interlandi wrote:
> are you able to attach the actual dvi file (or one
showing that
> problem, alo)? Or, if you want to send it directly to me, that is fine
> too. I am curious as to what the issue is.
I will send it to you separately.
Got it, see below.
On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 20:44 (-0700), Gianluca Interlandi wrote:
I attach here the .tex, .dvi, .pdf files along with
the EPS graphics. You
need to have the EPS file in the same firectory as the .dvi file. The .pdf
shows the full page with the figure. When I open the .dvi in an older
OpenSUSE (<=13.2) distribution, then the figure appears. But in OpenSUSE
15.3 the figure is not there but the text is.
It worked fine for me.
I am using Slackware64 15.0. However, rather than using Slackware's
TeX packages, I just install texlive and get it over with.
Are you using texlive, or OpenSUSE's TeX packages? And, in either
case, if you copy xdvi from a working system and try it out on your
system, does it work?
You might consider submitting a bug report to the OpenSUSE people
(assuming you are using their package, and not texlive).
Jim
9 Sep
9 Sep
3:54 p.m.
New subject: gvim with GTK3 in OpenSUSE 15.3
Hi Jim,
On Fri, 9 Sep 2022, Jim wrote:
On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 20:44 (-0700), Gianluca
Interlandi wrote:
I will check that.
I attach here the .tex, .dvi, .pdf files along
with the EPS graphics. You
need to have the EPS file in the same firectory as the .dvi file. The .pdf
shows the full page with the figure. When I open the .dvi in an older
OpenSUSE (<=13.2) distribution, then the figure appears. But in OpenSUSE
15.3 the figure is not there but the text is.
It worked fine for me.
I am using Slackware64 15.0. However, rather than using Slackware's
TeX packages, I just install texlive and get it over with.
Are you using texlive, or OpenSUSE's TeX packages? And, in either
case, if you copy xdvi from a working system and try it out on your
system, does it work? You might consider submitting a bug report to the
OpenSUSE people
(assuming you are using their package, and not texlive).
I am using texlive, which is included in the OpenSUSE distribution. I will
contact the OpenSUSE forum.
I also tried out different fonts with gvim to see if that affects speed. I
found that Liberation Mono is a bit faster than Adobe Courier that I was
using.
Thanks,
Gianluca
Jim
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4:56 p.m.
New subject: gvim with GTK3 in OpenSUSE 15.3
On Fri, 9 Sep 2022, Gianluca Interlandi wrote:
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Hi Jim,
On Fri, 9 Sep 2022, Jim wrote:
I copied xdvi from an older distribution, but I get the same problem,
i.e., the text appears but not the figures. So the problem may be
somewhere else. I searched the web and found that this is not an uncommon
issue as it occurred also in other distributions:
https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24941
Gianluca
On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 20:44 (-0700), Gianluca
Interlandi wrote:
I will check that. I attach here the .tex, .dvi, .pdf files along
with the EPS graphics. You
need to have the EPS file in the same firectory as the .dvi file. The .pdf
shows the full page with the figure. When I open the .dvi in an older
OpenSUSE (<=13.2) distribution, then the figure appears. But in OpenSUSE
15.3 the figure is not there but the text is.
It worked fine for me.
I am using Slackware64 15.0. However, rather than using Slackware's
TeX packages, I just install texlive and get it over with.
Are you using texlive, or OpenSUSE's TeX packages? And, in either
case, if you copy xdvi from a working system and try it out on your
system, does it work? You might
consider submitting a bug report to the OpenSUSE people
(assuming you are using their package, and not texlive).
I am using texlive, which is included in the OpenSUSE distribution. I will
contact the OpenSUSE forum.
I also tried out different fonts with gvim to see if that affects speed. I
found that Liberation Mono is a bit faster than Adobe Courier that I was
using.
Thanks,
Gianluca
Jim
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6:18 p.m.
New subject: gvim with GTK3 in OpenSUSE 15.3
Hi Gianluca,
On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 09:56 (-0700), Gianluca Interlandi wrote:
I copied xdvi from an older distribution, but I get
the same problem, i.e.,
the text appears but not the figures. So the problem may be somewhere else.
I searched the web and found that this is not an uncommon issue as it
occurred also in other distributions:
This suggests that ghostscript is your problem. Did you try copying
that from an old system and putting it somewhere in your $PATH before
the system ghostscript (on your updated system)?
If that doesn't help, I guess you are stuck with okular. As I think I
said, it seems as fast as xdvi on my system. If yours is noticeably
slower I wonder what strange things are happening on your system.
(Assuming you aren't using some very old, slow computer.)
Cheers.
Jim
6:41 p.m.
New subject: gvim with GTK3 in OpenSUSE 15.3
On Fri, 9 Sep 2022, Jim wrote:
Hi Gianluca,
On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 09:56 (-0700), Gianluca Interlandi wrote:
No, okular is not slow on my system. I never implied that. I just think
that xdvi is generally more lightweight than okular, but okular runs well.
So okular is an option if I can't figure out ghostscript. What exactly
would I copy of ghostscript from the older system? In a OpenSUSE 13.2
installation I have for example:
/usr/lib64/ghostscript/9.15/X11.so
Would that be enough?
I also realized that my subject line should have read "OpenSUSE 15.2", not
15.3, but that may not be as relevant now.
Thanks,
Gianluca
I copied xdvi from an older distribution, but I
get the same problem, i.e.,
the text appears but not the figures. So the problem may be somewhere else.
I searched the web and found that this is not an uncommon issue as it
occurred also in other distributions:
This suggests that ghostscript is your problem. Did you try copying
that from an old system and putting it somewhere in your $PATH before
the system ghostscript (on your updated system)?
If that doesn't help, I guess you are stuck with okular. As I think I
said, it seems as fast as xdvi on my system. If yours is noticeably
slower I wonder what strange things are happening on your system.
(Assuming you aren't using some very old, slow computer.) Cheers.
Jim
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10 Sep
10 Sep
12:05 a.m.
New subject: gvim with GTK3 in OpenSUSE 15.3
I found out that the problem is with ghostscript having dropped the
"execute" command while xdvi had not been patched yet to deal with this:
https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1701810.h…
The xdvi version installed in OpenSUSE 15.2 and 15.3 is from 2017. Only
OpenSUSE 15.4 ships with a xdvi version from 2021 where the problem is
probably resolved. I wonder why the OpenSUSE team did not realize this
sooner to at least include it in 15.3 or even an update for 15.2, but I
should have also filed a bug report right away. In any case, okular works
fine to display .dvi files.
> I am using Slackware64 15.0. However, rather
than using Slackware's
> TeX packages, I just install texlive and get it over with.
I wonder how Slackware64 compares to OpenSUSE in terms of package
stability and consistency. I don't mind trying out a new distribution at
some point.
Thanks!
Gianluca
On Fri, 9 Sep 2022, Gianluca Interlandi wrote:
On Fri, 9 Sep 2022, Jim wrote:
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+1 (206) 685 4435
http://gianluca.today/
Department of Bioengineering
University of Washington, Seattle WA U.S.A.
-----------------------------------------------------
Hi Gianluca,
On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 09:56 (-0700), Gianluca Interlandi wrote:
No, okular is not slow on my system. I never implied that. I just think that
xdvi is generally more lightweight than okular, but okular runs well. So
okular is an option if I can't figure out ghostscript. What exactly would I
copy of ghostscript from the older system? In a OpenSUSE 13.2 installation I
have for example:
/usr/lib64/ghostscript/9.15/X11.so
Would that be enough?
I also realized that my subject line should have read "OpenSUSE 15.2", not
15.3, but that may not be as relevant now.
Thanks,
Gianluca
I copied xdvi from an older distribution, but I
get the same problem,
i.e.,
the text appears but not the figures. So the problem may be somewhere
else.
I searched the web and found that this is not an uncommon issue as it
occurred also in other distributions:
This suggests that ghostscript is your problem. Did you try copying
that from an old system and putting it somewhere in your $PATH before
the system ghostscript (on your updated system)?
If that doesn't help, I guess you are stuck with okular. As I think I
said, it seems as fast as xdvi on my system. If yours is noticeably
slower I wonder what strange things are happening on your system.
(Assuming you aren't using some very old, slow computer.) Cheers.
Jim
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4:40 p.m.
New subject: gvim with GTK3 in OpenSUSE 15.3
Hi, see blow.
On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 17:05 (-0700), Gianluca Interlandi wrote:
I found out that the problem is with ghostscript
having dropped the
"execute" command while xdvi had not been patched yet to deal with this:
The xdvi version installed in OpenSUSE 15.2 and 15.3
is from 2017.
?
Perhaps what you really want to do is get rid of OpenSUSE's ancient
TeX stuff and install TeX from texlive by yourself. It is a very
simple procedure, but if you want to try it and have any questions I'd
be happy to help.
Only OpenSUSE 15.4 ships with a xdvi version from 2021
where the
problem is probably resolved. I wonder why the OpenSUSE team did not
realize this sooner to at least include it in 15.3 or even an update
for 15.2, but I should have also filed a bug report right away. In
any case, okular works fine to display .dvi files.
At least you can get on with your work.
> I am using Slackware64 15.0. However, rather than
using Slackware's
> TeX packages, I just install texlive and get it over with.
I wonder how Slackware64 compares to OpenSUSE in terms
of package
stability and consistency. I don't mind trying out a new
distribution at some point.
I don't know much about OpenSUSE. Slackware 15.0 came out early this
year, but the version it replaced was getting long in the tooth. I am
hoping that 15.1 (or 16.0, as the guy in charge sees fit) will not
take so long to appear.
Slackware itself doesn't come with every package under the sun, and
the ones it comes with are only updated for security reasons. So the
stability of a given Slackware distro is excellent.
However, there are many packages (over 8000) available at
slackbuilds.org, and these tend to be updated reasonably frequently.
Those are not updated automatically, so if everything is working for
you, you can just avoid updating any of those packages. (Beware,
however, of security updates.)
I tend to update my slackbuild packages whenever a new version
appears. At the moment I don't recall that ever causing any problem
for me, but it is possible that it did at some point.
Cheers.
Jim
12 Sep
12 Sep
6:29 p.m.
New subject: gvim with GTK3 in OpenSUSE 15.3
Hi Jim,
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022, Jim wrote:
Thanks so much for sharing your experience with Slackware.
Gianluca
Hi, see blow.
On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 17:05 (-0700), Gianluca Interlandi wrote:
I never thought of that. So far OpenSUSE's texlive has worked fine, but if
I keep having problems it's certainly an option. Thanks for offering your
help!
I found out that the problem is with ghostscript
having dropped the
"execute" command while xdvi had not been patched yet to deal with this:
The xdvi version installed in OpenSUSE 15.2 and
15.3 is from 2017.
?
Perhaps what you really want to do is get rid of OpenSUSE's ancient
TeX stuff and install TeX from texlive by yourself. It is a very
simple procedure, but if you want to try it and have any questions I'd
be happy to help. Only OpenSUSE 15.4 ships with a xdvi version from
2021 where the
problem is probably resolved. I wonder why the OpenSUSE team did not
realize this sooner to at least include it in 15.3 or even an update
for 15.2, but I should have also filed a bug report right away. In
any case, okular works fine to display .dvi files.
At least you can get on with your work.
> I am using Slackware64 15.0. However, rather
than using Slackware's
> TeX packages, I just install texlive and get it over with.
I wonder how Slackware64 compares to OpenSUSE in
terms of package
stability and consistency. I don't mind trying out a new
distribution at some point.
I don't know much about OpenSUSE. Slackware 15.0 came out early this
year, but the version it replaced was getting long in the tooth. I am
hoping that 15.1 (or 16.0, as the guy in charge sees fit) will not
take so long to appear.
Slackware itself doesn't come with every package under the sun, and
the ones it comes with are only updated for security reasons. So the
stability of a given Slackware distro is excellent.
However, there are many packages (over 8000) available at
slackbuilds.org, and these tend to be updated reasonably frequently.
Those are not updated automatically, so if everything is working for
you, you can just avoid updating any of those packages. (Beware,
however, of security updates.)
I tend to update my slackbuild packages whenever a new version
appears. At the moment I don't recall that ever causing any problem
for me, but it is possible that it did at some point.
Cheers.
Jim
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8:02 p.m.
New subject: gvim with GTK3 in OpenSUSE 15.3
Hi Gianluca,
Two replies in one.
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 11:15 (-0700), Gianluca Interlandi wrote:
<snip>
Thanks for all your suggestions and help. The
alternative could also
be to install xdvi from the OpenSUSE 15.4 release (assuming it does
not depend on updating other packages as well).
Yes, although you never know when there is going to be some weird
incompatibility waiting to annoy you.
As to why dogs clot more easily, I am not able to
verify that. It
could have several reasons, like the presence of more coagulation
proteins or blood platelets.
Both of those make sense (speaking as someone with virtually no
knowledge in that area, anyway).
It makes me think about salamanders (the OpenSUSE
logo), which have
lower blood pressure and hence do not need to form scar tissue (as
opposed to larger vertebrates) and that allows them to regrow a
limb.
I didn't know that low blood pressure was a factor. That is very
interesting.
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 11:29 (-0700), Gianluca Interlandi wrote:
> Perhaps what you really want to do is get rid of
OpenSUSE's ancient
> TeX stuff and install TeX from texlive by yourself. It is a very
> simple procedure, but if you want to try it and have any questions I'd
> be happy to help.
I never thought of that. So far OpenSUSE's
texlive has worked fine,
but if I keep having problems it's certainly an option. Thanks for
offering your help!
I think the other benefit is that if you have an issue with the
current texlive distribution, the texlive people are very helpful. If
you have TeX packaged by some other group, the texlive people are
probably not able to help, except for very generic issues. Also, if
you want to keep your TeX stuff up to date, texlive provides
facilities to make that very simple.
> I tend to update my slackbuild packages whenever a
new version
> appears. At the moment I don't recall that ever causing any problem
> for me, but it is possible that it did at some point.
Thanks so much for sharing your experience with
Slackware.
You're welcome. Slackware isn't considered to be n00b-friendly, but
anyone who has used another version of Linux should be able to get it
going relatively easily. And after getting it installed, my
experience is that Slackware is rock-solid.
Cheers.
Jim
8:09 p.m.
New subject: gvim with GTK3 in OpenSUSE 15.3
Slackware isn't considered to be n00b-friendly,
but anyone who has used
another version of Linux should be able to get it going relatively
easily.
Sorry, "n00b-friendly" in this context means "newbies-friendly"?
Gianluca
On Mon, 12 Sep 2022, Jim wrote:
Hi Gianluca,
Two replies in one.
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 11:15 (-0700), Gianluca Interlandi wrote:
<snip>
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http://gianluca.today/
Department of Bioengineering
University of Washington, Seattle WA U.S.A.
-----------------------------------------------------
Thanks for all your suggestions and help. The
alternative could also
be to install xdvi from the OpenSUSE 15.4 release (assuming it does
not depend on updating other packages as well).
Yes, although you never know when there is going to be some weird
incompatibility waiting to annoy you.
As to why dogs clot more easily, I am not able to
verify that. It
could have several reasons, like the presence of more coagulation
proteins or blood platelets.
Both of those make sense (speaking as someone with virtually no
knowledge in that area, anyway).
It makes me think about salamanders (the OpenSUSE
logo), which have
lower blood pressure and hence do not need to form scar tissue (as
opposed to larger vertebrates) and that allows them to regrow a
limb.
I didn't know that low blood pressure was a factor. That is very
interesting.
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 11:29 (-0700), Gianluca Interlandi wrote:
> Perhaps what you really want to do is get rid
of OpenSUSE's ancient
> TeX stuff and install TeX from texlive by yourself. It is a very
> simple procedure, but if you want to try it and have any questions I'd
> be happy to help.
I never thought of that. So far OpenSUSE's
texlive has worked fine,
but if I keep having problems it's certainly an option. Thanks for
offering your help!
I think the other benefit is that if you have an issue with the
current texlive distribution, the texlive people are very helpful. If
you have TeX packaged by some other group, the texlive people are
probably not able to help, except for very generic issues. Also, if
you want to keep your TeX stuff up to date, texlive provides
facilities to make that very simple.
> I tend to update my slackbuild packages
whenever a new version
> appears. At the moment I don't recall that ever causing any problem
> for me, but it is possible that it did at some point.
Thanks so much for sharing your experience with
Slackware.
You're welcome. Slackware isn't considered to be n00b-friendly, but
anyone who has used another version of Linux should be able to get it
going relatively easily. And after getting it installed, my
experience is that Slackware is rock-solid.
Cheers.
Jim
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9:13 p.m.
New subject: gvim with GTK3 in OpenSUSE 15.3
Hi Gianluca,
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 13:09 (-0700), Gianluca Interlandi wrote:
> Slackware isn't considered to be
n00b-friendly, but anyone who has used
> another version of Linux should be able to get it going relatively
> easily.
Sorry, "n00b-friendly" in this context means
"newbies-friendly"?
Yes, sorry that wasn't clear.
For someone completely unfamiliar with Linux or Unix, installing and
configuring Slackware is probably more of a challenge than, say,
Ubuntu, because there aren't the same number of gui wizards to walk
new users through the installation and initial setup processes.
But someone who is used to using Linux (or some commercial Unix
variant) would probably be more at home with the ideas.
There is a "live" edition of Slackware at
https://download.liveslak.org/. This system can be run from a USB
storage device and can be set up so that changes persist across
reboots. It is probably a reasonable way for someone to try out
Slackware without taking the effort to re-partition their disk.
Cheers.
Jim
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