Hello
I have installed Kubuntu 10.04 with trinity 3.5.11 (I think) on a X60 Thinkpad Laptop. This morning the xerver freezed and I had to reboot,
I got a graphical login, could login, kde3 started, however the hard disk was in read only mode. So I rebooted again, this time it took almost 15 min to reboot, a sign that some hard disk problem occurred; (I have the jfs file system.)
Anyhow finally the machine booted again successfully, I got a graphical login but now I could *NOT* login, the password was accepted but instead the graphical login screen reappeared.
I could login on a terminal though. So I thought maybe the xorg.conf file was damaged. But this Kubuntu version does not have a xorg file anymore, as google told me.
So what can I do?
(1) sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org ???
(2) sudo X -configure?
(3) sudo dexconfiure -o xorg.con??
Any help is strongly appreciated, because the only other solution it to try a _complete_ reinstall.
thanks
Uwe Brauer
Hello
I have installed Kubuntu 10.04 with trinity 3.5.11 (I think) on a X60 Thinkpad Laptop. This morning the xerver freezed and I had to reboot,
I got a graphical login, could login, kde3 started, however the hard disk was in read only mode. So I rebooted again, this time it took almost 15 min to reboot, a sign that some hard disk problem occurred; (I have the jfs file system.)
Anyhow finally the machine booted again successfully, I got a graphical login but now I could *NOT* login, the password was accepted but instead the graphical login screen reappeared.
I could login on a terminal though. So I thought maybe the xorg.conf file was damaged. But this Kubuntu version does not have a xorg file anymore, as google told me.
So what can I do?
(1) sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org ??? (2) sudo X -configure? (3) sudo dexconfiure -o xorg.con??Any help is strongly appreciated, because the only other solution it to try a _complete_ reinstall.
thanks
Uwe Brauer
My first suggestion would be to move (not copy) your home folder somewhere safe, then try logging in again. If you can successfully log on with a fresh home directory, then a configuration file was probably damaged. If not, a complete reinstall is likely in order to repair damage to system files.
Tim
"Timothy" == Timothy Pearson kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net writes:
thanks
Uwe Brauer
My first suggestion would be to move (not copy) your home folder somewhere safe, then try logging in again. If you can successfully log on with a fresh home directory, then a configuration file was probably damaged. If not, a complete reinstall is likely in order to repair damage to system files.
Ha, that did not occur to me, it worked!!! Thanks a lot, you saved me the trouble of reinstalling. :-D
BTW I have connected to many wifi places, home and abroad, and the passwords I inserted in knetwormanager have been saved, but now since I have a new home directory, they are gone, that is buried somewhere in my home directory.
Do you know in which file they have been saved?
thanks
Uwe
On Thursday 14 March 2013, Uwe Brauer wrote:
"Timothy" == Timothy Pearson kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net writes:
Ha, that did not occur to me, it worked!!! Thanks a lot, you saved me the trouble of reinstalling. :-D
BTW I have connected to many wifi places, home and abroad, and the passwords I inserted in knetwormanager have been saved, but now since I have a new home directory, they are gone, that is buried somewhere in my home directory.
Do you know in which file they have been saved?
Try to copy the files from: .trinity/share/apps/kwallet/*
from your saved ,trinity to your newly created .trinity directory.
Gerhard
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On 2013-03-14 21:46, Uwe Brauer wrote:
I have installed Kubuntu 10.04 with trinity 3.5.11 (I think) on a X60 Thinkpad Laptop. This morning the xerver freezed and I had to reboot,
I got a graphical login, could login, kde3 started, however the hard disk was in read only mode. So I rebooted again, this time it took almost 15 min to reboot, a sign that some hard disk problem occurred; (I have the jfs file system.)
Anyhow finally the machine booted again successfully, I got a graphical login but now I could *NOT* login, the password was accepted but instead the graphical login screen reappeared.
I could login on a terminal though. So I thought maybe the xorg.conf file was damaged. But this Kubuntu version does not have a xorg file anymore, as google told me.
The litany of problems you describe could indicate hardware failure. I have a ThinkPad R61 with Squeeze, and since the upgrade from Lenny I have had no end of trouble from it.
For example, sound only works intermittently. On two occasions the printer was detected, but I could only print one file before the printer was no longer detected. On booting the screen goes blank before booting is completed; on average I have to reboot 3.5 times before I can get a complete boot. Shutdown is never completed; I have to shut down manually after the computer stops after some of the shutdown processes are finished. Dolphin and Konqueror sometimes detect a CDROM when there is no CDROM in the drive, etc.
I ran the usual tests on the hard drive (smartmontools) and the memory (memtest). In both cases no errors were detected. So, either there is much wrong with Squeeze; or there is a hardware failure somewhere, perhaps in the southbridge -- or even both hardware and software failures.
The failure rate for laptops in the first three years after manufacture is upwards of 20%. My R61 was assembled in 2008 -- almost five years ago. So hardware failure is a real possibility.
On the assumption that some of the cited problems were software related I sent individual posts to various user lists about some of the specific problems. For all of them the people who responded remained as baffled as to their cause as I was. In one case a Debian developer as much as told me that he could not help me as long I have software installed which is not "pure" Debian -- such as Trinity.
Regards, Ken Heard
Am Sonntag, 17. März 2013 schrieb Ken Heard:
On 2013-03-14 21:46, Uwe Brauer wrote:
I have installed Kubuntu 10.04 with trinity 3.5.11 (I think) on a X60 Thinkpad Laptop. This morning the xerver freezed and I had to reboot,
I got a graphical login, could login, kde3 started, however the hard disk was in read only mode. So I rebooted again, this time it took almost 15 min to reboot, a sign that some hard disk problem occurred; (I have the jfs file system.)
Anyhow finally the machine booted again successfully, I got a graphical login but now I could *NOT* login, the password was accepted but instead the graphical login screen reappeared.
I could login on a terminal though. So I thought maybe the xorg.conf file was damaged. But this Kubuntu version does not have a xorg file anymore, as google told me.
The litany of problems you describe could indicate hardware failure. I have a ThinkPad R61 with Squeeze, and since the upgrade from Lenny I have had no end of trouble from it.
For example, sound only works intermittently. On two occasions the printer was detected, but I could only print one file before the printer was no longer detected. On booting the screen goes blank before booting is completed; on average I have to reboot 3.5 times before I can get a complete boot. Shutdown is never completed; I have to shut down manually after the computer stops after some of the shutdown processes are finished. Dolphin and Konqueror sometimes detect a CDROM when there is no CDROM in the drive, etc.
I ran the usual tests on the hard drive (smartmontools) and the memory (memtest). In both cases no errors were detected. So, either there is much wrong with Squeeze; or there is a hardware failure somewhere, perhaps in the southbridge -- or even both hardware and software failures.
The failure rate for laptops in the first three years after manufacture is upwards of 20%. My R61 was assembled in 2008 -- almost five years ago. So hardware failure is a real possibility.
On the assumption that some of the cited problems were software related I sent individual posts to various user lists about some of the specific problems. For all of them the people who responded remained as baffled as to their cause as I was. In one case a Debian developer as much as told me that he could not help me as long I have software installed which is not "pure" Debian -- such as Trinity.
Regards, Ken Heard
FWIW: I found on my X6* T6* that "laptop-mode" when configured with CONTROL_INTEL_SATA_MODE="1" causes "funny" faults that look like hardware defects.
Nik
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On 2013-03-17 15:09, Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
FWIW: I found on my X6* T6* that "laptop-mode" when configured with CONTROL_INTEL_SATA_MODE="1" causes "funny" faults that look like hardware defects.
Interesting. In my Lenovo R61 with Squeeze and xfs file system, my laptop-mode.conf file does not have CONTROL_INTEL_SATA_MODE. The only option with "SATA" in it is "ASSUME_SCSI_IS_SATA=1". The explanation for this option is:
# If this is enabled, laptop mode tools will assume that SCSI drives are # really SATA drives that only _look_ like SCSI drives, and will use # hdparm to control them. Set this to 0 if you have /dev/sd devices # and you want laptop mode tools to use the "sdparm" command to control # them.
Regards, Ken Heard
Interesting. In my Lenovo R61 with Squeeze and xfs file system, my laptop-mode.conf file does not have CONTROL_INTEL_SATA_MODE. The only option with "SATA" in it is "ASSUME_SCSI_IS_SATA=1". The explanation for this option is:
# If this is enabled, laptop mode tools will assume that SCSI drives are # really SATA drives that only _look_ like SCSI drives, and will use # hdparm to control them. Set this to 0 if you have /dev/sd devices # and you want laptop mode tools to use the "sdparm" command to control # them.
If I recall correctly, the SATA problems started after a kernel upgrade to 3.* - and changing from squeeze to wheezy. The ugly thing was that it looked like TDE was causing system hangs where in reality laptop-tools sent the harddrive to an agressive powersave mode from where it did not return when TDE tried to start a application. The problem with laptop-tools never vanished sice then on all X6* and T6*, it just changed quality. My latest running gag is not beeing able to shutdown propperly, because the SATA interface has gone to sleep before system halt is complete - and consequently the system waits for the hardrive to complete shutdown till power runs out.
Nik
said Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp: | > Interesting. In my Lenovo R61 with Squeeze and xfs file system, my | > laptop-mode.conf file does not have CONTROL_INTEL_SATA_MODE. The only | > option with "SATA" in it is "ASSUME_SCSI_IS_SATA=1". The explanation | > for this option is: | > | > # If this is enabled, laptop mode tools will assume that SCSI drives | > are # really SATA drives that only _look_ like SCSI drives, and will | > use # hdparm to control them. Set this to 0 if you have /dev/sd | > devices # and you want laptop mode tools to use the "sdparm" command | > to control # them. | | If I recall correctly, the SATA problems started after a kernel upgrade | to 3.* - and changing from squeeze to wheezy. The ugly thing was that it | looked like TDE was causing system hangs where in reality laptop-tools | sent the harddrive to an agressive powersave mode from where it did not | return when TDE tried to start a application. The problem with | laptop-tools never vanished sice then on all X6* and T6*, it just | changed quality. My latest running gag is not beeing able to shutdown | propperly, because the SATA interface has gone to sleep before system | halt is complete - and consequently the system waits for the hardrive to | complete shutdown till power runs out.
i think there is something flaky with pretty much every modern linux installation and pretty much every thinkpad. when i go chasing for fixes for problems i'm encountering with my X200 i find that what i'm encountering is common -- on thinkpads. these include as mentioned the failure (not always but often) to properly shut down (which i work around by going to a terminal -- alt-ctrl-f2, say) and doing a "sudo shutdown -h now"). they include, what is it, khelper consuming sufficient processor to make the mouse useless for about half an hour after startup. they include firefox's refusal about four-fifths of the time to shut down. this all worked with my previous install based on kubunto 10.04 lts, and all appeared with my upgrade to 12.04 lts.
maddening, really, and not enough time to dive in and sort it, presuming it can be sorted.
"Ken" == Ken Heard kenslists@teksavvy.com writes:
The litany of problems you describe could indicate hardware failure. I have a ThinkPad R61 with Squeeze, and since the upgrade from Lenny I have had no end of trouble from it.
Well there have been hardware problems on that machine: I had to exchange the BIOS batteries and the fan. I have the feeling that the hard disk is the next candidate, this time I was lucky that the crash only concerned files in the home directory next time I might not be that lucky and a complete reinstall is in order or a exchange of the hard disk.
The failure rate for laptops in the first three years after manufacture is upwards of 20%. My R61 was assembled in 2008 -- almost five years ago. So hardware failure is a real possibility.
I agree, when I compare my X200 or X60 to my old X41 I can really see the decline of reliability and sturdiness of the whole construction.
Uwe
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