14 Mar
2013
14 Mar
'13
2:46 p.m.
Hello
I have installed Kubuntu 10.04 with trinity 3.5.11 (I think) on a X60
Thinkpad Laptop.
This morning the xerver freezed and I had to reboot,
I got a graphical login, could login, kde3 started, however the hard
disk was in read only mode. So I rebooted again, this time it took
almost 15 min to reboot, a sign that some hard disk problem occurred; (I
have the jfs file system.)
Anyhow finally the machine booted again successfully, I got a graphical
login but now I could *NOT* login, the password was accepted but instead
the graphical login screen reappeared.
I could login on a terminal though. So I thought maybe the xorg.conf file
was damaged. But this Kubuntu version does not have a xorg file anymore,
as google told me.
So what can I do?
(1) sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org ???
(2) sudo X -configure?
(3) sudo dexconfiure -o xorg.con??
Any help is strongly appreciated, because the only other solution it to
try a _complete_ reinstall.
thanks
Uwe Brauer
14 Mar
14 Mar
6:44 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] crash, kde3, Xserver does not start any more
Hello
I have installed Kubuntu 10.04 with trinity 3.5.11 (I think) on a X60
Thinkpad Laptop.
This morning the xerver freezed and I had to reboot,
I got a graphical login, could login, kde3 started, however the hard
disk was in read only mode. So I rebooted again, this time it took
almost 15 min to reboot, a sign that some hard disk problem occurred; (I
have the jfs file system.)
Anyhow finally the machine booted again successfully, I got a graphical
login but now I could *NOT* login, the password was accepted but instead
the graphical login screen reappeared.
I could login on a terminal though. So I thought maybe the xorg.conf file
was damaged. But this Kubuntu version does not have a xorg file anymore,
as google told me.
So what can I do?
(1) sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org ???
(2) sudo X -configure?
(3) sudo dexconfiure -o xorg.con??
Any help is strongly appreciated, because the only other solution it to
try a _complete_ reinstall.
thanks
Uwe Brauer
My first suggestion would be to move (not copy) your home folder somewhere
safe, then try logging in again. If you can successfully log on with a
fresh home directory, then a configuration file was probably damaged. If
not, a complete reinstall is likely in order to repair damage to system
files.
Tim
8:59 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] crash, kde3, Xserver does not start any more
> "Timothy" == Timothy Pearson
<kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net> writes:
>
> thanks
>
> Uwe Brauer
>
My first suggestion would be to move (not copy) your
home folder somewhere
safe, then try logging in again. If you can successfully log on with a
fresh home directory, then a configuration file was probably damaged. If
not, a complete reinstall is likely in order to repair damage to system
files.
Ha, that did not occur to me, it worked!!! Thanks a lot, you saved me
the trouble of reinstalling. :-D
BTW I have connected to many wifi places, home and abroad, and the
passwords I inserted in knetwormanager have been saved, but now since I
have a new home directory, they are gone, that is buried somewhere in my
home directory.
Do you know in which file they have been saved?
thanks
Uwe
11:38 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] crash, kde3, Xserver does not start any more
On Thursday 14 March 2013, Uwe Brauer wrote:
Try to copy the files from:
.trinity/share/apps/kwallet/*
from your saved ,trinity to your newly created .trinity directory.
Gerhard
>
"Timothy" == Timothy Pearson <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net> writes:
Ha, that did not occur to me, it worked!!! Thanks a lot, you saved me
the trouble of reinstalling. :-D
BTW I have connected to many wifi places, home and abroad, and the
passwords I inserted in knetwormanager have been saved, but now since I
have a new home directory, they are gone, that is buried somewhere in my
home directory.
Do you know in which file they have been saved?
17 Mar
17 Mar
12:49 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] crash, kde3, Xserver does not start any more
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On 2013-03-14 21:46, Uwe Brauer wrote:
I have installed Kubuntu 10.04 with trinity 3.5.11 (I
think) on a
X60 Thinkpad Laptop. This morning the xerver freezed and I had to
reboot,
I got a graphical login, could login, kde3 started, however the
hard disk was in read only mode. So I rebooted again, this time it
took almost 15 min to reboot, a sign that some hard disk problem
occurred; (I have the jfs file system.)
Anyhow finally the machine booted again successfully, I got a
graphical login but now I could *NOT* login, the password was
accepted but instead the graphical login screen reappeared.
I could login on a terminal though. So I thought maybe the
xorg.conf file was damaged. But this Kubuntu version does not have
a xorg file anymore, as google told me.
The litany of problems you describe could indicate hardware failure.
I have a ThinkPad R61 with Squeeze, and since the upgrade from Lenny I
have had no end of trouble from it.
For example, sound only works intermittently. On two occasions the
printer was detected, but I could only print one file before the
printer was no longer detected. On booting the screen goes blank
before booting is completed; on average I have to reboot 3.5 times
before I can get a complete boot. Shutdown is never completed; I have
to shut down manually after the computer stops after some of the
shutdown processes are finished. Dolphin and Konqueror sometimes
detect a CDROM when there is no CDROM in the drive, etc.
I ran the usual tests on the hard drive (smartmontools) and the memory
(memtest). In both cases no errors were detected. So, either there
is much wrong with Squeeze; or there is a hardware failure somewhere,
perhaps in the southbridge -- or even both hardware and software
failures.
The failure rate for laptops in the first three years after
manufacture is upwards of 20%. My R61 was assembled in 2008 -- almost
five years ago. So hardware failure is a real possibility.
On the assumption that some of the cited problems were software
related I sent individual posts to various user lists about some of
the specific problems. For all of them the people who responded
remained as baffled as to their cause as I was. In one case a Debian
developer as much as told me that he could not help me as long I have
software installed which is not "pure" Debian -- such as Trinity.
Regards, Ken Heard
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8:09 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] crash, kde3, Xserver does not start any more
Am Sonntag, 17. März 2013 schrieb Ken Heard:
On 2013-03-14 21:46, Uwe Brauer wrote:
FWIW: I found on my X6* T6* that "laptop-mode" when configured with
CONTROL_INTEL_SATA_MODE="1" causes "funny" faults that look like
hardware
defects.
Nik
I have installed Kubuntu 10.04 with trinity
3.5.11 (I think) on a
X60 Thinkpad Laptop. This morning the xerver freezed and I had to
reboot,
I got a graphical login, could login, kde3 started, however the
hard disk was in read only mode. So I rebooted again, this time it
took almost 15 min to reboot, a sign that some hard disk problem
occurred; (I have the jfs file system.)
Anyhow finally the machine booted again successfully, I got a
graphical login but now I could *NOT* login, the password was
accepted but instead the graphical login screen reappeared.
I could login on a terminal though. So I thought maybe the
xorg.conf file was damaged. But this Kubuntu version does not have
a xorg file anymore, as google told me.
The litany of problems you describe could indicate hardware failure.
I have a ThinkPad R61 with Squeeze, and since the upgrade from Lenny I
have had no end of trouble from it.
For example, sound only works intermittently. On two occasions the
printer was detected, but I could only print one file before the
printer was no longer detected. On booting the screen goes blank
before booting is completed; on average I have to reboot 3.5 times
before I can get a complete boot. Shutdown is never completed; I have
to shut down manually after the computer stops after some of the
shutdown processes are finished. Dolphin and Konqueror sometimes
detect a CDROM when there is no CDROM in the drive, etc.
I ran the usual tests on the hard drive (smartmontools) and the memory
(memtest). In both cases no errors were detected. So, either there
is much wrong with Squeeze; or there is a hardware failure somewhere,
perhaps in the southbridge -- or even both hardware and software
failures.
The failure rate for laptops in the first three years after
manufacture is upwards of 20%. My R61 was assembled in 2008 -- almost
five years ago. So hardware failure is a real possibility.
On the assumption that some of the cited problems were software
related I sent individual posts to various user lists about some of
the specific problems. For all of them the people who responded
remained as baffled as to their cause as I was. In one case a Debian
developer as much as told me that he could not help me as long I have
software installed which is not "pure" Debian -- such as Trinity.
Regards, Ken Heard
25 Mar
25 Mar
1:45 a.m.
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On 2013-03-17 15:09, Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
FWIW: I found on my X6* T6* that
"laptop-mode" when configured with
CONTROL_INTEL_SATA_MODE="1" causes "funny" faults that look like
hardware defects.
Interesting. In my Lenovo R61 with Squeeze and xfs file system, my
laptop-mode.conf file does not have CONTROL_INTEL_SATA_MODE. The only
option with "SATA" in it is "ASSUME_SCSI_IS_SATA=1". The explanation
for this option is:
# If this is enabled, laptop mode tools will assume that SCSI drives are
# really SATA drives that only _look_ like SCSI drives, and will use
# hdparm to control them. Set this to 0 if you have /dev/sd devices
# and you want laptop mode tools to use the "sdparm" command to
control # them.
Regards, Ken Heard
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8:11 a.m.
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Interesting. In my Lenovo R61 with Squeeze and xfs
file system, my
laptop-mode.conf file does not have CONTROL_INTEL_SATA_MODE. The only
option with "SATA" in it is "ASSUME_SCSI_IS_SATA=1". The
explanation
for this option is:
# If this is enabled, laptop mode tools will assume that SCSI drives are
# really SATA drives that only _look_ like SCSI drives, and will use
# hdparm to control them. Set this to 0 if you have /dev/sd devices
# and you want laptop mode tools to use the "sdparm" command to
control # them.
If I recall correctly, the SATA problems started after a kernel upgrade to
3.* - and changing from squeeze to wheezy. The ugly thing was that it looked
like TDE was causing system hangs where in reality laptop-tools sent the
harddrive to an agressive powersave mode from where it did not return when
TDE tried to start a application. The problem with laptop-tools never
vanished sice then on all X6* and T6*, it just changed quality. My latest
running gag is not beeing able to shutdown propperly, because the SATA
interface has gone to sleep before system halt is complete - and consequently
the system waits for the hardrive to complete shutdown till power runs out.
Nik
10:56 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] crash, kde3, Xserver does not start any more
said Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp:
| > Interesting. In my Lenovo R61 with Squeeze and xfs file system, my
| > laptop-mode.conf file does not have CONTROL_INTEL_SATA_MODE. The only
| > option with "SATA" in it is "ASSUME_SCSI_IS_SATA=1". The
explanation
| > for this option is:
| >
| > # If this is enabled, laptop mode tools will assume that SCSI drives
| > are # really SATA drives that only _look_ like SCSI drives, and will
| > use # hdparm to control them. Set this to 0 if you have /dev/sd
| > devices # and you want laptop mode tools to use the "sdparm" command
| > to control # them.
|
| If I recall correctly, the SATA problems started after a kernel upgrade
| to 3.* - and changing from squeeze to wheezy. The ugly thing was that it
| looked like TDE was causing system hangs where in reality laptop-tools
| sent the harddrive to an agressive powersave mode from where it did not
| return when TDE tried to start a application. The problem with
| laptop-tools never vanished sice then on all X6* and T6*, it just
| changed quality. My latest running gag is not beeing able to shutdown
| propperly, because the SATA interface has gone to sleep before system
| halt is complete - and consequently the system waits for the hardrive to
| complete shutdown till power runs out.
i think there is something flaky with pretty much every modern linux
installation and pretty much every thinkpad. when i go chasing for fixes
for problems i'm encountering with my X200 i find that what i'm
encountering is common -- on thinkpads. these include as mentioned the
failure (not always but often) to properly shut down (which i work around
by going to a terminal -- alt-ctrl-f2, say) and doing a "sudo shutdown -h
now"). they include, what is it, khelper consuming sufficient processor to
make the mouse useless for about half an hour after startup. they include
firefox's refusal about four-fifths of the time to shut down. this all
worked with my previous install based on kubunto 10.04 lts, and all
appeared with my upgrade to 12.04 lts.
maddening, really, and not enough time to dive in and sort it, presuming it
can be sorted.
--
dep
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17 Mar
17 Mar
2:20 p.m.
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> "Ken" == Ken Heard
<kenslists(a)teksavvy.com> writes:
The litany of problems you describe could indicate
hardware failure.
I have a ThinkPad R61 with Squeeze, and since the upgrade from Lenny I
have had no end of trouble from it.
Well there have been hardware problems on that machine: I had to
exchange the BIOS batteries and the fan. I have the feeling that the
hard disk is the next candidate, this time I was lucky that the crash
only concerned files in the home directory next time I might not be that
lucky and a complete reinstall is in order or a exchange of the hard
disk.
The failure rate for laptops in the first three years
after
manufacture is upwards of 20%. My R61 was assembled in 2008 --
almost five years ago. So hardware failure is a real possibility.
I agree, when I compare my X200 or X60 to my old X41 I can really see
the decline of reliability and sturdiness of the whole construction.
Uwe
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