5 May
2023
5 May
'23
5:32 p.m.
Hi
TDE 14.1.0 is cleaning up the default layouts from
/etc/default/keyboard, so KKBSwitch doesn't work now.
New users with clean configuration also cannot to switch the keyboard
layout!
Why does that performed for?
6 May
6 May
5:15 a.m.
On 2023/05/06 02:32 AM, Roman Savochenko via tde-users wrote:
Hi
TDE 14.1.0 is cleaning up the default layouts from /etc/default/keyboard, so KKBSwitch
doesn't work now.
New users with clean configuration also cannot to switch the keyboard layout!
Why does that performed for?
Hi Roman,
there has been some updates on kxkb related to switching keyboard layout, to bring it
inline with setxkbmap. Changing
keyboard layout is definitely possible, I would even say it works better than before.
Although I don't use it, I just tested kkbswitch and it works fine. I can change
keyboard layout in kkbswitch and see
the changes reflected in kxkb and viceversa. But with the new kxkb functionality,
kkbswitch is probably not even needed
any more.
I know of several users who use 2 or more keyboard layouts and they do not have any issue
at all. Also user sessions
won't be permitted to write into /etc directly, so there must be something else going
on in your system.
Cheers
Michele
6:07 a.m.
Hi, Michele
06.05.23 08:15, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
there has been some updates on kxkb related to
switching keyboard
layout, to bring it inline with setxkbmap. Changing keyboard layout is
definitely possible, I would even say it works better than before.
I know about the changes, but why "the changes" breaks the default
behaviour intrudes to the default configuration if I haven't enabled them?
Although I don't use it, I just tested kkbswitch
and it works fine. I
can change keyboard layout in kkbswitch and see the changes reflected
in kxkb and viceversa. But with the new kxkb functionality, kkbswitch
is probably not even needed any more.
All layouts were gone in my case after updating to 14.1.0, so kkbswitch
have neither for switching already.
I know of several users who use 2 or more keyboard layouts and they do
not have any issue at all. Also user sessions won't be permitted to
write into /etc directly, so there must be something else going on in
your system.
But I have, my users will have and I cannot to use "the changes" at all
since the list of the key combination for the layout switching is empty,
not synced in the tab "Layouts" and "Xkb Options" and doesn't have
my
key combination lctrl_lshift_toggle, which is discouraging "the
changes", I assume.
Regards, Roman
6:49 a.m.
I know of several users who use 2 or more keyboard layouts and they do not have any issue
at all. Also user sessions
won't be permitted to write into /etc directly, so there must be something else going
on in your system.
But I have, my users will have and I cannot to use "the changes" at all since
the list of the key combination for the
layout switching is empty, not synced in the tab "Layouts" and "Xkb
Options" and doesn't have my key combination
lctrl_lshift_toggle, which is discouraging "the changes", I assume.
7:11 a.m.
06.05.23 09:49, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
not sure what went wrong on your system, but I have attached a
screenshot of what the keyboard layout XKbOption tab should look like.
Plenty of options there, even if my /etc/default/keyboard file is just
a few lines and pretty much empty (less than 10 lines).
The tab has correct look on the locale "en_US.UTF-8" and hasn't on my
"uk_UA.UTF-8", but on 14.0.13 the tab look is true always.
And the default Kxb configuration is cleaned independently from the locale.
I know of several users who use 2 or more keyboard layouts and they
do not have any issue at all. Also user sessions won't be permitted
to write into /etc directly, so there must be something else going
on in your system.
But I have, my users will have and I cannot to use "the changes" at
all since the list of the key combination for the layout switching is
empty, not synced in the tab "Layouts" and "Xkb Options" and
doesn't
have my key combination lctrl_lshift_toggle, which is discouraging
"the changes", I assume.
In Debian, no tdebase-related package writes in
/etc/default/keyboard
and moreover the settings for kxkb are stored in
~/.trinity/share/config/kxkbrc.
That is Debian 11.
Not sure what your distro is, but it seems the problem
is something
local to your own system, since so far no one else has reported
problems with keyboard layout switching so far.
Happy to look to further into this issue, if you can find out what is
wrong and I can reproduce the problem here.
Try for changing the locale.
7:51 a.m.
On 2023/05/06 04:11 PM, Roman Savochenko via tde-users wrote:
Try for changing the locale.
Hi Roman,
1) I changed my machine to "uk_UA.UTF-8" and rebooted, but still I couldn't
replicate the issue (see screenshot which
shows the locale settings, gajim showing some Ukrainian text and the kxkb XKbOption tab
still populated with all the
various key combinations).
2) Then I installed tde-i18n-uk and changed TDE text to Ukrainian. In this case I could
see that the key combinations
were missing, exactly as in your screenshot.
3) I changed back the locale to en_US.UTF-8, rebooted and repeated the test. When TDE is
switched to Ukrainian language,
the key combinations are missing.
4) I installed the Russian language (assuming it is similar to Ukrainian language) and in
such case the key combination
are visible (see second screenshot).
So it seems it is something related to the Ukrainian language translations. Hope this will
point you into the right
direction to fix it.
Cheers
Michele
8:15 a.m.
On Saturday 06 May 2023 00:11:35 Roman Savochenko via tde-users wrote:
The tab has correct look on the locale "en_US.UTF-8" and hasn't on my
"uk_UA.UTF-8", but on 14.0.13 the tab look is true always.
And the default Kxb configuration is cleaned independently from the locale.
Myself, I don't switch locales for anything except text documents, as I
sometimes want to insert text, and changing locales helps to keep my office
program from trying to "correct" my changes. For my interface, though, I like
it to stay in my own language, so I can see how that would be really
annoying. Since English is the default, however, I don't usually have to deal
with such a mess, but I have sometimes had problems with locale.
I might be way off here, as I have only been skimming over this thread, but I
wondered, have you tried localepurge?
Not sure that this is what you need, but removing unnecessary locales might
help. Otherwise, I change my language settings in the Trinity Control Center
In Debian, no tdebase-related package writes in
/etc/default/keyboard
and moreover the settings for kxkb are stored in
~/.trinity/share/config/kxkbrc.
That is Debian 11.
Not sure what your distro is, but it seems the
problem is something
local to your own system, since so far no one else has reported
problems with keyboard layout switching so far.
Happy to look to further into this issue, if you can find out what is
wrong and I can reproduce the problem here.
Try for changing the locale. System Administration > Login Manager. (The same
option is available when
first booting into TDE, where you can configure the Secure
Attention Key,
etc.)
Bill
P.S. Another user, Andre, in another thread, "Logout, deconnection, reboot
window", mentioned problems with language settings in the user interface. I
don't know if these could be related, or if these suggestions might apply to
his case, but it sounded familiar to me.
7 May
7 May
11:53 a.m.
Hi, Michele
06.05.23 10:51, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
So it seems it is something related to the Ukrainian
language
translations. Hope this will point you into the right direction to fix
it.
That related in marking for translation not translatable messages by the
function i18n() and in case of kcmlayout.cpp that is "grp" and keys.
And the problem is represented at Ukrainain language due to me have
translated that significantly, including "grp" and so on.
So, I have fixed "the changes" by appending of using the system
configuration at disabling the "Layouts using" in TDE, as that must be.
I am going to test the patch some time yet.
12 May
12 May
8:53 p.m.
Hi, Michele
07.05.23 16:03, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
On 2023/05/07 08:53 PM, Roman Savochenko via tde-users
wrote:
So, I have expanded and widely tested the patch and it performs:
• preventing translation untranslatable messages like to "grp" and keys
• loading the system XKB configuration at disabling TDE Layouts with
overriding the XKB options from the tab "Options Xkb"
• applying TDE Layouts at its enable
Also I removed the controversial part "Modes" in the tab "Options
Xkb"!
Now that fine works for me.
Regards. Roman
I am going to test the patch some time yet.
Thanks for the patch Roman. Please feedback after "the test" and we
will then look at merging it.
13 May
13 May
6:36 a.m.
On 2023/05/13 05:53 AM, Roman Savochenko via tde-users wrote:
Hi, Michele
07.05.23 16:03, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
Hi Roman,
thanks for the patch, the testing and the feedback.
I will look into the patch code in the coming week and do a selecting merging of the parts
needed. For example, the
"Modes" radio buttons are there for a specific reason, so they are going to
stay. But the translation of "grp" doesn't
make much sense so it makes sense not to translate that.
Cheers
Michele
On 2023/05/07 08:53 PM, Roman Savochenko via
tde-users wrote:
So, I have expanded and widely tested the patch and it performs:
• preventing translation untranslatable messages like to "grp" and keys
• loading the system XKB configuration at disabling TDE Layouts with overriding the XKB
options from the tab "Options Xkb"
• applying TDE Layouts at its enable
Also I removed the controversial part "Modes" in the tab "Options
Xkb"!
Now that fine works for me.
I am going to test the patch some time yet.
Thanks for the patch Roman. Please feedback after "the test" and we will
then look at merging it.
7:09 a.m.
13.05.23 09:36, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
On 2023/05/13 05:53 AM, Roman Savochenko via tde-users
wrote:
I will look into the patch code in the coming week and do a selecting
merging of the parts needed. For example, the "Modes" radio buttons
are there for a specific reason, so they are going to stay. But the
translation of "grp" doesn't make much sense so it makes sense not to
translate that.
There is no reason with the "Modes" radio buttons and they don't work
properly at clearing some options!
15 May
15 May
4:52 a.m.
Hi, Michele
13.05.23 09:36, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
On 2023/05/13 05:53 AM, Roman Savochenko via tde-users
wrote:
I will look into the patch code in the coming week and do a selecting
merging of the parts needed. For example, the "Modes" radio buttons
are there for a specific reason, so they are going to stay. But the
translation of "grp" doesn't make much sense so it makes sense not to
translate that.
Look into the last patch where I have fixed-prevented of displaying an
incorrect layout at the KXKB start (last one) due to
KXKBApp::slotGroupChanged() can receive group number outside their whole
count, 22 in my case. Also I removed from KXKB only the options reading,
since it is used always with TDE Layouts.
8:48 a.m.
On 2023/05/15 01:52 PM, Roman Savochenko via tde-users wrote:
Hi, Michele
13.05.23 09:36, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
Thanks Roman, will do :-)
Cheers
Michele
On 2023/05/13 05:53 AM, Roman Savochenko via
tde-users wrote:
I will look into the patch code in the coming week and do a selecting merging of the
parts needed. For example, the
"Modes" radio buttons are there for a specific reason, so they are going to
stay. But the translation of "grp" doesn't
make much sense so it makes sense not to translate that.
Look into the last patch where I have fixed-prevented of displaying an incorrect layout
at the KXKB start (last one) due
to KXKBApp::slotGroupChanged() can receive group number outside their whole count, 22 in
my case. Also I removed from
KXKB only the options reading, since it is used always with TDE Layouts.
30 Jun
30 Jun
7:31 a.m.
On 2023/05/15 01:52 PM, Roman Savochenko via tde-users wrote:
Hi, Michele
13.05.23 09:36, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
Hi Roman,
for information, part of your patch has been merged into TDE code (see
https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/pulls/369). Part of the patch has
not been merged because it
does not fit with the new functionality provided in R14.1.0, so if you want to keep using
that you will need to handle
that in your own local builds
R14.1.1 will reintroduce the ability to set a TDE keyboard shortcut to change layout, as
well as additional TDE
shortcuts to change layouts in kbbswitch.
Thanks for the original patch!
Cheers
Michele
On 2023/05/13 05:53 AM, Roman Savochenko via
tde-users wrote:
I will look into the patch code in the coming week and do a selecting merging of the
parts needed. For example, the
"Modes" radio buttons are there for a specific reason, so they are going to
stay. But the translation of "grp" doesn't
make much sense so it makes sense not to translate that.
Look into the last patch where I have fixed-prevented of displaying an incorrect layout
at the KXKB start (last one) due
to KXKBApp::slotGroupChanged() can receive group number outside their whole count, 22 in
my case. Also I removed from
KXKB only the options reading, since it is used always with TDE Layouts.
12 Jul
12 Jul
5:48 a.m.
Hi, Michele
30.06.23 10:31, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
Sure I will and I am doing that all time of using TDE. :)
Look into the
last patch where I have fixed-prevented of displaying
an incorrect layout at the KXKB start (last one) due to
KXKBApp::slotGroupChanged() can receive group number outside their
whole count, 22 in my case. Also I removed from KXKB only the options
reading, since it is used always with TDE Layouts.
for information, part of your patch has been merged into TDE code (see
https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/pulls/369).
Part of the patch has not been merged because it does not fit with the
new functionality provided in R14.1.0, so if you want to keep using
that you will need to handle that in your own local builds Thanks for the original patch!
Please!
Regards, Roman
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