In a way this is a test; if the message shows up, then the bounce message (see below) is false so excuse the noise.
I did write to users-owner@trinitydesktop.org but got no reply.
Hopefully resolved so pardon the noise.
fjd
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On Thursday 10 November 2022 18:35:56 fjd wrote:
In a way this is a test; if the message shows up, then the bounce message (see below) is false so excuse the noise.
I did write to users-owner@trinitydesktop.org but got no reply.
Hopefully resolved so pardon the noise.
fjd
Message received here, so you would seem to be good to go.
Bill
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 03:35:56 +0100 fjd moelmoel2714@gmail.com wrote:
In a way this is a test; if the message shows up, then the bounce message (see below) is false so excuse the noise.
The TDE mailing lists have a long history of not "playing nice" with GMail (the addition of the list footer causes messages to fail a verification step, which makes GMail have fits). If you can resubscribe from a non-GMail address, you'll probably get better results.
E. Liddell
On Friday 11 of November 2022 15:56:09 E. Liddell wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 03:35:56 +0100
fjd moelmoel2714@gmail.com wrote:
In a way this is a test; if the message shows up, then the bounce message (see below) is false so excuse the noise.
The TDE mailing lists have a long history of not "playing nice" with GMail (the addition of the list footer causes messages to fail a verification step, which makes GMail have fits). If you can resubscribe from a non-GMail address, you'll probably get better results.
E. Liddell ____________________________________________________
Hi all,
in connection with the fact that problems with delivery posts to Gmail have recently increased, we set up on the mail server signing with DKIM. This is now used if the message is created on the server (for example, for confirm subscription to ML) or for mails, where the sender's address is replaced (or example, due to non-useful SPF) - see emails with sender in form: "<user> via tde-users" users@trinitydesktop.org.
Now the question arises: Do we want to force the replacing the sender's address for all cases so that all outgoing posts can be signed using our DKIM key? What is your opinion?
Cheers
On Fri November 11 2022 08:14:12 Slávek Banko wrote:
in connection with the fact that problems with delivery posts to Gmail have recently increased, we set up on the mail server signing with DKIM. This is now used if the message is created on the server (for example, for confirm subscription to ML) or for mails, where the sender's address is replaced (or example, due to non-useful SPF) - see emails with sender in form: "<user> via tde-users" users@trinitydesktop.org.
Now the question arises: Do we want to force the replacing the sender's address for all cases so that all outgoing posts can be signed using our DKIM key? What is your opinion?
I had this problem with GMail (and Yahoo and others) on some lists I run. I found SPF+DMARC was sufficient to get list posts to GMail. SPF+DMARC fixed all problems except one - Yahoo users couldn't see posts from other Yahoo users. However IIRC there were only two Yahoo users and they both switched to GMail.
I believe it is sufficient that SPF matches on the SENDER domain and doesn't need to match the FROM domain. For example this post will probably end up with something like the following headers:
Return-Path: users-bounces@trinitydesktop.org From: Mike Bird mgb-trinity@yosemite.net
We were testing DKIM but it was complicated with mailing lists so when SPF+DMARC 99% solved the problem we decided not to deploy DKIM (yet).
I would suggest that you announce SPF and DMARC for trinitydesktop.org. You can copy/adapt our TXT records as a starting point if you wish.
You might also want to do a Google Site Verification. I no longer remember the details but I believe it was useful when we were working on our own mailing list problems:
https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/9008080?hl=en
One other thing we tried was setting up a new mail server with no bad history. That did not work. It is much harder to get the big players to accept mail from a new server than it used to be.
--Mike
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