In my last email I asked:
" How do you delete those local folders to set up KMAIL as MAIL DIR?"
It looks like the local folders that are there now, use .mbx format, because I see a COMPACT option, when you right click on the folders.
I am also needing to know how do I set up a MAILDIR directory to copy over from Evolution to KMAIL?
Thanks, Chris
CM030@YAHOO.COM
On Thursday 16 May 2024 21.16:06 c. marlow via tde-users wrote:
In my last email I asked:
" How do you delete those local folders to set up KMAIL as MAIL DIR?"
It looks like the local folders that are there now, use .mbx format, because I see a COMPACT option, when you right click on the folders.
The format is set in Settings/Configure kmail/Misc
In my case, it's maildir, and I do have the compact option in the menu.
I am also needing to know how do I set up a MAILDIR directory to copy over from Evolution to KMAIL?
Not sure, but I think if you copy your maildir messages in the mail directory (~/.trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail) kmail should (re)create it's index files. If your messages are allready in directories, I would create the corresponding directories in kmail and copy the files in those.
When I setup a new machine I usually copy the mail directory from my main machine (plus the kmail files from .trinity/share/config).
Maybe the import option can be used, but I can't test.
Thanks, Chris
CM030@YAHOO.COM
Thierry
I just googled what my issue could be and tried installing
akonadi-import-wizard
Nope, IMPORT is still greyed out in KMAIL.
I am just going to have to wait it out until someone can answer me, lol, I am STUMPED.
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On Sunday 19 May 2024 14.50:22 Chris M via tde-users wrote:
I just googled what my issue could be and tried installing
akonadi-import-wizard
Nope, IMPORT is still greyed out in KMAIL.
I am just going to have to wait it out until someone can answer me, lol, I am STUMPED.
What kmail are you trying to use? AFAIK Akonadi belongs to KDE, and is not used by TDE.
There is no IMPORT in TDE's kmail. It should be File -> Import messages and it opens a window named KMailCVT Import tool that gives you access to the different import formats.
Thierry
On Sunday 19 May 2024 09:26:29 am Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote:
On Sunday 19 May 2024 14.50:22 Chris M via tde-users wrote:
I just googled what my issue could be and tried installing
akonadi-import-wizard
Nope, IMPORT is still greyed out in KMAIL.
I am just going to have to wait it out until someone can answer me, lol, I am STUMPED.
What kmail are you trying to use? AFAIK Akonadi belongs to KDE, and is not used by TDE.
There is no IMPORT in TDE's kmail. It should be File -> Import messages and it opens a window named KMailCVT Import tool that gives you access to the different import formats.
This is KMAIL 1.9.10
AH HA! I figured it out. I had to install TDEKMAILCVT.
For some reason that package was not installed.
I am now able to use KMAIL.
My Final question is, where does KMAIL store email? And how do I back it up.
in EVO, I just go to FILE > Make backup and it tar.gz's the whole directory for me.
Thanks, Chris
On Sunday 19 May 2024 17.07:49 Chris M via tde-users wrote:
AH HA! I figured it out. I had to install TDEKMAILCVT.
For some reason that package was not installed.
I am now able to use KMAIL.
Good! :)
My Final question is, where does KMAIL store email? And how do I back it up.
The mails are stored in .trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail
I have moved the kmail directory to another partition (it grows, and I like to keep my Home relatively small).
I don't know of a build-in backup, I simply compact the mail directory from time to time and save the archive, then delete "older" mails I don't expect to need. If I do need some old thing, I copy the current "mail" somewhere, restore the oder version, find my message, delete the "new" mail and restore the old one. Works for me.
kmail then sometime complan about the indexes and recreates them, but I haven't got problems with this.
On Sunday 19 May 2024 10:49:52 am Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote:
I don't know of a build-in backup, I simply compact the mail directory from time to time and save the archive, then delete "older" mails I don't expect to need. If I do need some old thing, I copy the current "mail" somewhere, restore the oder version, find my message, delete the "new" mail and restore the old one. Works for me.
Oh, you still have to compact the folders? In Evolution you don't have to, due to it using the MH Format.
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On 2024-05-19 10:49:52 Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote:
On Sunday 19 May 2024 17.07:49 Chris M via tde-users wrote:
AH HA! I figured it out. I had to install TDEKMAILCVT.
For some reason that package was not installed.
I am now able to use KMAIL.
Good! :)
My Final question is, where does KMAIL store email? And how do I back it up.
The mails are stored in .trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail
--- snip ---
Yes. IMO storing user data in an application's config space is BAD PRACTICE; and there is no user-oriented method for overriding this, the user has to discover where it is stored, then modify .trinity/share/config/kmailrc manually. :-(
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On Monday 20 May 2024 01:53:16 am J Leslie Turriff via tde-users wrote:
Yes. IMO storing user data in an application's config space is BAD PRACTICE; and there is no user-oriented method for overriding this, the user has to discover where it is stored, then modify .trinity/share/config/kmailrc manually. :-(
Leslie
If I could figure it out, without screwing up KMAIL, I TOTALLY would move my "mail" folder to /home.
That would be a lot easier to get to then having to navigate to:
.trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail
Anno domini 2024 Mon, 20 May 08:55:56 -0500 Chris M via tde-users scripsit:
On Monday 20 May 2024 01:53:16 am J Leslie Turriff via tde-users wrote:
Yes. IMO storing user data in an application's config space is BAD PRACTICE; and there is no user-oriented method for overriding this, the user has to discover where it is stored, then modify .trinity/share/config/kmailrc manually. :-(
Leslie
If I could figure it out, without screwing up KMAIL, I TOTALLY would move my "mail" folder to /home.
That would be a lot easier to get to then having to navigate to:
.trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail
cd tar cJf backup-kmail.tar.xz .trinity/share/config/kmailrc .trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail killall kmail sed 's#^(folders=).*$#\1=$HOME/mail" -i .trinity/share/config/kmailrc mv .trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail . kmail
enjoy .. (you might edit .trinity/share/config/kmailrc by hand if you like)
Nik
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On Monday 20 May 2024 16.29:39 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
If I could figure it out, without screwing up KMAIL, I TOTALLY would move my "mail" folder to /home.
(...)
cd tar cJf backup-kmail.tar.xz .trinity/share/config/kmailrc .trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail killall kmail sed 's#^(folders=).*$#\1=$HOME/mail" -i .trinity/share/config/kmailrc mv .trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail . kmail
Impressive.
Another simple way: use konqueror. Assuming you have set "show hidden files" and use two panes:
In one pane open .trinity/share/apps/kmail In the other open home Copy the mail disrectory to home Click on that directory and drop in ./trinity/share/apps/kmail Choose "Link here" done
Thierry
On Monday 20 May 2024 09:29:39 am Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2024 Mon, 20 May 08:55:56 -0500
Chris M via tde-users scripsit:
On Monday 20 May 2024 01:53:16 am J Leslie Turriff via tde-users wrote:
Yes. IMO storing user data in an application's config space is BAD PRACTICE; and there is no user-oriented method for overriding this, the user has to discover where it is stored, then modify .trinity/share/config/kmailrc manually. :-(
Leslie
If I could figure it out, without screwing up KMAIL, I TOTALLY would move my "mail" folder to /home.
That would be a lot easier to get to then having to navigate to:
.trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail
cd tar cJf backup-kmail.tar.xz .trinity/share/config/kmailrc .trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail killall kmail sed 's#^(folders=).*$#\1=$HOME/mail" -i .trinity/share/config/kmailrc mv .trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail . kmail
enjoy .. (you might edit .trinity/share/config/kmailrc by hand if you like)
Does that get ran as one long command or are those separate commands?
Anno domini 2024 Mon, 20 May 10:02:56 -0500 Chris M via tde-users scripsit:
On Monday 20 May 2024 09:29:39 am Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2024 Mon, 20 May 08:55:56 -0500
Chris M via tde-users scripsit:
On Monday 20 May 2024 01:53:16 am J Leslie Turriff via tde-users wrote:
Yes. IMO storing user data in an application's config space is BAD PRACTICE; and there is no user-oriented method for overriding this, the user has to discover where it is stored, then modify .trinity/share/config/kmailrc manually. :-(
Leslie
If I could figure it out, without screwing up KMAIL, I TOTALLY would move my "mail" folder to /home.
That would be a lot easier to get to then having to navigate to:
.trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail
cd tar cJf backup-kmail.tar.xz .trinity/share/config/kmailrc .trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail killall kmail sed 's#^(folders=).*$#\1=$HOME/mail" -i .trinity/share/config/kmailrc mv .trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail . kmail
enjoy .. (you might edit .trinity/share/config/kmailrc by hand if you like)
Does that get ran as one long command or are those separate commands?
each in one line. If you are brave skip the tar :)
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On Monday 20 May 2024 10:28:09 am Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2024 Mon, 20 May 10:02:56 -0500
Chris M via tde-users scripsit:
On Monday 20 May 2024 09:29:39 am Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2024 Mon, 20 May 08:55:56 -0500
Chris M via tde-users scripsit:
On Monday 20 May 2024 01:53:16 am J Leslie Turriff via tde-users
wrote:
Yes. IMO storing user data in an application's config space is BAD PRACTICE; and there is no user-oriented method for overriding this, the user has to discover where it is stored, then modify .trinity/share/config/kmailrc manually. :-(
Leslie
If I could figure it out, without screwing up KMAIL, I TOTALLY would move my "mail" folder to /home.
That would be a lot easier to get to then having to navigate to:
.trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail
cd tar cJf backup-kmail.tar.xz .trinity/share/config/kmailrc .trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail killall kmail sed 's#^(folders=).*$#\1=$HOME/mail" -i .trinity/share/config/kmailrc mv .trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail . kmail
Does that get ran as one long command or are those separate commands?
each in one line. If you are brave skip the tar :)
So basically:
cd tar cJf backup-kmail.tar.xz .trinity/share/config/kmailrc .trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail killall kmail
sed 's#^(folders=).*$#\1=$HOME/mail" -i .trinity/share/config/kmailrc
mv .trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail .kmail
Like that?
Anno domini 2024 Mon, 20 May 13:29:00 -0500 Chris M via tde-users scripsit:
On Monday 20 May 2024 10:28:09 am Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2024 Mon, 20 May 10:02:56 -0500
Chris M via tde-users scripsit:
On Monday 20 May 2024 09:29:39 am Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2024 Mon, 20 May 08:55:56 -0500
Chris M via tde-users scripsit:
On Monday 20 May 2024 01:53:16 am J Leslie Turriff via tde-users
wrote:
Yes. IMO storing user data in an application's config space is BAD PRACTICE; and there is no user-oriented method for overriding this, the user has to discover where it is stored, then modify .trinity/share/config/kmailrc manually. :-(
Leslie
If I could figure it out, without screwing up KMAIL, I TOTALLY would move my "mail" folder to /home.
That would be a lot easier to get to then having to navigate to:
.trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail
cd tar cJf backup-kmail.tar.xz .trinity/share/config/kmailrc .trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail killall kmail sed 's#^(folders=).*$#\1=$HOME/mail" -i .trinity/share/config/kmailrc mv .trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail . kmail
Does that get ran as one long command or are those separate commands?
each in one line. If you are brave skip the tar :)
So basically:
cd tar cJf backup-kmail.tar.xz .trinity/share/config/kmailrc .trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail killall kmail
sed 's#^(folders=).*$#\1=$HOME/mail" -i .trinity/share/config/kmailrc
mv .trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail .kmail
Like that?
$ cd
$ tar cJf backup-kmail.tar.xz .trinity/share/config/kmailrc .trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail killall kmail
$ sed 's#^(folders=).*$#\1=$HOME/mail" -i .trinity/share/config/kmailrc
$ mv .trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail .kmail
$ kmail
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On Monday 20 May 2024 04:15:35 pm Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
$ cd
$ tar cJf backup-kmail.tar.xz .trinity/share/config/kmailrc .trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail killall kmail
$ sed 's#^(folders=).*$#\1=$HOME/mail" -i .trinity/share/config/kmailrc
$ mv .trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail .kmail
$ kmail
Ahhhh, Thanks.
I am starting to wonder if I should just use my Fastmail Account and IMAP and give up all this complicated backing up of emails. :X. #DontBurnMeAtTheStake. :P
On Monday 20 May 2024 07:14:56 pm you wrote:
On Monday 20 May 2024 04:15:35 pm Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
$ cd
$ tar cJf backup-kmail.tar.xz .trinity/share/config/kmailrc .trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail killall kmail
$ sed 's#^(folders=).*$#\1=$HOME/mail" -i .trinity/share/config/kmailrc
$ mv .trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail .kmail
$ kmail
Ahhhh, Thanks.
I am starting to wonder if I should just use my Fastmail Account and IMAP and give up all this complicated backing up of emails. :X. #DontBurnMeAtTheStake. :P
Chris M via tde-users wrote:
Ahhhh, Thanks.
I am starting to wonder if I should just use my Fastmail Account and IMAP and give up all this complicated backing up of emails. :X. #DontBurnMeAtTheStake. :P
I already forgot what you are using ATM. I have setup a domain with mail and I use KMail with IMAP at a server we share with a small community. However it is hard to fight spam, otherwise it is working fine. I was also wondering to either pay for a spam filter tool or for a service. If Fastmail offers spam filtering (I bet they are) it is definitely a point. The other thing that developed in the past 10y or so is DKIM and SPF, so now it is very challenging to operate a SMTP server.
On Tuesday 21 May 2024 06:23:02 pm deloptes via tde-users wrote:
I already forgot what you are using ATM. I have setup a domain with mail and I use KMail with IMAP at a server we share with a small community. However it is hard to fight spam, otherwise it is working fine. I was also wondering to either pay for a spam filter tool or for a service. If Fastmail offers spam filtering (I bet they are) it is definitely a point. The other thing that developed in the past 10y or so is DKIM and SPF, so now it is very challenging to operate a SMTP server.
A free Yahoo account right now. And I noticed that I can't sign up for some mail lists and I am not getting replies from Reddit.com when someone replies to me
said Chris M via tde-users:
| A free Yahoo account right now. And I noticed that I can't sign up for | some mail lists and I am not getting replies from Reddit.com when | someone replies to me
Lucky you!
If this is the concern, set up a free ProtonMail account and tell Reddit to send your mail there. If you want, it takes under five minutes to get and set up ElectronMail (https://github.com/vladimiry/ElectronMail), which will also annoy you with notifications.
On 2024-05-20 08:55:56 Chris M via tde-users wrote:
On Monday 20 May 2024 01:53:16 am J Leslie Turriff via tde-users wrote:
Yes. IMO storing user data in an application's config space is BAD PRACTICE; and there is no user-oriented method for overriding this, the user has to discover where it is stored, then modify .trinity/share/config/kmailrc manually. :-(
Leslie
If I could figure it out, without screwing up KMAIL, I TOTALLY would move my "mail" folder to /home.
That would be a lot easier to get to then having to navigate to:
.trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail
The line | folders[$e]=$HOME/.trinity/share/apps/kmail/mail in the | [General] section of .trinity/share/config/kmailrc points to the location of the mail directory. You have to quit kmail, edit .trinity/share/config/kmailrc manually to change it, move the mail directory to its new location, then restart kmail. IMO it should be an option in kmail Settings.
Leslie -- Platform: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.5 - x86_64 Desktop Environment: Trinity Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.1.2 tde-config: 1.0
Also on the whole topic of Email and Email clients:
I've noticed that I can't join the list with my YAHOO account.
It seems like since YAHOO bought AOL or AOL bought YAHOO ( whatever)
that its almost impossible to join any mail lists. That's why I am having to use GH*LL.
Whats a good service that has POP3 , allows mail lists, and doesn't get you set to EVERYONE'S spam folder.
Preferably, free of course or low cost.
Fastmail is expensive at $60.00 USD a year. I'm giving up my domain, due to cost reasons, I only paid for it for one more year, so I'll have the time to make sure everything, i've ever signed up for in the last 8 years ( I've had it since 2016) gets moved off the domain to whatever free mail that I sign up for.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks, Chris
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~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
On Tuesday 21 May 2024 09:48:56 Chris M via tde-users wrote:
Also on the whole topic of Email and Email clients:
I've noticed that I can't join the list with my YAHOO account.
It seems like since YAHOO bought AOL or AOL bought YAHOO ( whatever)
that its almost impossible to join any mail lists. That's why I am having to use GH*LL.
Whats a good service that has POP3 , allows mail lists, and doesn't get you set to EVERYONE'S spam folder.
Preferably, free of course or low cost.
Fastmail is expensive at $60.00 USD a year. I'm giving up my domain, due to cost reasons, I only paid for it for one more year, so I'll have the time to make sure everything, i've ever signed up for in the last 8 years ( I've had it since 2016) gets moved off the domain to whatever free mail that I sign up for.
-------------------------- Thanks, Chris
Among free email services that are available, I always recommend Zoho mail. I won't say that they aren't as bad as the big guys, but so far I haven't noticed many problems in my day-to-day use, and I've been using it now for over five years.
There were a few bumps at the start, but support was helpful, and after some fiddling round to get it like I wanted, it has been smooth ever since. I only log into their webmaill page maybe once or twice a year, at most, usually just to look around and see if there have been any major changes.
There was another person, however, somebody on the list who was looking for an alternative to Gmail, and I recommended Zoho, then we haven't heard from her since. But maybe she changed her user name, ID, whatever, so that now she is somebody different on the list. (I have left her anonymous, just in case she prefers it like that.)
Bill
On 2024-05-21 11:48:56 Chris M via tde-users wrote:
Also on the whole topic of Email and Email clients:
I've noticed that I can't join the list with my YAHOO account.
It seems like since YAHOO bought AOL or AOL bought YAHOO ( whatever)
that its almost impossible to join any mail lists. That's why I am having to use GH*LL.
Whats a good service that has POP3 , allows mail lists, and doesn't get you set to EVERYONE'S spam folder.
Preferably, free of course or low cost.
Fastmail is expensive at $60.00 USD a year. I'm giving up my domain, due to cost reasons, I only paid for it for one more year, so I'll have the time to make sure everything, i've ever signed up for in the last 8 years ( I've had it since 2016) gets moved off the domain to whatever free mail that I sign up for.
Thanks,
Chris
I'm paying $3.95/month to mail.com for the privilege of downloading my mail to Kmail.
Leslie -- Platform: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.5 - x86_64 Desktop Environment: Trinity Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.1.2 tde-config: 1.0
On Tuesday 21 May 2024 06:34:25 pm J Leslie Turriff via tde-users wrote:
I'm paying $3.95/month to mail.com for the privilege of downloading my mail to Kmail.
Leslie
I just signed up for a free mail.com account and I wasn't sure if the $3.95 offer, offered POP3 or not. NICE! Thanks for telling me that!
Chris
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