4 Feb
2022
4 Feb
'22
3:45 p.m.
I believe that I recall Slavek telling me that this could be resolved by
uninstalling something ... gtk3 ...? maybe?
In particular, I have Open Office 4.1.11 installed, and I believe that I've
tracked down any missing dependencies, but after the splash screen it still
crashes. It worked just fine on my desktop machine, which ran Devuan Beowulf
32-bit. This is a newer machine, on which I'm running Devuan Chimaera 64-bit.
Please do not recommend that I use Libre Office or some other crap; this is
what I need. I did read on the Apache Open Office site that jre and jdk
packages were needed, so I already got those.
Any suggestions?
Bill
4 Feb
4 Feb
4:10 p.m.
Anno domini 2022 Fri, 4 Feb 07:45:18 -0800
William Morder via tde-users scripsit:
I believe that I recall Slavek telling me that this
could be resolved by
uninstalling something ... gtk3 ...? maybe?
In particular, I have Open Office 4.1.11 installed, and I believe that I've
tracked down any missing dependencies, but after the splash screen it still
crashes. It worked just fine on my desktop machine, which ran Devuan Beowulf
32-bit. This is a newer machine, on which I'm running Devuan Chimaera 64-bit.
Please do not recommend that I use Libre Office or some other crap; this is
what I need. I did read on the Apache Open Office site that jre and jdk
packages were needed, so I already got those.
Any suggestions?
Try removing these:
gtk3-tqt-engine-trinity
gtk2-engines-gtk-qt-trinity
Nik
Bill
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4:23 p.m.
On Friday 04 February 2022 08:10:49 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Try removing these:
gtk3-tqt-engine-trinity
gtk2-engines-gtk-qt-trinity
Nik
Hi Nik!
Thanks for the suggestion, and it sounded right (or like what I remember), but
I get this response:
Note, selecting 'gtk-qt-engine-trinity' instead
of 'gtk2-engines-gtk-qt-trinity'
Package 'gtk3-tqt-engine-trinity' is not installed, so not removed
So it must not be that.
Bill
13 Feb
13 Feb
7:06 p.m.
Dne pá 4. února 2022 17:23:47 William Morder via tde-users napsal(a):
On Friday 04 February 2022 08:10:49 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
wrote:
Hi,
you probably mean kgtk-qt3-trinity package.
Cheers
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Slávek
Try removing these:
gtk3-tqt-engine-trinity
gtk2-engines-gtk-qt-trinity
Nik
Hi Nik!
Thanks for the suggestion, and it sounded right (or like what I
remember), but I get this response:
Note, selecting 'gtk-qt-engine-trinity' instead
of 'gtk2-engines-gtk-qt-trinity'
Package 'gtk3-tqt-engine-trinity' is not installed, so not removed
So it must not be that.
Bill
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16 Feb
16 Feb
8:57 p.m.
On Sunday 13 February 2022 11:06:18 Slávek Banko wrote:
Dne p� 4. �nora 2022 17:23:47 William Morder via
tde-users napsal(a):
Sorry for the late response. Thanks for your suggestion; however, this is
still not it.
"Package 'kgtk-qt3-trinity' is not installed, so not removed"
This is a problem because I stubbornly choose to keep using OpenOffice rather
than LibreOffice, for niggling reasons such as changes in page metrics. I did
give LibreOffice a try, too, but now not even that will run properly.
I will eventually try just reinstalling my OS and everything, to see if that
might resolve it. I suspect that I might have to downgrade to Devuan Beowulf.
I did have OO running on Beowulf, but that was a 32-bit machine, and the
saved packages don't match my 64-bit laptop, and now I can't find older
versions of OO in 64-bit.
So now I have to try to find some combination of OS, preferably Devuan, and an
office program that are compatible for my machine. The machine itself is
practically brand-new, runs well, I need to resolve several issues, of which
this is the most important.
Bill
On Friday 04 February 2022 08:10:49 Dr. Nikolaus
Klepp wrote:
Hi,
you probably mean kgtk-qt3-trinity package.
Cheers Try removing these:
gtk3-tqt-engine-trinity
gtk2-engines-gtk-qt-trinity
Nik
Hi Nik!
Thanks for the suggestion, and it sounded right (or like what I
remember), but I get this response:
Note, selecting 'gtk-qt-engine-trinity' instead
of 'gtk2-engines-gtk-qt-trinity'
Package 'gtk3-tqt-engine-trinity' is not installed, so not removed
So it must not be that.
Bill 
9:44 p.m.
On Wednesday 16 February 2022 02:57:38 pm William Morder via tde-users wrote:
I will eventually try just reinstalling my OS and
everything, to see if
that might resolve it. I suspect that I might have to downgrade to Devuan
Beowulf. I did have OO running on Beowulf, but that was a 32-bit machine,
and the saved packages don't match my 64-bit laptop, and now I can't find
older versions of OO in 64-bit.
So now I have to try to find some combination of OS, preferably Devuan, and
an office program that are compatible for my machine. The machine itself is
practically brand-new, runs well, I need to resolve several issues, of
which this is the most important.
Hi Bill,
To save yourself some time, try the OS/OO combinations in a VM. That way
you'll at least have a [semi] functioning machine until you hit the jackpot.
I did give LibreOffice a try, too, but now not even
that will run
properly.
LO should run perfectly fine on any recent Debian based derivative. So,
that's a bit worrying and implies that you've broken your current install.
Maybe first try loading what you want [Devuan Chimaera 64-bit?] into a VM (to
get a perfectly clean copy), make a VM backup*, and then re-try installing
OO, LO, etc.
Best,
Michael
* Yeah, I don’t know how either :( “Google it with Bing” as it’s now said...
17 Feb
17 Feb
7:54 a.m.
Anno domini 2022 Wed, 16 Feb 15:44:20 -0600
Michael scripsit:
On Wednesday 16 February 2022 02:57:38 pm William
Morder via tde-users wrote:
It could be some problem with $PATH. I see firefox crashing/hanging when displaying videos
on my laptop when I start it from TDE menu or via <alt+F2>, but it works perfectly
fine when I launch it from a terminal. (some day I'll need to figure that out,
'caus it works on my desktop where I have fiddled with $PATH some time ago)
Nik
I will eventually try just reinstalling my OS and
everything, to see if
that might resolve it. I suspect that I might have to downgrade to Devuan
Beowulf. I did have OO running on Beowulf, but that was a 32-bit machine,
and the saved packages don't match my 64-bit laptop, and now I can't find
older versions of OO in 64-bit.
So now I have to try to find some combination of OS, preferably Devuan, and
an office program that are compatible for my machine. The machine itself is
practically brand-new, runs well, I need to resolve several issues, of
which this is the most important.
Hi Bill,
To save yourself some time, try the OS/OO combinations in a VM. That way
you'll at least have a [semi] functioning machine until you hit the jackpot.
I did give LibreOffice a try, too, but now not
even that will run
properly.
LO should run perfectly fine on any recent Debian based derivative. So,
that's a bit worrying and implies that you've broken your current install.
Maybe first try loading what you want [Devuan Chimaera 64-bit?] into a VM (to
get a perfectly clean copy), make a VM backup*, and then re-try installing
OO, LO, etc.
Best,
Michael
* Yeah, I don’t know how either :( “Google it with Bing” as it’s now said...
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8:41 a.m.
On 2022-02-17 01:54:19 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2022 Wed, 16 Feb 15:44:20 -0600
Michael scripsit:
Here's what I use to visualize my $PATH
| ~
| $ alias paths
| alias paths='echo $PATH | tr '\'':'\''
'\''\n'\'''
| @02:28:01,leslie@pinto rc=0
and here is the $PATH search order:
| ~
| $ paths
| /home/leslie/bin
| /home/leslie/.local/bin
| /opt/trinity/bin
| /opt/trinity/lib64
| /usr/local/bin
| /bin
| /usr/bin
| /usr/local/sbin
| /sbin
| /usr/sbin
| /usr/local/lib64
| /usr/local/lib
| @02:29:59,leslie@pinto rc=0
(I put /opt/trinity/... before the main executables because for a while at least, some
Trinity programs were named the same as KDE programs.)
Unfortunately, OpenOffice is no longer available for my distro, so I can't test if it
works or not on my machine.
Leslie
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On Wednesday 16 February 2022 02:57:38 pm William
Morder via tde-users wrote:
It could be some problem with $PATH. I see firefox crashing/hanging when
displaying videos on my laptop when I start it from TDE menu or via
<alt+F2>, but it works perfectly fine when I launch it from a terminal.
(some day I'll need to figure that out, 'caus it works on my desktop where
I have fiddled with $PATH some time ago)
Nik
> Best,
> Michael
>
> * Yeah, I don’t know how either :( “Google it with Bing” as it’s now
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>ktop.org I will eventually try just reinstalling my OS and
everything, to see if
that might resolve it. I suspect that I might have to downgrade to
Devuan Beowulf. I did have OO running on Beowulf, but that was a 32-bit
machine, and the saved packages don't match my 64-bit laptop, and now I
can't find older versions of OO in 64-bit.
So now I have to try to find some combination of OS, preferably Devuan,
and an office program that are compatible for my machine. The machine
itself is practically brand-new, runs well, I need to resolve several
issues, of which this is the most important.
Hi Bill,
To save yourself some time, try the OS/OO combinations in a VM. That way
you'll at least have a [semi] functioning machine until you hit the
jackpot.
I did give LibreOffice a try, too, but now not
even that will run
properly.
LO should run perfectly fine on any recent Debian based derivative. So,
that's a bit worrying and implies that you've broken your current
install. Maybe first try loading what you want [Devuan Chimaera 64-bit?]
into a VM (to get a perfectly clean copy), make a VM backup*, and then
re-try installing OO, LO, etc. 
12:36 p.m.
Am Donnerstag, 17. Februar 2022 schrieb J Leslie Turriff:
On 2022-02-17 01:54:19 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> It could be some problem with $PATH. I see firefox crashing/hanging
> when displaying videos on my laptop when I start it from TDE menu
> or via <alt+F2>, but it works perfectly fine when I launch it from
> a terminal. (some day I'll need to figure that out, 'caus it works
> on my desktop where I have fiddled with $PATH some time ago)
>
> Nik
[…]
Here's what I use to visualize my $PATH
| ~
| $ alias paths
| alias paths='echo $PATH | tr '\'':'\''
'\''\n'\'''
| @02:28:01,leslie@pinto rc=0
Yeah, I've got something like that, too. You could use bash's parameter
expansion's feature pattern replacing, though, to save you the
subshells:
echo -e ${PATH//:/\\n}
Meaning: substitute every occurence of ":" in the string saved
in "$PATH" with "\n" which will then by echo be replaced with a
newline
(that's what the "-e" option of echo is for.
and here is the $PATH search order:
| ~
| $ paths
| /home/leslie/bin
| /home/leslie/.local/bin
| /opt/trinity/bin
| /opt/trinity/lib64
| /usr/local/bin
| /bin
| /usr/bin
| /usr/local/sbin
| /sbin
| /usr/sbin
| /usr/local/lib64
| /usr/local/lib
| @02:29:59,leslie@pinto rc=0
(I put /opt/trinity/... before the main executables because for a
while at least, some Trinity programs were named the same as KDE
programs.)
The TDE paths are usually set by /opt/trinity/bin/starttde. My path
contains only /opt/trinity/{bin,games}, no lib64. That's on
Devuan/Debian. What do you need the lib64 part for? I guess you set it
yourself in one of your start up files?!
Kind regards,
Stefan
5:01 p.m.
New subject: gtk2-tqt-engine causing crashes - OT - legacy pkgs
On Wednesday 16 February 2022 13:44:20 Michael wrote:
On Wednesday 16 February 2022 02:57:38 pm William
Morder via tde-users
wrote:
> I will eventually try just reinstalling my OS and
everything, to see if
> that might resolve it. I suspect that I might have to downgrade to Devuan
> Beowulf. I did have OO running on Beowulf, but that was a 32-bit machine,
> and the saved packages don't match my 64-bit laptop, and now I can't find
> older versions of OO in 64-bit.
>
A potential solution for myself, or at least a makeshift workaround, has been
found; to wit, I have located a page with all the legacy packages for Open
Office. Don't know why I wasn't able to find it earlier, cuz I did a whole
lotta looking for them.
Anyway, I know it's totally off-topic for TDE, but I will post the links here,
as I happen to know that there are a few others on the mailing list who, like
myself, prefer Open Office.
https://archive.apache.org/dist/openoffice/
https://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/files/stable/
https://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/stable/
I will assume that anybody who searches hard enough can find their repository,
and the links on SourceForge, so there's no need to post them here.
Follow the links to find just which earlier version might work for you. They
go all the way back to the beginning of the Apache fork, if I read correctly.
Downloading several different versions now myself, in both 32-bit and 64-bit.
Experience has taught me that it's better to have it and not need it, than to
need it and not have it. However, it will take me a while to test them.
If I get any signficant results (and if they somehow relate to that apparent
problem with the gtk-tqt-engine causing crashes when I run Open Office), I'll
post something here on the mailing list.
Thanks for any help. I have been reading comments in the thread.
Bill
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