Hello,
Since migration to Debian 11, I cannot use Chromium and Chrome-google, they are unmanageable, graphics problems (maybe coming from Xfree ?) Never had this before with previous Debian distributions. Thanks for a explanation, Cheers, André
Anno domini 2022 Sat, 22 Jan 12:21:03 +0100 ajh-valmer scripsit:
Hello,
Since migration to Debian 11, I cannot use Chromium and Chrome-google, they are unmanageable, graphics problems (maybe coming from Xfree ?) Never had this before with previous Debian distributions. Thanks for a explanation, Cheers, André
Both work here on intel + nvidia. Maybe you post a screenshot to show the problem?
Nik
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On Saturday 22 January 2022 12:38:49 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2022 Sat, 22 Jan 12:21:03 +0100 ajh-valmer scripsit:
Since migration to Debian 11, I cannot use Chromium and Chrome-google, they are unmanageable, graphics problems (maybe coming from Xfree ?) Never had this before with previous Debian distributions. Thanks for a explanation, Cheers, André
Both work here on intel + nvidia. Maybe you post a screenshot to show the problem?
Hello,
Completely impossible to use chrome-google.
joined : screenshot google-chrome and the error-message.
What means the error message ?
My video card is a Nvidia,
Cheers,
André
On Saturday 22 January 2022 12:31:31 pm ajh-valmer wrote:
On Saturday 22 January 2022 12:38:49 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2022 Sat, 22 Jan 12:21:03 +0100 ajh-valmer scripsit:
Since migration to Debian 11, I cannot use Chromium and Chrome-google, they are unmanageable, graphics problems (maybe coming from Xfree ?) Never had this before with previous Debian distributions. Thanks for a explanation, Cheers, André
Both work here on intel + nvidia. Maybe you post a screenshot to show the problem?
Hello,
Completely impossible to use chrome-google.
joined : screenshot google-chrome and the error-message.
What means the error message ?
My video card is a Nvidia,
Cheers,
André
Hi Andre'
Does this happen with firefox, waterfox, liberfox any other browser?
Have you tried moving (renaming to .old) your dot chrome or whatever it's called directory and allowing it to create a new one?
Do you have nvidia drivers or open drivers installed for your video card?
Kate
On Saturday 22 January 2022 18:56:45 Borg Labs wrote:
On Saturday 22 January 2022 12:31:31 pm ajh-valmer wrote:
On Saturday 22 January 2022 12:38:49 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2022 Sat, 22 Jan 12:21:03 +0100 ajh-valmer scripsit:
Since migration to Debian 11, I cannot use Chromium and Chrome-google, they are unmanageable, graphics problems (maybe coming from Xfree ?) Never had this before with previous Debian distributions. Thanks for a explanation, Cheers, André
joined : screenshot google-chrome and the error-message. What means the error message ?
Does this happen with firefox, waterfox, liberfox any other browser ? :
No, with any other browser excepted Chromium and Chrome-google
Have you tried moving (renaming to .old) your dot chrome or whatever it's called directory and allowing it to create a new one?
Yes, and completely removed (purge) Chromium and Chrome-google, removed too /home/andre/.config/chromium and google-chrome.
But what means "dot" ?
Do you have nvidia drivers or open drivers installed for your video card? Kate
I installed the "xserver-xorg-video-nouveau", and the graphic seems working well with a good resolution.
Cheers, André
Anno domini 2022 Sat, 22 Jan 20:08:47 +0100 ajh-valmer scripsit:
On Saturday 22 January 2022 18:56:45 Borg Labs wrote:
On Saturday 22 January 2022 12:31:31 pm ajh-valmer wrote:
On Saturday 22 January 2022 12:38:49 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2022 Sat, 22 Jan 12:21:03 +0100 ajh-valmer scripsit:
Since migration to Debian 11, I cannot use Chromium and Chrome-google, they are unmanageable, graphics problems (maybe coming from Xfree ?) Never had this before with previous Debian distributions. Thanks for a explanation, Cheers, André
joined : screenshot google-chrome and the error-message. What means the error message ?
Does this happen with firefox, waterfox, liberfox any other browser ? :
No, with any other browser excepted Chromium and Chrome-google
Have you tried moving (renaming to .old) your dot chrome or whatever it's called directory and allowing it to create a new one?
Yes, and completely removed (purge) Chromium and Chrome-google, removed too /home/andre/.config/chromium and google-chrome.
But what means "dot" ?
"." ... so "dot chrome" is ".chrome" in your home directory.
Do you have nvidia drivers or open drivers installed for your video card? Kate
I installed the "xserver-xorg-video-nouveau", and the graphic seems working well with a good resolution.
You hit the nail. It's a grafic driver problem. So if you have this problem with nouveau you may try nvidia - and vice versa. "nvidia-driver" it's called on my system and pulls in quite some dependencies.
Nik
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On Saturday 22 January 2022 02:08:47 pm you wrote:
On Saturday 22 January 2022 18:56:45 Borg Labs wrote:
On Saturday 22 January 2022 12:31:31 pm ajh-valmer wrote:
On Saturday 22 January 2022 12:38:49 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2022 Sat, 22 Jan 12:21:03 +0100 ajh-valmer scripsit:
Since migration to Debian 11, I cannot use Chromium and Chrome-google, they are unmanageable, graphics problems (maybe coming from Xfree ?) Never had this before with previous Debian distributions. Thanks for a explanation, Cheers, André
joined : screenshot google-chrome and the error-message. What means the error message ?
Does this happen with firefox, waterfox, liberfox any other browser ? :
No, with any other browser excepted Chromium and Chrome-google
Have you tried moving (renaming to .old) your dot chrome or whatever it's called directory and allowing it to create a new one?
Yes, and completely removed (purge) Chromium and Chrome-google, removed too /home/andre/.config/chromium and google-chrome.
But what means "dot" ?
Do you have nvidia drivers or open drivers installed for your video card? Kate
I installed the "xserver-xorg-video-nouveau", and the graphic seems working well with a good resolution.
Cheers, André
Hi André
Seems you are way ahead of me. A dot file is slang for a hidden file. .foo for example. Get rid of any related chrom-x file and dirs. Also completely delete all content of temp dirs and reboot. See if that helps.
I'm going to install chrome crap here and see what happens.
Kate
On Saturday 22 January 2022 02:08:47 pm you wrote:
On Saturday 22 January 2022 18:56:45 Borg Labs wrote:
On Saturday 22 January 2022 12:31:31 pm ajh-valmer wrote:
On Saturday 22 January 2022 12:38:49 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2022 Sat, 22 Jan 12:21:03 +0100 ajh-valmer scripsit:
Since migration to Debian 11, I cannot use Chromium and Chrome-google, they are unmanageable, graphics problems (maybe coming from Xfree ?) Never had this before with previous Debian distributions. Thanks for a explanation, Cheers, André
joined : screenshot google-chrome and the error-message. What means the error message ?
Does this happen with firefox, waterfox, liberfox any other browser ? :
No, with any other browser excepted Chromium and Chrome-google
Have you tried moving (renaming to .old) your dot chrome or whatever it's called directory and allowing it to create a new one?
Yes, and completely removed (purge) Chromium and Chrome-google, removed too /home/andre/.config/chromium and google-chrome.
But what means "dot" ?
Do you have nvidia drivers or open drivers installed for your video card? Kate
I installed the "xserver-xorg-video-nouveau", and the graphic seems working well with a good resolution.
Cheers, André
Ok so I installed both and they work fine. Not me cupa but they displayed normally on me daily driver (intel OBG) and the heavy gun and the test machine. The big machines have ATI video cards. I don't have any modern nvidia cards to test with (sorry).
If they're gtk apps? Maybe it's a gtk setting probem?
Kate
Daily Driver: OS: PCLinuxOS x86_64 Host: OptiPlex 3010 01 Kernel: 5.13.15-pclos1 Resolution: 1920x1080 Display: Samsung QLED 4k 55 Inch DE: trinity R14.0.11 WM: twin Theme: QtCurve [GTK2], Adwaita-dark [GTK3] Icons: Sparkle & tdegtk-icon-theme [GTK3] Terminal: yakuake CPU: Intel i3-3220 (4) @ 3.300GHz GPU: Intel HD Graphics Memory: 822MiB / 7864MiB
On Saturday 22 January 2022 22:48:36 Borg Labs wrote:
On Saturday 22 January 2022 12:31:31 ajh-valmer wrote:
If they're gtk apps? Maybe it's a gtk setting probem? Kate
Which Gtk applications should be installed ? Normally Chromium and Chrome-google do that automatically or inform if there is a missing package...
André
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 12:44:35 +0100 "ajh-valmer" ajh.valmer@free.fr wrote:
On Saturday 22 January 2022 22:48:36 Borg Labs wrote:
On Saturday 22 January 2022 12:31:31 ajh-valmer wrote:
If they're gtk apps? Maybe it's a gtk setting probem? Kate
Which Gtk applications should be installed ? Normally Chromium and Chrome-google do that automatically or inform if there is a missing package...
Chromium is GTK3, but the original screen capture looked more like a broken video acceleration problem. Judging from all the hideous stuff in the Chromium ebuild, any of X, mesa, opengl, GTK3, and various types of support in the video driver (for opencl, vulkan, etc.) *could* be the culprit, but the video driver is the most likely to be responsible.
I'd recommend the nvidia proprietary driver over nouveau in this case, because nouveau is reverse-engineered and doesn't always handle all the capabilities of every card correctly. Make sure you have the right version for your hardware—it forks periodically.
The other thing you can try is downgrading Chrom(e|ium), if your distro offers that option, to make sure it isn't a bug in the browser.
E. Liddell
E. Liddell composed on 2022-01-23 10:40 (UTC-0500):
...the video driver is the most likely to be responsible.
Do we know which driver "the" would be?
I'd recommend the nvidia proprietary driver over nouveau in this case, because nouveau is reverse-engineered and doesn't always handle all the capabilities of every card correctly.
There is no "the" nouveau driver. There is:
1-nouveau kernel device driver (module), which ships with each kernel.
2-nouveau DDX display driver for X, upstream provided by xf86-video-nouveau, provided in Debian by xserver-xorg-video-nouveau.
#2 is reverse-engineered, and optional. The upstream default display driver, modesetting DIX, is not reverse-engineered, is newer technology, like the nouveau DDX depends on the nouveau kernel driver, is FOSS, and is the display driver I use on all of my NVidia GPUs. Ordinary users don't all need the edge-case capabilities that FOSS doesn't support.
On Sunday 23 January 2022 16:40:43 E. Liddell wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 12:44:35 +0100> ajh.valmer@free.fr wrote:
If they're gtk apps? Maybe it's a gtk setting probem? Kate
Which Gtk applications should be installed ? Normally Chromium and Chrome-google do that automatically or inform if there is a missing package...
Chromium is GTK3, but the original screen capture looked more like a broken video acceleration problem. Judging from all the hideous stuff in the Chromium ebuild, any of X, mesa, opengl, GTK3, and various types of support in the video driver (for opencl, vulkan, etc.) *could* be the culprit, but the video driver is the most likely to be responsible.
I'd recommend the nvidia proprietary driver over nouveau in this case, because nouveau is reverse-engineered and doesn't always handle all the capabilities of every card correctly. Make sure you have the right version for your hardware—it forks periodically.
The problem is resolved. In Chromium and Chrome I had to disable the 3D acceleration. My Nvidia video card is old. Sorry, I apologize, I could have found it, by typing in google : "Why is hardware acceleration not working in Chrome ?" who gave me this solution.
So now, which Nvidia or ATI video card works perfectly with Linux ?
Thanks a lot to those who helped me.
André
On Sunday 23 January 2022 20.00:35 ajh-valmer wrote:
So now, which Nvidia or ATI video card works perfectly with Linux ?
I have a Radeon RX 480 that works well, but is quite power hungry.
My everyday machine uses the integrated "amdgpu" provided by the processor (Ryzen 5 pro 2400 GE with Radeon Vega Graphics, says TCC) and that work very well for most situations - I use the RX only for running X Plane actually.
Thierry
On Sunday 23 January 2022 02:20:31 pm Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Sunday 23 January 2022 20.00:35 ajh-valmer wrote:
So now, which Nvidia or ATI video card works perfectly with Linux ?
I have a Radeon RX 480 that works well, but is quite power hungry.
My everyday machine uses the integrated "amdgpu" provided by the processor (Ryzen 5 pro 2400 GE with Radeon Vega Graphics, says TCC) and that work very well for most situations - I use the RX only for running X Plane actually.
Thierry ____________________________________________________
Like Thierry (hello there) I also use ati cards with some intel OBGs.
All of them have always worked, including 3d acel. I use hardware acel with all browsers, including the chrome based ones I just tested, as well as intel OBGs.
I have ALWAYS had problems with nvidia. I was able to get them to work but I prefer the out of the box usability of ATI cards on gnu linux over hours of fiddling.
I'm so glad you figured it out. I will remember this. Sorry you had to be the lab rat for this André.
Cheers,
Kate
On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 20:00:35 +0100 "ajh-valmer" ajh.valmer@free.fr wrote:
So now, which Nvidia or ATI video card works perfectly with Linux ?
You don't want to be buying a new video card right now if you can help it—between cryptominers and the general shortage of electronic components, prices are pretty high for most cards from the last couple of generations.
If you still feel you must buy a new card, I can only advise you on nVidia models. Proprietary driver support for these is always a moving target. I currently have a GeForce GTX 1050 chipsetted card, which is three or four generations old at this point and probably going to age out of support in the next couple of years. While I've never had any problems with the card and chipsets from this generation are currently cheap, I wouldn't advise buying one as anything more than a stopgap.
My experience with nouveau as a driver (on my laptop, which has an NV40 chipset that aged out of manufacturer support a long time ago) has been mixed, so I don't generally recommend it unless a card has left the nVidia support envelope.
ATI/AMD may be a bit better supported than nVidia these days, but their cards currently have the same pricing problem. :/
E. Liddell
I don't know. Ali's PCLOS auto installed all the gtk deps I needed. It just works.
Sorry,
Kate
On Sunday 23 January 2022 06:44:35 am you wrote:
On Saturday 22 January 2022 22:48:36 Borg Labs wrote:
On Saturday 22 January 2022 12:31:31 ajh-valmer wrote:
If they're gtk apps? Maybe it's a gtk setting probem? Kate
Which Gtk applications should be installed ? Normally Chromium and Chrome-google do that automatically or inform if there is a missing package...
André
Daily Driver: OS: PCLinuxOS x86_64 Host: OptiPlex 3010 01 Kernel: 5.13.15-pclos1 Resolution: 1920x1080 Display: Samsung QLED 4k 55 Inch DE: trinity R14.0.11 WM: twin Theme: QtCurve [GTK2], Adwaita-dark [GTK3] Icons: Sparkle & tdegtk-icon-theme [GTK3] Terminal: yakuake CPU: Intel i3-3220 (4) @ 3.300GHz GPU: Intel HD Graphics Memory: 822MiB / 7864MiB
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