22 Jan
2022
22 Jan
'22
11:21 a.m.
Hello,
Since migration to Debian 11,
I cannot use Chromium and Chrome-google,
they are unmanageable, graphics problems (maybe coming from Xfree ?)
Never had this before with previous Debian distributions.
Thanks for a explanation,
Cheers, André
22 Jan
22 Jan
11:38 a.m.
Anno domini 2022 Sat, 22 Jan 12:21:03 +0100
ajh-valmer scripsit:
Hello,
Since migration to Debian 11,
I cannot use Chromium and Chrome-google,
they are unmanageable, graphics problems (maybe coming from Xfree ?)
Never had this before with previous Debian distributions.
Thanks for a explanation,
Cheers, André
Both work here on intel + nvidia. Maybe you post a screenshot to show the problem?
Nik
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5:31 p.m.
On Saturday 22 January 2022 12:38:49 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2022 Sat, 22 Jan 12:21:03 +0100 ajh-valmer
scripsit:
> Since migration to Debian 11,
> I cannot use Chromium and Chrome-google,
> they are unmanageable, graphics problems (maybe coming from Xfree ?)
> Never had this before with previous Debian distributions.
> Thanks for a explanation,
> Cheers, André
Both work here on intel + nvidia. Maybe you post a
screenshot to show the problem?
Hello,
Completely impossible to use chrome-google.
joined : screenshot google-chrome and the error-message.
What means the error message ?
My video card is a Nvidia,
Cheers,
André
5:56 p.m.
On Saturday 22 January 2022 12:31:31 pm ajh-valmer wrote:
On Saturday 22 January 2022 12:38:49 Dr. Nikolaus
Klepp wrote:
Hi Andre'
Does this happen with firefox, waterfox, liberfox any other browser?
Have you tried moving (renaming to .old) your dot chrome or whatever it's
called directory and allowing it to create a new one?
Do you have nvidia drivers or open drivers installed for your video card?
Kate
Anno domini 2022 Sat, 22 Jan 12:21:03 +0100
ajh-valmer scripsit:
Hello,
Completely impossible to use chrome-google.
joined : screenshot google-chrome and the error-message.
What means the error message ?
My video card is a Nvidia,
Cheers,
André Since migration to Debian 11,
I cannot use Chromium and Chrome-google,
they are unmanageable, graphics problems (maybe coming from Xfree ?)
Never had this before with previous Debian distributions.
Thanks for a explanation,
Cheers, André
Both work here on intel + nvidia. Maybe you post a screenshot to show the
problem?
7:08 p.m.
On Saturday 22 January 2022 18:56:45 Borg Labs wrote:
On Saturday 22 January 2022 12:31:31 pm ajh-valmer
wrote:
> On Saturday 22 January 2022 12:38:49 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > Anno domini 2022 Sat, 22 Jan 12:21:03 +0100 ajh-valmer scripsit:
> > > Since migration to Debian 11,
> > > I cannot use Chromium and Chrome-google,
> > > they are unmanageable, graphics problems (maybe coming from Xfree ?)
> > > Never had this before with previous Debian distributions.
> > > Thanks for a explanation,
> > > Cheers, André
> joined : screenshot google-chrome and the
error-message.
> What means the error message ?
Does this happen with firefox, waterfox, liberfox any
other browser ? :
No, with any other browser excepted Chromium and Chrome-google
Have you tried moving (renaming to .old) your dot
chrome or whatever it's
called directory and allowing it to create a new one?
Yes, and completely removed (purge) Chromium and Chrome-google,
removed too /home/andre/.config/chromium and google-chrome.
But what means "dot" ?
Do you have nvidia drivers or open drivers installed
for your video card?
Kate
I installed the "xserver-xorg-video-nouveau",
and the graphic seems working well with a good resolution.
Cheers,
André
8:05 p.m.
Anno domini 2022 Sat, 22 Jan 20:08:47 +0100
ajh-valmer scripsit:
You hit the nail. It's a grafic driver problem. So if you have this problem with
nouveau you may try nvidia - and vice versa. "nvidia-driver" it's called on
my system and pulls in quite some dependencies.
Nik
On Saturday 22 January 2022 18:56:45 Borg Labs wrote:
"." ... so "dot chrome" is ".chrome" in your home
directory.
On Saturday 22 January 2022 12:31:31 pm
ajh-valmer wrote:
> On Saturday 22 January 2022 12:38:49 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > Anno domini 2022 Sat, 22 Jan 12:21:03 +0100 ajh-valmer scripsit:
> > > Since migration to Debian 11,
> > > I cannot use Chromium and Chrome-google,
> > > they are unmanageable, graphics problems (maybe coming from Xfree ?)
> > > Never had this before with previous Debian distributions.
> > > Thanks for a explanation,
> > > Cheers, André
> joined : screenshot google-chrome and the
error-message.
> What means the error message ?
Does this happen with firefox, waterfox, liberfox
any other browser ? :
No, with any other browser excepted Chromium and Chrome-google
Have you tried moving (renaming to .old) your dot
chrome or whatever it's
called directory and allowing it to create a new one?
Yes, and completely removed (purge) Chromium and Chrome-google,
removed too /home/andre/.config/chromium and google-chrome.
But what means "dot" ? Do you have nvidia drivers or open drivers
installed for your video card?
Kate
I installed the "xserver-xorg-video-nouveau",
and the graphic seems working well with a good resolution.
Cheers,
André
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9:16 p.m.
On Saturday 22 January 2022 02:08:47 pm you wrote:
On Saturday 22 January 2022 18:56:45 Borg Labs wrote:
Hi André
Seems you are way ahead of me.
A dot file is slang for a hidden file.
.foo for example.
Get rid of any related chrom-x file and dirs.
Also completely delete all content of temp dirs and reboot. See if that
helps.
I'm going to install chrome crap here and see what happens.
Kate
On Saturday 22 January 2022 12:31:31 pm
ajh-valmer wrote:
No, with any other browser excepted Chromium and Chrome-google
On Saturday 22 January 2022 12:38:49 Dr. Nikolaus
Klepp wrote:
Does this happen with firefox, waterfox, liberfox any other browser ? : Anno domini 2022 Sat, 22 Jan 12:21:03 +0100
ajh-valmer scripsit:
> Since migration to Debian 11,
> I cannot use Chromium and Chrome-google,
> they are unmanageable, graphics problems (maybe coming from Xfree
> ?) Never had this before with previous Debian distributions.
> Thanks for a explanation,
> Cheers, André
joined : screenshot google-chrome and the error-message.
What means the error message ? Have you tried moving (renaming to .old) your dot
chrome or whatever it's
called directory and allowing it to create a new one?
Yes, and completely removed (purge) Chromium and Chrome-google,
removed too /home/andre/.config/chromium and google-chrome.
But what means "dot" ?
Do you have nvidia drivers or open drivers
installed for your video card?
Kate
I installed the "xserver-xorg-video-nouveau",
and the graphic seems working well with a good resolution.
Cheers,
André
9:48 p.m.
On Saturday 22 January 2022 02:08:47 pm you wrote:
On Saturday 22 January 2022 18:56:45 Borg Labs wrote:
Ok so I installed both and they work fine. Not me cupa but they displayed
normally on me daily driver (intel OBG) and the heavy gun and the test
machine. The big machines have ATI video cards. I don't have any modern
nvidia cards to test with (sorry).
If they're gtk apps? Maybe it's a gtk setting probem?
Kate
Daily Driver:
OS: PCLinuxOS x86_64
Host: OptiPlex 3010 01
Kernel: 5.13.15-pclos1
Resolution: 1920x1080
Display: Samsung QLED 4k 55 Inch
DE: trinity R14.0.11
WM: twin
Theme: QtCurve [GTK2], Adwaita-dark [GTK3]
Icons: Sparkle & tdegtk-icon-theme [GTK3]
Terminal: yakuake
CPU: Intel i3-3220 (4) @ 3.300GHz
GPU: Intel HD Graphics
Memory: 822MiB / 7864MiB
On Saturday 22 January 2022 12:31:31 pm
ajh-valmer wrote:
No, with any other browser excepted Chromium and Chrome-google
On Saturday 22 January 2022 12:38:49 Dr. Nikolaus
Klepp wrote:
Does this happen with firefox, waterfox, liberfox any other browser ? : Anno domini 2022 Sat, 22 Jan 12:21:03 +0100
ajh-valmer scripsit:
> Since migration to Debian 11,
> I cannot use Chromium and Chrome-google,
> they are unmanageable, graphics problems (maybe coming from Xfree
> ?) Never had this before with previous Debian distributions.
> Thanks for a explanation,
> Cheers, André
joined : screenshot google-chrome and the error-message.
What means the error message ? Have you tried moving (renaming to .old) your dot
chrome or whatever it's
called directory and allowing it to create a new one?
Yes, and completely removed (purge) Chromium and Chrome-google,
removed too /home/andre/.config/chromium and google-chrome.
But what means "dot" ?
Do you have nvidia drivers or open drivers
installed for your video card?
Kate
I installed the "xserver-xorg-video-nouveau",
and the graphic seems working well with a good resolution.
Cheers,
André
23 Jan
23 Jan
11:44 a.m.
On Saturday 22 January 2022 22:48:36 Borg Labs wrote:
> > On Saturday 22 January 2022 12:31:31
ajh-valmer wrote:
If they're gtk apps? Maybe it's a gtk setting
probem?
Kate
Which Gtk applications should be installed ?
Normally Chromium and Chrome-google do that automatically
or inform if there is a missing package...
André
> Daily Driver:
> OS: PCLinuxOS x86_64
> Host: OptiPlex 3010 01
> Kernel: 5.13.15-pclos1
> Resolution: 1920x1080
> Display: Samsung QLED 4k 55 Inch
> DE: trinity R14.0.11
> WM: twin
> Theme: QtCurve [GTK2], Adwaita-dark [GTK3]
> Icons: Sparkle & tdegtk-icon-theme [GTK3]
> Terminal: yakuake
> CPU: Intel i3-3220 (4) @ 3.300GHz
> GPU: Intel HD Graphics
> Memory: 822MiB / 7864MiB
3:40 p.m.
On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 12:44:35 +0100
"ajh-valmer" <ajh.valmer(a)free.fr> wrote:
On Saturday 22 January 2022 22:48:36 Borg Labs wrote:
Chromium is GTK3, but the original screen capture looked more like
a broken video acceleration problem. Judging from all the hideous
stuff in the Chromium ebuild, any of X, mesa, opengl, GTK3, and
various types of support in the video driver (for opencl, vulkan, etc.)
*could* be the culprit, but the video driver is the most likely to be
responsible.
I'd recommend the nvidia proprietary driver over nouveau in this case,
because nouveau is reverse-engineered and doesn't always handle all
the capabilities of every card correctly. Make sure you have the right
version for your hardware—it forks periodically.
The other thing you can try is downgrading Chrom(e|ium), if your
distro offers that option, to make sure it isn't a bug in the browser.
E. Liddell
> > On Saturday 22 January 2022 12:31:31
ajh-valmer wrote:
If they're gtk apps? Maybe it's a gtk
setting probem?
Kate
Which Gtk applications should be installed ?
Normally Chromium and Chrome-google do that automatically
or inform if there is a missing package... 
6:05 p.m.
E. Liddell composed on 2022-01-23 10:40 (UTC-0500):
...the video driver is the most likely to be
responsible.
Do we know which driver "the" would be?
I'd recommend the nvidia proprietary driver over
nouveau in this case,
because nouveau is reverse-engineered and doesn't always handle all
the capabilities of every card correctly.
There is no "the" nouveau driver. There is:
1-nouveau kernel device driver (module), which ships with each kernel.
2-nouveau DDX display driver for X, upstream provided by xf86-video-nouveau,
provided in Debian by xserver-xorg-video-nouveau.
#2 is reverse-engineered, and optional. The upstream default display driver,
modesetting DIX, is not reverse-engineered, is newer technology, like the nouveau
DDX depends on the nouveau kernel driver, is FOSS, and is the display driver I use
on all of my NVidia GPUs. Ordinary users don't all need the edge-case capabilities
that FOSS doesn't support.
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7 p.m.
New subject: Chromium and Chrome-google unmanageable : resolved
On Sunday 23 January 2022 16:40:43 E. Liddell wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 12:44:35 +0100>
<ajh.valmer(a)free.fr> wrote:
Chromium is GTK3, but the original screen capture looked more like
a broken video acceleration problem. Judging from all the hideous
stuff in the Chromium ebuild, any of X, mesa, opengl, GTK3, and
various types of support in the video driver (for opencl, vulkan, etc.)
*could* be the culprit, but the video driver is the most likely to be
responsible.
I'd recommend the nvidia proprietary driver over nouveau in this case,
because nouveau is reverse-engineered and doesn't always handle all
the capabilities of every card correctly. Make sure you have the right
version for your hardware—it forks periodically.
The problem is resolved.
In Chromium and Chrome I had to disable the 3D acceleration.
My Nvidia video card is old.
Sorry, I apologize, I could have found it, by typing in google :
"Why is hardware acceleration not working in Chrome ?"
who gave me this solution.
So now, which Nvidia or ATI video card works perfectly with Linux ?
Thanks a lot to those who helped me.
André
If
they're gtk apps? Maybe it's a gtk setting probem?
Kate
Which Gtk applications should be installed ?
Normally Chromium and Chrome-google do that automatically
or inform if there is a missing package... 
7:20 p.m.
New subject: Chromium and Chrome-google unmanageable : resolved
On Sunday 23 January 2022 20.00:35 ajh-valmer wrote:
So now, which Nvidia or ATI video card works perfectly
with Linux ?
I have a Radeon RX 480 that works well, but is quite power hungry.
My everyday machine uses the integrated "amdgpu" provided by the processor
(Ryzen 5 pro 2400 GE with Radeon Vega Graphics, says TCC) and that work very
well for most situations - I use the RX only for running X Plane actually.
Thierry
8:19 p.m.
New subject: Chromium and Chrome-google unmanageable : resolved
On Sunday 23 January 2022 02:20:31 pm Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Sunday 23 January 2022 20.00:35 ajh-valmer wrote:
Like Thierry (hello there) I
also use ati cards with some intel OBGs.
All of them have always worked, including 3d acel. I use hardware acel with
all browsers, including the chrome based ones I just tested, as well as intel
OBGs.
I have ALWAYS had problems with nvidia. I was able to get them to work but I
prefer the out of the box usability of ATI cards on gnu linux over hours of
fiddling.
I'm so glad you figured it out. I will remember this.
Sorry you had to be the lab rat for this André.
Cheers,
Kate
So now, which Nvidia or ATI video card works
perfectly with Linux ?
I have a Radeon RX 480 that works well, but is quite power hungry.
My everyday machine uses the integrated "amdgpu" provided by the processor
(Ryzen 5 pro 2400 GE with Radeon Vega Graphics, says TCC) and that work
very well for most situations - I use the RX only for running X Plane
actually.
Thierry
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24 Jan
24 Jan
12:24 a.m.
New subject: Chromium and Chrome-google unmanageable : resolved
On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 20:00:35 +0100
"ajh-valmer" <ajh.valmer(a)free.fr> wrote:
So now, which Nvidia or ATI video card works perfectly
with Linux ?
You don't want to be buying a new video card right now if you can help it—between
cryptominers and the general shortage of electronic components, prices are pretty
high for most cards from the last couple of generations.
If you still feel you must buy a new card, I can only advise you on nVidia models.
Proprietary driver support for these is always a moving target. I currently have a
GeForce GTX 1050 chipsetted card, which is three or four generations old at this
point and probably going to age out of support in the next couple of years. While
I've never had any problems with the card and chipsets from this generation are
currently cheap, I wouldn't advise buying one as anything more than a stopgap.
My experience with nouveau as a driver (on my laptop, which has an NV40
chipset that aged out of manufacturer support a long time ago) has been mixed,
so I don't generally recommend it unless a card has left the nVidia support
envelope.
ATI/AMD may be a bit better supported than nVidia these days, but their cards
currently have the same pricing problem. :/
E. Liddell
23 Jan
23 Jan
8:12 p.m.
I don't know. Ali's PCLOS auto installed all the gtk deps I needed.
It just works.
Sorry,
Kate
On Sunday 23 January 2022 06:44:35 am you wrote:
On Saturday 22 January 2022 22:48:36 Borg Labs wrote:
Which Gtk applications should be installed ?
Normally Chromium and Chrome-google do that automatically
or inform if there is a missing package...
André
> Daily Driver:
> OS: PCLinuxOS x86_64
> Host: OptiPlex 3010 01
> Kernel: 5.13.15-pclos1
> Resolution: 1920x1080
> Display: Samsung QLED 4k 55 Inch
> DE: trinity R14.0.11
> WM: twin
> Theme: QtCurve [GTK2], Adwaita-dark [GTK3]
> Icons: Sparkle & tdegtk-icon-theme [GTK3]
> Terminal: yakuake
> CPU: Intel i3-3220 (4) @ 3.300GHz
> GPU: Intel HD Graphics
> Memory: 822MiB / 7864MiB
> On
Saturday 22 January 2022 12:31:31 ajh-valmer wrote:
If they're gtk apps? Maybe it's a gtk setting probem?
Kate
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