I've updatet from lenny/KDE3 to squeeze/trinity, but still have not managed to get rid of some kde-packages.
e.g I found 'kdebase-runtime' still installed, which is needed by 'cervisia', which is recommented by 'quanta-trinity' (even so there is a cervisia-trinity).
als there is a kdelibs5-plugin installed.
Is there a shortcut to get rid of all the unnecesary kde packages?
On Thursday 08 December 2011 14:24:58 Frank Lienhard wrote:
I've updatet from lenny/KDE3 to squeeze/trinity, but still have not managed to get rid of some kde-packages.
e.g I found 'kdebase-runtime' still installed, which is needed by 'cervisia', which is recommented by 'quanta-trinity'
this is a bug in the trinity quanta package: it should recommend cervisia-trinity, NOT cervisia (kde4)
(even so there is a cervisia-trinity).
install that, it works with quanta :) then you can also uninstall cervisia and the rest of kde4 stuff. HTH werner
On Thursday 08 December 2011 15:29:07 Frank Lienhard wrote:
my main problem seems to be finding all the unnecessary kde stuff..
dpkg -l | grep 4:4 | grep ii should show you most kde4 stuff (plus some other evtl.)
werner
On Thursday 08 December 2011 14:29:07 Frank Lienhard wrote:
then you can also uninstall cervisia and the rest of kde4 stuff.
my main problem seems to be finding all the unnecessary kde stuff..
Perhaps: $locate kde4
Untested in that I don't actually remember what I did. But this is where I would expect to start.
Lisi
On 12/08/2011 04:05 PM, Lisi wrote:
On Thursday 08 December 2011 14:29:07 Frank Lienhard wrote:
my main problem seems to be finding all the unnecessary kde stuff..
Perhaps: $locate kde4
Untested in that I don't actually remember what I did. But this is where I would expect to start.
Lisi
locate kde4 /etc/dbus-1/system.d/NetworkManager-kde4.conf /etc/xdg/menus.kde4 /etc/xdg/menus/kde4-applications.menu /etc/xdg/menus/kde4-information.menu /opt/trinity/.... (mainly some pics, for KDE Programm uses I guess) /usr/bin/kde4 /usr/bin/kde4-config /usr/bin/kde4-menu /usr/lib/kde4 /usr/lib/openoffice/basis3.2/program/fps_kde4.uno.so /usr/lib/openoffice/basis3.2/program/libvclplug_kde4li.so /usr/share/kde4 /usr/share/applications/kde4 /usr/share/autostart/kde4-knetworkmanager-autostart.desktop /usr/share/emoticons/kde4 /usr/share/icons/default.kde4 /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/16x16/actions/kde4.png /usr/share/man/man1/kde4-config.1.gz
but the parts in /usr/bin /usr/lib are a mytery to me. Shouldn't they disapear by purging the KDE4 base packages?
Frank Lienhard a écrit :
On 12/08/2011 04:05 PM, Lisi wrote:
On Thursday 08 December 2011 14:29:07 Frank Lienhard wrote:
my main problem seems to be finding all the unnecessary kde stuff..
Not a wonderful solution but try this:
$ aptitude search -F "%p" ~i | grep "-trinity[ \t]*$" | sed "s;-trinity;;"
It should give the list of every installed trinity package on whose the suffix '-trinity' in their names are removed.
Then, you should be able to remove every kde4 packages that matches trinity installed ones (e.g., konqueror removed if konqueror-trinity is installed):
# aptitude remove $(aptitude search -F "%p" ~i | grep "-trinity[ \t]*$" | sed "s;-trinity;;")
this is not perfect since it won't remove every kde4 packages, but it will remove conflicting apps.
After this is done (you may have struggled a little with dependencies), you could try:
# aptitude remove ~g
to remove every packaged that are not required by any manually installed package. Now, you shouldn't have a lot of remaining kde4 packages.
Nicolas
Nicolas Bercher a écrit :
Frank Lienhard a écrit :
On 12/08/2011 04:05 PM, Lisi wrote:
On Thursday 08 December 2011 14:29:07 Frank Lienhard wrote:
my main problem seems to be finding all the unnecessary kde stuff..
Not a wonderful solution but try this:
$ aptitude search -F "%p" ~i | grep "-trinity[ \t]*$" | sed "s;-trinity;;"
It should give the list of every installed trinity package on whose the suffix '-trinity' in their names are removed.
Then, you should be able to remove every kde4 packages that matches trinity installed ones (e.g., konqueror removed if konqueror-trinity is installed):
# aptitude remove $(aptitude search -F "%p" ~i | grep "-trinity[ \t]*$" | sed "s;-trinity;;")
this is not perfect since it won't remove every kde4 packages, but it will remove conflicting apps.
After this is done (you may have struggled a little with dependencies), you could try:
# aptitude remove ~g
to remove every packaged that are not required by any manually installed package. Now, you shouldn't have a lot of remaining kde4 packages.
Nicolas
An afterthought: this may fail if kde4 packages are named with an extra "4" somewhere in their name. But as far as I can remember, this will work for some packages that are named just like kde3 packages (amarok vs amarok-trinity, etc.).
N.
On Friday 09 December 2011 01:15:13 Nicolas Bercher wrote:
Frank Lienhard a écrit :
On 12/08/2011 04:05 PM, Lisi wrote:
On Thursday 08 December 2011 14:29:07 Frank Lienhard wrote:
my main problem seems to be finding all the unnecessary kde stuff..
Not a wonderful solution but try this:
$ aptitude search -F "%p" ~i | grep "-trinity[ \t]*$" | sed "s;-trinity;;"
It should give the list of every installed trinity package on whose the suffix '-trinity' in their names are removed.
Then, you should be able to remove every kde4 packages that matches trinity installed ones (e.g., konqueror removed if konqueror-trinity is installed):
# aptitude remove $(aptitude search -F "%p" ~i | grep "-trinity[ \t]*$" | sed "s;-trinity;;")
this is not perfect since it won't remove every kde4 packages, but it will remove conflicting apps.
After this is done (you may have struggled a little with dependencies), you could try:
# aptitude remove ~g
to remove every packaged that are not required by any manually installed package. Now, you shouldn't have a lot of remaining kde4 packages.
Nicolas
A couple of cli tools, 'apt-get autoremove' and 'deborphan', once you start removing packages any left behind dependencies can be removed by these commands.
Werner Joss <werner@...> writes:
On Thursday 08 December 2011 14:24:58 Frank Lienhard wrote:
I've updatet from lenny/KDE3 to squeeze/trinity, but still have not managed to get rid of some kde-packages.
e.g I found 'kdebase-runtime' still installed, which is needed by 'cervisia', which is recommented by 'quanta-trinity'
this is a bug in the trinity quanta package: it should recommend cervisia-trinity, NOT cervisia (kde4)
(even so there is a cervisia-trinity).
install that, it works with quanta :) then you can also uninstall cervisia and the rest of kde4 stuff. HTH werner
I am tagging on this thread because I don't know how to start a new one.
I installed Trinity on my Slackware 13.37 system. Quanta will start but the visual editor won't work. I tried reloading Trinity but both the Slackware commands won't work, for Slackware 12.2 or 13.1.I get this or a similar message:
--2011-12-28 16:05:30-- (try: 2) http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/trinity/slackware/13.1/ Connecting to mirror.its.uidaho.edu (mirror.its.uidaho.edu)|129.101.198.59|:80... failed: Connection timed out. Retrying.
etc. forever.
Here is the command string I am using (as root) wget -c -nd -r -l1 --no-parent -A.txz -A.txt http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/trinity/slackware/13.1/
I am out of ideas. any suggestions? Is there a problem with http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu?
All I want to do is run Quanta+ without rebooting a Slackware 12.2 partition.
John Culleton
On Wednesday 28 December 2011 22:11:28 John Culleton wrote:
I am out of ideas. any suggestions? Is there a problem with http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu?
yes. the repos are currently beeing rebuilt. should be back working again some time after jan, 1st, according to the procject leader.
werner
On Wednesday 28 December 2011 21:11:28 John Culleton wrote:
I am out of ideas. any suggestions? Is there a problem with http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu?
Yes. The mirrors are all down. The mirror system is being rebuilt. Timothy doesn't expect any access to be restored before Jan 1 2011.
Lisi
On Wednesday 28 December 2011 21:11:28 John Culleton wrote:
I am out of ideas. any suggestions? Is there a problem with http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu?
Yes. The mirrors are all down. The mirror system is being rebuilt. Timothy doesn't expect any access to be restored before Jan 1 2011.
The entire server at mirror.its.uidaho.edu (hosting multiple FOSS projects) was suddenly taken permanently offline by its owner, and the secondary TDE mirror was taken down silently without my knowledge.
The outage wasn't the TDE project's fault. ;-) Limited access is being restored even now (e.g. the source tarballs should be downloadable at this point), but the distribution-specific binary files are taking longer.
As mentioned earlier, only mirrored source and binary files were affected by the mirror failure. All other TDE services, including the project website, Etherpad, Wiki, and GIT were not affected.
Tim
Hi Tim,
What we can do to make it faster? It seems that i download 1M/sec It take long time to dl iso... If you can let me dl faster it would be great.
Sincerely,
Jean
Le 29 déc. 2011 07:45, "Timothy Pearson" kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net a écrit :
On Wednesday 28 December 2011 21:11:28 John Culleton wrote:
I am out of ideas. any suggestions? Is there a problem with http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu?
Yes. The mirrors are all down. The mirror system is being rebuilt. Timothy doesn't expect any access to be restored before Jan 1 2011.
The entire server at mirror.its.uidaho.edu (hosting multiple FOSS projects) was suddenly taken permanently offline by its owner, and the secondary TDE mirror was taken down silently without my knowledge.
The outage wasn't the TDE project's fault. ;-) Limited access is being restored even now (e.g. the source tarballs should be downloadable at this point), but the distribution-specific binary files are taking longer.
As mentioned earlier, only mirrored source and binary files were affected by the mirror failure. All other TDE services, including the project website, Etherpad, Wiki, and GIT were not affected.
Tim
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On 12/29/2011 01:45 AM, Timothy Pearson wrote:
On Wednesday 28 December 2011 21:11:28 John Culleton wrote:
I am out of ideas. any suggestions? Is there a problem with http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu?
Yes. The mirrors are all down. The mirror system is being rebuilt. Timothy doesn't expect any access to be restored before Jan 1 2011.
The entire server at mirror.its.uidaho.edu (hosting multiple FOSS projects) was suddenly taken permanently offline by its owner, and the secondary TDE mirror was taken down silently without my knowledge.
The outage wasn't the TDE project's fault. ;-) Limited access is being restored even now (e.g. the source tarballs should be downloadable at this point), but the distribution-specific binary files are taking longer.
As mentioned earlier, only mirrored source and binary files were affected by the mirror failure. All other TDE services, including the project website, Etherpad, Wiki, and GIT were not affected.
Tim
Would it be possible to setup a bit torrent on trinity packages?
That way if the mirrors are down there is still an avenue to get the files.
On Thursday 29 December 2011 06:45:15 Timothy Pearson wrote:
The entire server at mirror.its.uidaho.edu (hosting multiple FOSS projects) was suddenly taken permanently offline by its owner, and the secondary TDE mirror was taken down silently without my knowledge.
Do we yet have a more accurate estimate of when TDE will be available? My husband's computer has died, and I have talked him into Squeeze+TDE on his replacement machine.
I was hoping to be able to have his machine up and running for when he gets back home on Monday afternoon (i.e. Monday 2nd January a.m. in the States). Is that a realistic ambition? I could, of course, install Lenny and KDE 3.5.10, but that would be rather a pity at this stage. I could give him LXDE or xfce4 for a few days, but that would not be a popular decision. :-(
Lisi
On Saturday 31 December 2011 17:09:29 Lisi wrote:
I could, of course, install Lenny and KDE 3.5.10, but that would be rather a pity at this stage.
lenny is not a good option for a desktop, nowadays (everything just too outdated, browsers, etc.)
I could give him LXDE or xfce4 for a few days, but that would not be a popular decision. :-(
do that. this way you get directly a fallback for emergency lateron :) no problem to install trinity afterwards and set it as default then.
werner
On 12/31/2011 08:09 AM, Lisi wrote:
I could, of course, install Lenny and KDE 3.5.10, but that would be rather a pity at this stage. I could give him LXDE or xfce4 for a few days, but that would not be a popular decision. :-(
You could install from the Maverick Trinity CD, then upgrade him in a few days, or at your convenience. That's what I did on the machine I'm typing this on. The Maverick mirror seems to be partially working now. If you put /home on a separate partition, it's easy to upgrade without having to backup & restore users' files.
On Saturday 31 December 2011 16:55:43 Dan Youngquist wrote:
On 12/31/2011 08:09 AM, Lisi wrote:
I could, of course, install Lenny and KDE 3.5.10, but that would be rather a pity at this stage. I could give him LXDE or xfce4 for a few days, but that would not be a popular decision. :-(
You could install from the Maverick Trinity CD, then upgrade him in a few days, or at your convenience. That's what I did on the machine I'm typing this on. The Maverick mirror seems to be partially working now. If you put /home on a separate partition, it's easy to upgrade without having to backup & restore users' files.
Yes, the snag is that I and Ubuntu never seem to be able to live together. :-( Alan Pope tells me that i can't expect Ubuntu to love me until I first love it.
But that is certainly one of the possibilities. I shall have to give it serious consideration. I shall have to ask my husband which possibility he is prepared to consider.
Thanks for the information. It is a good sign that any of the mirrors is up.
Lisi
On 12/31/2011 09:13 AM, Lisi wrote:
Yes, the snag is that I and Ubuntu never seem to be able to live together. :-( Alan Pope tells me that i can't expect Ubuntu to love me until I first love it.
I'm not a big fan of Ubuntu either, but after checking out about everything else Trinity runs on, I've concluded it's my best option for the moment. I need a distro that will boot, install & run on a variety of machines without a lot of time & messing around setting up wireless, dual boot, basic configuration, etc. I even looked at Suse with its regularly-updated KDE 3.5.10; looks & works great, but it didn't pass the time & messing around test. Ubuntu "just works" on most everything.
On Saturday 31 December 2011 17:37:17 Dan Youngquist wrote:
Ubuntu "just works" on most everything.
Sadly, not for me. I always have problems. That is what I meant by its not liking me!!
Now I find that Debian Just Works for me, or, at worst, needs one very simple tweak.
Lisi
On Saturday 31 December 2011 01:27:20 pm Lisi wrote:
On Saturday 31 December 2011 17:37:17 Dan Youngquist wrote:
Ubuntu "just works" on most everything.
Sadly, not for me. I always have problems. That is what I meant by its not liking me!!
Now I find that Debian Just Works for me, or, at worst, needs one very simple tweak.
Lisi, have you considered David Hare's live CD, basically a tweaked Squeeze with a "minimal (to save space) Trinity Desktop (KDE 3.5.13)"?
http://exe-linux.fastfishwebsolutions.com/index.html
Andy
On Saturday 31 December 2011 19:10:04 Andy wrote:
On Saturday 31 December 2011 01:27:20 pm Lisi wrote:
On Saturday 31 December 2011 17:37:17 Dan Youngquist wrote:
Ubuntu "just works" on most everything.
Sadly, not for me. I always have problems. That is what I meant by its not liking me!!
Now I find that Debian Just Works for me, or, at worst, needs one very simple tweak.
Lisi, have you considered David Hare's live CD, basically a tweaked Squeeze with a "minimal (to save space) Trinity Desktop (KDE 3.5.13)"?
Thanks, Andy. No I hadn't. I clearly ought to have done so. Once I can, I must download it and add it to my arsenal. At present, I have no means of burning it to disk - so it wouldn't be much use as a Live CD!
Lisi
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011, Lisi wrote:
On Saturday 31 December 2011 19:10:04 Andy wrote:
On Saturday 31 December 2011 01:27:20 pm Lisi wrote:
On Saturday 31 December 2011 17:37:17 Dan Youngquist wrote:
Ubuntu "just works" on most everything.
Sadly, not for me. I always have problems. That is what I meant by its not liking me!!
Now I find that Debian Just Works for me, or, at worst, needs one very simple tweak.
Lisi, have you considered David Hare's live CD, basically a tweaked Squeeze with a "minimal (to save space) Trinity Desktop (KDE 3.5.13)"?
Thanks, Andy. No I hadn't. I clearly ought to have done so. Once I can, I must download it and add it to my arsenal. At present, I have no means of burning it to disk - so it wouldn't be much use as a Live CD!
my netbooks don't have a cd player. I installed Hare's system using a usb drive.
as I vaguely recall, I used unetbootin to install it on a usb-drive.
F.
On Saturday 31 December 2011 20:02:46 Felmon Davis wrote:
as I vaguely recall, I used unetbootin to install it on a usb-drive.
Thank you for the suggestion, and yes I installed on my netbook with a usb. But I would find a Live CD more useful for now as a Live CD - and I only have to wait until OpenOffice.org has finished installing, and I will be able to download and burn David's CD.
Lisi
On Saturday 31 December 2011 19:10:04 Andy wrote:
Lisi, have you considered David Hare's live CD
Am downloading now. Also the Wheezy version. Any comments on the Wheezy version? From what has been said so far, I get the impression that it may be a little rough around the edges.
I have also been given a tarball. I shall try that and look at the Live CDs before finally deciding. You are all being very helpful and generous.
Do we have any idea how long the mirrors may take still? Or is the question rather like asking "How long is a piece of string?"?
Lisi
On Saturday 31 December 2011 19:10:04 Andy wrote:
Lisi, have you considered David Hare's live CD
Am downloading now. Also the Wheezy version. Any comments on the Wheezy version? From what has been said so far, I get the impression that it may be a little rough around the edges.
Right now I'm a bit frustrated with Wheezy. Wheezy itself (not TDE on Wheezy, but the actual Debian distribution itself) is VERY rough around the edges. Certain TDE builds on armel fail for no apparent reason (with backtraces terminating inside core system libraries!), and the Wheezy chroots are locking up from time to time on i386 and amd64.
I think I will wait a while before trying to build Wheezy packages, as it is currently a waste of time. This is a very good example of why I have the policy of waiting for a distribution's final release before building TDE packages for it. ;-)
Tim
On Saturday 31 December 2011 23:42:15 Timothy Pearson wrote:
On Saturday 31 December 2011 19:10:04 Andy wrote:
Lisi, have you considered David Hare's live CD
Am downloading now. Also the Wheezy version. Any comments on the Wheezy version? From what has been said so far, I get the impression that it may be a little rough around the edges.
Right now I'm a bit frustrated with Wheezy. Wheezy itself (not TDE on Wheezy, but the actual Debian distribution itself) is VERY rough around the edges. Certain TDE builds on armel fail for no apparent reason (with backtraces terminating inside core system libraries!), and the Wheezy chroots are locking up from time to time on i386 and amd64.
Yes, I had already gained the impression that Wheezy was not going to be frozen anything like as soon as was originally predicted. And it certainly didn't look even almost stable (let alone Stable!) to me when I had a look. But I shall find it interesting looking at David's efforts.
Lisi
On Saturday 31 December 2011 19:10:04 Andy wrote:
Lisi, have you considered David Hare's live CD, basically a tweaked Squeeze with a "minimal (to save space) Trinity Desktop (KDE 3.5.13)"?
Have finished installing, and like what I see so far.
But I have hit a hitch. I want KMail. I do not want KDE4's KMail. If I try to install KMail I am offered loads of stuff I am sure is KDE4. How do I get the trinity version? I ran an aptitude search on mail and found nothing mentioning trinity. I then ran apt-cache search, with the same result. Help! What command will give me a Trinity version of KMail?
Thanks, Lisi
On 1 January 2012 09:30, Lisi lisi.reisz@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday 31 December 2011 19:10:04 Andy wrote:
Lisi, have you considered David Hare's live CD, basically a tweaked
Squeeze
with a "minimal (to save space) Trinity Desktop (KDE 3.5.13)"?
Have finished installing, and like what I see so far.
But I have hit a hitch. I want KMail. I do not want KDE4's KMail. If I try to install KMail I am offered loads of stuff I am sure is KDE4. How do I get the trinity version? I ran an aptitude search on mail and found nothing mentioning trinity. I then ran apt-cache search, with the same result. Help! What command will give me a Trinity version of KMail?
Thanks, Lisi
Glad to see it's working.
The package you are looking for is most likely called kontact-trinity. Kontact is the name of the whole PIM suite.
Good Luck!
Calvin
On Sunday 01 January 2012 15:19:21 Calvin Morrison wrote:
On 1 January 2012 09:30, Lisi lisi.reisz@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday 31 December 2011 19:10:04 Andy wrote:
Lisi, have you considered David Hare's live CD, basically a tweaked
Squeeze
with a "minimal (to save space) Trinity Desktop (KDE 3.5.13)"?
Have finished installing, and like what I see so far.
But I have hit a hitch. I want KMail. I do not want KDE4's KMail. If I try to install KMail I am offered loads of stuff I am sure is KDE4. How do I get the trinity version? I ran an aptitude search on mail and found nothing mentioning trinity. I then ran apt-cache search, with the same result. Help! What command will give me a Trinity version of KMail?
Thanks, Lisi
Glad to see it's working.
The package you are looking for is most likely called kontact-trinity. Kontact is the name of the whole PIM suite.
Thanks, Calvin. But no. :-( There is a kontact, but I would have said it is 4's kontact. Akonadi looms large!
I have even aptitude searched on trinity, and read my way through the whole list. I know that KMail exists on Trinity because I saw it on a previous occasion. But it doesn't seem to be there now.
I see that I jubilated too soon. There seems to be a problem still with two of the mirrors (squeeze/ main). I assume that that could explain the disappearance of KMail? (Or Kontact?)
Thanks, Lisi
Thanks, Calvin. But no. :-( There is a kontact, but I would have said it is 4's kontact. Akonadi looms large!
I have even aptitude searched on trinity, and read my way through the whole list. I know that KMail exists on Trinity because I saw it on a previous occasion. But it doesn't seem to be there now.
I see that I jubilated too soon. There seems to be a problem still with two of the mirrors (squeeze/ main). I assume that that could explain the disappearance of KMail? (Or Kontact?)
Thanks, Lisi
Lisi, I do know there was a kmail-trinity for 3.5.12, I don't know about 3.5.13. I'm putting together a new computer and haven't bothered updating anything lately.
BTW, David Hare recommends using apt-get. I'm more used to Synaptic, but whatever. :-)
We'll see when the mirrors come back.
Andy
On Sunday 01 January 2012 17:08:07 Andy wrote:
Lisi, I do know there was a kmail-trinity for 3.5.12, I don't know about 3.5.13.
of course there is:
werner@debian:~$ aptitude show kmail-trinity Paket: kmail-trinity Neu: ja Zustand: Installiert Automatisch installiert: ja Version: 4:3.5.13-0debian9+r1258263+pr10~squeeze
werner
On Sunday 01 January 2012 16:13:16 Werner Joss wrote:
On Sunday 01 January 2012 17:08:07 Andy wrote:
Lisi, I do know there was a kmail-trinity for 3.5.12, I don't know about 3.5.13.
of course there is:
werner@debian:~$ aptitude show kmail-trinity Paket: kmail-trinity Neu: ja Zustand: Installiert Automatisch installiert: ja Version: 4:3.5.13-0debian9+r1258263+pr10~squeeze
werner
Thanks, Werner. Yes, I thought it was inconceivable that there should not be. I just couldn't find it. But the absence of trinity/main certainly would certainly explain it.
I'll just wait patiently. My husband will be pleased to have his Icedove as it was. ;-)
Lisi
On Sunday 01 January 2012 16:08:07 Andy wrote:
BTW, David Hare recommends using apt-get. I'm more used to Synaptic, but whatever. :-)
Yes - that is why I used both!! But I am frazzled at the moment and I am much more at home with aptitude. In addition to apt-get, he includes both Synaptic and aptitude on his CD, so he is obviously prepared for some mavericks!!
I do hope that KMail will appear. That is a deal-breaker for me. :-(
Lisi
Lisi wrote:
On Sunday 01 January 2012 15:19:21 Calvin Morrison wrote:
On 1 January 2012 09:30, Lisilisi.reisz@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday 31 December 2011 19:10:04 Andy wrote:
Lisi, have you considered David Hare's live CD, basically a tweaked
Squeeze
with a "minimal (to save space) Trinity Desktop (KDE 3.5.13)"?
Have finished installing, and like what I see so far.
But I have hit a hitch. I want KMail. I do not want KDE4's KMail. If I try to install KMail I am offered loads of stuff I am sure is KDE4. How do I get the trinity version? I ran an aptitude search on mail and found nothing mentioning trinity. I then ran apt-cache search, with the same result. Help! What command will give me a Trinity version of KMail?
Thanks, Lisi
Glad to see it's working.
The package you are looking for is most likely called kontact-trinity. Kontact is the name of the whole PIM suite.
Thanks, Calvin. But no. :-( There is a kontact, but I would have said it is 4's kontact. Akonadi looms large!
I have even aptitude searched on trinity, and read my way through the whole list. I know that KMail exists on Trinity because I saw it on a previous occasion. But it doesn't seem to be there now.
I see that I jubilated too soon. There seems to be a problem still with two of the mirrors (squeeze/ main). I assume that that could explain the disappearance of KMail? (Or Kontact?)
I think going from KDE3 to KDE4 was a "Big Switch". I see this from reading old Mandriva mailing lists and the like.
One sequence of keywords that came up is: "KDE 3 no longer maintained" (with or without quotes).
So my thinking is that getting a working Kmail for KDE3 might be possible, but harder than getting a copy of Kmail for KDE4, since KDE4 is the current supported & development platform for KDE ...
Any comments?
Regards,
David
So my thinking is that getting a working Kmail for KDE3 might be possible, but harder than getting a copy of Kmail for KDE4, since KDE4 is the current supported & development platform for KDE ...
Any comments?
KMail from KDE4 is a valley of tears. But feel free to try it :-)
Nik
On Sunday 01 January 2012 17:47:11 Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
KMail from KDE4 is a valley of tears. But feel free to try it :-)
kmail from kde 4.4 to 4.6 was quite good, nice features like aggregation etc.etc. but later versions won't work anymore without akonadi/nepomuk , which is a mess. just look at the posts in mailingslists/forums about lost mails, duplicate mails, corrupt databases etc. not to mention the lack of documentation/advice where your actual configs/mails are or how to deal with problems. maybe 4.8 will solve many of these problems, but meanwhile many users have switched to thunderbird or elsewhere.
werner
On Sunday 01 January 2012 17:31:48 David Bernier wrote:
So my thinking is that getting a working Kmail for KDE3 might be possible, but harder than getting a copy of Kmail for KDE4, since KDE4 is the current supported & development platform for KDE ...
Any comments?
sure. just install kmail-trinity, which _is_ kmail for kde3. not hard at all. your post looks like you don't know what trinity is, nor ever have tried it, right ?
werner
Werner Joss wrote:
On Sunday 01 January 2012 17:31:48 David Bernier wrote:
So my thinking is that getting a working Kmail for KDE3 might be possible, but harder than getting a copy of Kmail for KDE4, since KDE4 is the current supported& development platform for KDE ...
Any comments?
sure. just install kmail-trinity, which _is_ kmail for kde3. not hard at all. your post looks like you don't know what trinity is, nor ever have tried it, right ?
werner
I realize that my message wasn't helpful, and I apologize for that.
Until recently, I used GNOME 2 with Fedora 14. I now use the Trinity Desktop Environment with Fedora 16.
David
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On Sunday 01 January 2012 21:34:10 David Bernier wrote:
Werner Joss wrote:
On Sunday 01 January 2012 17:31:48 David Bernier wrote:
So my thinking is that getting a working Kmail for KDE3 might be possible, but harder than getting a copy of Kmail for KDE4, since KDE4 is the current supported& development platform for KDE ...
Any comments?
sure. just install kmail-trinity, which _is_ kmail for kde3. not hard at all. your post looks like you don't know what trinity is, nor ever have tried it, right ?
werner
I realize that my message wasn't helpful, and I apologize for that.
no need for apologize :) it was just not clear what you meant..
werner
On Sunday 01 January 2012 11:31:48 am David Bernier wrote:
I think going from KDE3 to KDE4 was a "Big Switch". I see this from reading old Mandriva mailing lists and the like.
One sequence of keywords that came up is: "KDE 3 no longer maintained" (with or without quotes).
This is basically true, KDE 3 no longer maintained, but it has been forked and the replacement is Trinity (TDE), which is what this mailing list is about.
So my thinking is that getting a working Kmail for KDE3 might be possible, but harder than getting a copy of Kmail for KDE4, since KDE4 is the current supported & development platform for KDE ...
There is a temporary problem with some mirrors, making many files not available. When the problem is cleared Kmail should be available again for TDE.
OTOH, I hear that KDE4 is getting better all the time. I expect it will be perfectly usable about the time KDE 5 is released. :-)
Also, I understand that openSuse has a version of KDE3 that they are maintaining though I have not tried it.
Andy
On Sunday 01 January 2012 12:20:44 pm Andy wrote:
On Sunday 01 January 2012 11:31:48 am David Bernier wrote:
[putolin]
OTOH, I hear that KDE4 is getting better all the time. I expect it will be perfectly usable about the time KDE 5 is released. :-)
At which time it will be suffice to say it will be so different that....
Well here goes the whole KDE4 problem once again
On Sunday 01 January 2012 16:31:48 David Bernier wrote:
I think going from KDE3 to KDE4 was a "Big Switch". I see this from reading old Mandriva mailing lists and the like.
Which is why we are so grateful to Timothy and the other developers for Trinity.
One sequence of keywords that came up is: "KDE 3 no longer maintained" (with or without quotes).
It is not maintained by the "official" maintainers. But it is maintained and developed by Trinity and maintained by openSUSE.
So my thinking is that getting a working Kmail for KDE3 might be possible, but harder than getting a copy of Kmail for KDE4, since KDE4 is the current supported & development platform for KDE ...
Any comments?
Yes - the above makes no sense at all in this context, and your thinking is in error. The clue - a large one - is in the name of the list.
It is easier at this precise moment because there has been a major problem with Trinity's mirrors. But Timothy (with, I hope some help) is working hard and most of the mirrors are now up again. Unfortunately squeeze/main is not yet up, and it obviously contains trinity-KMail.
I was surprised not to find it because a) I was surprised that it hadn't been chosen for David's CD (tho' I can see why not), and even more surprised when I couldn't find it because my first impression was that all the mirrors were back up. I was wrong, but they will be soon. We were told"not before January 1st 2012" and almost all of them are now back up again.
So I shall soon be able to have my KMail. (Or rather my husband will - and I think he is quite pleased not to have to cross that bridge yet.)
I even wonder whether you are a troll. This thread had referred frequently to Trinity and never to KDE3. So where did you get the KDE3 from??
Lisi
Am Sonntag, 1. Januar 2012 schrieb Lisi:
So I shall soon be able to have my KMail. (Or rather my husband will - and I think he is quite pleased not to have to cross that bridge yet.)
have you looked at your working maschine (where you have kmail running) if kmail is still in the apt archiv folder? If yes, just copy that bunch to your husbands computer and install it :-)
# ls /var/cache/apt/archives/kmail* /var/cache/apt/archives/kmail-trinity_4%3a3.5.13-0debian9+r1258263+pr10~squeeze_i386.deb
nik
On Sunday 01 January 2012 18:03:56 Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
have you looked at your working maschine (where you have kmail running) if kmail is still in the apt archiv folder? If yes, just copy that bunch to your husbands computer and install it :-)
Thanks for the suggestion, but the machine I have running is actually running Lenny and KDE3.5.10. Oh - and I think taht I have run aptitude clean.
I won't have to wait long. And the rest of the install has gone well. I'd rather just be patient for a little longer. KMail is a change. (A switch from Icedove to KMail.) It doesn't have to be now!! Icedove is there, and I promised to restore it for him anyway so that he still has access to all the old emails he wants. (I am reinstalling because his desktop went suddenly into terminal decline, and this is a new-to-him machine.) I have Trinity, and that was the important bit.
Lisi
Hi Have you made a apt-cache search kmail? I can't verify but it could be kmail-kde3.
Jean Le 1 janv. 2012 15:29, "Lisi" lisi.reisz@gmail.com a écrit :
On Saturday 31 December 2011 19:10:04 Andy wrote:
Lisi, have you considered David Hare's live CD, basically a tweaked
Squeeze
with a "minimal (to save space) Trinity Desktop (KDE 3.5.13)"?
Have finished installing, and like what I see so far.
But I have hit a hitch. I want KMail. I do not want KDE4's KMail. If I try to install KMail I am offered loads of stuff I am sure is KDE4. How do I get the trinity version? I ran an aptitude search on mail and found nothing mentioning trinity. I then ran apt-cache search, with the same result. Help! What command will give me a Trinity version of KMail?
Thanks, Lisi
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On Monday 02 January 2012 07:39:13 Jean Milot wrote:
Have you made a apt-cache search kmail?
Yes. I have searched on every variation I could think of. As of yesterday, it was not there.
Lisi
On Monday 02 January 2012 07:56:46 Lisi wrote:
On Monday 02 January 2012 07:39:13 Jean Milot wrote:
Have you made a apt-cache search kmail?
Yes. I have searched on every variation I could think of. As of yesterday, it was not there.
kmail is back and installing while I type! \o/ \o/
Lisi
On Monday 02 January 2012 12:33:38 Lisi wrote:
On Monday 02 January 2012 07:56:46 Lisi wrote:
On Monday 02 January 2012 07:39:13 Jean Milot wrote:
Have you made a apt-cache search kmail?
Yes. I have searched on every variation I could think of. As of yesterday, it was not there.
kmail is back and installing while I type! \o/ \o/
No, it isn't. :-( I have just taken leave of my senses and installed Kmail from KDE4. Currently uninstalling, and hope that I get everything.
Lisi
Am Montag, 2. Januar 2012 schrieb Lisi:
On Monday 02 January 2012 07:56:46 Lisi wrote:
On Monday 02 January 2012 07:39:13 Jean Milot wrote:
Have you made a apt-cache search kmail?
Yes. I have searched on every variation I could think of. As of yesterday, it was not there.
kmail is back and installing while I type! \o/ \o/
Lisi
Lisi, I put all *trinity*-files from my /var/cache/apt/archive on http://www.samhain.at/trinity/ - it's 150MB, just what I installed, but it contains kmail. Upload will finish in 2 hours. Help yourself :-)
Nik
On Monday 02 January 2012 15:12:16 Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Montag, 2. Januar 2012 schrieb Lisi:
On Monday 02 January 2012 07:56:46 Lisi wrote:
On Monday 02 January 2012 07:39:13 Jean Milot wrote:
Have you made a apt-cache search kmail?
Yes. I have searched on every variation I could think of. As of yesterday, it was not there.
kmail is back and installing while I type! \o/ \o/
Lisi
Lisi, I put all *trinity*-files from my /var/cache/apt/archive on http://www.samhain.at/trinity/ - it's 150MB, just what I installed, but it contains kmail. Upload will finish in 2 hours. Help yourself :-)
Thanks, Nik. :-) That is very kind of you and much appreciated.
Lisi
On Monday 02 January 2012 15:12:16 Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Lisi, I put all *trinity*-files from my /var/cache/apt/archive on http://www.samhain.at/trinity/ - it's 150MB, just what I installed, but it contains kmail. Upload will finish in 2 hours. Help yourself :-)
Nik, I don't like to trespass further on your kindness, but I am getting nowhere. I have downloaded the .deb for kmail-trinity (I thought) and went to install it (dpkg -i), but apparently it is not the .deb, and needs a link to an archive.
Thanks, Lisi
Am Dienstag, 3. Januar 2012 schrieb Lisi:
On Monday 02 January 2012 15:12:16 Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Lisi, I put all *trinity*-files from my /var/cache/apt/archive on http://www.samhain.at/trinity/ - it's 150MB, just what I installed, but it contains kmail. Upload will finish in 2 hours. Help yourself :-)
Nik, I don't like to trespass further on your kindness, but I am getting nowhere. I have downloaded the .deb for kmail-trinity (I thought) and went to install it (dpkg -i), but apparently it is not the .deb, and needs a link to an archive.
could you check the md5sum of the deb you downloaded? On my side both - the deb from my webspace and the local copy - have the same md5sum.
dbcf407f4bac5abe541aea7599d3a99c kmail-trinity_4%3a3.5.13-0debian9+r1258263+pr10~squeeze_i386.deb dbcf407f4bac5abe541aea7599d3a99c /var/cache/apt/archives/kmail-trinity_4%3a3.5.13-0debian9+r1258263+pr10~squeeze_i386.deb
could you please post a copy of the dpkg error message?
on the other hand, kmail has a bunch of dependencies, which you have to download and install manually (but I think you know that already).
Nik
On Tuesday 03 January 2012 09:32:01 Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Dienstag, 3. Januar 2012 schrieb Lisi:
On Monday 02 January 2012 15:12:16 Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Lisi, I put all *trinity*-files from my /var/cache/apt/archive on http://www.samhain.at/trinity/ - it's 150MB, just what I installed, but it contains kmail. Upload will finish in 2 hours. Help yourself :-)
Nik, I don't like to trespass further on your kindness, but I am getting nowhere. I have downloaded the .deb for kmail-trinity (I thought) and went to install it (dpkg -i), but apparently it is not the .deb, and needs a link to an archive.
Sorry, Nik. :-( Mea maxima culpa. :-( PEBKAC. I really shouldn't try to do things when I am falling asleep.
I'm really so sorry to have troubled you and wasted your time. It works perfectly and I am about to install the dependencies, which as you say I was expecting.
I had downloaded the file 3 times (because a faulty download was an obvious possibility). I then used tab-complete. But I didn't complete the tiny bit that it needed at the end. It had numbered the downloads, and the number was missing.
could you check the md5sum of the deb you downloaded? On my side both - the deb from my webspace and the local copy - have the same md5sum.
dbcf407f4bac5abe541aea7599d3a99c kmail-trinity_4%3a3.5.13-0debian9+r1258263+pr10~squeeze_i386.deb
Perfect, of course.
Lisi
Depends: kdelibs4c2a-trinity (>= 4:3.5.8-1), libc6 (>= 2.2), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.8.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libgpg-error0 (>= 1.6-1), libgpgme11 (>= 1.1.2), libical0 (>= 0.31), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libidn11 (>= 1.13), libindex0-trinity (>= 4:3.5.7), libjpeg62 (>= 6b1), libkcal2b-trinity (>= 4:3.5.7), libkdepim1a-trinity (>= 4:3.5.7), libkleopatra1-trinity (>= 4:3.5.7), libkmime2-trinity (>= 4:3.5.7), libkpimidentities1-trinity (>= 4:3.5.7), libksieve0-trinity (>= 4:3.5.7), libktnef1-trinity (>= 4:3.5.7), libmimelib1c2a-trinity (>= 4:3.5.7), libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.8-d), libsm6, libstdc++6 (>= 4.4.0), libtqtinterface, libx11-6, libxcomposite1 (>= 1:0.3-1), libxfixes3 (>= 1:4.0.1), libxrender1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), perl, kdepim-kio-plugins-trinity, kdebase-kio-plugins-trinity, gpgsm, gnupg-agent, pinentry-qt | pinentry-x11
Plus the depends of the depends... that's why apt is so good, does it all for you. But not till the mirrors are up.
On 03/01/2012, Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp office@klepp.biz wrote:
Am Dienstag, 3. Januar 2012 schrieb Lisi:
On Monday 02 January 2012 15:12:16 Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Lisi, I put all *trinity*-files from my /var/cache/apt/archive on http://www.samhain.at/trinity/ - it's 150MB, just what I installed, but it contains kmail. Upload will finish in 2 hours. Help yourself :-)
Nik, I don't like to trespass further on your kindness, but I am getting nowhere. I have downloaded the .deb for kmail-trinity (I thought) and went to install it (dpkg -i), but apparently it is not the .deb, and needs a link to an archive.
could you check the md5sum of the deb you downloaded? On my side both - the deb from my webspace and the local copy - have the same md5sum.
dbcf407f4bac5abe541aea7599d3a99c kmail-trinity_4%3a3.5.13-0debian9+r1258263+pr10~squeeze_i386.deb dbcf407f4bac5abe541aea7599d3a99c /var/cache/apt/archives/kmail-trinity_4%3a3.5.13-0debian9+r1258263+pr10~squeeze_i386.deb
could you please post a copy of the dpkg error message?
on the other hand, kmail has a bunch of dependencies, which you have to download and install manually (but I think you know that already).
Nik
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On Tuesday 03 January 2012 11:04:41 David Hare wrote:
Plus the depends of the depends... that's why apt is so good, does it all for you. But not till the mirrors are up.
Yes, I thought that it would be good for my soul or something (or perhaps I am just a masochist??), so I tried. The problem was the ones that I could find neither in Nik's repository nor in the main repositories.
For the moment, I am in a dead end. But it was a fun game while it lasted. ;-)
Lisi
Yes, I thought that it would be good for my soul or something (or perhaps I am just a masochist??), so I tried. The problem was the ones that I could find neither in Nik's repository nor in the main repositories.
For the moment, I am in a dead end. But it was a fun game while it lasted. ;-)
Lisi
which do you need?
nik
Am Dienstag, 3. Januar 2012 schrieb Lisi:
On Tuesday 03 January 2012 11:04:41 David Hare wrote:
Plus the depends of the depends... that's why apt is so good, does it all for you. But not till the mirrors are up.
Yes, I thought that it would be good for my soul or something (or perhaps I am just a masochist??), so I tried. The problem was the ones that I could find neither in Nik's repository nor in the main repositories.
For the moment, I am in a dead end. But it was a fun game while it lasted. ;-)
I'm uploading all of my /var/cache/apt/archives, so you may try to download the missing stuff in an hour or so.
Nik
On Tuesday 03 January 2012 16:09:44 Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Dienstag, 3. Januar 2012 schrieb Lisi:
On Tuesday 03 January 2012 11:04:41 David Hare wrote:
Plus the depends of the depends... that's why apt is so good, does it all for you. But not till the mirrors are up.
Yes, I thought that it would be good for my soul or something (or perhaps I am just a masochist??), so I tried. The problem was the ones that I could find neither in Nik's repository nor in the main repositories.
For the moment, I am in a dead end. But it was a fun game while it lasted. ;-)
I'm uploading all of my /var/cache/apt/archives, so you may try to download the missing stuff in an hour or so.
\o/ Thank you, Nik. :-)
I take it that you no longer need a reply to the email before this one??? It appears overtaken by events!!
Lisi
On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 06:35:40 +0000 Lisi lisi.reisz@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Lisi,
doesn't expect any access to be restored before Jan 1 2011.
2011? :-))
On Thursday 29 December 2011 11:32:50 Brad Rogers wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 06:35:40 +0000 Lisi lisi.reisz@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Lisi,
doesn't expect any access to be restored before Jan 1 2011.
2011? :-))
Yes. :-/ I met H G Wells yesterday. At least, that is my excuse and I'm sticking to it! ;-)
Lucky we are not all sleepwalking, as I appear to be doing.
Lisi
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